Political Corectness wins again
December 13th, 2010 at 11:00 am by David FarrarTim Donoghue at the Dom Post reports:
Air New Zealand is removing a scene from its in-flight safety video after complaints from members of the gay community.
The offending scene depicts a coy All Black Richard Kahui turning down an opportunity to peck the cheek of gay Air New Zealand flight attendant Will Coxhead.
Operations and safety manager David Morgan said among the complaints was a suggestion from a professor that the video could lead to gay male suicides.
It could also lead to a plane crashing as enraged militants blow up the plane in protest.
Captain Morgan said the video Crazy About Rugby, involving members of the All Black squad and with coach Graham Henry and captain Richie McCaw filmed in the cockpit, had been a phenomenal success.
“When we created this video and discussed the scene featuring a gay male flight attendant and a rugby player with key stakeholders, including a number of the gay community, we received none of the feedback we have in the past week,” Mr Morgan said.
“The scene was not something that we, the people we tested the scene with, or indeed the participants in the scene, viewed as distasteful or likely to cause concern.”
You’d have to be bloody precious to take offence.
The adverse reaction to the scene had shocked the Air New Zealand flight attendant in the safety briefing, Mr Coxhead.
“I’m absolutely gutted that a couple of people in the gay community have ruined this for everyone else.
“I’m proud to be gay, proud to be an Air New Zealander and extremely proud of my role in the safety video. Obviously there are some people in the gay community that can be a little precious and need to lighten up.”
Hear hear.
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December 13th, 2010 at 11:11 am
If he was able to plant his pecker on Kahui’s cheek, the same people would have found reason to complain. These people should be told to get over themselves.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 11:21 am
“Captain Morgan”. Tee hee.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 11:22 am
What utter rubbish.
Vote:The scene should be re-instated.
December 13th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Coxhead?
Where’s Paul Henry when you need him…..
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 11:25 am
“You’d have to be bloody precious to take offence.”
You mean Chris Carter level precious?
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Why the fuss, with the exception of a couple I would not be surprised to find Rugby backs (spectators) are gay
Vote:I have my doubts about the loose forwards as well.
December 13th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Air NZ should send those complaining about this a package containing a vibrator and some lube. Let them draw the obvious conclusion.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Time for the precious wall flowers who complained just STFU. In case they are too thick to understand the attendant in question is just hamming up the stereotype and if he was uncomfortbale with the scene he would not have done it.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Air NZ? Pffft who cares? Never use them.
As for the homosexual angle, who cares again. I’m sick of their propaganda campaign to 1) make out there are more of them than there really is and 2) make homosexuality “normal”.
It isn’t. What they are and what they do is offensive to a lot of red blooded heterosexual males and that’s the damn way it is.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 11:52 am
“gay Air New Zealand flight attendant ”
OMG there are gay flight attendants?
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
“Air NZ? Pffft who cares? Never use them”
@Red, I would love to see you crammed into a Jetstar seat with a 29 inch pitch. Oh yeah, with a 3 year old kid sitting next to you screaming in your ear.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
“@Red, I would love to see you crammed into a Jetstar seat with a 29 inch pitch. Oh yeah, with a 3 year old kid sitting next to you screaming in your ear.”
I prefer it to being harassed by some clomping ugly overweight self important power drunk flight attendant who learned her hospitality skills in some soviet gulag.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
I almost cringe at starting like this but .. AS A GAY MAN ….
I think this is a DOPEY decision. WHO is offended? Please tell me and I’ll debate it with them publicly
Also, the headline is way wrong, there is no gay kiss! The only “kiss” is of an air kiss between and man and women and then Will hinting at the All Black for a kiss. The kiss never happened. Hard to ban a kiss that never happened
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Air NZ? Pffft who cares? Never use them.
I guess you don’t have any need, when you’ve got nowhere to go and no-one who invites you to visit them.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Suicide potential? Like all those suicides of heterosexuals when they discovered that Tana Umanga carries a handbag. What crap.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
It’s PC to have a queer angle to a safety broadcast in the first place.
Air NZ is a very PC organisation.Most of their publicity makes me cringe.
Kia ora.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Captain Morgan. Really?
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
I thought it was quite good of Air NZ to have a gay representative in their ad, and poking fun of the tough guy image of the All Blacks in a humourous way. What a pity Air NZ have caved into this PC whinge.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
@redbaiter: apparently homophobics are actually closet homosexuals. When tested with gay pornography, most homophobics showed greater sexual response than non-homophobics. You aren’t a homophobic are you?
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Saw this in the SST
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/opinion/4449295/First-against-the-wall-Political-correctness-gone-mad-parrots
Although I don’t think it is relevent in this case it is bandied about a lot.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Some of these Homos are such Homos.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
That can lead to gay teenage suicide? really?
Seemed harmless to me. The fact that they can have a little joke like that suggests to me that the gay community is happily accepted by the majority of kiwi folks.
Wasnt that the goal for gay dudes? to be accepted? Part of that is people taking the piss out of you.
wonder if the professor was gay?
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
“@redbaiter: apparently homophobics are actually closet homosexuals. When tested with gay pornography, most homophobics showed greater sexual response than non-homophobics. You aren’t a homophobic are you?”
Oh boy…….. queue a Redbaiter rant on how homophobia doesn’t exist
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Why is it that all homosexuals can ever come up with when they are criticised is to accuse their critics of latent homosexuality or the fabricated mental condition of homophobia? Man that is so old.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
@redbaiter: Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. (Wikipedia) I think wikipedia is rather a more reliable source than you. And you certainly fit the “negative attitudes” part of the definition. Shame though, you’re probably really a nice person. Perhaps I should address you as master baiter?
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
This is the second edit this video – the ending of the original version featured the ederly lady (the one with the Lomu poster) “streaking” down the aisle complete with rear end pixilation.
No doubt someone will now complain about the Aircrew using cell phones in the Ad as well.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
A white man might be married to a black woman and have brown children. You will still call him racist if he utters statements that challenge the mandated PC view on race.
A man might have been beaten badly for rescuing some effeminate fag from a hiding by drunken yobbos in the street one night. You’ll still call him homophobic if he expresses a view counter to the prevailing Progressive viewpoint.
The words are today just meaningless propaganda terms used by mindless devotees of the Progressive political paradigm. In fact the only impact they do have is in their own offensiveness.
Offense of course is all a one way street with you mindless poorly educated knuckle dragging graduates of the mind control camps that masquerade as government schools, as the complaints on the Air NZ video demonstrate so well.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
So this guy is defending the practice of being PC:
What a charming, polite, open-minded way to make his point. The reality is those who comply with the doctrines of PC are not any nicer than those who do not.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
“that tiny minority who watch Fox News”
He marks himself as a politically one dimensional ignoramus right from the start with that comment. A typical mainstream media propagandist whose innate left wing political mindset prevents him from ever accurately understanding or reporting on what is really going down.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2010/12/10/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-december-9-2010/75050
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
I wouldn’t be citing Wikipaedia as any sort of authoritative source. It can be useful to get information from but I would suggest that there is plenty of evidence that it is very biased in its material.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
As for the All Blacks angle, who cares again. I’m sick of their propaganda campaign to 1) make out there are more of them than there really is and 2) make rugby-playing “normal”.
It isn’t. What they are and what they do is offensive to a lot of sensitive new age males and that’s the damn way it is.
As an aside, I wonder how much these companies pay All Blacks to appear in their advertisements – I never have the foggiest who they are!
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
And yes, there is no such thing as homophobia. But one of the beauties of english is that is that it is a dynamic language. New words and meaning are always entering the lexicon. And that is a good thing. Sure, surrendering to the fact that the language has been captured by groups for their own purposes might be galling but if the meaning has entered common parlance it is bloody near impossible to redefine it against the current tide of usage.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
hhhmmm – to coin a phrase – what a gay decision by AirNZ.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
I might be usually in agreement with that statement Mr. Thomson but in fact the term “homophobia” is a reference to a medical/ mental condition and that condition does not exist. In fact, if we’re going to bandy such terms about, homosexuality is far closer to a medical/mental disease than the politically incorrect sin of rejecting Progressive attempts at thought control.
In fact it was only in the late 50′s that it was removed from the list of recognised mental diseases, and that what not done from scientific consensus, but because of pressure from pro-homosexual associations. Homophobic is perhaps a word in the common sense but so is nigger. At least the latter does not pretend to be some scientifically proven and legitimate condition. I find them both almost equally offensive, but for its fakeness and posturing, “homophobic” to be marginally the more so.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Another limp-wristed professor crying wolf for no reason. To hell with them, I say!
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Redbaiter: the term “homophobia” is a reference to a medical/ mental condition
Have you got any source for that?
There have been well publicised examples of homophobic behaviour masking homosexual tendencies.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Sorry homophobia exists. If you don’t believe me then go to the following link. Part of Scotland Yard’s official website.
Note also the link on the left to LGBT.
Now to go back to the SST Kilgannon article where he says this PC stuff does not exist.This link disproves that. The Met want people to report the “hate crime” of name calling.
They’ve even got something called “transphobia”there.
http://www.met.police.uk/csu/hatecrime.htm
Remember Mickey Savage said it, “where she goes……” Can we be far behind?
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
The homo thing’s done to death.
Is there a new minority to beatify now? Ummmm, how about amputees! I’ll go along with that…..but you’ll get the fags demanding where all the homo amputees are.
You know, all in the cause of fairness…whatever.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
“Have you got any source for that?”
Yes, a fucking education. Why don’t you get one for yourself.
“phobia”- irrational fear
“irrational”- unable to be supported by logic, unreasonable, insane
“fear”- feelings of fright and insecurity
thus- “Homophobia”- , insane fear of homosexuality.
Go away you infinitesimal bore.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
It’s a bloody inflight safety video for christs sake.
It doesn’t bloody matter!
When these things are playing I’m normally trying to attract the steward(ess) to get a seatbelt extension.
I also know that should something happen to the aeroplane while I’m aboard I’d forget the video instructions and simply panic – blindly.
As for homosexuals being driven to suicide, fantastic.
Anyone that piss weak – not a description I’d use to describe homosexual people I’ve met – is just a bloody oxygen thief anyway.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
You’re confusing your blogs Red, you can’t make me go away from this one.
You said: but in fact the term “homophobia” is a reference to a medical/ mental condition and that condition does not exist.
If you were as educated as you claim you’d be aware you have done nothing to back that up. That you say it’s medical and that you say it doesn’t exist (which educated people would see as a contradiction anyway) doesn’t make it fact.
You display classic symptoms of a factophobe – your reactions suggest an irrational fear of anyone pointing out facts that don’t fit with your rants.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Dazzaman is right “The homo thing is done to death”. I doubt the professor is to concerned about homos topping themselves. It’s probably more about branding. God forbid the 96% of us that chase pussy forget the gay world exists. Whether we like it or not the gay world is here to stay, I couldn’t give a fat rats arse personally but the professor obviously feels that we need reminding. Trouble is that “GAY” is now mainstream and if you are slightly different and pushing a cause there is nothing worse then been excepted, I mean what can one complain about.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
@redbaiter: You say you have an education? Really? And at what wonderful enlightened establishment did you obtain that? And Leonardo da Vinci was homosexual, as have been a number of extremely intelligent, very well educated people, and no-one would ever claim that Leonardo was a sick man. But of course, you may use ad hominem arguments as much as you wish, because someone is gay means they are poorly educated and sick? Let your vitriol loose, it will make you feel a lot better. I would also say that Oscar Wilde was rather better educated than you are, as is Stephen Fry. But please, you are perfect in many ways, so we obviously can’t be right. I suppose that one can have an education and also be closed minded. On a slightly different track, regarding your denial of the condition of homophobia, there are people who fear/loath/hate homosexuals, of which you seem to be one. Even if there was only one homosexual in the world, they would have a legitimate reason to exist and behave like they do. And you would dislike them/hate them/loath or fear them as you seem to. So, whatever you call it, you are a hateful/fearful man, or else you wouldn’t rave on like you do. As Shakespeare stated, a Rose is still a rose by any other name. So, calling it homophobia is a label, as is red-baiter. I wonder how many homosexuals you have shaken hands with recently? I hope you have washed your hands, it might be catching. You seem to think you’re smarter than others here, but on what basis? I have a university degree, have studied at overseas institutions, have IT quals, and there are others here who have fine educations I’m sure. We choose to have different views that you, that is all. You obviously enjoy making outrageous comments in public forums.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Go for it Red, Give it to them.
Vote:never give in.
It’s almost as bad as these sonny williams print ads with the mum on his lap instead of the kid.
disgusting.
December 13th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
My comment from Facebook. “Indeed, if the scene was of a straight person being coy, would the issue have arisen? It might just be that Richard Kahui is shy…
So now do we have to ban any skits where people shy away from sexual contact? ” I don’t care if the person concerned was homosexual or straight. The issue here is, a sexual gesture being refused is quite normal and acceptable. However, if Richard were in another country, say Italy or France, or many other nations, he might have accepted it as quite a normal gesture, whether the person be gay or straight. The real issue here is the Anglo-saxon puritanism and prudishness. Uptight and anally retentive. Sonny and the woman might actually enjoy it, and sexual behaviour is actually quite normal, but MikeNZ, you seem to feel it is out of place, why is that?
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
“never give in.”
Both GJKiwi and Pete George display such an impossibly poor level of comprehension Mike, its hard not to feel overwhelmed by such innate ignorance and stupidity. When people cannot read the words you write, and attribute completely wrong meanings, that are actually the opposite of what you say, then arguing with them is like struggling to escape from quicksand. When you do that, you only sink deeper in the mire.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Actually Mike, I’ll give it one more go- Quote from my own blog-
“The issue is having the government mandate a particular way of thinking as being the only acceptable viewpoint, and labeling anyone who does not agree as insane. With in this case, the made up word “homophobic”. The words ‘racist’ and ‘sexist’ and ‘xenophobic’ are often used in the same way in relation to other similar issues.
It doesn’t matter what the issue, this is a course of action that only tyrants and totalitarians engage in, and that is my true objection.”
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
Haha Red, you’re frequently contradicting yourself, is that ignorant and stupid if you are oblivious to it?
And once you are called on your crap you revert to bluster to try and distract from your lack of substance. Nice to know Mike supports you, fellow crusaders.
The issue is having Redbaiter mandate a particular way of thinking as being the only acceptable viewpoint, and labeling anyone who does not agree as insane.
You have a habit of self describing.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Are you serious – his name is Will Coxhead? and he’s complaining about homophobia?
Is that the simple future tense (will) and a verb, head,? or two pronouns Will and CoxHead?
Priceless
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Name and shame the mad professor. Is he really, really, really a happy professor.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
See what I mean Mike? Useless.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Air New Zealand have done all right out of it. Some more publicity, and nothing lost by adjusting their advertising – a nod to homosexuals highlighted, now an assurance of responsiveness to homophobes who must make up part of their clientele as well.
This seems mostly a commercial decision with some free publicity.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Once again Political Correctness to pander to a minority is far more important. Sad really.
Vote:Those who complained can fuck off, what a bunch of humourless fucks
December 13th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
I was at a social occasion the other day and Sir Peter Jackson’s remake of The Dam Busters came up (do I have to explain what they were, and why they were called that?).
We’re waiting with bated breath to see what name Jackson will give the dog playing Wing Commander Guy Gibson’s pet.
Will the 617 Squadron commander’s dog be called Nigger, which the VC-winner called it, or will it be something else to appease modern audiences, particularly in the United States, where uttering (even whispering) ‘the N-word’ has the effect of a garlic and onion-laden fart being let off in a crowded lift crawling to the 100th floor.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Tripewriter
Vote:I’ve been wondering the same thing for quite a while. No chance of authenticity in this case.
December 13th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
I would not be so pissed off with Air NZ’s decision to pander to a bunch of whinging homosexual activists if it was not Air NZ’s policy to not seat unaccompanied children next to a man. There is absolutely no logic to this policy other than to demonstrate that ordinary heterosexual men have no political power as a group compared to whinging homosexual activists. They would be move a young girl awy from a man and place her next to an obvious butch dyke.
The policy does not protect children. The only case of sexual abuse on an Air NZ flight of a passenger that I have heard of was an air hostess who stuck her pussy in a male passengers face. I do not believe she was charged. I have no time for paedophiles but they are not stupid. They always have an escape route. It would not make sense for them to abuse a child on a plane.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Amazingly this is the sort of topic that will be talked about over a barbeque and boost support for National. Labour are seen as overly politically correct and this ludicrous decision will further drive down the Labour numbers. National 60% by election time???
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Chuck, get a life. Every time a gay person opens his or her mouth, they immediately become an “activist”
This story only proves that the “gay community” like any other community has all sorts of members, even ones that are silly, humorless, easily offended, unreasonable and get outraged by the smallest of things.
Just like you are living proof that your community has members that are silly, humorless, easily offended, unreasonable and get outraged by the smallest of things.
Lesson is that even you have some things in common with some gay people. See, they are not that scary after all.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
They’re only doing it cause the gay lobby in the Air NZ flight attendant workforce is as strong as the EPMU lobby is in the steel worker’s workforce.
If NZ Steel made a sales video like this but it was for real I imagine the EPMU might have a few things to say. Or maybe not. Maybe the EPMU would like it given their Pres really needs the Sisterhood and the Rainbow on his side if he’s going to be in with a chance.
Quite the dilemma isn’t it.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
In addition to being crambed in like sardines for around twenty five hours I was encouraged to watch this obnoxious video .. I having been by the time the second was played had seen various videos several times from different airlines and concentrated on the safety card to gain the essential infor about exits having travelled on several different plane types.
OK I know ANZ have contributed to the All Blacks funds so expect something in return but to inflict it on the travelling public yuk!
Actually on reflection I think it was played four times while I was aboard ,, so no wonder I was puking at the final time and the thought of travelling by ANZ in the future.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
Mind you United is almost as bad with the sick message from the company president starting it with a crap message of welcome. Thank goodness I missed the last time I was due to be subjected to it and travelled by Amtrak instead … no safety messages there just infomation cards I think.
Vote:December 13th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Pete … I would guess that the homosexual proportion of flyers is probably higher than hetrosexuals becuase they are single and can spend their income on themselves rather than bringing up a family [etc] .. it happens in other tourist industries so I don’t see why Air NZ would be any different. So the Homosexual lobby is important to the airline.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 8:50 am
They are scary because of the disproportionate amount of political power they after nine years of a Labour government. They have stacked the HRC with them.
Innocent people have become infected with HIV and died of AIDS because successful lobbying from lunatics in the homosexual lobby. There are still lunatics who want to force NZ Blood Services to accept blood from homosexuals.
The fear I have about the disproportionate political power of the homosexual lobby is real and rational.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 8:57 am
“The fear I have about the disproportionate political power of the homosexual lobby is real and rational.”
Relax, they haven’t tried to make it compulsory – yet. What about the “disproportionate political power” of Maori – do you fear that too? And the socialists? Chinese? Indians? Muslims? Secularists? Women are getting a bit uppity these days too. It must be a bugger cowering with a small minority.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Actually, NZ Blood does accept blood from homosexuals. Females are not a problem.
And from men as well:
Hope you are not going to blow your top over this.
Besides, how could you tell if someone did not declare his or her sexual orientation? And just claimed that they meet the above criteria. I am sure some do.
And just check out the the sexual activity list for the eligibility of donations
http://www.nzblood.co.nz/?t=65
If accepting blood from homosexuals is not a significantly greater risk than from other parts of the population, why not accept it.
I would assume that all blood donations are tested and screened for potential hazards anyway.
Your fear is completely irrational.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 9:21 am
PG, yes I am concerned about the disproportionate political power of Maori. I am not referring to all Maori but a militant band of racist Maori who support the likes of Hone. I certainly am not on my own. I simply beleive in one law for all regardless of race or sex. I suppose according to some that make me a racist and sexist as well as a homophobe.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Many people are worried about others having a disproportionate amount of power, but wouldn’t mind it for themselves. The target for just about any small party is to get enough seats to hold “the balance of power”.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 9:38 am
That just shows how ignorant you are of the facts and why it is wrong that the lunatic fringe of the homosexual lobby have too much say. Someone can have sex and give blood the next day and tests will not detect the HIV virus.
The following is NZ Blood Services policy.
Do you think that a bunch of homophobes infiltrated NZ Blood Services?
Would you be happy to accept personal responsibility if the policy you would like was adopted and someone was infected by a homosexual donated blood to prove a political point?
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 9:49 am
“homo” – same.
Thus, “homophobia” – irrational fear of similarity.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 9:57 am
That applies to heterosexuals as well as homosexuals.
As you pointed out high-risk sexual activity is the risk factor not sexual orientation.
Why would you be willing to accept potential heterosexual infected blood?
Fact is, you wouldn’t. You would ask about high risk sexual activity. Why can’t you do the same thing for gay men?
It’s not a political point that I am trying to prove. I am not saying NZ Blood is a bunch of homophobes. But there is no reason that the ban on gay men giving blood couldn’t be reviewed.
If there is sufficient evidence that such a ban makes sense, then I am all for it. But if it doesn’t, if the risk of accepting blood from gay men is not significantly greater than straight men, why keep it in place
In times when donated blood is so scarce, why are you putting lives at risk by not having enough blood just to prove your puritan political point and your prejudices? NZ Blood may not be homophobe, but you certainly are.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 9:59 am
We seem to forget the real coward here is Air new Zealand for pandering to the precious gay professor and his lunatic advice.
Vote:Shame on Rob Fyfe and his minions for bending over (pun intended).
December 14th, 2010 at 10:02 am
But Ryan, that’s just looking at literal meanings of components of a word.
“baiter” – to attract, tempt, or captivate.
“red” – a radical leftist in politics, esp. a communist
Thus “redbaiter” – a communist trying to attract
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 10:29 am
Kiwiblog was a much more pleasant place when Redbaiter was on sabbatical. I thought having his own blog or posting at Crusader Rabbit would have been enough to satisfy his “15 minutes of fame”. Having said that I guess he is just “link whoring” which is a perfectly acceptable way of attracting visitors.
If the AirNZ TVC featured the Silver Ferns and a caricatured dyke flight attendant tried to kiss Casey Williams would that be acceptable ? I suggest not. Women seem much more active in the area of sexual politics.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 11:15 am
eszett, I suggest you read “Behavioural Donor Deferral Criteria Review” which you can access from the NZ Blood Services website.
I quote below as follows
When you read the rest of the report you may be able to comment intelligently if militant homosexual activists like you are capable of an intelligent comment.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Oh I have now mutated to a “militant activist”. Just keep on calling me that, it just shows how desperate you are, Chuck. Throwing labels like that around surely shows how capable you are of making any intelligent comment.
Maybe you should read your own report a bit more carefully.
So, even the report concedes that not sexual-orientation is the issue, but sexual activities. And that the risk amongst homosexuals is not evenly spread and that it is just not practicable to differentiate between homosexual men and their risk factors.
So the report concedes that there are homosexual men who could safely donate blood, but currently the is no way to differentiate between them, so there is a blanket ban. If there were, such a blanket ban would not make sense, would it?
And this probably is the point of contention . After all it is practicable for other groups. Why should homosexual men is a stable, long-term, monogamous relationship be excluded, but the young heterosexual dude, who shags a different girl every weekend without a condom not be?
Maybe that is driven by the militant christian activist like yourself who are blinded by their paranoid homophobia. It is easier just to exclude all homosexual men than to face the irrational backlash of the homophobic lobby. (see, I can do it as well.)
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
John Gibson … but it is so boring when everybody agrees with you and those who don’t are removed
He comes here for the spice of life … a good old dust-up 
Tends to spoil it for the rest when some have him on about his comments.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
“Thus, “homophobia” – irrational fear of similarity.”
Thanks Ryan, you’re right about the origins of “homo”, but if that was its true meaning of “homophobia” it would hardly be used in the context it constantly is. By queers attempting to denigrate and insult those who disagree with their agenda.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
“Kiwiblog was a much more pleasant place when Redbaiter was on sabbatical.”
For Communists like you, that’s probably quite true. You have taken over Kiwiblog and made it into another place full of extreme left dross.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Yes, the Greek term should really be something like “misohomosexualist”.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
For a start I am not a Christian so I am hardly a militant Christian activist. So you are wrong there like with most of the rest of the nonsense you spout.
It is not up to me to defend NZ Blood Services policy. They have done so very well themselves against the lunatic fringe of the homosexual movement who have tried to score political points thereby putting the public at risk. I happen to remember than when HIV first came on the scene. Blood Services in the US and Canada caved into pressure from fanatics like you and did not separate blood from homosexuals. Many people died as a result.
The ban is for 5 years based a man having sex with another man. It is not practical to have an in depth discussion with the nurse whether a condoms was used for a blow job or if a glad wrap was used when one of your mates stuck his tongue up his buddy’s arse.
The fact that until I informed you of a window period that you did not know that one could have HIV and it would not be picked up on a test shows you know very little about the subject and are happy to put the public as risk to prove a political point.
You are one sick puppy.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Hi Redbaiter. I am a long-time admirer of your posts and share your views on homosexuality. I am a firm believer in traditional values and am sick of the lefties pushing their bullshit Progressive agenda. Perhaps we could get together to discuss some time and talk about how sick we are of having PC-ness shoved down our throats? Maybe sink a few beers, participate in some sort of manly strength-related competitions (shirts off of course), debate what we should do about to much PC-ness and just see where the evening takes us?
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Mate, don’t flatter yourself. You did not inform me of anything that I did not already know. And you still haven’t answered why it does not bother you that the same test that doesn’t pick HIV in a window period in a gay man also wont pick it up in a straight man or woman?
How come it is practical that it is possible to discuss sexual practices with heterosexuals then?
It seems to me that despite your posturing you don’t have much arguments on your side and are certainly not open to any new arguments. You constant name calling of “militant activist”, “lunatic fringe”, “fanatics” only goes to show that you are irrational and emotional on the subject and not open to any rational debate or arguments.
Vote:December 14th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Sounds like the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Vote:Just make sure you don’t donate blood afterward!
December 15th, 2010 at 8:49 am
You claim you know about a window period yet in an earlier post you stated, “I would assume that all blood donations are tested and screened for potential hazards anyway.”
You assumed about screening but did not know about screening. It is clear you did not know about the limitations of screening.
I already told you it is not up to me to explain the scientific and logic reasons for NZ Blood Services policy. However, I will try although I doubt if you will understand. It might help others who are tempted to believe the rubbish put out by the NZ AIDS Foundation.
The policy is based on probability and a two step screening process. The first step is to eliminate those who have put themselves at risk. Homosexuals are one of the highest risk groups. I repeat what I copied from the NZ Blood Services website.
“It needs to be emphasised that the prevalence of HIV infection is 40 times greater among MSM than heterosexuals in New Zealand.”
If we excluded heterosexuals who were prostitutes, men who used prostitutes and immigrants from high risk countries the factor would be greater than 40.
Other high risk groups have different deferral periods. For example prostitutes have the same 1 year deferral period. Those who have worked as prostitutes overseas have a 5 year deferral period.
Another factor I would presume Blood Services take into account is that the virus is transmitted more readily by anal intercourse than vaginal intercourse. More explanation is given in the following booklet.
http://www.nzblood.co.nz/site_resources/library/Transfusion_Medicine/Information_for_Donors/Safe_Blood_Starts_With_you_020309.pdf
They do not discuss sexual practices with heterosexuals. However, homosexual activists expect more in depth questions either in a questionnaire or in an interview of the sexual acts involved and protection used.
I hope this answers all your questions. I note you have ignored mine.
Vote:December 15th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Thanks Eszett. I have to confess to stealing that joke from Community. Not a bad show.
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