An outright fib
December 12th, 2010 at 10:46 am by David FarrarMatt McCarten writes in the HoS:
John Key, a successful corporate speculator himself, has announced that if the National Party is elected again then he’d see that as a mandate for selling off the rest of our public assets.
Except he has said no such thing.
December 12th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Another lying leftie, surprise suprise.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 10:57 am
I wish McCarten was telling the truth.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 11:11 am
There is one thing about the TPP which does concern me:
The intellectual property rights he’s referring to include dealing to Pharmac. In other words, if the US gets its way, then courtesy of the Big Pharma Washington lobbyists, Pharmac won’t be able to buy and distribute generic drugs anymore but instead the nation will become beholden to whatever price the drug companies want to charge us.
I’m not too sure that’s going to be a winning policy for the electorate and quite frankly if that’s going to be part of the deal, I’d prefer we walk away from it.
Re: Matt’s comment on Key, as Mark says, big surprise, another lying lefty. Why don’t conservatives do exactly the same thing as they do? They do it of course because its basic propaganda. Plant the seed, cultivate it in the minds of the reef-fish by various comments over time then by election time they’ve gained a few more thousand votes. This happens all the time in many areas but the only way to counter it, given journalists refuse to do their job, is to use the same tactics. There are plenty of propaganda talking points we could come out with, re: the left. I do get a bit sick of seeing them doing it all the time, while we never do anything in response.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Hope you are reading this Matt. Your reply will be interesting as will the comments from the commies
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 11:28 am
And another boring commenter, making another inane comment, claiming that an event confirms their own personal bias.
Might head over to The Standard, where I can watch their commenters write “Another greedy righty, surprise surprise”
Alternatively, I might stick pins in my eyes.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 11:42 am
“Alternatively, I might stick pins in my eyes.”
You probably only need to stick a pin in one eye!
McCarten has often interviewed his own typewriter. He now also seems to have a computer terminal illness.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 11:42 am
So you don’t agree Matt was lying then J Mex?
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 11:44 am
The left think the cack handed privatisation programme of the 1980s and 1990s give them a political rallying cry should John Key even sniff at such a programme. But a programme of selling to mum and dad investors with some going to corporate investors such as pension funds is quite saleable. I just regret the “trade” sales to corporate raiders by Bolger and Douglas and Prebble while good for returns (though that is now debatable) ruined the politics of privatisation for nearly 15 years. The people responsible including the Treasury Officials who designed it should be strung up.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Text book cr*p from the left. Throw as much sh*t as possible at the National Government, and hope some of it sticks. Pete and Trevor would be proud.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
“…the “trade” sales to corporate raiders by Bolger and Douglas and Prebble…”
The prices they got weren’t the best due to the ’87 crash. However Douglas had a limited window of opportunity before those in his own party woke up to it and Lange’s cup of tea and the effects thereof indicates just how narrow that window was.
Those of us who understand economics know that if he hadn’t done it NZ would have been in an extremely parlous state now. The fact is if he’d been allowed to continue at the time especially with the flat tax, NZ would now be much closer to Australia than it is. Thank goodness Richardson picked it up where he left off, but the delay was still regrettable as were the tentative steps she was forced to adopt due to the failure of the electorate to understand the principals behind the policies.
The fact the left not only continue to portray it but appear also to believe they were the wrong policies shows just how mental they really are, given that just as Lange announced the cup of tea, the other western nations were just beginning to implement what he, Thatcher and Reagan has began and the fact they continued to do so throughout the nineties while we took small tentative steps stopping and starting, is why we continued to fall further and further behind in the OECD rankings.
Of course lefties don’t get this because they don’t understand anything except Keynesian big-govt economics which involves govt ownerships of assets, which was what bought us to the frozen economic state we had in the late seventies, which was exacerbated by the oil shock. Lefties however believe that the oil shock was the root cause of that state, it wasn’t, just as today the GFC was not caused by Hayeckian economics but by regulatory failure.
Lefties. Fuck they’re mental.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
There is one point about the TPP that’s worth reflecting however.
The intellectual properties rights issue is in part coming from the Washington Big-pharma lobbyists who are demanding that as part of the price of signing up, NZ foregos Pharmac. As it stands right now, if we sign up to the TPP, we will be prevented from buying generic drugs. Instead we’ll be forced to pay whatever price the Big-pharma companies demand.
Is this a good thing, or a bad thing?
You’ll recall during Liarbore’s last term of office, Annette King was on the verge of putting all the health stores out of business, again at the insistence of big-pharma. I was quite surprised Liarbore was looking to go along with that, but then I remembered that points of principle have never been Liarbore’s strong point. I only mention it to illustrate the power of that lobby group, who don’t stop and constantly attack on a number of different fronts. Even though I’m against state ownership, if there was one industry I’d like to see the govt setup in, it’s that one, expecially given the baby-boomers are about to send our drugs bill through the roof for the next twenty years.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
..There is one point about the TPP that’s worth reflecting however.
The intellectual properties rights issue is in part coming from the Washington Big-pharma lobbyists who are demanding that as part of the price of signing up, NZ foregos Pharmac. As it stands right now, if we sign up to the TPP, we will be prevented from buying generic drugs. Instead we’ll be forced to pay whatever price the Big-pharma companies demand.
Is this a good thing, or a bad thing?
You’ll recall during Liarbore’s last term of office, Annette King was on the verge of putting all the health stores out of business, again at the insistence of big-pharma. I was quite surprised Liarbore was looking to go along with that, but then I remembered that points of principle have never been Liarbore’s strong point. I only mention it to illustrate the power of that lobby group, who don’t stop and constantly attack on a number of different fronts. Even though I’m against state ownership, if there was one industry I’d like to see the govt setup in, it’s that one, expecially given the baby-boomers are about to send our drugs bill through the roof for the next twenty years.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Sure McCarten has misrepresented Keys position, and that is cowardly, but the real problem is that Key is a man so bereft of political principle himself he lets cowards like McCarten intimidate him. Who is really the better man?
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
McCarten raised my hopes only for DPF to dash them. A shame it isn’t true.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
reid uses phrases of indisputability such as “those of us who understand”, “the fact” and “of course.”
Not everything in life can be painted in black and white. We come here to express our opinions but few of us would be qualified to proclaim holy writ.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
We know McCacacacacacarten is lying. Key lacks the testicles to do it!
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
As Key seems to get away with saying (or at least implying) one thing to one group of people and something different to this next I think Matt is saying what some people think Key said.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
At least a full two hours passed before someone descended to a “let’s sneer at McCarten’s stammer” line.
I am no fan of Matt or his views, but that is the pits.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
“…few of us would be qualified to proclaim holy writ…”
Rodders if you think I’m factually incorrect feel free to point out where.
“Those of us who understand…” is a phrase I use fairly frequently and with respect to this, it does appear to me there aren’t that many who do understand, given the way the electorate, media and lefty politicians all behave.
“…I think Matt is saying what some people think Key said.”
Inky I think I heard some people say that Matt McCarten once said that he has absolute contempt for the members of his Unite union, calling them “the best examples of useful idiots I have ever seen.” I’m pretty sure that’s what I heard them say. It’s too bad I don’t have a column in a national newspaper, isn’t it.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Thanks for clarifing that reid. I am surprised that you have much time to contribute here, though as I might have expected that there would be hordes of people clammering to your door requesting the benefit of your wisdom.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Why don’t you just concern yourself with the argument I was making Rodders, rather than trying to pretend that you understand whether or not I rate myself by inferring that from the style that I use. After all, I don’t know you, and you, evidently, don’t know me, at all.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
I don’t disagree with the substance of what you said reid, it was the tone that those who might hold a different persepective are “mental”
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Oh, right. Well, they are, aren’t they? Seriously, I first started using that word awhile back as a joke but it does seem to come up a lot whenever I’m talking about whatever it is the left proclaim they believe in. I’m not sure why that is, it just does.
I hope they [lefties] don’t take it as a sign of disrespect, it’s not meant to be. (More a statement of fact, really.)
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
reid, if I could give an example. One of my lecturers (many years ago now) was Susan St John. I didn’t always agree with her analysis then (or now) but I wouldn’t question her intellect or sanity, just because I hold a different world view.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Reid,
Vote:Your thoughtful knowledgable comments at 12.15 were absolutely spot on. Then you lessened yourself by engaging with a dickwit who calls himself Rodders.
December 12th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Coming from someone like Tauhei Notts, I take the epithet “dickwit” as a compliment.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
“One of my lecturers (many years ago now) was Susan St John. I didn’t always agree with her analysis then (or now) but I wouldn’t question her intellect or sanity”
Yes I rate her as well Rodders but personally I do enjoy questioning the intellect or sanity of your average lefty and also I don’t particularly mind stereotypes because they’re useful analytical tools so I really don’t care if I say something that implies every single lefty under the sun is of the same ilk.
When and if lefties stop pretending that your average conservative is greedy, selfish, exploitative and frankly downright evil, then I might reconsider my position. Until then I’ll simply mirror their own behaviour and reflect it right back at them.
Thanks for your kind comment Tauhei, most appreciated. Perhaps this will be my final word on this, but I do respect your views Rodders, in case there’s any question of that.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Cheers, bud.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
So Matt is a liar?
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
No.
Do you agree that comments like Mark’s “Another lying leftie, surprise suprise” comment is a complete waste of time, energy and pretty much everything else? It’s blog comment smegma.
Over on The Standard you’ve got similarly clever commenters with similar observations to the equivalent of “another lying rightie, surprise, surprise”.
How about…
‘Another lazy brown man, surprise, surprise’
‘Another opressing white man, surprise, surprise’
‘Another fucking lazy, intellectually shallow, self mastabatory blog comment about my side vs the other side’
My opinion is that these comments add the totality of zero to any debate and they deserve to get called on being the inane bullshit that they are.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Exactly. Let’s pick on the guy with the stammer, or the guy with the birthmark on his face, or the little girl with deformed leg that makes her walk funny.
No? Let me guess – McCarten deserves it ‘cos he’s leftist scum’?
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Whew!! you finally got it J Mex…(just kiddin’)
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
“McCarten deserves it ‘cos he’s leftist scum’?”
Indeed he is J Mex but not quite sure what your other points are.
One thing McCarten isn’t and that is a poor widdle helpless victim incapable of defending himself and that’s what you appear to be portraying him as.
You’re not leftist scum as well are you? It’s just that’s what they try to do, all the time.
I agree the issue with his stammer is quite irrelevant, it’s the fact that he outright lied in a national newspaper, that’s the main point isn’t it. If you think he didn’t lie, then you’ll need to provide some evidence that he’s seen or heard Key say that some place. Because as far as I’m aware, the position is, no asset sales in the first term, on anything else he’s been completely silent. If that wasn’t the case then given how much the press likes to portray this in the hysterical SECOND COMING headlines which they use everytime even the mere whiff of the issue is raised, I’d seriously doubt such a comment would be able to slip quietly under the radar without most of us even noticing it.
Ergo he was lying wasn’t he. Which makes him not just a leftist scum but a lying leftist scum, doesn’t it. Do you agree with that?
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
What I don’t get is how come McCarten (and the NZ Herald) can’t be sued for defamation for saying this? If he can be why doesn’t John Key do so?
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
“Outright fib”?
Should that be bare-faced lie?
No point in getting upset about this. The best policy when arriving at the McCarten column is to adopt the same useful policy applicable when sighting columns from Misa, Rudman and Holmes.
Turn the page.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
“If he can be why doesn’t John Key do so?”
Firstly because it’s not defamation and secondly because even if it was politicians hardly ever sue anyone for real defamation while they’re in office because it looks like bullying. Especially if they were to sue in their capacity as a Minister because then they get to use Crown Resources which are essentially unlimited.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Wouldn’t that be awesome — it’d come to trial next year, almost certainly. Put John Key’s privitisation agenda front-and-centre. We’d probably get another promise from him not to privatise anything next term!
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Who cares what that stuttering wanker has to say about anything, [remainder deleted by DPF]
Can’t happen quick enough as far as I an concerned.
[DPF: 100 demerits]
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
yuck
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Reid at 1.47.
Vote:You write that you cannot question the intellect of Susan St. John.
She has written at length on the unfairness of the Working For Families Tax Credit regime. If you knew as much as I do about the intricacies of that legislation then you would know that she is a female for whom nobody can have any respect.
The missus has got a lovely pork dinner ready, together with a delightful (I hope) pinot gris. My meal would go cold if I was to spend time here telling in detail how devious that Ms St. John is.
December 12th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Oh lawdy……did you love Jane Kelsey as well?
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
nickb asks “Oh lawdy……did you love Jane Kelsey as well?”
Never met her.
Vote:December 12th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Basic reading comprehension for Reid:
You asked “So you don’t agree Matt was lying then J Mex? I wrote “No” (I’ll give you a hint: Think what it would mean If you wrote “So you agree Matt was lying then J Mex?”, and I wrote “Yes”)
Basic reading comprehension for Reid. I never portrayed anything of the kind. That shit is entirely in your head – Along with a lot of other shit, I suspect. Saying that you shouldn’t pick on someone because of their stammer does not mean you can’t attack their ideas, arguments or incorrect facts. It takes a low piece of scum to bypass all those and go straight for the disability.
An example being:
It is comments like this that make me think that The Standard’s description of “The Kiwiblog comments sewer” is apt. I hope DPF lands a shitload of demerits on you Big Bruv, so people are spared your bile and DPF is spared the embarrassment.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
big bruv is one very disturbed individual. Hey blouse CAN YOU PLEASE STOP WITH THE MALICIOUS COMMENTS that I’ll never post on my blog. Get some help you twisted coward.
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