Is this a leadership coup?

January 28th, 2011 at 11:41 am by David Farrar

Patrick Gower blogs at 3 News that he belives ’s “Plan A” is in fact to take over the Maori Party.

Hone Harawira clearly wants to take over the Maori Party. It was the signs outside his “disciplinary hearing” saying “Hone’s the Man!” and “change the leadership!” that gave the game away. …

Harawira’s been peddling a “I don’t have the tact and diplomacy to be leader, I’m an activist to my bones” line. That language shifted this week. In my one-on-one interview on Wednesday where he referred to John Key as a “smiling assassin”, Harawira refused to rule out taking the leadership if called upon by the Maori Party support base.

I tend to agree with Gower, that this is what Harawira wants. In his own way he is trying to do a Winston  constantly white-ant your colleagues to build up your own popularity, and then try to use that popularity to force his way into the leadership.

But like with Winston, it may not work as he wants it to.

Then there is of course the “change the leaders sign” at the hui yesterday. They’re obviously for Harawira. He claimed on Morning Report this morning that he didn’t know the signs were there. I burst out laughing: I watched his brother Tai get them out of a Harawira emblazoned vehicle, and put them up under instructions from their mum, Titewhai.

I think that says a huge amount.

Of course Harawira could get kicked out. This may not come to pass – but it doesn’t mean its not Harawira’s plan; I’m sure he wants to stay in. However, the party may decide he is becoming too dangerous and get rid of him. Obviously he would go out in a blaze of glory and win as an independent. So what of this “Left party”? It would dilute his goals for Maori, be hard to set up. The Maori party has the infrastructure, the brand, the membership and the history he wants. I’d say independent would be the Plan B – with a comeback in time still on the cards.

If Gower is correct in his analysis, then it is more likely they will kick Harawira out. Otherwise they risk being stabbed by him again and again.

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58 Responses to “Is this a leadership coup?”

  1. Mr Robert Black (145 comments) says:

    He has never won a seat in his life.

    One vote one person.

    I think that is what is defined as democracy, last time I checked.

    Not, one vote, OK bro and cuz you get me in OK, hehe.

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  2. anonymouse (651 comments) says:

    +1 on the Being kicked out,

    This has gone beyond something a “its hone being hone” can excuse, He has challenged the mana of both the co-leaders and the party president, and if they back down they will simply look weak, he is backing them into a corner, where they will have to punish him severely which will boost his profile.

    I think that the timing of all this being just before all the politicians and media conduct their annual traipse to Waitangi is more than co-incidental too..

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  3. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Who would Hone have as the party president. His mum?

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  4. 3-coil (1,182 comments) says:

    “Grand Duke” Hone is definitely the most rabid racist in the Maori party – so by definition he is the most well qualified to lead this race-based party. He also seems to have broad support among their racist supporters, so he must back himself to go for the top job.

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  5. Bob R (1,250 comments) says:

    Hopefully he takes over and helps National/Labour realise the race based seats are inappropriate under MMP.

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  6. nasska (9,475 comments) says:

    This is simply the “have” class of Maori vs the “have nots”. No raced based party will ever be sufficiently Catholic to represent more than 50% of their constituents. Maori have, despite the rhetoric, always been divided by tribe & caste….. what we are witnessing is just another fission.

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  7. tvb (3,937 comments) says:

    I doubt Harawera has the organisational skills to set up a Party but there are people around who do-BUT could they work with Harawera. Yes he might want to take over the Leadership but again he has no leadership skills except to be another Winston. The comparison with Winston is an apt one. Does the Labour Party want to work with Harawera. No thank you, they would really scare off the middle NZ supporters.

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  8. AaronWH () says:

    What a disgrace. Yet another excuse for the Maori Party to overlook addressing Maoridom’s real problems.

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  9. kunst5 (51 comments) says:

    Maori Party and National forming a coalition was stupid and only a matter of time to find out, which party is going to be destroyed first. There is more to come – just wait.

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  10. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    what’s that sayin .. a death by a thousand cuts .. something like that. The MParty need to tell him to piss off, end of story.
    John then needs to decide to be a shit stiring independant MP or a shit stirring activist. Just make a decision.
    he is the new Chris Carter

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  11. Pongo (356 comments) says:

    You can see the hand of Matt McCartten behind these shenanigans, cleverly done as always. Does he have that much support up North, what will he achieve by going solo and how many elections will it take for his constituents to realize hitching to Hones skirts aint going to deliver for them.

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  12. KH (686 comments) says:

    Is not Mum the one convicted for assault on mental health patients supposedly in her care. There were family involved in that affair if I remember. What was Hones role in that disgustin affair? Does anybody have any long memory or reference for that one.

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  13. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    >He claimed on Morning Report this morning that he didn’t know the signs were there. I burst out laughing: I watched his brother Tai get them out of a Harawira emblazoned vehicle, and put them up under instructions from their mum, Titewhai.

    Finally… a less competent coup attempt than Chris Carter’s!

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  14. big bruv (12,321 comments) says:

    Please let the stories of Hone taking over the apartheid party be true, if that were ever to happen the Maori party would cease to have any influence at all.

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  15. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    I happen to support a Hone bid for Maori Party leadership, and welcome such proposals.

    I have spoken to Maori activists across the Auckland region and almost all of them feel that the current leadership is both incompetent and self-motivated. Collective Maori interests are being neglected in this coalition deal with National, and initiatives to discourage Maori welfare dependence and crime have taken the back seat to land compensation and strategic planning with other partners in the coalition.

    Hone is more likely to raise these concerns, and less likely to conform to political pressure to do otherwise. His leadership is probably more credible amongst your ordinary Maori voter.

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  16. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    Yes the mother was convicted back in the 80′s for assaulting patients in her care. Infact she used to beat the shit out of them. She ran some sort of maori only clinic in Auckland looking after her lot. She’s a p.o.s. Runs in the family Im afraid. Another son , Arthur from memory is a convicted robber. With the harawira’s, hone is the puppet, titiwhai has her hand up his arse …yes mum , no mum…

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  17. Manolo (12,614 comments) says:

    His leadership is probably more credible amongst your ordinary Maori voter.

    Should we take that seriously? If so, it’s a catastrophic indictment on the Maori voters. :-)

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  18. KH (686 comments) says:

    Titiwhai did jail time for that, because it was so serious? Was that correct ? Where was Hone in that one ?

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  19. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    Sorry cant remember if she was chucked in the clink.

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  20. kowtow (6,685 comments) says:

    I wish Hone all the best if he can engineer a coup.

    The Nats can then rue the day they got into bed with the party based on the seats they claim to want abolished!

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  21. PinkGina (95 comments) says:

    “He (Hone) simply doesn’t know how to back down…”

    Well he’ll get the boot, its that simple, become an indepenant which will split the maori vote and goodbye pork pie

    What an idiot

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  22. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Here is an extract from a speech Phil Goff made in parliament in 1999. Sums up the Harawira’s well IMO. Compared to the others, Hone seems like an angel.

    “At Waitangi they wanted the image of Mrs Shipley as the Prime Minister of reconciliation, of healing. There she was, walking arm in arm with Titewhai Harawira, hand in hand, side by side. The memory of the public is not that short. The public remembers what Mrs Harawira and her family represent. She is a woman convicted of assault, a woman convicted of using vicious and violent action against a person committed into psychiatric care.

    The public will remember that it was Arthur Harawira who attacked the actor on Cheltenham beach with a taiaha. The public will remember that it was Hinewhare Harawira who spat at the Governor-General in 1995, and last week the public saw her on television assaulting a Maori warden. “

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  23. BlairM (2,265 comments) says:

    Harawira will never lead the Maori Party – Northern Maori like him, but he will not win over the Maori Party in the rest of the country. He cannot get support nationwide. He will end up as an independent who will have the Te Tai Tokerau seat for life.

    It’s a shame, because if the Maori Party pull out of their C&S, ACT and National could abolish the Maori seats as revenge. That would be awesome.

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  24. Manolo (12,614 comments) says:

    Thank you, Rodders.
    Confirmation that scum begets scum.

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  25. Christopher Thomson (374 comments) says:

    Titewhai Harawira was in charge of the Maori health unit known as the whare paia at Carrington hospital, Auckland. Otere Halkyard, Hinewhare Harawira, Tui Pere and Arthur George Harawira worked there at the whare paia. Charles Matthews was there as a committed patient. Titewhai Harawira was charged with two counts of injuring Matthews with intent to injure him and one of threatening to kill him. Otere Halkyard, Hinewhare Harawira, and Tui Pere were charged on the same two counts of injuring with intent to injure and Arthur George Harawira on the second of those counts. Following a 12 day trial in the District Court at Auckland they were all found guilty on the charges they respectively faced and on conviction were sentenced to imprisonment, Mrs Titewhai Harawira to nine months and each of the other to six months.

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  26. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    When the Maori Party first formed it was with great fanfare, now there was a Maori voice that spoke for the Maori people. What utter and total rot. The Maori Party have proven themselves no different from any other section in society, they don’t speak for all, they stab each other in the back, they all have their own agendas, they are like the rest of NZ. But they perhaps have one difference, supporters of Hone are now reverting to their true beliefs calling for a total rejection of the Pakeha way ( Maori Party ) and now believe “might is right”. They should be careful for what they wish for, not all sections of NZ society will cow-tow to these bullies.

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  27. s.russell (1,486 comments) says:

    So what happens now?

    a) the Maori Party tries to paper over the gaping fissures. Any formula for doing this that Harawira would accept would give him licence to keep white-anting his colleagues, decrease their mana and increase the prospects of him ultimately taking over.

    b) Harawira gets expelled or c) Harawira walks. Harawira would of course paint it as the former, whatever the truth might be. And what would he do then?

    I think it unlikely that Harawira would team up with McCarten et al. It would be an extraordinary hypocrisy given his anti-Pakeha Maori-nationalist stance. He would risk being seen as selling out, dumping Maori colleagues like Turia to jump in bed with Pakeha.

    As far as I can tell from a distance, he would certainly win Te Tai Tokerau. But would he try to set up a rival Maori Party and go for other Maori seats as well? What would result from that?

    Turia, Sharples and Flavell would probably be safe from any challenge by any Harawirista – they have huge mana and majorities. Katene’s majority is much smaller, though her electorate is furthest from Harawira’s heartland and probably least susceptible to his line. The danger is not losing to him, but splitting the Maori Party vote and letting Labour win the seat back.

    The big problem is longer term. Turia and Sharples won’t be around forever. The Harawiristas would then have their opportunity. (Labour is also thinking long term by putting up Shane Jones in Tamaki Makaurau, not to win in 2011, but to position him for when Sharples retires.) Flavell would then be isolated.

    So in the medium term there would be a three-way fight in the Maori seats between Labour, the moderate nationalist MP and the ultra-nationalistic Harawiristas. Who would be the ultimate winners from this? I don’t know the answer but I doubt it will be ordinary Maori themselves.

    As Pongo asks: How many elections will it take tor his constituents to realize hitching to Hones skirts aint going to deliver for them? The MP has delivered big time for Maori. And for the MP, the alternative to backing National was sitting on the opposition backbenches making speeches and making no difference to anything in the real world.

    Alas, I am not optimistic that huge numbers of Maori will see things the same way. It’s much more fun to play the victim and complain about everything than to get off your backside and do some hard work to achieve things in reality.

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  28. Pete George (21,796 comments) says:

    They should be careful for what they wish for, not all sections of NZ society will cow-tow to these bullies.

    It seems like the rest of the Maori Party is not keen on them either, time will tell whether they stand up or roll over.

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  29. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    The following was sent to the Northern Advocate as well as Leighton Smith. Leighton knows this guy and accepts his word. That is why he read the letter and posted it on his website. I heard a later caller say that Hone was in a car with his with wife and in a incident of road rage got out of his car and kicked a car that was impeding his progress. As Leighton did not know the caller like the letter writer he said he would have to give Hone the benefit of the doubt and say it may have been a case of mistaken identity. This was fair enough.

    However, in general I find it appalling that the MSM treats Harawira and Garrett so differently. I know Hone’s mother was convicted of bashing up mental health patients. I am not sure if Hone was also convicted. Maybe someone remembers.

    I hope the blogs do some research on the likes of Hone.

    Lunch with Hone – as broadcast Jan 28, 2011

    I am writing to express my disappointment and disgust with the foul language used by a sitting MP in a family restaurant in the presence of children.

    On Wednesday 19 January my wife and I dropped by the Bank Street McDonald’s in Whangarei for a quick lunch. While we were eating, a group of people, including Hone Harawira sat down at the table next to us and we were only separated by a thin partition.

    While everyone else at the table spoke quietly to each other or made discrete cellphone calls, Mr Harawira carried on a loud, basically one-sided discussion with a woman across the table.

    The only voice we could hear was that of Mr Harawira and his frequent use of “f” words, as well as the even cruder language he used to describe someone he referred to as “Helen Keys.”

    If Mr Harawira wants to carry on like that in his own home or on his marae, then that’s his business. But my wife and I don’t appreciate being subjected to his loudmouthed and totally inappropriate crudity in a public place and don’t think the children who were in the restaurant at the time should be subjected to it either.

    Let Mr Harawira be a “legend in his own lunchtime,” not in ours.

    Kind regards,

    Senior Citizen
    Tutukaka Coast

    http://www.leightonsmith.co.nz/story/2011/01/28/lunch-hone-broadcast-jan-28-2011.html

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  30. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    Without the Maori Party Hone is castrated. Maori are fiercly tribal and his mana is non existent outside Northland.

    The Maori Party itself is being carried by the virtues and academic prestige of Pita Sharples.

    There is not going to be a Maori version of the Act Party thriving to any degree of success in parliament.

    Act and the Greens are crumbling anyway. I think the public revolted in an underlying current to the treatment of Sue Bradford by the party. She took them to the mountaintop with the anti smacking bill and they dissed her in teh same manner as the NZRU did to Graham Hart when he won the world cup. In a strange sort of way I think the electorate picked up on the connotations and abandoned the Greens.

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  31. KH (686 comments) says:

    Thank you Christopher Thompson for that precision. So Hone was not there.
    However we continue to see the unrepentant arrogrance as they suck on the public tit.

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  32. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    ‘Helen Key’

    Absolutely spot on.

    Who can forget John Key holding Helen’s hand over the anti smacking bill. It was obvious they were both following instructions by their UN over lord’s. Now look where Helen is.

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  33. trout (865 comments) says:

    The most interesting issue to come out of the Hawawira lovefest in the North was the direction to Hone that he hit the road and gain support for his agenda amongst Maori party voters in the rest of the country. Over the years it has become apparent (and we are reminded of it every Feb. 6) that Ngapuhi has a bunch of separatist hotheads that are encouraged to spout their venom every Waitangi Day in front of an uncritical press and seemingly impotent politicians. The attendant publicity exaggerates their importance; it is doubtful that either Ngapuhi or Hone have the respect of other Maori; Hone has to change this if he is to challenge the Maori party leadership.

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  34. PaulL (5,774 comments) says:

    I’d be interested in what the mental patient did to warrant the threats and assault. I can certainly imagine in another context, with a bit more detail, many on here saying “the bugger deserved it – why did the government prosecute someone who was just defending themselves.” Not saying that’s what happened, just what I see above of the details leaves that open as a possibility. Yes, they’re feral, but I won’t judge them for that particular assault without a bit more detail.

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  35. Manolo (12,614 comments) says:

    Who can forget John Key holding Helen’s hand over the anti smacking bill.

    The words of a true weasel in April 2007. Conveniently forgotten once elected.

    Accept anti-smacking bill is flawed says Key

    National Party Leader John Key says backers of the anti-smacking bill need to accept that the way the bill is currently drafted will make it illegal to use light smacking for the purposes of correction.

    “I will not support a bill that leaves otherwise good parents at the mercy of the police and the judiciary.

    “The Greens and Labour now have an opportunity to get closer to the public they serve, by agreeing they’ve got a major problem with the current wording.”

    “But there’s no point in proceeding unless Sue Bradford and Helen Clark will accept that light smacking for the purposes of correction will be illegal under their proposals.

    “If Labour really believes that ‘light smacking for the purposes of correction’ will not be outlawed, then they need to explain that. But no matter how you read this bill in its present form it will be illegal to ‘lightly smack for the purposes of correction’.

    “For me, a result that sees the criminalisation of parents for a light smack is simply not on the table.”

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  36. KH (686 comments) says:

    Re PaulL at 2:26 pm
    What happened at Whare Paia was not an isolated physical incident that went wrong. This family took over a treatment unit. Were not challenged by the PC brigade of health professionals and there was a prolonged operation of fear and intimidation perpetrated on clients.
    There were extended atrocities over many months, conducted by a family out of control, who to a certain extent intimidated the authorities who gave them this role. They made a lot of money out of it too.
    It is to the eventual credit of our justice system and others who bought this back under control. However it remains that anybody in the Health System who challenges Maori hegemony will likely soon be out of a job.

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  37. Christopher Thomson (374 comments) says:

    PaulL, first a taster of what the sentencing judge said about the assault

    In his remarks of sentencing he described the first assault as “a vicious and violent attack upon this helpless and pathetic man … This merciless beating of a patient by those who were entrusted with his care was inexcusable and reprehensible in the extreme.” He also accepted that the second assault constituted a serious beating, and that Mrs Harawira instigated and was a party to both of them. He found aggravating circumstances in the hospital situation, the position of care and responsibility held by the assailants and the helplessness of the victim. He described the offences as an arrogant and frightening use of authority and power.

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  38. Christopher Thomson (374 comments) says:

    Charles Matthews
    Matthews, who was 34 or 35, had been in mental institutions for some 18 years. The psychiatric evidence before the jury was that his condition was diagnosed as organic personality syndrome, a mental condition which is the result of a physical injury to the brain resulting in disturbances of personality particularly, although no exclusively, in the area of impulse control. His record showed a number of assaults on staff members and on himself. He had problems with impulse control, and while he had some idea of legal right and wrong he did not discern moral right and wrong.

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  39. Christopher Thomson (374 comments) says:

    About 31 March 1988 the subject of sexual harassment of staff by mental patients was discussed at a staff meeting and Mrs Harawira told the staff members that the women would give the patient a hiding — the male staff would have to leave the building. A day or two later she went overseas, returning to Auckland on the morning of 14 April. On about 6 April, and while she was away, Matthews indecently assaulted a nurse in the whara paia. The same night, and in retaliation, he was apparently beaten by a male staff member but no one has been charged in respect of that incident.

    The Crown case stated that on the afternoon of Thursday 14 April over a period of about 30 minutes the four women charged assaulted Matthews. Women staff members of the whara paia were called to a meeting, Matthews was sitting huddled there, Hinewhare Harawira grabbed Matthews and started to punch him, and the other two women, that is other than Titewhai Harawira, joined in punching and kicking him.

    A witness gave in evidenc; “Every time Charlie moaned because of being hurt they would punch him in the mouth and ask him what he is moaning for. I am saying they the three of them did that. They would jump actually really jump on him till Charlie could hardly move and at that particular time they would ask Charlie who would he touch up next. Charlie would in between his groans would mention a name and they got heavy on him again beating him up. Eventually there was a little stop there, they stopped for a little while. I remember very plainly Hinewhare put her shoulder out of its socket and she just sat down on the same settee where Charlie sat. She was very very aggressive at that time. I can still more or less hear her saying if I had a knife I would f … ing kill him. She was so ropable. What happened after that … I felt because of what she was saying the others jumped back on Charlie again repeatedly asking who is your next choice. Every time Charlie mentioned more names they would kick him in the groin punch him in the head anywhere at all and finally I cannot be sure who asked of a certain incident that Charlie touched up another name he mentioned they got more aggressive with their beating Charlie up. Of course during that time Charlie mentioned that he also had Titewhai’s two grandchildren on his list to be touched up. At those particular names Titewhai walked out of the room. While she was out of the room the beating still went on.

    At this stage Charlie’s face was so swollen he could just peep out of one eye more so and he could just speak from the corner of his mouth his face was so swollen. The beating and kicking would stop now and again and when Mrs Harawira came back from wherever she went she went straight to Charlie and he said to her pull him up, she said to him okay Charlie why didn’t you pick on me. You and I would have a wonderful time together and she grabbed him by the testicles and his penis and twisted them and pulled them. Because Charlie was trying to protect himself two of the staff went to help Mrs Harawira by each one holding Charlie’s arms like that. Every time Charlie moaned they slapped him in the face and asking him why is he moaning and I guess it went on for a little while and eventually Mrs Harawira said to Charlie this is what is going to happen to you again in the morning. With that she pushed him down and he slumped down on the floor in the middle of a pool of blood. Charlie could hardly see or talk, his pyjamas and his robe were completely shredded, they were all ripped and Mrs Harawira called Arthur in to come and drag him out. So Arthur just came in grabbed Charlie and dragged him out. ”

    Evidence from Dr McGeorge read:
    “I saw that Charles, rather than simply having a black eye, actually had massive injuries to both eyes and to his jaw to the extent that his eyes were virtually closed, his jaw was misshapen and swollen and I felt that he had suffered considerable injuries. What side of his jaw was it that was affected? The left side of the jaw seemed to be sunken in. The most outstanding feature was the contusions present and the considerable swelling of the tissues around both eyes. I also noticed that there was a straw coloured fluid seeping from his right ear which made me wonder in view of his other injuries whether he had suffered a skull fracture sufficient to release cerebral spinal fluid that covers the brain into the ear. ”

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  40. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,664 comments) says:

    Blair, for once I’m entirely in agreement with you.

    It is laughable to think for a moment the big business interests of Tainui, Te Arawa, Ngai Tahu or Ngati Porou, to name a few, will have a bar of this ratbag and his despicable family from the swamps of Awanui.

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  41. Christopher Thomson (374 comments) says:

    Just think about all this next time you see her and any of that family cuddled up at Waitangi Day – which might explain in part why I resent all the celebrations we come up with.

    And I have very clear memories of the Harawira family and their behaviour from back in the 80′s at Waitangi.

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  42. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    what filthy scum the harawiras are…I just about chundered reading all of that.

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  43. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    “what filthy scum the harawiras are…I just about chundered reading all of that.”

    I totally agree and I use my real name.

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  44. Shazzadude (466 comments) says:

    “Harawira will never lead the Maori Party – Northern Maori like him, but he will not win over the Maori Party in the rest of the country. He cannot get support nationwide. He will end up as an independent who will have the Te Tai Tokerau seat for life.”

    I wouldn’t be so quick to make that presumption. Ngapuhi are not just found in the north. Ngapuhi are by population the biggest iwi in not just Te Tai Tokerau, but also Tamaki Makaurau, Hauraki-Waikato and Te Tai Hauauru, and the second biggest iwi by population in Waiariki and Te Tai Tonga. I could see someone like Tame Iti under a “Hone” party banner taking Waiariki, and a “Hone” party candidate splitting the vote in other electorates in favour of Labour.

    If Hone gets booted out, of the remaining Maori MPs only Tariana is safe IMO. A “Hone” party could also cash in on the party vote Maori tactically give to Labour and earn list MPs.

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  45. Bob R (1,250 comments) says:

    ***It’s a shame, because if the Maori Party pull out of their C&S, ACT and National could abolish the Maori seats as revenge. That would be awesome.***

    I thought they were going to abolish them anyway? Why haven’t they?

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  46. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    ACT would be happy to. You will have to ask Key.

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  47. Bob R (1,250 comments) says:

    ***ACT would be happy to. You will have to ask Key.***

    Yes, well it’s a shame there’s no one in National with the integrity of Hone Harawira to call the leadership to account on that issue.

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  48. PaulL (5,774 comments) says:

    OK, given that detail, then they’re out of control. But – this guy was sexually assaulting staff? And the staff decided to give him a taste of his own medicine?

    Clearly the assault was ridiculously over the top, and the guy was, after all, a mental patient. Clearly a breakage of duty of care. But the guy isn’t blameless either.

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  49. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Let us not forget that Arthur and Hinewhare Harawira, jailed for six months for their part in the assault, had their sentences extended for assaulting a Maori elder, Bob Curtis, at a marae.

    Harawira’s = deranged and violent trash. As a police warning would say, they “should not be approached.”

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  50. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    “But the guy isn’t blameless either.”

    Paul, what are your mental health qualifications or experience?

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  51. KH (686 comments) says:

    to PaulL
    Please understand that this was not an isolated thing. There was a whole environment there.
    Harawira arrogance continues and you can see it on your telly.
    These things happen, not because they know it is the wrong thing and still do it. But because they know they are always right.
    Such people are dangerous anywhere, and especially in politics.

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  52. PaulL (5,774 comments) says:

    Hmm. Yes, sounds bad.

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  53. tvb (3,937 comments) says:

    I agree that if the Maori Party becomes radicalised and effectively taken over by the Haraweras then the National Party and the Labour Party would move to abolish the Maori seats and then crush the Haraweras.

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  54. kiwi in america (2,321 comments) says:

    Sharples and Turia are pretty sharp politicians. Their pragmatism was evident in their decision to enter into coalition with National not just for the baubles of office but a chance to dictate real policy change. They know that what Key’s government has delivered for Maori is about as good as it gets in a NZ that is 81% white and under MMP. They also know that Hone has little mana outside of Ngapuhi and the north and that the anctics of the Harawiris over time are not widely supported by all of Maoridom. There is a small radical group in the Maori Party who will be agitating for this as they see the leadership as selling out to the largely white National Party.

    I’d be very surprised if he remains in the party. The Maori Party got burned by poor process last time Hone caused trouble so they are moving IMHO cautiously to oust him from the party. Mai Chen doesn’t come cheap so hiring her sends a signal that they mean business. Don’t forget she helped ACT successfully oust another troubled Maori MP with an activist past and a penchent for media grandstanding – Donna Awatere-Huata.

    Whether Hone links up with McCarten/Bradford et al in a new hard left party is a 50/50 call. The most likely outcome is going alone as an Independent in Te Tai Tokerau – a seat he’d be very likely to hold. I have no doubt that his ambition is to take over the Maori Party but that would provoke an all out intra Party war that Sharples/Turia and a majority of the Party’s ruling council will do all in their power to avoid. I’m picking a very messy ousting with all kinds of Maori Party activists who support Hone resigning very publicly in disgust.

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  55. KevinH (1,128 comments) says:

    Full credit to Hone for demonstrating that the level of support for him in Te Tai Tokerau is strong, certainly amongest the Harawira whanau who were there in numbers. From an observers perspective it would be not unreasonable to assume that the Harawiras’ are mounting a takeover of Te Tai Tokerau and possibly in a wider context with support from like minded maori , the Maori Party itself.
    Hone Harawira is playing a dangerous game, splitting the Maori vote. There will those who will support him and those that won’t. At risk is the credibility of the Maori Party, a takeover would certainly spell it’s end politically thereby suffocating Maori discourse.
    Politics is not a game of sentiment, it has a hard and often sharp edge that cuts the slow and dimwitted.

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  56. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Cool subliminal dogwhistle in this one. Harawari …. Maori …. Stab…. (DPF sez word choice and the imagery it invokes is not important) stab … stab … Maaari. lolz.

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  57. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    ….. Fascism seeks to convince the lower to middle class to vote against their own economic interests, therefore it must elevate the aesthetic above the rational. Now think about how this applies to the US and the National Party. OMG. Do i hear any pennies dropping?

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  58. BlairM (2,265 comments) says:

    ….. Fascism seeks to convince the lower to middle class to vote against their own economic interests, therefore it must elevate the aesthetic above the rational. Now think about how this applies to the US and the National Party. OMG. Do i hear any pennies dropping?

    Fascism doesn’t try to convince anybody – it holds a gun to your head and tells you to do what it wants. I’m not sure where you get your bizarre definition from.

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