A rare extremist in NZ

December 18th, 2010 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Michael Field in the Dom Post reports:

Muslims at New Zealand’s largest mosque claim its Pakistani imam taught jihad or holy war and preached on the need for men to make as many babies as they could with burqa-wearing women.

Muslims involved claim imam or mufti Abdul Qadir Siddiquei preached jihad against members of Islamic sects he did not approve of and ran a madrasa or school for boys on jihad at the mosque.

New Zealand is very fortunate that the NZ Muslim community has generally avoided the extremists that Europe (and even Australia) has.

This iman sounds like he is very much one of thopse hate filled extremists. What is pleasing, is that it is other members of the Muslim community who have take action against him. The moderates are the best solution to the extremists.

The allegations of preaching jihad and of the madrasa emerged in speeches and pamphlets as around 200 Muslims gathered in thewomen’s room at Auckland’s Jamia Musjid Al-Mustafa mosque on Thursday night.

Police intervened amid tense scenes as members fronted up to each other and at times wrestled and abused one another.

The extremist claims were based on four YouTube video recordings of speeches that are now removed from the website.

The mosque, which has more than a 1000 followers, has united various Sunni sects and Pakistani and Indo-Fijian Muslims, who combined to pay for the building.

Also known as the South Auckland Islamic Centre, it is the most influential mainstream mosque in New Zealand and Fiji.

However, many followers now refuse to attend there and one leading member, Abdul Abbas Karim, originally of Fiji, confirmed he had yesterday filed a police claim of assault and threatening to kill against members following Thursday’s meeting.

Disputes should not involve death threats.

Mufti Siddiquei had applied for New Zealand residency, supported by the mosque, though that support had been withdrawn and he now has to leave the country.

Good.

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65 Responses to “A rare extremist in NZ”

  1. MIKMS (166 comments) says:

    Aside from the religious perspective, Why someone would start behaving in such a manner to the people who are supporting him in a country he was trying to become a resident in is somewhat strange? – it would have been interesting if the person in question had attempted to continue his residency application and how DIA would have handled it

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  2. Viking2 (11,338 comments) says:

    Will he take the rest of his ilk with him do you think?
    No, I don’t suppose so.

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  3. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    “A rare extremist in NZ” ?

    I have to take exception here DPF.

    Donna Awatere Huata?

    Hone Harawira?

    Tama Iti?

    Time for lunch. I’ll come back later. :)

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  4. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Only a matter of time untill this started happening in NZ. Welcome to what’s happening in Europe, poor little insular NZ thinks this is out of the ordinary.

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  5. dime (9,788 comments) says:

    im surprised more maoris havent converted to islam. a matter of time me thinks. will be hilarious when they do.. walking around with the long beards etc

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  6. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    Imama Tama Iti.

    Hone Hejaz Harawira.

    The mind boggles. :)

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  7. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    Still like Uncle Bully, they should have no problem when it comes to breaking in the 9 year olds. :)

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  8. Mark (497 comments) says:

    For maoris I think the problem is you can’t use drugs or alcohol. Not a big selling point.

    However it’s nice to see that members of a religious congregation throw out a bigot and a hate monger.

    All poeople should be free to worship and not be attacked by other people.

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  9. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Maori can’t convert to Islam, real muslims don’t drink.

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  10. Komata (1,157 comments) says:

    Dime

    Not so – it’s already happening and my niece (Maori and a practicing Muslim) very proudly told me that they are s-specifically targeting Maori in prisons and that there are already more than 2000 adherents from that source – both in prison and ‘free’. Be concerned old chap, be very concerned, especially when the new converts team up back with their gangland mates after they are released. The ‘rent a riot’ people have seen NOTHING yet.

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  11. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    “Maori can’t convert to Islam, real muslims don’t drink.”

    That must explain why there are fuckall Maori Mormons I guess. :)

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  12. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    Maori are notoriously superstitious. This would not sit well with the Islamic faith.

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  13. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Christian churches need to open more sports shooting and hunting clubs. You know, some target practice with authorised instructors at the Church picnic to remind NZ of it’s strong Protestan/Catholic heritage.

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  14. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    I believe the Islamic faith ain’t too fussed on graven images either Fale.

    No more belly-rubbing, paua-eyed uglies outside the marae/mosque. :)

    Bugger!

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  15. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    Still a fair few of the lovely wahines would sure look more attractive in the burqua methinks. :)

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  16. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Its all fun and games until Otara comes raiding into Howick on the basis of jihad.

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  17. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Has NZ had any all Muslim gangrapes of white girls like they do in OZ yet?

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  18. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Ah, the barbaric religion of peace for all to see.
    This crazy terrorist is just another proponent of the global caliphate.

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  19. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    Nah, just gangrapes by the local mongrels

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  20. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    Only if the Murri’s involved had already converted to Islam immigant. :)

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  21. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Matt 26:52b

    All who draw the sword will die by the sword.

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  22. immigant (950 comments) says:

    All Maori bashing aside, Radical Islam is probably a bigger threat to the NZ way of life. Maori are more or less welcoming of all cultures because they have a lot of values that are essentialy Christian, leading to a degree of integration and assimilation into the greater NZ culture.

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  23. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    “All Maori bashing aside”.

    Spoilsport. I was just trying to waken Grumpy from his slumbers.

    He just amuses me so much I miss him when he isn’t here. :)

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  24. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    I was just trying to waken Grumpy from his slumbers.

    All in vain. He’s been spotted queueing with the whanau outside WINZ offices since mid morning. Freebies or something like that. :-)

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  25. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    Bet he was whining and whinging to his carved stick too. :)

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  26. LabourDoesntWork (287 comments) says:

    DF, New Zealand has thusfar avoided extremists only because Muslims are such a small percentage of the population. The extremists are no doubt there: it’s when Muslims become a larger number that they start throwing their weight around. Look at Europe: the greater the number the more those countries start to resemble the Islamic states they or their relatives originally came from. They don’t assimilate but form closed, Sharia law-observing communities. This is not the case in New Zealand but in Europe where the numbers of immigrants are so large.

    People should understand that Islam’s purpose for existing is to dominate the world, not to peaceably coexist with other faiths, equal under law. (Look at every Islamic country.) Its “holy book” describes a god – and a prophet – that is happy for people to be forced into submission. And Sharia law applies to NON-Muslims too! Because it’s a total system, not merely a set of beliefs.

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  27. Stuart Mackey (337 comments) says:

    immigant (64) Says:
    December 18th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Matt 26:52b

    All who draw the sword will die by the sword.
    ***********************************************

    Correction. Those who draw the sword will die by the gun.

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  28. Stuart Mackey (337 comments) says:

    DPF: I think you will find that ‘extremist’ views (and thats a relative thing in Islam) are solidly present in NZ, but for whatever reason the haven’t become ‘active’ as they have in Europe/UK. As I hear it such views are solidly present in Auckland and the Hawkes Bay area.

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  29. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    “People should understand that Islam’s purpose for existing is to dominate the world, not to peaceably coexist with other faiths, equal under law.”

    Most enlightening LDW.

    It would seem that Islam will have a fertile field to sow the seed of jihad in NZ as we have had many successive governments (including this one) that have tossed aside the “equal under law” clause when it means they can hold on to power at the expense of the people.

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  30. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    As a gun toting manic. I always loved it Stuart. :)

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  31. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    they don’t have the no’s here yet. The wahhabists aren’t in complete control of any major mosques either thought they tried in CCH but Barnett (bless his soul) helped the community push back.
    however the wahabbists money men are active in govt/business and academic level and the way “dealer” key works we should be wary.

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  32. Viking2 (11,338 comments) says:

    Apart from its obvious benefits for the rest of us this seams like the ideal deterent.

    Danish politician calls for topless women to scare away immigrants

    * From: news.com.au
    * December 15, 2010 10:16AM

    topless sunbathing

    Topless women should be shown in promotional videos, Danish politician says. Picture: Marc McCormac

    FOOTAGE of women sunbathing topless at Danish beaches should be included in tourism videos to scare away extremists, politician says.

    Peter Skaarup, foreign policy spokesman for the Danish People’s Party, is calling on the government to consider the idea, the UK’s Telegraph reported.

    He says that including the shots of sunbathing women in a video screened as part of an immigration test would emphasise the point that Demnark is an open, free society.

    “Topless bathing probably isn’t a common sight on Pakistani beaches, but in Denmark it is still considered quite normal,” Mr Skaarup said.
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel/news/topless-women-to-scare-away-immigrants/story-e6freqwo-1225971413088

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  33. TCrwdb (246 comments) says:

    Maori are notoriously superstitious. This would not sit well with the Islamic faith.

    Wrong, islam and superstition co-exist co-exist quite comfortably amongst the 240 million muslims in Indonesia.

    A rare extremist in NZ

    DPF, are you being willfully ignorant or simply naive??

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  34. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    DPF, are you being willfully ignorant or simply naive?
    I suspect both.

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  35. Viking2 (11,338 comments) says:

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/lifestyle/is-wikileaks-inspired-tampon-ad-the-worst-ever/story-e6frer4f-1225972923052

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  36. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    V2. Heh. :)

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  37. backster (2,136 comments) says:

    The European experience seems to be that while the initial muslim immigrants may be law abiding the following generation born in NZ will become radicalised by the type of Iman evident in this case and will commit terroist acts irrespective of their parents wishes or example..and yes expect the type of muslim gang offending long evident in Sydney. Our Suppression orders are so repressive that the people will long remain unaware of the dangers.

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  38. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Comments regarding an excellent read on this topic: http://blogcritics.org/books/article/book-review-america-alone-the-end/

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  39. reid (16,179 comments) says:

    the following generation born in NZ will become radicalised by the type of Iman evident in this case and will commit terroist acts irrespective of their parents wishes or example..

    backster correct me if I’m wrong but organised terrorists couldn’t conduct operations here without getting wiped out and that’s because the population is just the right size and dispersion such as would prevent any group to hide themselves for any length of time without being discovered.

    There is no seething mass of humanity anywhere in this country within which those terrorists could melt away.

    I fully expect we’ll get the odd psychopath and of course I wouldn’t be at all surprised if more than a few senior terrorist fugitives are already safely secreted under deep cover here but they’re hiding out not operating, if indeed they’re here at all. But that’s it really.

    We will never have Sharia law, it will never become what Europe has become. The thing that the Europeans have to start asking is why their own political leaders are facilitating this. Until they ask that it won’t change and time is running out over there. That won’t happen here, ever, because the population will see it coming before it even gets up steam.

    There is a message in DPFs heading too: this is a rare extremist…

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  40. LabourDoesntWork (287 comments) says:

    Muhammed himself was an extremely superstitious person. The hadith literature especially are full of all kinds of odd practises advocated by Muhammed. For example, Bukhari 9.124: Narrated Abu Qatada:

    The Prophet said, “A good dream is from Allah, and a bad dream is from Satan. So whoever has seen (in a dream) something he dislike, then he should spit without saliva, thrice on his left and seek refuge with Allah from Satan, for it will not harm him, and Satan cannot appear in my shape.”

    Always things in threes in Islam… indeed it’s been theorised Muhammed suffered from OCD.
    FYI, much more info on this at answering-islam.org.

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  41. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    So he had nothing to say about a wet dream then.

    What do you expect?

    Accursed false prophet.

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  42. reid (16,179 comments) says:

    Perhaps you could summarise your point for us, LabourDoesntWork?

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  43. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    He’s only saying in private what Keith Locke says in public.

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  44. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    LDW, as with the Bible, the Koran was begun decades after Muhammed’s death, so we can take it as read that it is not a literal exposition of the Prophet’s (peace be upon Him) teachings. Bear in mind that he invented Islam as a counter to Paganism. He also reportedly changed his thinking in view of circumstances, an ability sadly lacking in any religion that advocates slavish adherence to 2000 year old creative fiction.

    But I would say this: if Islam becomes dominant here, it will be because of the power of its teachings and the spiritual void even in the lives of many western Christians.

    And/or because rising sea levels makes us a refuge for many tens of millions of refugees, mainly Muslim.

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  45. reid (16,179 comments) says:

    Why do we conflate religion and politics when like water and oil they don’t mix or cross over, I wonder.

    Real religion, as opposed to that which is used as a mere political vehicle, has never tried to be political.

    Sometimes, people like terrorists and those who fight them choose to use the name of it as it suits the cause. This doesn’t make it so whenever it’s used. The mere context of its use if called upon to justify war invalidates its call unless such use is for neutral humanitarian available equally to both sides. True religion no matter what caste always = peace. It’s always a tell when it’s not used for that by mankind.

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  46. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    But I would say this: if Islam becomes dominant here, it will be because of the power of its teachings and the spiritual void

    You mean intellectual void. There is no such thing as a ‘spirit’ or ‘spirituality’ – there’s no inherent need for humans to believe crap.

    If Islam takes off, it’s because people have not been brought up to think logically.

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  47. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    If Islam takes off, it’s because people have not been brought up to think logically.

    Reid, all religion is political ideology. To think anything else is to practice the art of self-deception – and you are on the right site for that!

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  48. TCrwdb (246 comments) says:

    There is no such thing as a ‘spirit’ or ‘spirituality’ – there’s no inherent need for humans to believe crap.

    Between Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, other assorted eastern religions, animism, Marxism, Gaea-ism (religion of AGW) and Nihilism almost everyone believes something.

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  49. LabourDoesntWork (287 comments) says:

    Perhaps you could summarise your point for us, LabourDoesntWork?

    Just following up on from the earlier discussion about superstition vis-a-vis Maori and Islam.

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  50. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Extremists were running youth camps here in Clark’s time..They are not really extremists they are just following their evil book.
    The Germans said the first generation was bad..they thought the second generation would be better but the second and third generations were worse…all they produce is an enormous need for social workers..Go to any mall and see the black eyes , the straggling neglected kids.

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  51. Gwilly (156 comments) says:

    There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

    We need to follow the Singaporeans who record all Immam speeches at mosques.

    Check out: http://www.jihadwatch.org

    Deport the lot of them, their religion is not compatable with western culture and they only cause trouble where ever they go. Just look what has happened in Europe, but its too late for them now.

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  52. Bahitairv (4 comments) says:

    To be honest, this is the handy work of the NZSIS because its world cup 2011 Rugby next year. So they want all those Islamic Sheikhs in living NZ to fall inline or they’ll out of NZ for good. Ie canceling their visas.

    Also one other thing I wanted to point is that Islam is the most completed religion in the World and in the Afterlife, since you kuffur don’t want to believe in the Hereafter anyway. And cursing Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) won’t get you anywhere with the Muslims except that the dust will never settled between us…

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  53. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    The most completed religion..what a joke..it is not a religion; it is a cult. It plagiarized other religions and added in mass murder gang rape , mutilation and every other kind of madness..People who convert say they like it because..”they no longer have to think..” As Winston Churchill said it produces a terrible lethargy in its adherents..and millions of unhappy women.

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  54. kowtow (8,114 comments) says:

    Folks read this article carefully.
    Not so rare.

    ” members fronted up to each other…..”

    That means the imam had support from the attendees.

    “many refuse to attend….”

    That means that many still do.

    This is a typical MSM article lulling the ignorentia into a false sense of hope and peace about the threat amongst our immigrant community, the same threat that exists in the US ,Europe and Oz.

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  55. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    A gem from Luc: But I would say this: if Islam becomes dominant here, it will be because of the power of its teachings and the spiritual void even in the lives of many western Christians.

    You useless fool.

    The vile Islam, similar to other religions, preys on the stupidity and gullibility of the uneducated masses.
    Surely, when you use the word power you must be talking about suicide bombers and other criminal acts the “religion of peace” actively promotes to intimidate, maim and kill opponents.

    Power of its teachings? Such as blind obedience to non-sense, treating women like chattels, curtailing progress, promoting intelectual misery?

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  56. Pete George (23,420 comments) says:

    if Islam becomes dominant here

    I don’t see that happening, too much modern knowledge and practice. It was easy to convert native populations where less sophisticated deism and ignorance was preyed on, but it’s unlikely modern populations would go backwards.

    I think we are moving more towards an era of private beliefs, where people can chose to worship anything of their choosing or not, where there is little institutional pressure or peer pressure to conform to strictly dictated religions. As it should be.

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  57. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Between Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, other assorted eastern religions, animism, Marxism, Gaea-ism (religion of AGW) and Nihilism almost everyone believes something.

    Quite true, but it’s not necessary. People in those religions are motivated by politics or fear, or just believe because of sheer ignorance.

    Anyway, sorry to have got off topic. Islam is a truly horrible and backward religion. They’re all crap, but Islam is particularly nasty and also quite virulent.

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  58. DeepScience (74 comments) says:

    “DPF: I think you will find that ‘extremist’ views (and thats a relative thing in Islam) are solidly present in NZ, but for whatever reason the haven’t become ‘active’ as they have in Europe/UK. As I hear it such views are solidly present in Auckland and the Hawkes Bay area”

    Stuart quoted for truth.

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  59. vand (4 comments) says:

    4 videos disappear from U Tube and a Muslim says nothing to see move along. I dont think so. What should worry NZers is Islam will gain real influence with radical Maori for a move to independence/sovereignty – In some countries (eg Phillippines/Thailand) Muslim groups fight for “independence” claiming its nationalistic not religious in motivation – be warned-

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  60. vand (4 comments) says:

    “and cursing Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) won’t get you anywhere with the Muslims except that the dust will never settled between us”…
    Bahitairv (2)
    No, even criticising in a logical way Mohammad’s behaviour is enough to create the threat you so brazenly make- perhaps you could give an example of a particular prophecy in the Quran that has been fulfilled to back up your assumed status for Mohammad

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  61. Rich Prick (1,648 comments) says:

    You do have to wonder, I had an ethnic muslim type taxi driver lecture me on the sins of alcohol, yes I had had a few, then wondered what he was doing driving a cab at 1.00am. I bid him farewell by telling him that at least my goats were safe from being profited by. I doubt he got it. But he was a whack-job.

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  62. adze (2,057 comments) says:

    Related:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4475135/Muslims-with-war-records-watched

    It’s particularly galling that “Hammam”, if he did fight in Bosnia et al, “refuses to work” while collecting State benefits!

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  63. RRM (9,762 comments) says:

    New Zealand is very fortunate that the NZ Muslim community has generally avoided the extremists that Europe (and even Australia) has.

    What a disgusting apologist for Islam.
    Everyone knows they are all terrorists, every last one of them. If you’re not with us, you’re with them.
    You traitor. :-P

    (No wonder Baiter thinks this is a left wing blog.)

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  64. LiberalismIsASin (288 comments) says:

    Trouble is that a lot of these guys show a moderate face to the world, but in private they are anything but. An interesting book I just read about this very subject is Londonistan, by Melanie Phillips I think. Like she says the litmus test for these moderates is – ask them what they think about the jews. Generally Islamic terrorism is treated in the west as a response to the Israel-Palestine situation, but this is naive. Islam hates Israel because it hates the Jews. Not the other way around. And like Britain NZ has the same issues that make it ripe for takeover – a dedication to mindless multiculturalism while simultaneously disdaining and rejecting its own cultural heritage.

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  65. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Egyptian Christians living here say that NZ will be an absolute push over for the muslims..Just check out your local maternity hospital..They are already calling all the shots there.

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