Kedgley attacks Key for calling Liz Hurley hot

January 30th, 2011 at 8:14 am by David Farrar

Oh dear. How dare a man, let alone the PM, say that Liz Hurley is “hot”. Next he’ll be hosting “bunga-bunga” parties like Silvio.

Sunday News reports:

Proving he’s a typical Kiwi bloke Key said that if he could be any sporting star he’d be an All Blacks captain but added he wouldn’t mind taking a swing at being Tiger Woods either.

“Obviously for the money I would be Tiger Woods. You get paid a truckload of money,” he said, adding “there are other benefits that clearly come with the job” too.

The conversation took a sexy turn after Veitch asked the jovial PM if he’d like to be love-rat Warnie. “Yeah, well given his current liaisons with Liz Hurley,” Key said.

“I like Liz Hurley actually. I reckon she is hot.”

And he is also an Brangelina fan:

He later said Sin City star “Jessica Alba looked pretty hot” despite her latest movie, Little Fockers, being “rubbish” and that Brad Pitt’s squeeze, Angelina Jolie “is not too bad” either. While Key’s comments might have been well received by Radio Sport’s predominantly male audience, they didn’t impress veteran MP and women’s rights campaigner .

The four-term Green MP, who will stand down at the upcoming election, said Key’s comments were boorish and unbecoming of a prime minister. …

“They do seem a little bit 1960s comments, rather than what you [would] expect in the 21st century.”

I suppose Key should have said that Angelina was aesthetically pleasing or something, to comply with Sue’s demands.

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87 Responses to “Kedgley attacks Key for calling Liz Hurley hot”

  1. Mr Robert Black (145 comments) says:

    All the best leaders are poon-dogs.

    The males that is.

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  2. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The same Sue Kedgley, confessed Luddite and former parasitic Green MP, who as a feminist stormed all-male bars and shocked with her frankness saying: “it’s not your penis we’ve been envying all these years, but your freedom”.

    When she had a brief romance with Kofi Annan, later Secretary General, did she find him hot or not?

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  3. Michael (903 comments) says:

    Kedgley has the sex appeal [deleted by DPF], and the amazing ability to condemn everyone who thinks different to her. For me, that puts her into the least attractive 1% of people.

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  4. Inventory2 (10,245 comments) says:

    Wasn’t it Sue Kedgley upon whom Loosehead Len based his character Susan of Herne Bay? Where did it all go wrong?

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  5. northern (44 comments) says:

    Ironic that Kedgley and her twin sister both entered beauty pageants in their youth….

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  6. gravedodger (1,541 comments) says:

    How out of touch is the [abuse deleted by DPF - demerits in future].
    Hello Sue, it is 2011 and J K is a smart, live, aware kiwi bloke and not a constipated asexual robot.
    Just slip out the back door and don’t let it hit your arse on the way.
    There is an obvious reason you didn’t make the list, boorish be buggered.

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  7. big bruv (13,655 comments) says:

    Sue who?

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  8. DRHILL (121 comments) says:

    But hang on, wasn’t there a sexual revolution in the 1960’s?
    So it’s OK to come out and say your Bisexual / Transexual / Gay / Lesbian / Other but not OK to say “She looks hot”?

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  9. Monty (974 comments) says:

    I wonder if Kegdley in her younger day minded being called hot (why else enter beauty contests). Of course now she is just an interferring patronising old bat who wants to control all our lives.

    The sooner she pisses off from parliament the better. Fuck off Sue and shut the fuck up – we do not care what you think or say.

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  10. malcolm (2,000 comments) says:

    What’s the PM doing chatting with a wife-beating when NZ is sinking into the shit at the rate of $300m per week and needs some leadership? Oh, he’s campaigning to get re-elected. Marvellous.

    Don’t bother John, you’re next to useless. NZ needs better than John-I-always-thought-it-might-be-fun-to-be-PM-Key

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  11. Fairfacts Media (372 comments) says:

    There might be former Prime Ministers who would agree with John Key that Liz Hurley is hot :)

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  12. Fairfacts Media (372 comments) says:

    I am of course, referring to Jim Bolger :)

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  13. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Manolog said…
    When she had a brief romance with Kofi Annan, later Secretary General, did she find him hot or not?

    Oh, no! Kofi Annan is fuck’n ugly. Any female who got entangled sexually with Kofi Annan in the past must have been desperate, so intoxicated or perhaps blind.

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  14. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Don’t bother John, you’re next to useless. NZ needs better than John-I-always-thought-it-might-be-fun-to-be-PM-Key

    Would you rather have Phil don’t-know-my-arse-from-my-elbow Goff?

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  15. SBY (121 comments) says:

    Key’s lucky Veitch didn’t ask him which celebrities he’d like to push down the stairs and then kick repeatedly.

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  16. Jimbob (641 comments) says:

    At least now we know John Key has plenty of testosterone flowing through his veins. Now if he applies this to Government policy, the country will start to hum.

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  17. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Oh for fuck’s sake, what is wrong with these people? If you can’t notice that Jessica Alba is hot, what’s the point in being alive? 19th century presbyterian wowsers have been reborn as Greens…

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  18. sbk (311 comments) says:

    …should we ask ,Silvio Berlusconi…shit ‘the man’ would have bedded her by now…

    but hey!… are there not more important issues.

    .

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  19. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Good on the greenies, you see you are not allowed an opinion unless they say, its really scary.

    Don’t know about A Jolie though JK too much shitty ink and no arse

    Also evidently, the Australian marxist ginga leader is speaking somewhere this afternoon advocating a capital gains tax, always a sure fired winner, right up there with death duties, you fucking fucking fucking morons

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  20. adze (2,049 comments) says:

    Did she bag Paula Bennett for saying she’d like to have SBW as a manservant?

    Do I really need to check?

    Honestly Sue, 2nd wave feminism is so last-century.

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  21. Grizz (579 comments) says:

    Did I once here that she shagged Tim Shadbolt. Anyone able to substantiate this rumor?

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  22. sbk (311 comments) says:

    …this will get them going…

    Hot Women in Politics..,

    Jacinda Ahern

    Sarah Palin

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  23. Graeme Edgeler (3,279 comments) says:

    And he is also an Brangelina fan

    I didn’t think he mentioned Brad, but if you’ve inside information, I guess we can take your word.

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  24. jaba (2,117 comments) says:

    hope Sue doesn’t burn her bra .. this stupid criticism about JohnK is counter productive. A big reason he is popular isn’t just because he is smart, it’s because he is down to earth, likes rugby (sports in general) drinks beer from a bottle while doing a BBQ and likes hot chicks .. I think Liz is REALLY hot

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  25. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    Has anyone thought that (shock & horror) John Key’s rampant hetrosexuality might be considered threatening to the Greens & Labour. John Clarke could have been describing NZ’s political left when he said that “the women are like men & the blokes are all queer”.

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  26. dime (9,787 comments) says:

    lol i didnt realise we werent allowed to call people hot anymore. my god.

    sue’s world must be a sad little place.

    as for the person who said jacinda adern was hot – is that a piss take?

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  27. Inventory2 (10,245 comments) says:

    Liz Hurley might be hot, but you’d have to question her sanity if she’s prepared to give Warney another chance; him with a cellphone is a trainwreck waiting to happen :-)

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  28. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    it’s very austin powers/les patterson…eh…?

    ‘baaabyyyy..!!!’

    is mrs key chuffed/amused…?…

    ..at johns’ (seemingly enthusiastic) wandering-eye..?

    was key doing his let’s-all-pretend-i’m-just-a-regular-bloke schtick again…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  29. DRHILL (121 comments) says:

    “was key doing his let’s-all-pretend-i’m-just-a-regular-bloke schtick again…?”

    Probably the same as Helen Clark doing her “I’m not a Lesbian, I just don’t live with my husband” schtick.

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  30. starboard (2,498 comments) says:

    typical man hating comment from vinegar tits kedgley…another do-gooder parasite consigned to the shit heap this year.

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  31. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    typical woman-hating comment from negligable-nuts star-bored….

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  32. Lucia Maria (2,250 comments) says:

    I hate to say this, but Sue is right. JK is a married man. Not only would he not colour his hair were his wife to ask him to do so, now he’s noticing and commenting on whether other women are hot.

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  33. Grendel (987 comments) says:

    So married men are blind and cannot distinguish between the relative attractiveness of different women now Lucia?

    maybe yours is just too scared to tell you how hot Liz Hurley is, just to avoid a boring sermon.

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  34. Lucia Maria (2,250 comments) says:

    Grendel, fidelity is mental as well as physical. If a man is noticing and commenting on other women, it does not bode well for his marriage.

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  35. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Has anyone thought that (shock & horror) John Key’s rampant hetrosexuality (sic) might be considered threatening to the Greens & Labour…”

    i’d like to nominate that as funniest-comment-of-the-month…

    ..that image of labour-ites/greens cowering in fear/awe of keys’ rampant heterosexuality …

    …is just too brilliant for words..

    ..try and work it into a t-shirt slogan….

    how about..?

    ‘i’m scared of/by john keys’ rampant heterosexuality..!..

    ..hug me…!..”….

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  36. Christopher Thomson (376 comments) says:

    Hey nasska, I think you will find that John Clarke was talking about the Navy!

    Fairfacts “I am of course, referring to Jim Bolger “, Yeah, Right.

    And JK is going to get a bit of a telling off when he gets home. Basic rule for married men; don’t compliment another woman when the missus might get to hear of it – big fail.

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  37. Christopher Thomson (376 comments) says:

    Oh, on second thoughts; yes you can but you must always add the rider that the missus is the hottest of them all.

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  38. Grizz (579 comments) says:

    It is like a dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t situation. Veitch led Key down a path which was arguably unbecoming of a question to be put to a Prime Minister. Imagine the British PM being asked such a question (Or Helen Clark for that matter). Key would look pompus if he got all offended and refused to answer the question. The fact that Key is not afraid to remind us that he is a red blooded heterosexual is one (possible the only) of his good points. I think John Tamahere got chucked out of Labour for doing just that.

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  39. niggly (813 comments) says:

    I hear what you are saying Lucia and if JK offered those opinions at a PM Press Conference, it would be wiser for JK to say nothing than to say open a can of worms (for the Greens to devour with pleasure) ….. but I think on balance one needs to take into account the situation or context in which JK offered an opinion …. on a sports radio show, the target audience being mainly sporty blokes.

    When in Rome etc. So to have Sue Kedgley getting all prissy in this situation … would be like Sue Kedgley getting all prissy in that situation where former PM Helen Clark donned a hijab at a Musilm conference in Auckland a few years ago …. oh but wait, Sue Kedgley didn’t condemn the sexual stereotyping that Helen condoned. :-)

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  40. Chuck Bird (4,819 comments) says:

    “Grendel, fidelity is mental as well as physical. If a man is noticing and commenting on other women, it does not bode well for his marriage.”

    Lucia, I think that is a long bow to draw. Many happily married men would make a comment privately about a good looking woman. The would also be a few happily women who would make such a comment about a mile movie or sports star.

    However, i think it is rather tacky for a prime minister to make such comments publicly and even more so to say what man he would fanny if he decided to become a homosexual. No criticism from the Green for the earlier comment though.

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  41. niggly (813 comments) says:

    I agree with Grizz at 1.09.

    In the situation that was presented, it would be better for JK to be honest (which he did) than do a Phil Goff (after dying his hair) and clam up and look like a right plonker as a result. What a nerd Phil!

    But as Christopher Thomson states, JK’s only mistake was to not say his wife was the hottest (sometimes us blokes need to pull in our heads before the missus bites it off) :-)

    Anyway, all the MSM media needs to do now is ask Phil Goff the same question and see what his reponse is. :-)

    If he fluff’s it (like the hair dye), he’ll go down several more pegs with all his followers and detractors…

    If he expresses some “blokey-ness” then his poll rating might actually increase (a bit like Kevin Rudd’s did when he admitted to going to a strip club or something)…

    Go on MSM and go on Phil, you are presenting a “blokey” image in the Labour Propaganda mailouts, go show us that you are a bloke and not a wuss in blokes clothing! :-)

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  42. Paulus (2,586 comments) says:

    Love it – well said JK – I agree with you.

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  43. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    If a man is noticing and commenting on other women, it does not bode well for his marriage.

    What planet are you on?
    I’m happily married and my wife doesn’t take offense at my comments regarding pretty women. A true marriage is more than skin-deep.

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  44. Rex Widerstrom (5,342 comments) says:

    Lame but inoffensive answer from Key: The one he gave.

    Appropriate answer: Look Tony, you clearly spend a great deal of time fantasising about women adoring you – and what you’d do to them when they don’t – but I’ve got other things to consider, like [list of current issues].

    Grizz is right – that line of questioning is inappropriate and while no doubt the only thing of interest to Veitch’s knuckle-dragging audience, but a PM should really rise above it. Not in a prissy, Kedgely-like way, but with dignity and (if you can manage it, like Lange could) humour.

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  45. Nigel Kearney (957 comments) says:

    I think Key needs to issue an apology – for not mentioning Scarlet Johanssen.

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  46. Lucia Maria (2,250 comments) says:

    Manolo,

    First wife? And have you asked her if she minds that you notice other women?

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  47. bc (1,360 comments) says:

    Honestly DPF – I’m sure you do it deliberately. Coming up with anything for the redneck women-haters to have a rant about. Talk about throwing the gogs a bone. Sure enough, right on cue, out of the wookwork they come – predictably having a misogynistic rant about Kedgley.
    But that is a diversion. Really it is about our PM, the leader of our country,making some comments that at best could be called tacky but at times come across as just plain sleazy, especially the comments about the “other benefits” of being Tiger Woods. This has got nothing to do with being red-blooded or a heterosexual male – again another diversion. You would expect to hear comments that that a group of guys in a pub or standing around a BBQ. But this is our prime minister on the radio!
    And why would he do an interview with Tony Veitch? Also adds to the yuk factor.

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  48. tvb (4,307 comments) says:

    Sue has been around the block a few times in genteel kind of a way, her fake plummy accent and all. Why at first glance she could even be confused with a kind a sloan ranger “it” girl but that was all such a long time ago. Basically she is white trash like the rest of us.

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  49. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    It’s not so much an offensive comment, but a massively cringe-worthy comment. Like a parent using the word “cool” when talking to their child.

    The most offensive thing about it all is who he is discussing women with. He wouldn’t discuss how “hot” (cringe) women are with the Parnell Panther or Maakiti Tipene – it’s a bad look. But he thinks it’s okay to talk about women he’d like to fuck with a man who will kick a woman on the ground until her back breaks when he throws a tantrum. BAD LOOK.

    I think many women would find this offensive – and not just the Lucia Marias of the country. If his wife had any gumption, John Key would know the real meaning of vasectomy when he gets home tonight.

    And as others have said – stop with the self-promotion and do some work John Key.

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  50. dime (9,787 comments) says:

    lucia – what the hell? lmao

    you must have some serious issues going on if you cat handle the thought of your partner saying someone is hot.

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  51. bc (1,360 comments) says:

    The worst thing is the National party haven’t in the past been very good at getting females to vote for them when compared to males. Just when this was changing, Key puts his foot in it. Yes John, women love hearing about your admiration of Tiger Wood’s affairs with porn stars!

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  52. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Yes, first (and only) wife of many, many years.

    By the tone of your comments Lucia Maria, I can infer that had you been a Muslim you would be proud to wear a full burka, even a niqab, to show your fundamentalism.

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  53. adze (2,049 comments) says:

    I hope anyone here upset by Key’s comments also took offence at Paula Bennett’s stated desire to have SBW on a desert island to collect firewood for her and “to look at”…

    Or is it only men in power who shouldn’t say such things?

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  54. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    I hope anyone here upset by Key’s comments also took offence at Paula Bennett’s stated desire to have SBW on a desert island to collect firewood for her and “to look at”…

    I’m sure they did. Don’t try and pretend there is some kind of hypocrisy here.

    They’re both trashy shitty comments. I don’t care about the sexuality of a married middle-age man, or an overweight bolshy white trash. What she said was gross.

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  55. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    so..in summary..

    john key wd like the perks tiger woods had…

    ..and he really goes for that traditional/old-skool cocktail-waitress/hooker/porn-star look…

    …is this the first time he has shown us his slavering/drooling side…?

    ..and tony veitch…?

    ..he discussed/laughed about this…with tony veitch…

    ..(i hope labour have the audio…to remind the women-voters ..

    ..just how ‘nice’ that ‘nice mr key’ is..

    (he’s gonna catch us up with australia..didn’tyaknow…?..)

    ..that should all help bed-in that swinging female vote….eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  56. dad4justice (8,017 comments) says:

    John Key is only enjoying the kiwi socialist prime minister magic carpet ride that Aunty Helen installed and between the two of them the job could be done heaps better by an earthquake damaged department store mannequin. Shut up dumbo and start creating some growth of the economy you wasted space!

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  57. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Oh piss off tristan, stop trying to get offended

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  58. Lucia Maria (2,250 comments) says:

    By the tone of your comments Lucia Maria, I can infer that had you been a Muslim you would be proud to wear a full burka, even a niqab, to show your fundamentalism.

    Here’s the thing, Manolo.

    Oggling women, other than your wife, opens the door to inappropriate thoughts and desires, which some men will act upon.

    Muslim men solve that problem by making it the woman’s fault, and therefore making her wear a black sheet so that they don’t have to control themselves.

    Western men, typically, have been Christian, and therefore learnt self-control. Which comes, first and foremost in controlling inappropriate thoughts. If they come up, it’s best to ignore them rather than give voice to them, as JK has done.

    As Jesus said, whoever looks at a woman lustfully, has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    Call me a fundamentalist if you like, it doesn’t change the ick factor here, especially since all the Woman’s Day articles we have JK sitting with his wife, talking about them being childhood sweethearts, and now he’s thinking it would be cool to be Tiger Woods, who cheated on his wife with an extraordinary number of hookers. Makes me wonder what he does when his wife is not around.

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  59. malcolm (2,000 comments) says:

    @Bevan

    Would you rather have Phil don’t-know-my-arse-from-my-elbow Goff?

    Of course not. But I don’t subscribe to the idea that we should be thankful for getting the lesser of two crap possible PMs. But you’re right I suppose, hope is merely the prelude to disappointment :-)

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  60. Viking2 (11,334 comments) says:

    Christ you are all getting bloody precious aren’t you.
    JK is Jk and is liked because he is JK and because he is a darn good Kiwi bloke. We had 9 loooong years of twisted female crap from the bilious bitch and her twisted mates after about 10 years of gestation and attempts at mind control and now its our turn to return some nice compliments.

    I have no issue with telling my wife of 40 years she is still hot and I still admire a nice lady but that doesn’t make me a pervert, well not in my mind, it might in yours which indicated to me you have a sick head.

    The GOLDEN RULE is.
    like going shopping; “look but don’t touch”

    Grow up, shut and get on with life.

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  61. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Oh piss off tristan, stop trying to get offended

    How the fuck am I offended? Disgusted? Yep. Disappointed? Definitely. Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

    It actually doesn’t offend many of the males here. It just seems SHIT. Low class. TRASH.

    No-one’s getting precious. But face it, people don’t like your hero Tony Veitch. He’s a arrogant cock.

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  62. George Patton (351 comments) says:

    So let me get this right.

    John Key is vilified by the left for saying Liz Hurley is hot.

    Yet Labour MP Darren Hughes, sitting in Parliament in the middle of a debate, made gestures and offers of willingness to various beauty queens who were visiting Parliament one day.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/columnists/3769906/The-beauty-queens-and-the-most-eligible-bachelor

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  63. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    If you’re still a bit slow put-it-away, my first sentence was: “It’s not so much an offensive comment, but a massively cringe-worthy comment.”

    I’ve got no problem with people saying Jessica Alba is hot. She’s beautiful. Liz Hurley… meh.. some might prefer a BJ from an expensive crackwhore.

    But this is the Prime Minister sounding like some try-hard nerd talking about the “it” girls of 10 years ago to some wife beater! “Heh, Liz Hurley, yeah, Jessica Alba, hehe, he, theeeyy’re hot.” It makes him look about as cool as Don Brash getting onto a row boat. In summary: What a fucking dork.

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  64. ben (2,418 comments) says:

    I’m so hacked off with political correctness that I’ll support anything anybody says, up to and including compliments for Hitler or even Mao, when it excites people like Sue Kedgeley to say its wrong. Quite frankly, Sue, chill out, enjoy what freedom means rather than fight it. Or just fuck off. Either way, I don’t care.

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  65. kiwigunner (230 comments) says:

    Key should be vilified. He is the Prime Minister – first of all he got up in arms about Veitch, calling TVNZ hopeless when it came to light that he viciously beat up his partner and they failed to sack him straight away and now he cuddles up to him discussing such wonderful things as his being envious of Tiger Woods! Hypocrite. Secondly, he has a role in setting standards – he has at a very low bar. Thirdly, I bet his wife loves him going on about who he would like to shag on National Radio – bet his daughter is proud too! Maybe he should give up radio and do some bloody work. Seems to me he is either on holiday in Hawaii or joking it up somewhere in the media – tosser.

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  66. ben (2,418 comments) says:

    One of my favourite lines is from Boiler Room:

    Greg: “Now there’s two rules you have to remember as a trainee. Number one: We don’t pitch the bitch here.”
    Seth: “What?”
    Greg: “We don’t sell stock to women. I don’t care who it is; we don’t do it. Nancy Sinatra calls, you tell her you’re sorry. They’re a constant pain in the ass and your never gonna hear the end of it. All right? They’re gonna call you every fucking day wanting to know why the stock is dropping. And god forbid the stock should go up. You’re gonna hear from them every fucking 15 minutes. It’s just not worth it. Don’t pitch the bitch.”
    Seth: “Okay, yeah. Don’t pitch the bitch.”

    Script writer was thinking of Sue Kedgley when he wrote that. I’d put money on it. I think of this line whenever I’m stuck behind someone who can’t drive near the speed limit, who doesn’t understand roundabouts based on their inability to enter an empty one, and whenever I think of Sue F*cking Kedgley.

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  67. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Western men, typically, have been Christian, and therefore learnt self-control…”

    another short-lister for funniest-comment-of-the-month…

    ..how can it not be..?

    ..she lives in cuckoo-land..eh..?

    ..sometimes i wonder if she is just running a parody on that whole christian thing…

    ..fact..all men lust..in all different kinds of way..most of the time…

    ..those that claim not to…are either asexual…or total liars…

    (christian or not..)

    ..end of story..

    ..i see beautiful woman after beautiful woman..

    ..every time i go out…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  68. bc (1,360 comments) says:

    To Manolo, Viking et al:
    This has got nothing to do with political correctness.
    This has got nothing to do with Helen Clark! (Man you guys are obssessed about her).

    I am not offended. I am, however, disappointed and annoyed at Key’s stupidity. Don’t you expect higher standards from your Prime Minister?

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  69. Dazzaman (1,133 comments) says:

    Sue (Kedgley not Bradford, haha) wasn’t too bad a few decades back either! Maybe he should have told her that!

    I guess Kedgley is attending Pete Hodgsons latest seminars on sliming the other side of the house laughably & ineffectually? She’ll get an A+ for this effort…..lol

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  70. dime (9,787 comments) says:

    “Oggling women, other than your wife, opens the door to inappropriate thoughts and desires, which some men will act upon.”

    HAHAHA fuck thats just uptight.

    im scared to think how boring your sex life must be.

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  71. ben (2,418 comments) says:

    Oggling women, other than your wife, opens the door to inappropriate thoughts and desires, which some men will act upon.

    Ha, best line of the day, thanks for pointing it out dime.

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  72. ben (2,418 comments) says:

    Phil, you don’t go out, you sit at home hitting the period key. Again and again and again. I’d pay good money to block your nonsense.

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  73. Lucia Maria (2,250 comments) says:

    Thus I descended out of the first circle
    Down to the second, that less space begirds,
    And so much greater dole, that goads to wailing.

    And now begin the dolesome notes to grow
    Audible unto me; now am I come
    There where much lamentation strikes upon me.

    I came into a place mute of all light,
    Which bellows as the sea does in a tempest,
    If by opposing winds ‘t is combated.

    The infernal hurricane that never rests
    Hurtles the spirits onward in its rapine;
    Whirling them round, and smiting, it molests them.

    When they arrive before the precipice,
    There are the shrieks, the plaints, and the laments,
    There they blaspheme the puissance divine.

    I understood that unto such a torment
    The carnal malefactors were condemned,
    Who reason subjugate to appetite.

    And as the wings of starlings bear them on
    In the cold season in large band and full,
    So doth that blast the spirits maledict;

    It hither, thither, downward, upward, drives them;
    No hope doth comfort them for evermore,
    Not of repose, but even of lesser pain.

    And as the cranes go chanting forth their lays,
    Making in air a long line of themselves,
    So saw I coming, uttering lamentations,

    Shadows borne onward by the aforesaid stress.
    Whereupon said I: “Master, who are those
    People, whom the black air so castigates?”

    “The first of those, of whom intelligence
    Thou fain wouldst have,” then said he unto me,
    “The empress was of many languages.

    To sensual vices she was so abandoned,
    That lustful she made licit in her law,
    To remove the blame to which she had been led.

    She is Semiramis, of whom we read
    That she succeeded Ninus, and was his spouse;
    She held the land which now the Sultan rules.

    The next is she who killed herself for love,
    And broke faith with the ashes of Sichaeus;
    Then Cleopatra the voluptuous.”

    Helen I saw, for whom so many ruthless
    Seasons revolved; and saw the great Achilles,
    Who at the last hour combated with Love.

    Paris I saw, Tristan; and more than a thousand
    Shades did he name and point out with his finger,
    Whom Love had separated from our life.

    After that I had listened to my Teacher,
    Naming the dames of eld and cavaliers,
    Pity prevailed, and I was nigh bewildered.

    And I began: “O Poet, willingly
    Speak would I to those two, who go together,
    And seem upon the wind to be so light.”

    And, he to me: “Thou’lt mark, when they shall be
    Nearer to us; and then do thou implore them
    By love which leadeth them, and they will come.”

    Soon as the wind in our direction sways them,
    My voice uplift I: “O ye weary souls!
    Come speak to us, if no one interdicts it.”

    As turtle-doves, called onward by desire,
    With open and steady wings to the sweet nest
    Fly through the air by their volition borne,

    So came they from the band where Dido is,
    Approaching us athwart the air malign,
    So strong was the affectionate appeal.

    “O living creature gracious and benignant,
    Who visiting goest through the purple air
    Us, who have stained the world incarnadine,

    If were the King of the Universe our friend,
    We would pray unto him to give thee peace,
    Since thou hast pity on our woe perverse.

    Of what it pleases thee to hear and speak,
    That will we hear, and we will speak to you,
    While silent is the wind, as it is now.

    Sitteth the city, wherein I was born,
    Upon the sea-shore where the Po descends
    To rest in peace with all his retinue.

    Love, that on gentle heart doth swiftly seize,
    Seized this man for the person beautiful
    That was ta’en from me, and still the mode offends me.

    Love, that exempts no one beloved from loving,
    Seized me with pleasure of this man so strongly,
    That, as thou seest, it doth not yet desert me;

    Love has conducted us unto one death;
    Caina waiteth him who quenched our life!”
    These words were borne along from them to us.

    As soon as I had heard those souls tormented,
    I bowed my face, and so long held it down
    Until the Poet said to me: “What thinkest?”

    When I made answer, I began: “Alas!
    How many pleasant thoughts, how much desire,
    Conducted these unto the dolorous pass!”

    Then unto them I turned me, and I spake,
    And I began: “Thine agonies, Francesca,
    Sad and compassionate to weeping make me.

    But tell me, at the time of those sweet sighs,
    By what and in what manner Love conceded,
    That you should know your dubious desires?”

    And she to me: “There is no greater sorrow
    Than to be mindful of the happy time
    In misery, and that thy Teacher knows.

    But, if to recognise the earliest root
    Of love in us thou hast so great desire,
    I will do even as he who weeps and speaks.

    One day we reading were for our delight
    Of Launcelot, how Love did him enthral.
    Alone we were and without any fear.

    Full many a time our eyes together drew
    That reading, and drove the colour from our faces;
    But one point only was it that o’ercame us.

    When as we read of the much-longed-for smile
    Being by such a noble lover kissed,
    This one, who ne’er from me shall be divided,

    Kissed me upon the mouth all palpitating.
    Galeotto was the book and he who wrote it.
    That day no farther did we read therein.”

    And all the while one spirit uttered this,
    The other one did weep so, that, for pity,
    I swooned away as if I had been dying,

    And fell, even as a dead body falls.

    Divine Comedy, Inferno: Canto V

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  74. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    I don’t give a damn what Kedgely says. She’s actually got it back to front anyway. But Key is just a dumbarse. What he said in these conversations was cheap and gormless.

    If all you Shortland Street/ Hollywood/ “celebrity” addicted guys are happy to have such a vacuous dunce for a PM then fine. Myself, I’d prefer one with a bit of class. Key is just a boring idea-less Progressive fool leading this country down the same destructive road as Helen Klark was and with no idea how to change direction.

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  75. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Lucia
    WTF has Dante got to do with Sue “Dihydrogen Monoxide” Kedgley and a busy body comment,

    Key answered a question honestly. He didn’t try and be clever by saying Virginia Wolff was hot he said Jessica Alba was and she is. His wife will not care about this comment, they appear to have a marriage that has a bit of humour in it.

    Something a few of you could develop , i.e a sense of humour, really really sad that you would feel so constrained in your marriage that you couldn’t pass a comment that another woman was attractive.

    He’s not coveting Jessica Alba he’s using a colloquellisim to say shes attractive, That is all

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  76. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Red

    You are right, he should have said he wanted to peel Sarah Palin back,( which is about all she’s good for.)

    I would presume you would jump to defend her honour Red, you sad bugger.

    If you want gormless watch any Palin interview, I despair for the Republicans

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  77. adze (2,049 comments) says:

    tristanb:
    Me: I hope anyone here upset by Key’s comments also took offence at Paula Bennett’s stated desire to have SBW on a desert island to collect firewood for her and “to look at”…

    “I’m sure they did. Don’t try and pretend there is some kind of hypocrisy here.”

    Do you speak for them? If not, how do you know there is any pretense?

    The original question is partly rhetorical because so many times, the very type of people who object to any male admiration of a woman for anything except platonic virtue, are silent when the reverse occurs. In fact, often they are the ones doing the “admiring”.

    I don’t think comments such as these are entirely wise given there are plenty of people like Kedgley who will try to brew up a storm in a teacup for political purposes. But, you said yourself it wasn’t particularly offensive – so I’m sure you won’t mind if someone asks if a genuine principle is being offended here.

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  78. Ross Nixon (614 comments) says:

    I’ve crossed Liz Hurley off my Christmas card list. Shane Warne? What were you thinking? Did you have a brain explosion, Liz?

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  79. BeaB (2,103 comments) says:

    I’d be sorry if the day ever came when my husband didn’t talk about the unattainable celebrities he fancies. It’s the woman next door you have to watch.

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  80. sbk (311 comments) says:

    PauLeastBay says

    ” You are right, he should have said he wanted to peel Sarah Palin back,( which is about all she’s good for.)”

    you sir… without a doubt,…a dick.

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  81. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Do you speak for them? If not, how do you know there is any pretense?

    Not at all. But there was absolutely no indication in the content of what anyone wrote that people wouldn’t hold Porkchop up to the same standards as the PM.

    You’re the one making assumptions.

    If this was the Trademe forums, you might have a few some mid-30s fat women empathising with Paula but being mad at John, but I don’t hadn’t seen any examples of that. I get your point that it was rhetorical, but I feel that the screeching girls and Pauline Gillespie clones that call out at men on the street, are the same that wouldn’t really care about their boyfriend (or husband) oogling other girls (or in some case cheating on them).

    Both sexes are allowed to be attracted to whoever they want. I can’t control how other people act, but there’s such thing as politeness and class (not required on blogs). My main concern is that it’s just poor form when a PM talks on the radio about what makes him hard, or when an MP answers an interview like it’s a Cleo magazine.

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  82. Dirty Rat (504 comments) says:

    At least Jones wanks off to Porn, not to Bedazzilled

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  83. BlairM (2,310 comments) says:

    If a man is noticing and commenting on other women, it does not bode well for his marriage.

    All men notice other women. If you don’t comment on it, you’re pretending it’s not happening. I prefer honesty.

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  84. adze (2,049 comments) says:

    You’re the one making assumptions.

    If this was the Trademe forums, you might have a few some mid-30s fat women empathising with Paula but being mad at John, but I don’t hadn’t seen any examples of that.

    Well, I have sent plenty of examples and these days, in my experience, the main type of people who object are those who are either stuck in an older style of feminism, or tend to be chauvinistic in their outlook. You’re right that the rhetorical aspect of the question makes some assumptions. But the fact it was framed as a question allows those assumptions to be challenged – despite that, the only person who has so far (you) didn’t find Key’s comments particularly offensive.

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  85. niggly (813 comments) says:

    Personally I didn’t find Key’s comments particularly offensive. He simply said the women were “hot” (he didn’t say he wanted to shag them etc).

    The majority of the population think and say the same eg some women say some men are hot, some women say some women are hot, some men say some women are hot and of course some men have no hesitation saying some other men are hot. I suspect it has been human nature for thousands of years. :-)

    As for those who attacked the PM for allowing himself to be interviewed by Tony Veitch, I say go f**k yourselves. Veitch is a broadcaster and the PM cannot vet who interviews him (does anyone want a repeat of previous dictatorial behavour from previous PM’s such as Muldoon banning Tom Scott from the PM press conferences or Clark refusing to be interviewed by John Campbell for years)? If there is an issue with Veitch interviewing JK, then that is an issue that needs to be taken up with the broadcast organisation (not the PM).

    Point of clarification: Whilst I have no respect for Veitch’s disgusting assaults on his ex, the fact is he’s been to court and gained a conviction. Furthermore we as a society are meant to help rehabilitate people like Vietch not shun him, or are there two rules, meaning that its acceptable to shun Veitch but society cannot do the same to other convicted criminals?

    If some people think the PM shouldn’t be talking to Veitch as a broadcaster, then does that mean he shouldn’t be talking to other pollies with assault convictions (Mallard) or pollies that used to admit to bashing others in their youth (Hone Harawira)?

    As long as it is in a professional (not personal) capacity, the fact is the PM shouldn’t be attacked for talking to Tony Veitch.

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  86. greatcathy (1 comment) says:

    To the guys on this thread saying nasty things about Sue Kedgley – why so much abuse and ANGER?? Are you feeling hormonal today?

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  87. Cathie (1 comment) says:

    Thank you Sue for having the courage to name sexism when it occurs.
    I hope the personal attacks and justifications don’t quieten your voice.
    Seems to me that those of us (men and women) that value respecful relationships need to support each other to speak up when it is not happening.
    Just because not everyone is aware of the impact of this behaviour on women doesn’t mean we stay quiet.
    Once again – thank you Sue. Kia Kaha.

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