Seems daft to me

December 21st, 2010 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Katie Chapman at the Dom Post reports:

Impatient drivers won’t be able to zoom past traffic queues by using passing lanes these Christmas holidays.

The New Zealand Transport Agency is preparing to close some passing lanes in the Wellington region to keep traffic moving as much as possible.

Getting rid of extra lanes to speed up traffic seems daft to me.

But it seems the reason is we are so crap at merging traffic back together, which probably is true.

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122 Responses to “Seems daft to me”

  1. sthn.jeff (100 comments) says:

    its not the extra lanes that are the problem, it is the fact that the exra lanes stop. Better to just keep the traffic moving in single lanes. It does actually work

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  2. moaningmoa (68 comments) says:

    Personally, I just avoid the kapiti coast option as much as possible, either head up through the Waiarapa, or over the Akatarawas (if I must go up the coast route).

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  3. Brian Smaller (4,012 comments) says:

    It does. You may move slowly but you are at least moving. When someone zooms down the passing lane and tries to get back into the traffic stream the entire line comes to a halt.

    Heading out of Wellington the best thing to do is avoid Otaki town – go around it.

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  4. alex Masterley (1,510 comments) says:

    They do it through the gorge between Paeroa and Waihi as well.

    As others have noted the rationale is that traffic moves steadily.

    Passing lanes tend to annoy me, as I generally find that the slow driver in front of me hits the gas as soon as the passing lane starts and then at the end of the passing lane drops back to whatever speed they were doing beforehand.

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  5. jaba (2,136 comments) says:

    I was returning to Aklnd and the passing lane just before Hunty was a fkg mess .. possibly because just up the road is a traffic light. The concept of closing passing lanes sounds stupid but I have seen the kaos they can cause .. ticket the slow bastds will help

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  6. Grendel (996 comments) says:

    its a good idea.

    the number of times i have been in a slow moving set of traffic and everyone is ignoring the passing lane and just moving along. then some jacktard (usually in an SUV) decides they are more important so run up the passing lane and then try to force merge at the end of it, which takes more time for everyone and is just plain rude.

    last time this happened a bunch of people pulled part into the merge lane and refused to let the guy jump queue and also held him up so he lost time, he was sitting in his car ranting at everyone and beeping his horn and all the traffic just ignored him.

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  7. Roflcopter (455 comments) says:

    We’re not crap at merging, we’re crap at building decent roads.

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  8. GPT1 (2,116 comments) says:

    Merging isn’t that hard a concept but it seems that most drivers have missed that memo. Will be good fun trying to get past caravans without passing lanes.

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  9. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    From Grendel’s post, the problem is the idiotic small minded envy driven way of thinking. What a contemptible loser. Probably drives a 54 Morry Minor.

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  10. J Mex (187 comments) says:

    I’ve travelled this road pre and post Christmas with the passing lanes open and the passing lanes closed.

    It is much much faster with the passing lanes closed.

    For example, you have traffic travelling at 30km/hr, then you hit a 1 km passing lane, a whole bunch of cars fill up 1 km of passing lane and then traffic essentially stops for all the traffic behind them while a whole bunch of frustrated drivers try and remerge.

    The reality is when it that that jammed, you are not limited by the speed of the other cars, you are limited by the phasing of the lights in Paraparaumu, Otaki etc – you can’t go any faster by using a passing lane, as you can’t go any faster than the cars that were in front of you. You can only slow traffic down as 300-500 cars try and merge while travelling at 3km per hour in nose to tail traffic.

    With the passing lanes open (and very heavy traffic) I witnessed some very near accidents (as per Grendel above), as some drivers drove down the middle of the passing lanes (i.e straddling both lanes) in an attempt to stop other cars f**king up the traffic, while other cars tried to drive around the cars in the middle of the road (the blocking cars). The blocking cars moved further and further into the passing lanes, pushing the passing cars out into the oncoming traffic.

    Closing the passing lanes also speeds up the AKL Coromandel route. The reality is that you are already travelling at the maximum speed possible (i.e if you are travelling at 30km/h – there are no cars intentionally driving slower at 25km/h just to piss you off), so passing doesn’t help you. And filling up two lanes of traffic and asking them to remerge is far slower than them all driving single file at the maximum that the infrastructure will allow

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  11. m@tt (627 comments) says:

    Redbaiter
    How about the idiotic small minded way of thinking that leads someone to pull out of a slow moving line of traffic to ‘zoom’ past just to join the same slow moving line of traffic 500 metres up the road?
    Closing the passing lanes in those conditions makes perfect sense to me. Passing isn’t going to achieve anything except a snarl at the end of the double lanes.

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  12. sthn.jeff (100 comments) says:

    Fact is, that time of year traffic is always heavy and slow. Get used to it, enjoy the journey, take your time or alternatively trale at 3 in the morning

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  13. J Mex (187 comments) says:

    Merging isn’t that hard a concept but it seems that most drivers have missed that memo. Will be good fun trying to get past caravans without passing lanes.

    The whole point is that once that road is f**ed, there is no point trying to pass the caravan. You are all going 30km/h. Neither you or the caravan can go 35km/h because of the 75,000 cars going through traffic lights at the multiple small towns in front of you. You can, however, end up going 15km/hr while you wait for 75,000 cars to go through traffic lights AND 75,000 cars to sort themselves into a single lane after being in two lanes.

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  14. Grendel (996 comments) says:

    Just before i respond properly redbaiter. are you having a go at me or the guy who decides he is so important he should be allowed to jump traffic when the hundreds of others in traffic have decided it will be faster if no one uses the passing lane?

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  15. peterwn (3,242 comments) says:

    Imagine a passing lane of infinite length on a congested road, that is where speed is limited by congestion (not individual slow vehicles). Half of the vehicles will end up in each lane, but because those ahead have to merge into one lane, each lane moves at the same speed or slightly faster than the single lane speed. At the end of the passing lane they will try and merge while keeping about the same speed. The merged traffic will drop back to about half speed until it settles, and this is where the bottleneck is. If all cars accelerated then decelerated in an optimum manner when merging, this bottleneck would be alleviated. However you need to trust other drivers and act very predictably yourseld to avoid prangs.

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  16. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    What this means is that NZers are such hopeless drivers they can’t use passing lanes. Following on logically, it further means they shouldn’t even have driving licenses. And when you combine that with the shrewish envy driven rubbish spoken by you Grendel, it means you should sell the Morry Minor and just stay in your damn house and throw things at television images of people who are better off than you. What do you even need roads for?

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  17. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    I guess it does not help that Kiwis are the worlds worst drivers.

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  18. grumpy (256 comments) says:

    When I tow the boat up to the Sounds, behind the Landcruiser – I am restricted to 90kmh. I can easily keep up with the 100kmh flow but will get a ticket for my trouble. On long straights I get a lot of cars sitting behind and make a point of pulling over at passing lanes to let them past.

    What a fucking stupid idea!!!!!

    Perhaps they might like to up the towing limit if they want the flow kept rolling.

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  19. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    We’re not crap at merging, we’re crap at building decent roads.

    Perhaps you could pay double tax for the rest of your life to help pay for them?!

    I don’t fancy paying to build roads so you can get to your holiday spot 20 minutes earlier every two years. Talk to John Key, he might borrow a bit more to pay for road construction and maintenance.

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  20. rouppe (967 comments) says:

    One also has to consider why merging is causing a general slowdown…

    It is mainly because cars are not observing an appropriate following distance, which means that 50 cars have to instantly double their following distance in order to make room for a merge. Which means the 300 cars behind them have to stop while this happens.

    I see the attitude all the time when merging in light traffic from motorway on-ramps onto the motorway. Cars in the left lane simply will not slightly adjust their speed at an early stage, nor move into a vacant right hand lane to accommodate a merging car. As far as they are concerned, the car entering the motorway has to give way. This of course, at its worst extent, means that a car ends up trying to enter the motorway at 20kph because they have been forced to slow down because of a refusal to allow a merge at 80-90kph to occur.

    And chaos ensues….

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  21. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Where is this place that so many try to escape the congestion of the big smoke via traffic congestion with smoke coming out of their ears so they can enjoy the little smoke of a BBQ in a congested camping area?

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  22. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Merge like a Zip not like a Retard!

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  23. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Part of the problem is the high profile that driving has now. Thanks to the need for a legion of shiny arsed parasites to make a living by “looking out for us”, and their offensive propaganda pushed on state owned television, dumbfuck dozey NZers think they’re taking their life in their hands every time the get in their cars, and consequently drive like fucking knock kneed rabbits.

    Never in the field of human endeavour have so many gape jawed morons been so easily fooled by such a corrupt and sleazy government. Snap out of it and fucking drive for fuck’s sake. Pack of prissy pontificating socialist drongoes without a single testicle among the lot of you.

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  24. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    RB: From Grendel’s post, the problem is the idiotic small minded envy driven way of thinking.

    Grendel: are you having a go at me or the guy who decides he is so important he should be allowed to jump traffic when the hundreds of others in traffic have decided it will be faster if no one uses the passing lane?

    Redbaiter is having a go at you because he IS that SUV driver.

    He is the guy who’ll flick in and out through congested lanes, causing braking and slowing of everyone behind him, just to arrive home 30 car-lengths (or 2 minutes) earlier.

    He is the guy who drive in the empty right hand lane, until the end where he pushes in to the front of the jammed left lane to turn left.

    He is the guy who doesn’t indicate, because in his head he knows he wants to change lanes, and no-one else is important.

    He is the problem with many NZ drivers. Arrogance. Utter selfishness. Bitter. Hateful. This world would be better off without h them.

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  25. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Sounds like how he tries to ram himself in on the blog lane.

    Waiting for another honk…..

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  26. Ed Snack (1,848 comments) says:

    Actually, it’s not faster to close the passing lanes, but it does seem like it’s faster, safer too. It’s only safer though, because there are too many stupid bastards who will insist on trying to jump a few places up an effectively infinite queue.

    Leaving aside the complexities, in effect there’s a maximum speed at which you travel on a road at its carrying capacity. If you are indeed slowed down by merging at passing lanes, you do get that back shortly afterwards as the traffic has “stretched” out because it slowed to merge, so your average speed is probably insignificantly different.

    So in areas where the carrying capacity is reached, closing passing lanes does smooth rather than speed traffic, and reduces risks. However it can be over-used and it does sometimes prevent drivers from reasonably passing slow traffic, plus the poor sod stuck behind that full stock truck would probably like to change places sometime.

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  27. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    I’m also the guy who fucking well pays for the roads so bludgers who don’t do fuck all other than live off my tax can drive along in their thousands with their fucking snail mentality and make it even more difficult for me to pay for their fucking roads than they already have with their leaching and their lazy arsed expectation that the world owes them a living. Most of them should be living under corrugated iron at rubbish tips and not be on the fucking roads with fucking twenty year old third hand jap crap cars clogging them up for the productive sector.

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  28. J Mex (187 comments) says:

    Imagine you are on an escalator/travelator that is 10km long. It is single file and back to back filled with people. At some points on this travelator it is double width. People rush from behind to move up the queue to fit into the empty space in the double width areas and people rush onto start of the travelator to take up the empty space created by the double width.

    That is well and good. EXCEPT, when the travleator goes back to single file. There is no room for the double width to move back into single file because all of the space created by the double width is gone. The only way to create space is for the queue behind the double width to start going slower than they were previously, to create the space.

    This is where the problem is. It is impossible for people (or cars) to get back into the queue (full traffic) at THE SAME SPEED that they came out of the queue. If the time taken to rejoin the single file is greater than the time taken to leave it, you have a net loss of speed for everyone in the system.

    For all the armchair experts, go to – http://vwisb7.vkw.tu-dresden.de/~treiber/MicroApplet/

    Go to ‘Lane closing’, crank up the traffic flow and see if you can make it work. This is the same issue – Two lanes of trafffic into one. Quite simply, even one the highest ‘politeness facto’ (i.e. perfect merging) the system fails.

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  29. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    “NZers think they’re taking their life in their hands every time the get in their cars”

    They bloody are when there are idiots like you on the road. I suspect you have a huge SUV to make up for having an incredibly small Penis.

    A huge percentage of Kiwi males take on an entirely different personality when they get behind the wheel of a car (and some when they get behind a keyboard) their car becomes an extension of their manliness and masculinity, no “bastard” is going to overtake them or make them look less of a man.

    They really are pathetic.

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  30. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Why can’t we afford better roads? Because we’re dolling out what little money there is to spare to a population of bludgers theives and parasites who then clog up what roads do exist by crawling along because they can’t even drive. The only damn thing they’re any good at is living off the efforts of others.

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  31. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Hye Bruv go back to Panda sports and talk shit with the rest of your cab driving mates you silly old fool. You’ve never had an idea that wasn’t put in your head by talk back radio.

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  32. OTGO (544 comments) says:

    Passing lanes, 5.4l V8, 500nm torque = heaven

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  33. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    # tristanb (202) Says:
    December 21st, 2010 at 11:53 am

    We’re not crap at merging, we’re crap at building decent roads.

    Perhaps you could pay double tax for the rest of your life to help pay for them?!

    I don’t fancy paying to build roads so you can get to your holiday spot 20 minutes earlier every two years. Talk to John Key, he might borrow a bit more to pay for road construction and maintenance.

    HMM, wel if we didn’t waste money on all the socialist need to have and want to give etc etc, red and I would be able to drive on good roads at a resonable cost. BUT you give me socialists wouldn’t understand things like that. Better someone else pays.

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  34. J Mex (187 comments) says:

    @ Ed.

    Ed that is not true. You can’t get any more speed out of a conveyor belt processing unit, but ‘double laneing’ some (non processing) areas at not others. You can’t even reduce ‘space taken up’ – except in a linear sense.

    Since drivers move ‘out’ of heavy traffic into an empty lane, faster than they can move back ‘in’, there is a net loss of speed to the system.

    A motorised conveyor belt can merge ‘perfectly’ and can’t gain speed out of it. How can severely ‘imperfect’ drivers?

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  35. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Ha ha…Angry Russell, the octogenarian “boy racer”.

    What’s the matter old man, have you failed your annual driving test?

    Or….can you not go past the letter box without filling your incontinence pants?

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  36. Nigel (511 comments) says:

    They have been doing it North of Auckland for awhile & yes it works.

    Once the speed drops below 80kph & it’s bumper to bumper passing lanes are a waste of space I reckon.

    I’m not so quick to blast NZ drivers, I think the roads are poor & if the Transport authorities got off the speed & booze bandwagon & did some education on driving it’d make a bigger difference.

    Lastly, where are the signs reminding people in passing lanes to only use the right lane for passing & if in the left lane to remain at a constant speed, that would help.

    Alot of people speed up when being passed & I think it’s a minority who do it out of spite, though cops should really work in pairs on passing lanes to enable both vehicles to be apprehended, I’ll take a fine if the ***ck who sped up as I passed them got a triple fine as they deserve.

    tristanb, I don’t make a habit of defending ‘baiter, but that is bollocks, mind you if he drives a Rav4 I take it back ( how come Rav4 owners are the worst drivers on the open road ??? ).

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  37. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Can just imagine screaming past the line of traffic…:

    “Shit heap, must be unemployed.
    Woman! Kids! DPB.
    Bloody superannuant – sub driver!
    What’s this SUV trying to cut me off? Family trust, I bet!”

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  38. Psycho Milt (2,410 comments) says:

    I’m also the guy who fucking well pays for the roads…

    Bloody hell! I guess that explains why we have such crap roads, it’s all got to come out of Redbaiter’s pocket. I suggest the govt should switch to a model of funding roads through taxation, it would work a lot better.

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  39. Roflcopter (455 comments) says:

    If we had some foresight and invested in infrastructure in a forward thinking manner, instead of building things to fix problems, we wouldn’t be stuck behind dumb-asses crawling at 30km/h.

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  40. J Mex (187 comments) says:

    By the way, an important note. When they are talking about this road, and closing lanes – They are not talking about traffic travelling at 80km/hr. They are talking about nose to tail traffic travelling at 30-50km/hr. All you guys tugging about how quick you V8 can pass, have not been in this traffic. You can pass everyone you like, and you are still in nose to tail traffic travelling 30-50km/hr.

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  41. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Bruv brings his dopey old rambling cab driving Panda Sports mentality to Kiwiblog and once again goes completely off topic in his frantic attempts to redeem his punctured self image.

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  42. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “it’s all got to come out of Redbaiter’s pocket”

    Milt, librarians are parasites. You drive on the roads that other people pay for. Your whole standard of living is conditional upon how much you can steal from the productive through electing politicians who will do that for you. A whole lot less leeching librarians and the thieving politicians they elect would see us with much better roads.

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  43. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    May seem daft, but it has been proven over years of bitter experience to be better than letting half a million selfish fucktards attempt to merge back in at the end of the passing lane.

    Bring on Transmission Gully…

    (And redbaiter- just piss off and die, “poor people” pay tax too. Driving 38yo English iron myself, usually pass all the SUV / Holden / Euro retards like yourself. Get out of the fast lane Grandpa, take your plastic, automatic-gearboxed dildo wagon and your sense of superiority with you.)

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  44. J Mex (187 comments) says:

    If we had some foresight and invested in infrastructure in a forward thinking manner, instead of building things to fix problems, we wouldn’t be stuck behind dumb-asses crawling at 30km/h.

    It happens about three to four times a year that this road can’t deal with the volume of traffic. It almost doesn’t matter how good your infrastructure is, it won’t cope with these types of events. I would rather have a few delays 5 times a year than spend hundreds of billions on roads that are underutilised 362 days of the year.

    China invested in some amazing roading infrastructure and managed a 9 DAY TRAFFIC JAM.

    Can anyone name a major city or country that doesn’t have traffic jams during peak holiday traffic? Thought not.

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  45. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Well I for one wouldn’t let someone back into the lane if they’d zoomed up the passing lane purely to get ahead by slowing everyone else down. Let the dickheads in the passing lane wait there stationary while the main lane keeps crawling.

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  46. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Only Redbaiter could try and hijack a thread about driving and turn it into another of his tiresome rants.

    Bad drivers come from all areas of society Russell, I know that in your muddled old mind you suspect that all bad drivers are communists set out to deliberately ruin your day, however, once again you are wrong.

    Anyway, how come you are here?, no readers over at your site?

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  47. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    J Mex –

    Fortunately, the economic cost/benefit analyses carried out when assessing proposed roading developments do take into account things like the normal traffic volumes and congestion levels on the other 358 days of the year!

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  48. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Go back to Panda Sports Graeme. Nothing worse than a stupid big mouthed cab driver who thinks he knows everything. I bet you drive your clients nuts with your flapping jaw. I always just tell you to shut the fuck up and turn off that fucking talkback radio or there’s no tip when we get where we’re going.

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  49. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Fortunately, the economic cost/benefit analyses carried out when assessing proposed roading developments do take into account things like the normal traffic volumes and congestion levels on the other 358 days of the year!”

    The roads in NZ are fucking disgraceful. End of story.

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  50. J Mex (187 comments) says:

    Fortunately, the economic cost/benefit analyses carried out when assessing proposed roading developments do take into account things like the normal traffic volumes and congestion levels on the other 358 days of the year!

    Exactly. But the subnormals on here expect that their infrastructure will hold up perfectly on the busiest day of the year.

    I can only imagine that they spend all year sitting around their enormous dining room table that has 30 chairs because it has to cope with the busiest day of the year when all the visitors all turn up? (Then again, their single seater TV tray probably copes with their busiest household day of the year.)

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  51. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    “The roads in NZ are fucking disgraceful. End of story.”

    Most of the road in NZ are perfectly fine, it is the idiots who use them that are the problem.

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  52. James Stephenson (2,152 comments) says:

    Once the speed drops below 80kph

    Which is more or less the optimum speed for getting the maximum volume of traffic down a road. Counter-intuitive I know, but that’s the sweet-spot between faster-moving traffic and needing bigger gaps between cars. It’s why the variable speed limits on the M25 work.

    Interesting linky on the whole subject: http://www.smartmotorist.com/traffic-and-safety-guideline/traffic-jams.html

    I wouldn’t say NZ has the worst drivers in the world, just the biggest gap between self-perception and the reality of skill levels.

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  53. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Anyway, how come you are here?, no readers over at your site?”

    More off topic shit. I come here so I can talk to you Graeme. Whenever I feel like amusing myself by making an idiot out of a leftist, you’re always the easiest target. Just make sure you keep way from my blog, that’s all.

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  54. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Most of the road in NZ are perfectly fine, it is the idiots who use them that are the problem.”

    Of course that problem could be easily dealt with by putting all the dopey old talk back transfixed flap jawed cab drivers off the road. Most of them are an utter menace with their inability to concentrate on what they’re doing. “Haw haw did you hear what that Danny said just then, what a guy..!! Bloody bennys. Bloody horis. Ooops, was that an old lady on that crossing?”

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  55. m@tt (627 comments) says:

    “The roads in NZ are fucking disgraceful. End of story.”
    Yeah. That shit keeps me awake at night. I wish the government would reprioritise all those billions of beneficiary dollars to roads and other shit that red baiter says is worthy. Then we’d all have a nice smooth road on which to drive away from the rioting crowds of starving people trying to smash our doors and heads in.

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  56. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    From what posters are saying maybe things need to be spelled out more clearly:

    Start: “Keep left and don’t speed up 15kph” “Passing lane, productive taxpayers only”
    End: “Don’t slow down 15kph, give way to flash wankers”

    Or we could become Red Zealand:
    All non-approved MPs out.
    All non-approved journalists out.
    All non-approved drivers out.
    All non-approved blog posters out.
    Anyone left out?

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  57. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Now come on Russell, tell the truth.

    I asked you to provide proof of the claim you made about making “heaps” of difference in your ten year war on the pinko’s.

    All I did was ask you to name one thing you had achieved…the fact is Russell that you have achieved nothing.

    As for your blog, well you banned me Russell, I get under your skin and you cannot handle it, you do not allow free speech yet you come here and abuse DPF’s site with your mindless abuse and childish name calling.

    All this from a moron who talks about “freedom”.

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  58. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    You’ve obviously had some helluva bad experiences with taxi drivers Baiter. Wanna tell us all about it?

    Curious that you launch into that right after criticising someone else for “off topic shit”…

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  59. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Oh here’s Matt with his typical communist shit. Give us money or we’ll steal if from you and bash you too. Another librarian with a Morry Minor right Matt?

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  60. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Bruv go back to Panda sports with your cabbie mates. Your selfish Redbaiter obsession just causes you to fuck up every thread you turn up on on Kiwiblog. If you can’t do that, just get a room with Andy and do what you usually do.

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  61. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    These homo-erotic fantasies about “Andy” and “Graeme” you keep alluding to are most enlightening.

    Did your mother ever hug you when you were small, Baiter?

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  62. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    You’ll be pleased to know Pete I got rid of the BMW 7 series and settled for a lowly $70,000 Ford this year. Fucked if I’m paying all that tax to keep bludgers like you and Phil from having to live at the rubbish tip. I’ve had enough of it. Even so, with what I did pay in GST on that purchase, at least you could keep off the road in your fucking smoking rusted out Kombi and let me get where I’m fucking going.

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  63. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    BMW owner stereotype: affirmed.
    “It’s MY road. I am MORE worthy than you”.

    …at least you could keep off the road in your fucking smoking rusted out Kombi and let me get where I’m fucking going.

    I could. But, why would I?

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  64. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Respect for your betters. (and providers)

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  65. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    So, I should value your time and convenience more than my own?

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  66. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    You need to put signage on your wee car (Kiwibank style?) so everyone knows who you are:
    I DEMAND RESPECT AND RIGHT OF WAY!!!
    See where that gets you.

    It must really grot you off having to keep left.

    This thread has been a bit of an insight into THOSE drivers.

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  67. redeye (628 comments) says:

    I agree with Bruv on 2 issues;

    – there’s little wrong with our roads but in general NZers are some of the worst drivers I’ve experienced. I wonder where they are all going in such a hurry and what I’m missing out on.

    – On my only visit to Redbaiter’s site he deleted my abuse free, fact full, post. He didn’t agree with it. He shouldn’t therefore preach about any form of free speech. He’s a hypocrite.

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  68. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “This thread has been a bit of an insight into THOSE drivers.”

    More of an insight into the fat arsed bludging sanctimonious wittering socialists who are so generally incompetent they can’t even drive a fucking car usefully and think the rest of the world exists just to provide them with a hugely undeserved standard of living.

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  69. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Redeye if you think stopping moron’s from you from venting your spleen on TrueblueNZ is stifling free speech it shows you don’t have the brains of a garden snail. Not only should you be muzzled, you should have your nuts cut off so you can’t breed.

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  70. Grendel (996 comments) says:

    i think baiter clearly is that SUV driver.

    only someone so narrow minded would decide that the 300 people who chose to not slow every one down by going into the passing lane are looking at the one self obsessed (usually driving a very clean SUV thats never gone off road) jackass who chooses to use the passing lane with envy.

    what we are wondering is how one idiot could think themselves so important that they decide they have the right to jump ahead.

    So Red, with as little vitriol or whining about socialists as possible tell us all how you justify jumping into a lane that every other driver has chosen not to use so that everyone can get home faster.

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  71. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    Anyway it looks like the original problem has been solved thanks to Kiwiblog.
    To make Christmastime on the roads as safe and pleasant as possible, remember everybody to pull over and make way for BMW owners. As Redbaiter says they are your betters, and their time is more important than yours. Try to show a bit of respect for your superiors and providers. Bow down if you can. Offer sexual favours.

    [link whore] …TrueblueNZ is stifling… [/link whore]

    Pleeeeeeeeeeez leave a comment!

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  72. Brian Harmer (686 comments) says:

    “Heading out of Wellington the best thing to do is avoid Otaki town – go around it.”

    Err … how? If you are doing Wellington to Wanganui by road. how do you avoid Otaki? You can avoid Levin but there is no way to avoid Otaki (unless you intend to add 78k by diverting through Pahiatua and the Wairarapa).

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  73. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Red said he traded in the beamer for something like a Festiva. Probably blue.

    These holidays we can all imagine that whenever we see a pushy blue Ford with a ruddy red driver screaming along (car or driver, take your pick) that it could be someone we know, relaxing on holiday.

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  74. Lucia Maria (2,306 comments) says:

    Oh no, not this time of year again! What I find the most frustrating is people who turn off SH1 at Popular Ave and then travel down the suburban coastal roads, go back up Kapiti Rd to then merge back in at the lights to get ahead of standstill traffic. Makes it a nightmare to get out of my driveway.

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  75. Ed Snack (1,848 comments) says:

    J Mex, we’re not really disagreeing. There are times when a road and a conveyor are equivalent and I completely agree in that case. But at other, even some busy times, one individual can travel significantly slower than everyone else in front of them (because a road is NOT a conveyor in real life, the individuals do have the option to do so, as hard to understand as it is why they would), and in that case a passing lane would speed up the flow. Because, in such a case the traffic is moving slower than the optimal speed. It may be rare but I know I have encountered it several times.

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  76. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    I think the big question Brian is, why on earth would you be going to Wanganui by choice?

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  77. OTGO (544 comments) says:

    “Red said he traded in the beamer for something like a Festiva. Probably blue”. 70k for a Festiva. Shows you know nothing about motor vehicles…

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  78. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Oh dear!!

    It seems that Redbaiter has been caught telling another lie.

    “settled for a lowly $70,000 Ford this year.”

    Closer inspection shows that there are no Ford models that cost $70,000, the only way Redbaiter could have come close to $70,000 would be if he purchased a SUV Territory Ghia turbo and paid full retail price (only morons do that) and paid for his registration as well.

    So which one is it Redbaiter, are you a moron or a liar?

    http://www.ford.co.nz/servlet/ContentServer?cid=1178854845705&pagename=Page&c=DFYPage&site=FNZ

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  79. Kimble (4,432 comments) says:

    big bruv vs redbaiter?

    What is this world coming to?

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  80. Monty (976 comments) says:

    note to cops out on road this break.
    1. Close all the parking in Otaki except side streets – queues all the way back to Levin from Otaki is simply not acceptable
    2. Pull over and ticket slow drivers – They are a pain in the arse and cause a lot of frustration
    3. Aim your revenue generating at the scum like boy-racers, bogans, and reckless drivers. Parents with families in cars are not criminals even if they go over the speed limit for about 3 seconds on a downhill run with a tail wind.

    (a stupid cop gave me a ticket last year for going 10km (with a trailer) momentarily over the limit. He had to turn and chase me down overtaking in very heavy traffic. I was running generally in the flow of traffic (so not to hold people up) from the time lights were flashed to catching me in the heavy traffic was 25 minutes. Another 20 minutes giving me the ticket (as questions were asked, certificates etc and checking the radar) – so the stupid Police got $30. The Police Department also ended up responding to a frivolous OIA. Cost to the Police probably $200 – $300. revenue $30. Fools.

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  81. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Thanks for the laffs guys. To the real right wingers I may have offended then my apologies. Just a bit of fun really. I know its difficult to make headway against the appalling and innate political ignorance of the entitlement class.

    Oh, BTW, tahnks to RRM for the extra publicity for my blog. don’t put tooo much effort into it Andy, don’t want the rank leftists on Kiwiblog commenting there.

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  82. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Kimble

    It is all about Freedom v Control freaks, those of us who love Freedom think that it should apply to everybody, Freedom and personal responsibility, Reddbaiter just wants Freedom for his right wing religious nutter mates.

    Redbaiter is much closer to Klark and Labour than he cares to admit.

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  83. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    “To the real right wingers I may have offended then my apologies. ”

    Apology accepted Redbaiter.

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  84. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    No real right winger would waste their time with the kind of flap mouthed gape jawed 75 IQ cab drivers on Panda Sport.

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  85. Kimble (4,432 comments) says:

    Cant you guys see that excessive freedom is its own form of control?!?

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  86. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Red

    So what model Ford did you pay more than the listed retail price for?

    Or are you telling lies again?

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  87. Rex Widerstrom (5,349 comments) says:

    big bruv suggests:

    I guess it does not help that Kiwis are the worlds worst drivers.

    Where else in the world have you driven?! There are plenty of idiots who are far worse than anything you’ll see in NZ (and those two links are just the best of today’s examples).

    Monty suggests:

    note to cops out on road this break.
    1. Close all the parking in Otaki except side streets – queues all the way back to Levin from Otaki is simply not acceptable

    They are if you’re deliberately trying to provoke frustrated drivers into speeding up when they get the chance so that yuou can then chase and harass them as you describe later in your comment.

    Your suggestions are spot on, BTW.

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  88. adze (2,105 comments) says:

    What do the FPV’s go for bruv?

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  89. OTGO (544 comments) says:

    I can tell you that. Depending on the spec a wee bit over 80k. Not at much as the HSV’s which are 130k and way over priced.

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  90. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Wow, there’s Graeme adopting the jack booted interrogator pose once again. Get this straight Bruv, you dull stupid flap mouthed bore. If I am accountable to anyone at all on the blogosphere, its never ever going to be to some dumbarsed dimwitted Auckland cabbie and internet coward like you.

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  91. Dexter (292 comments) says:

    Gotta feel a bit for folks like Red when it comes to this time of year, no wonder he’s extra agitated. Combine that with his failure of a blog and realization that his decade long Internet campaign has garnered an impressive 5 followers. Keep up the good work Red with that sort of support who knows what you can achieve.

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  92. john.bt (170 comments) says:

    With a bit of luck the cops will close off the parking going through Otaki and this will ease the problem. Apart from those idiot drivers that really piss me off… hatwearers, green cars, SUVs, and anyone driving crap cars like Fords, Mitsis, Subarus and VWs. These are usually the ones who do 80 to 90 km and then 120 km at the passing lanes.

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  93. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Redbaiter

    I am not interrogating you at all, you made the claim (or claims), all I am asking you to do is back up those claims.

    1. What “lowly Ford” were you dumb enough to pay more than retail for?
    2. Name one thing you have achieved in your ten year war?

    Simple questions Russell, even you should be able to understand them………..or, you could just stop telling lies.

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  94. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Rex

    “Where else in the world have you driven?!”

    Europe. (they drive on the other side of the road there Rex, that might explain some of the problems you have had)
    Aussie. (Far more courteous and polite drivers)
    The USA. (read same for Europe)
    The UK. (amazing drivers, they let you in, stay in the right lanes and do not have 80 year old fools from Tauranga on the road)
    Canada. (even more polite than the Aussies)

    The major difference between all those countries and NZ is that by and large they can all drive properly….unlike here.

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  95. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I am not interrogating you at all, you made the claim (or claims), all I am asking you to do is back up those claims.”

    Drop dead yellowback. I need to “back things up” to non-comprehending low IQ fuckwits like you? Thanks for the laff. Fouling every Kiwiblog thread with your worthless obsessive shit. And then you whine because you can’t post at TrueblueNZ ? What the fuck would I want a moron like you posting there for? You do enough damage on Kiwiblog. Just stick to Panda sport with all the other dumb cab drivers. The rest of the blogosphere will be so much the better for it.

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  96. dime (9,849 comments) says:

    I dont want a piece of this argument.. just one question:

    bruv – why the hell do people think youre a cabbie? what have i missed?

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  97. dime (9,849 comments) says:

    As a member of Pandasport, i cant help but feel a touch offended lol

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  98. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Did you not know that Dime?

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  99. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    I need to “back things up” to non-comprehending low IQ fuckwits like you?

    Hi all, I’ve just returned on my Lear Jet from a long weekend in Italy, checking how my custom Ferrari FXX is coming along and banging Redbaiter’s granddaughter.

    Do you see how if you make all sorts of outrageous claims without providing any kind of supporting evidence, it looks like you’re just talking sh!t?

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  100. redeye (628 comments) says:

    Yeah, if you’re going to slag http://www.pandasport.com redbaiter, at least link it. No right wing censorship over there. In fact hardly any censorship at all. Excepting the no nipple rule.

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  101. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Rex

    “Where else in the world have you driven?!”

    Europe. (they drive on the other side of the road there Rex, that might explain some of the problems you have had)
    Aussie. (Far more courteous and polite drivers)
    The USA. (read same for Europe)
    The UK. (amazing drivers, they let you in, stay in the right lanes and do not have 80 year old fools from Tauranga on the road)
    Canada. (even more polite than the Aussies)

    The major difference between all those countries and NZ is that by and large they can all drive properly….unlike here.

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  102. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    And then you whine because you can’t post at [repetitive link whore] TrueblueNZ ? [/repetitive link whore]

    The only true blue worth visiting.

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  103. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Andy, where do you get the arrogant assumption I would care what you think? Unbelievable, and so typical of the narcissistic homosexual to assume a completely undue idea of their worth. You and Bruv really should get together you know. He’d be a much better proposition than all those young boys in your underwater hockey team.

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  104. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    I sense a deep rage Redbaiter.

    Would praying help?

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  105. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Gosh Eszett, its so flattering to know there is such a large contingent of communists like you out to do all the can to disparage my blog. Warms the cockles of my heart it does, to know how much it bothers you. If it weren’t for your and your comrade’s obvious concerns, I might start to think I was achieving SFA.

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  106. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Bruv, you’re a worthless prick for destroying every thread on every other blog with your pointless self absorbed shit. Farrar’s a fool to tolerate it.

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  107. big bruv (13,718 comments) says:

    Redbaiter.

    If you stopped chasing me all over Kiwiblog then all this shit could stop right now.

    Sadly it seems you are obsessed with me for some reason, tell you what, here is a deal that even you cannot refuse.

    Just answer these two questions and I promise never to reply to any of your mindless abuse again.

    1. What “lowly Ford” were you dumb enough to pay more than retail for?
    2. Name one thing you have achieved in your ten year war?

    There you go…..so how about it Russell?

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  108. James Stephenson (2,152 comments) says:

    The UK. (amazing drivers, they let you in, stay in the right lanes and do not have 80 year old fools from Tauranga on the road)

    A fair enough description if you stick to motorways between the hours of 9.30 and 4.30, when it’s mostly truckies and high mileage “professional” drivers (sales reps) who know what they’re doing. Rush hours, weekends and get-away-for-the holidays days and you see all the familiar problems…we just had 80 year old fools from Bournmouth instead.

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  109. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    a much better proposition than all those young boys in your underwater hockey team.

    Extra kinks! I knew this thread needed something. Your imagination is truly a most fertile wonderland baiter.

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  110. infused (654 comments) says:

    Yes, it does work.

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  111. rimu (48 comments) says:

    ahhh Redbaiter vs big bruv. It’s a match made in heaven

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  112. adze (2,105 comments) says:

    “Yeah, if you’re going to slag http://www.pandasport.com

    I got a script exploit warning going to that site…

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  113. dime (9,849 comments) says:

    adze – youre safe. it always has that!

    try this:

    http://www.pandasport.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=1&PN=1

    just the front page is dodgy

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  114. dad4justice (8,137 comments) says:

    “ahhh Redbaiter vs big bruv. It’s a match made in heaven”

    Indeed, a man of principle versus a dropkick cowardly homosexual disturbed nut case cab driver.
    Bring on the angels.
    TAB has red as hot favourite and bullshit blouse paying $2 million. dime is paying STD evens.

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  115. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Yeah go there and marvel at the intellectual depth of the conversations adze. You can guess what it might be like from the quality of Bruv’s contributions to Kiwiblog. Its an intellectual desert of clapped out cabbies and talkback radio addicts.

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  116. campit (467 comments) says:

    There’s no need for passing lanes. The latest research in the US suggests that gridlock can be eliminated by simply honking your car’s horn:

    http://www.theonion.com/video/tired-of-traffic-a-new-dot-report-urges-drivers-ho,14144/

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  117. Rex Widerstrom (5,349 comments) says:

    BB:

    Agree with you re Canada and somewhat with you re the UK (though as James Stephenson says, it depends on the time you’re on the road a bit). Haven’t driven in the US.

    But Europe?!!? Italy?! Portugal?! Greece?!… etc etc. They’d do better blinfolded. And possibly drunk (though I suspect most of them are) as it might dull their aggressive tendencies.

    And Australia, well… there seems to be a wide variation. I spent only a few weeks driving in Brisbane but they were fairly courteous, yes. Sydney is just insane… many don’t want to be homicidal but decades of Labor governments have screwed infrastructure to such a degree that if they don’t kill you they’ll die of old age before they get to the office. I swear a Sydney nun on a Vespa would cut off a road train on the M1 to get to vespers on time.

    Melbourne seems okay. Perth, on the other hand… I was side swiped by a car at a merge point on the freeway and we were the only two cars on the road (it was early morning). And that was one of my better experiences…

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  118. Johnboy (16,059 comments) says:

    The city fathers of Wainuiomata (all hail to them) built a huge double lane, island divided main thoroughfare to the valley back in the fifties. Obviously men of vision you would say.

    Since then the Hutt City traffic engineers, (Headed by a certain “Wayne King” :), Think about it. :)), have slowly but surely reduced it to a small narrow gauge track by expending huge annual sums in painting utterly confusing markings all over it and laying protrouding bricks and signs for the drunks to aim for every Friday and Saturday night.

    Thus they have made it a paradise for the wankers (sorry I meant to say masturbators DPF :)) who drive at 40K occupying the whole remaining small area of the road left for motorists.

    No wonder our rates bills are so bloody astronomical. When are we going to go through these pathetic, bloody old boys networks that find useless employment in the multitudinous councils and quangos that this poor bankrupt, banana republic is infested with.

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  119. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    This is where our road designers got their experience

    http://www.google.com/images?oe=utf-8&q=worlds+most+dangerous+roads&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=u2QQTZe5G4W8sQOy-eWnAg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDkQsAQwAw&biw=1280&bih=546

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  120. Johnboy (16,059 comments) says:

    Tell me that’s Trev! Please! Please!

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://yearlongbreakup.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/worlds-most-dangerous-road-34.jpg&imgrefurl=http://yearlongbreakup.wordpress.com/photo-gallery/bolivia/the-worlds-most-dangerous-road/olympus-digital-camera-23/&usg=__Y2h7GvxzjDVauwMhxeR244ZzpZk=&h=480&w=640&sz=505&hl=en&start=139&zoom=1&tbnid=NK5vUQS35LO6-M:&tbnh=142&tbnw=180&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dworlds%2Bmost%2Bdangerous%2Broads%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1507%26bih%3D803%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C3648&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=652&vpy=238&dur=32&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=132&ty=123&ei=lWUQTZu7CpKisAOb6dThCg&oei=Z2UQTcGpII62sAOqh-2ACg&esq=5&page=6&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:139&biw=1507&bih=803

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  121. swan (665 comments) says:

    “The roads in NZ are fucking disgraceful. End of story.” You are such a socialist redbaiter, sitting there expecting the government to provide you with good roads.

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  122. Atheist1 (174 comments) says:

    Far out. In case any of you were in doubt, by his comments on this thread, Redbaiter has just confirmed what a nasty, nutty old man he really is! Keep on with the revolution Reddy, it’s really working for ya LOL

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