Goff exposed

December 23rd, 2010 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Whale Oil has highlighted two cables which show supporting not just the SAS returning to , but also in 2006 sending troops back into .

First the SAS quote:

Goff told the General that he could expect a positive outcome on redeploying the PRT past Sept 2006 and was reasonably assured the SAS (Special Forces) would deploy again after regeneration.

And the Iraq quote:

Goff noted Senator McCain’s comment that New Zealand should think about replicating its success in Bamiyan by heading a PRT in Iraq.

The Minister said he told McCain that New Zealand was not averse to doing so once the security situation had stabilized.

If I was a Young Labour member who has stuck up posters about how Don Brash would send troops to Iraq, I’d be looking for a new party, or at least a new leader, about now.

Fran O’Sullivan also whacks at Goff:

Frankly it’s been rather delicious to watch Phil Goff squirm on the head of a proverbial pin as he flatly denies the insinuation in a WikiLeaks cable that the former Labour Government was prepared to trade “blood for milk” in Iraq. …

Inevitably, there will have been a number of factors in the former Labour Cabinet’s decision to deploy New Zealand engineers alongside the British contingent in Basra.

But it would be pushing credulity to claim the Clark Government did not consider the clear desire by New Zealand business – particularly Fonterra – to ensure its Iraqi trade did not go down the tubes when the postwar reconstruction contracts were doled out. Particularly when America still controlled the game.

I think it was a good thing that Helen Clark and Phil Goff were mindful of NZ’s commercial interests, when they decide to send troops to Iraq.

Goff, while speaking about nations like France and Germany which had also opposed the invasion, said then that “they will want to be part of whatever benefits will flow from reconstructing Iraq and rebuilding the relationship [with the United States]“.

Given their respective comments in 2003 it would be fatuous indeed to believe the decision to commit troops to the reconstruction effort did not have a tinge of economic reality.

More than a tinge I say.

Goff’s problem is that he is embarrassed by the WikiLeaks revelation.

He should look closer to home.

He had no compunction using notes of a private meeting between former National leader Don Brash and a visiting United States delegation to claim New Zealand’s anti-nuclear policy “would be gone by lunchtime” under a National government.

The WikiLeaks documents have something to say on this score too.

Former United States ambassador Bill McCormick wrote in November 2006 that Goff had “misquoted” an Mfat staffer’s notes from the meeting to claim that Brash had promised the nuclear ban would be “gone by lunchtime”.

Julian Assange at least releases the full cables and notes, unlike Phil Goff who broke a decades-long convention and quoted a small extract out of context.

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19 Responses to “Goff exposed”

  1. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    he can’t last much longer … surely???

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  2. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    and I think the headline should be “Goff exposed again”

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  3. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    Problem is, jaba, Labour don’t have a singlar view on what they stand for … so choosing a single replacement leader would be something of a problem. A faction cat-fight, with battle instructions no doubt delivered by TXT.

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  4. tvb (3,945 comments) says:

    But Goff presented Brash with a political problem and Brash failed to deal with it adequately. He seemed to be like a sitting duck for the Clark Labour Government.

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  5. GPT1 (2,043 comments) says:

    Yes the irony is that the leaks show that the Labour party had some more sensible elements than I would have given credit for AND exposes rank hypcrisy. Gold.

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  6. JC (840 comments) says:

    Clark, Goff and Cullen have all categorically denied Fonterra was a factor in our Iraq “blood for oil”, and fair enough too. Fran has shown the clear linkages between our entry to Iraq and loud calls from the business sector to share in the spoils of war, but there’s another interesting link if you check out Fran’s 2003 interview with Clark..

    Mike Moore finished his stint at the WTO in September 2002.. he then became Senior Counselor Fonterra, and then was appointed by Clark as a NZ Trade Envoy.. and then we went into Iraq..

    I’m being mischievious, but Foreign Affairs Minister in the 1980s, WTO Commissioner late 90s/00s, Fonterra 02/03 and NZ Trade Envoy 03, and into Iraq we go in 03. As Blenglish would say “Its not a good look”.

    Clark and co could indeed swear that Fonterra’s name didn’t enter the conversation at Cabinet, but Moore, along with leaders of the business community would have been in their ears before the Cabinet meeting.. and the result was satisfying to all.

    JC

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  7. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    I have no issue with Goff favoring redeloyment. but his utter hypocracy in claiming its now an ammoral war because his party is not in power sickens me. Escpecially given that his own nephew was killed there.

    I frankly don’t see how he can look in a mirror.

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  8. JC (840 comments) says:

    “He seemed to be like a sitting duck for the Clark Labour Government.”

    He didn’t have much choice.. if he defended himself he would have to have exposed more of what was said at the meeting.. and become guilty to the very thing he was accusing Goff about. If he made too many statements Goff could have selectively dripfed more of the notes of the meeting.

    What might be better is simply to remember that Goff:

    Broke confidentiality at the US/Brash meeting
    Protested his support of the US to US officials all the time
    But lied that the US was involved in our political affairs
    Swore he’d sell his double dip apartment.. but didn’t

    Maybe he’s just a shifty little shit.

    JC

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  9. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    JC you missed telling the Israelis to cram it while he went on a hand holding mission with the worlds worst terrorist.

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  10. Paulus (2,298 comments) says:

    I hope that Goofy does not get rolled before the next election.

    He is still National’s greatest asset.

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  11. NX (597 comments) says:

    I recall with great disgusted how Phil & H E Clark selectively quoted from an official, confidential document just to hurt their opponent. So it’s fitting that Phil is getting pwned in Wikileaks.

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  12. Positan (378 comments) says:

    By any standard, Goff is a complete hypocrite – but who didn’t know that anyway? What’s worse is that he’s still trying to pretend events and factor-in other, then-supposedly-existing, factors of explanation.

    Hypocrisy is always the cardinal attribute of those who gravitate to Labour. No Labour politico has ever been capable of standing and confessing that they erred or cocked-up because they lack the elemental personal substance to conduct themselves so. Remember all the countless cover-ups that Clark constructed?

    To stand and admit fault requires strength of individual character (as opposed to the “collective” character of Labour’s caucus) plus an honest outlook and disposition, and these attributes are only found in those who are confident in both themselves and their style of action. Such people are capable and prepared to place their reputation at risk.

    Labour’s seedy self-climbers are essentially fronters – desirous of basking in any attendant glory – but absolutely shunning of any and all responsibility for possible blame.

    And to that party of such cretinous posturers- for reasons that’ll never be understood – every so often the electorate offers control of control of Treasury, the country and its future direction.

    Absolutely unreal.

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  13. toad (3,654 comments) says:

    DPF:

    If I was a Young Labour member who has stuck up posters about how Don Brash would send troops to Iraq, I’d be looking for a new party, or at least a new leader, about now.

    They will always be welcomed by the Greens, DPF. As are any blue-greenie Young Nats who are not from the hard right and might be becoming a wee bit disillusioned with the fact that climate change denier Roger Douglas’ former partner in crime as Associate Finance Minister in the 4th Labour Govenment, David Caygill, has been appointed to “review” National’s already weak as piss ETS.

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  14. Origen (23 comments) says:

    I’ve never seen so little spun into so much. Goff exposed? How exactly?

    “not averse to doing so”
    “noted”
    “should think about”

    That’s not the language of someone committed to throwing troops into a battle zone. It’s the diplomatic equivalent of “maybe”.

    More importantly, any comparison between what Brash wouldn’t spit out (that he would have supported the coalition in combat operations with conventional troops) and potentially sending a few elite troops for reconstruction is just ridiculous, as you well know.

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  15. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    As are any blue-greenie Young Nats who are not from the hard right and might be blah blah blah

    They can piss off, as far as I am concerned. Do us all a favour and join the Neo-Socialist Watermelon Party and march with them on their merry jaunt to below the 5% threshold and total irrelevance.

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  16. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    This also shows how substandard, or biased, our media is. Where was their investigation of all of this? Not doubt affected by the fact that half the political reporters are kids. Most probably can’t balance their bank accounts, let alone critique Govt ministers.

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  17. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    Phil Goff is a lovely man, so just you all leave him alone.

    He is doing his very best, and it can’t be easy when your Boss keeps sending txt messages to all your troops all the time.

    So just lay off him, and believe everything he says. It is so much the truth, the honest truth, and so help him Allah.

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  18. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Latest post on Red Alert:

    So this is Christmas
    Posted by Clare Curran on December 23rd, 2010

    Apropos (I love that word) my previous post on great Xmas songs. Here’s John Lennon; Happy Xmas (the war is over). Except it’s not.

    Not much else to say really. There will always be another war. And there will always be hope that it will end. Lennon was on the side of hope. Me too. And I hope all of you.

    I hope for a world without war.

    OH SHIT HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHA. Who’s got a login?

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  19. southtop (257 comments) says:

    “If I was a Young Labour member who has stuck up posters about how Don Brash would send troops to Iraq, I’d be looking for a new party, or at least a new leader, about now.”
    Yep but where do these little shites with a weird view of the world go. Anderton’s party and Winston’s Party only take those over 70yrs and the watermelons are in a state of brand flux… no true greenies left in their parliament team.

    The UN/Fonterra link has been talked about for ages. It has been suggested that this is why Helen was pushed for the job in NY. Without the UN running trucks through Africa throwing around free food [and milk powder] NZ economy would be in for even more interesting times.

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