2011 Christchurch Earthquake Day V
February 26th, 2011 at 11:45 am by David Farrar1801: Death toll now 145.
The death toll is now at 123, and sadly there are still around 200 people listed as missing.
We are all hoping the final toll will not increase much more, but sadly I think it may. The 200 listed as missing are very specific – a wife saying their husband has been missing for three days – so they are very likely to be dead.
However some of the missing will be amongst the 123 dead – they have not identified them yet – so let’s say 60 of the 200 are already counted as dead. That would push the death toll to 250.
But it seems that the 200 listed as missing does not include the overseas students etc. If that is so it could push it up close to 300.
This photo (taken from CNN) was sent in by a reader, of the iconic ANZ Chambers. That open space at the top left is his bedroom. Luckily he was at work, but one can appreciate how traumatic it was at work or home. A number of friends and acquaintances down there said that this quake really made them think they were going to die. Those of us from outside can only empathise and do what we can from afar.
Related posts:
- 2011 Christchurch Earthquake
- 2011 Christchurch Earthquake Day X
- Christchurch Earthquake 2011 Day II
- 2011 Christchurch Earthquake Day III
February 26th, 2011 at 11:51 am
My understanding, David, is that the death toll reprepresents the those who have been positively identified and relatives informed. Anyone missing is on top of the official toll.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
There was an expert on radionz this morning talking about base isolation technology for buildings. He said they can be so effective that during an earthquake in California in 1995, 2 hospitals were heavily damaged, while another with base isolators installed survived intact. Patients in that hospital weren’t even aware there had been an earthquake.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Base isolators are the way to go – how about making them mandatory for all larger buildings?
Anyway after reading some interesting Herald opinion articles by Fran O’Sullivan and John Armstrong:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10708760
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10708751
And then thinking about the visit to Wellington of the QM2:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4708272/Huge-liner-cruises-into-Wellington
Seeing there will be areas to re-built and knowing that there is nothing more demoralising than having to wait years for house re-building programmes to bear fruit whilst living in stretched temporary accomodation (and after all, these halls will be required again by the schools and community sooner rather than later) …..
How about Govt look into leasing a surplus passenger liner and tieing her up at Littelton for a few years? It one could accomodate 1000-5000 people (assuming one that large can get in etc), i.e. those people affected the worse? They could “live” temporarily for 6-12months as their suburbs are being re-built and when that’s done, these people move off back home and another lot arrive to take their place etc?
Other positives include keeping the morale up (for kids it will be an “adventure”), sanitery and health isses could be contained, either schools set up or kids get bussed to their local schools to keep contact with their community), otherwise setup creches at least for those parents that don’t work (and the adults can spare their spare time in weekends undertaking community rebuilding projects as a “pay back”)?
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Looking at all the destruction and loss of life that has happened I think it is time that we started to get realistic in the Shakey Isles.
Stop bleating about so called “Heritage Buildings” and bowl the lot of them.
Stop building anything higher than say three stories.
We have to come to grips with the reality that NZ is not a place to have ancient stone/brick edifices or multi-story office blocks built on alluvial deposits.
Everything higher than one story/made of wood, needs to be base isolated.
Any other option will just cause more loss of life when the next quake strikes.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
The man:
http://www.robinsonseismic.com/
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Clearing rubble from Christchurch should start now. Use mining trucks and 1500 ton coal trains. Mining trucks have 10 times the capacity of ordinary tip trucks. Trains use three times less diesel than trucks. Montreal and Madras streets for trucks only, lots of places needing infill. Heritage buildings can still be reconstructed using their facades. Christchurch is at serious risk at present, decisiveness and speed is required to reduce that risk.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Any sign of KB regular and Christchurch rate payer Jack5?.
Come in Jack5.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
What about Dad4J?
Hope he is OK.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
The media are quoting figures about how many buildings in the CBD been checked and are considered OK. Now I want to know by what standard are these buildings now considered OK? Buildings that were checked previously have now collapsed.
My view is unless there is no doubt that a building can stand another big quake then it should be demolished no matter what type of building it is. My fear is that quick fix options will be chosen again as they were after the September 4. There has been nearly 6 months spent doing fix ups on old buildings around areas such as the Lichfield St and Bedford Row block. These same buildings have now been wrecked. These old buildings should have been demolished months ago. I have seen this idiotic pissing around by workmen trying to fix these old ugly eyesores daily when it was clear to anyone that in another big quake they were potential death traps. The owners should have been told by the council to demolish them.
I’m also fed up with the vague ‘motivating’ talk about the rebuilding of the CBD from Key and Parker. Trying to gloss over stuff won’t wash anymore.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
His last blog entry was Monday the 21st, worrying.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
It’s bowl it and start again time Lindsay with all new construction able to resist a similar quake because this is a new unknown fault line (until now) and it will do it again whenever it feels like it.
Undoubtedly there are other unknown faults just like it where stress is building up.
The Pollies like to be seen to be being decisive but they are just as stupid as the rest of the bureaucrats.
Knock all the old crap over and rebuild in as earthquake proof a manner as you can otherwise you are just dicing with peoples lives again.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
“His last blog entry was Monday the 21st, worrying.”
Yes cha.
BB will have to find another object to torment.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
For those interested in how that building looked before, here’s a shot on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/t0nyburton/3547783711/
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Was in Wellington (Wadestown) earlier this morning – watched the Queen Mary 2 berthing. Absolutely amazing vessel – dwarfs the stadium. Departs 7pm tonight.
What the govt might want to look at doing is chartering one or more large liners and mooring them in Lyttleton if medium-long term accomm is required. I’m not suggesting the Queen Mary BTW.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Dad4J and Jack5 could have no electricity hence no internet access.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
My question is why rush to re-build anything? There is far too much damage to repair. A new City needs careful thought.
More worrying is the very high probability of a similar event quite soon. (Within a decade is quite soon).
Even more worrying is a much stronger event, much sooner than anyone can predict, and taking a lot more life.
My head hurts thinking about the dreadful experiences lived through so far for so many.
But like with New Orleans, even the Ancients were wise enough to abandon a ‘lost cause’.
I reckon CHCH needs to be re-built elsewhere.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
I agree with your scenario Guy Fawkes however all of the Canterbury plains are alluvial deposits from the Alps so nowhere could be considered as safe.
It is far more important that we realise this and rebuild with maximum human survivability in mind.
That to me means low rise and no masonry. Anything over a couple of stories base isolated.
Infrastructure of course is another matter. It would appear that overhead power would possibly be a better option than undergrounding.
Sewerage/water needs some radical engineering to cope with earth movement.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Johnboy – Good call on stricter-still building standards. It pays off in the long run. It can even reduce building costs in certain contexts. For example, I notice a lot of wood construction in California where NZ would use “better materials”… but the wood can go with the flow and doesn’t crush as much.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Yeah Camryn. Maybe Hone’s people knew what they were doing with the fern and punga’s eh bro.!
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
# Camryn (313) Says:
February 26th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Johnboy – Good call on stricter-still building standards. It pays off in the long run. It can even reduce building costs in certain contexts. For example, I notice a lot of wood construction in California where NZ would use “better materials”… but the wood can go with the flow and doesn’t crush as much.
Trees are designed by nature to bend and flex but unless we treat the timber it also rots in no time. Now we knew all this years ago but then along came all the smart Alec’s from university and tried to change the world and succeeded in changing the building codes. So, now we have rotten buildings and buildings that won’t withstand a rock a bye baby anymore.
Worse we are now building in steel frames. So they buckle in fires, rust in the water and buckle in earthquakes but gees they are a good idea.
No different to the weakening of concrete and the removal of reinforcing from concrete floors. disastrous.
Vote:This will end in tears again. More bright idea’s from other countries with different problems.
Oh Well.
February 26th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Perhaps we should uncover all the dead, demolish the unsafe buildings and clear the rubble before worrying too much about whether those rebuilding are too stupid not to realise that rebuilt/new buildings need to be earthquake proofed.
Guy Faulks, Christchurch is still there.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Johnboy
I did not torment D4J, the idiot chased me all over the internet…oh well…
Anyway, have a look at this and tell me why both of these pieces of shit were not locked up until the 28th of March.
“A Lyttelton man found in a house said he was trying to steal a toaster because his family only had stale bread to eat.
Duty solicitor Kerry Cook said the risk of further offending could be covered by strict bail conditions and the man had no previous convictions.
But Judge Crosbie said there was justification for a remand in custody under present conditions.
“I would have thought that if he has done something like this at this time, he is capable of doing anything, and capable of doing it again,” he said, remanding the Man to March 28.
Another man got bail after being arrested for trying to siphon petrol from a car so he could drive to a local chemist to collect his methadone prescription.
Judge Crosbie granted him bail, with a curfew at home but a two-hour window each morning to get his methadone. ”
One scumbag steals a toaster and is locked up, fair enough. Another low life junkie is caught stealing petrol from a car so he can go and get HIS methadone to satisfy HIS self inflicted drug addiction and the prick gets bail.
I bet that the junkie is a dole bludger, I bet if he signed in here he would sound like that parasite Phool, I bet he sees his addiction as a problem caused by us.
The judge missed a chance to toss the useless junkie in a cell and let the prick go cold turkey for a month, I have very little patience with junkies at the best of times, when there is a national crisis I have even less, good men and woman have lost their lives yet we pander to a low life junkie who contributes nothing to our society.
Sometimes we have our priorities all wrong.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
“Worse we are now building in steel frames. ”
Didn’t we stop doing that after the BNZ building/Con Devett/Boilermakers Union etc?
That’s when we changed to reinforced concrete.
Still the PGC/CTV buildings date to the sixties and were not really up to scratch obviously.
Don’t forget the Wellington Urban Motorway built in the sixties/seventies was recently strengthened as it was likely to fall over in a quake.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Was going up Bealey Avenue to drop of some water for someone. A bit surprised to see Indonesian troops at the checkpoints.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Yeah yeah BB.
Cat/Wool. Wool/Cat.
I was just taking the piss.
Still you will be the first to miss him if he has been squashed by a big bit of rock.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Is Christchurch due to be significantly downsized?
If you had a job in the CBD then you are essentially unemployed now. It’ll be months before the authorities have cleaned up the debris, torn down the buildings that are on the verge of collapse, and lifted the cordon. If you worked in one of the destroyed buildings then it might be a year or more before your place of work is re-built. There won’t be enough spare office and retail space in the suburbs to allow businesses to relocate outside the CBD while the cleanup and rebuilding is happening. Business just can’t put itself on hold for a year… It will either re-locate outside Christchurch or go bust.
How many people are going to stay in the city living in a damaged home, shitting in their garden or a portaloo, collecting the dole? Not many, I guess. If it were me I’d take the insurance money, write off the land value of my home (which is probably worthless now anyway), and make a new start elsewhere. In Auckland. Or Sydney.
After Cyclone Tracy in 1974, Darwin lost around a half of its population and the population didn’t recover for 10 years. I suspect Christchurch might be due for something similar.
The Christchurch that rebuilds will be smaller. The reduced population will mean the replacement CBD will be more low rise. There will be a reduced demand for housing, so much that is destroyed now won’t be re-built. This is a good thing since it shouldn’t be re-built… after the debris is cleared then areas of the city prone to liquefaction can be bought up by the council for peanuts and turned in to parkland.
There are implications for NZ’s other large cities. We are at risk of a natural disaster creating a situation that ruins us financially and costs several tens of thousands of people their jobs in the blink of an eye. We’re mostly stuck with the cities we have now, but we should take measures to ensure that risks are understood before we increase them in the future.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Here’s a suggestion for getting Chch cleaned up and rebuilt.
Take all the able dole bludgers. Give them a shovel, a pair of steelcaps, and a hard hat. With their names on it. Make them work a normal 40 hr week for their benefit “wages”, just like everyone else.
Yes the govt. would have to fork out some cash for shovels, vests, steel caps, and the odd wheelbarrow.
But it would gain an army of workers.
Those who refuse, or who don’t turn up get their benefits cancelled.
Those who lose their shovels/steel caps/hard hats have their value taken out of their next “pay packet”.
The benefit for the dole bludgers would be that they might gain a new appreciation for what it means to work for a living. They’d gain some skills, lose some weight, and actually contribute to society instead of leeching.
Hey, I’d even go so far as to say I’d be happy if the government were to pay them not the benefit rate of $4 /hr (or whatever it actually boils down to), but give them minimum wage. Even more incentive for them to actually work for their pay!
/ daily rant over
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
I agree with you, Guy Fawkes and Johnboy. We need to build carefully. But ultimately, Chch will never be the same. I know so many people who are just leaving Chch. They are simply taking all and going, or even just abandoning it all and going. Me – I just replaced some of my clothing, I have a new suitcase, and so that is it. No books, art, kitchen stuff, furniture. It is both sad and distressing, and also sort of liberating. I just wish I got to _choose_ the liberation instead of having it forced upon me.
By the way, yes that photo did at some point appear on CNN News, or so my sister in Toronto told me, but I got it from the NZ Herald. It is _my_ former bedroom in that photo. I had nightmares the first couple of nights. Still not sleeping well, what with the ongoing aftershocks. “Traumatised” would not be an overstatement. My downstairs neighbours were at home preparing to go to work. They got out alive, but one of them said to me that he didn’t panic but simply calmly thought he was going to die.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Historically Christchurch had it’s boom times during the first half of last century. Up until that time the greatest perceived risk to urban business buildings was fire hence the move away from wooden construction. There wasn’t much else to build with in those days other than brick & so we have these death traps interspersed through all NZ cities.
Whether or not they have historic significance it is time to get rid of them. Even ugly steel portal frame buildings give occupants a reasonable degree of protection.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Some thoughts and questions:
1. The Govt accounts are not in that great a state and the cost of this quake is going to be enormous even though insurance will make big payments. The Govt doesn’t have the loot to put us all on benefits for a duration.
2. People are leaving in droves and I’m quite possibly going to be one of them. I’m well qualified in IT and am coming to the end of a fulltime IT course which has been in the CBD and a stones throw from the Leaning Tower of Hotel Grand Chancellor. To get a job I’ll have to go to Auckland or Wellington. I do not see the IT sector here in Chch being in great shape again for a very long time.
3. It’s not just about rebuilding the CBD it’s about rebuilding the local economy. Tourism is going to really struggle for starters, many of the retailers in the CBD will cease to exist. Many of them were struggling anyway after the September 4 quake. So the city needs to have a plan on how the economy will be rebuilt.
4. I doubt if there are enough commercial premises available outside the CBD for businesses to move to while the mess is cleaned up. Big companies like banks, insurance, and accountancy firms etc can keep going a lot more easily by moving staff to other branches etc.
5. Cleaning up the CBD is going to take ages. It took 4 months to knock over the Manchester Courts building alone.
6. How the heck are they going to dispose of all the rubble?
Finally pardon the shouting but:
WHY WERE BUILDINGS THAT WERE CLEARLY NOT ABLE TO STAND ANOTHER BIG QUAKE ALLOWED TO REMAIN AFTER THE SEPTEMBER 4TH QUAKE?
I want the media to ask Bob Parker about this. The geologsts did warn us about a week after the September 4th quake that a substantial aftershock of 6 on the Richter scale was a possibility.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
That’s a really good question and needs to be asked. Indeed one person in a interview last night made the point quite forcefully about a suburban block that killed some people.
Vote:There are many buildings around NZ that are the same and a perusal of any overhead pics of any town will show them up.
We recently had a veranda from a suburban shop just fall of the front, fortunately at night. Clearly not up to a safe building code that’s required.
February 26th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
I would note that this was sort of an aftershock and sort of not. It is MUCH bigger than would normally be expected from an aftershock at this time after the main event. HOWEVER, it is likely to have been a triggered event. That is, the original event altered the state of crustal stress to the extent that this fault has now failed, causing the catastrophic effects we have seen. If you look at the aftershock sequences, you can see that it has effectively been reset. It is a new aftershock trend now associated with this latest large quake.
On the other hand, all the things you say about rebuilding are largely correct. As for the buildings left to stand – the CTV, PGC and Grand Chancellor buildings? They were never going to be on such a list and yet they have or are on the verge of collapse. It was the large degree of liquefaction, quite a patchwork response to the earthquake, that will be the likely cause of these collapses, not the buildings themselves. It is the result of building Chch in a swamp. The “logical” thing to do is to shift the city centre, but … where?
Actually, when you look at this _country_, there should not be big cities with big tall buildings _anywhere_.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
I see Hugh Pavelich today ranting on about the cost of houses once more. Perhaps if he looked around his own town he would be able to understand why Kiwi’s don’t want fragile houses that fall to bits in the first shake or high wind.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Viking2,
If any of us drive a junk vehicle down the road that is dangerous you get pulled up and thats the end of that. But building owners are allowed to get away with their buildings not being up to surviving an earthquake and becoming a potential death trap.
I guess we must keep the building huggers happy………….
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Yep, even when they need a certificate. Another “leaky building” fiasco when it comes to the nitty gritty.
Vote:I reckon some lawyer should sue the council for a building with a current cert. which has failed.
Just as I think one should have sued them for the broken concrete floors on the first quake. Buildings not built to code sufficient to be fit for purpose.
February 26th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
By the way haven’t heard from FESmith this week.
Vote:February 26th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
“Was going up Bealey Avenue to drop of some water for someone. A bit surprised to see Indonesian troops at the checkpoints.”
They’d be Singaporean, Metcalph.
Vote:February 27th, 2011 at 12:05 am
For some people who worked in the cbd, work carries on. off site backups are used, people work from home or at work mates place and life carries on.
Vote:February 27th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Lindsay, re: Canterbury’s future, have no doubt it will survive with or without you.
Also apparently we’re well positioned according to Brownlee re: EQC and reinsurance which altogether = $11B
Vote:February 27th, 2011 at 12:21 am
Not long back from Sumner trying to locate an elderly relative who was last heard from on Tuesday A 1.5 hour drive that would normally take about 40 minutes return from Hoon Hay. Driving through suburbs where NO houses appear occupied – I mean not a single flicker of light in hundreds of houses. The only sign of life is the occasional cop stationed at a roadblock, or army APC’s patrolling for looters. (I thought the area had been evacuated, but the army guys that stopped me after I managed to bypass their roadblock at one point said that wasn’t the case).
Heck, Christchurch is like a warzone at the moment – the constant thud of Iroquious choppers, the pungent aroma of silt, dust, debris and who knows what hangs in the air. 10cm cracks through the middle of the road, followed by 30-60cm rises, and then gaping holes – not to mention the liquefaction (which the student army has mostly shovelled to the side of the road now – good on you guys and gals).
At least the aftershocks have died down a little. I would rate the night of Tuesday as the scariest and longest night of my life – hours of constant fear. The aftershocks seemed to hit every minute, and there seemed to be an unnerving pattern to them. First, a slight jolt. Maybe 30 seconds later, a rumble and a roll. About 30 seconds later you would hear a roar like a train passing under your house before the impending shake for 2-3 seconds. And finally a dull thud, again almost as though it was directly under you, like a hundred car doors being slammed at once. And then it would start all over again in another few minutes. This went on for hours. And hours.
People have left the city in droves – many of those that haven’t are panic buying. Still. There are still huge lines of cars outside service stations, until they run out of gas, at which point they tape of the pumps and close the doors.
I saw 40-50 people lining up to fill their LPG cylinders at one servo.
And now the cat is hiding in the hot water cupboard.
Vote:February 27th, 2011 at 1:15 am
Hang in there guys, sounds bloody awful!
Vote:February 27th, 2011 at 5:23 am
noskire
Thank you so much for that summary – I actually cut and pasted it and made it a comment on my Facebook page. I spent an hour on the phone last night with my distraught sister persuading her to fly to Auckland for a break and she is in Bryndwr on firm ground and never lost their power! Having been in Christchurch on 4 September I thought perhaps it gave me at least SOME capacity to empathise but this is of a scale that far far exceeds what I witnessed. She and her friends have been involved in trying to help striken friends in the east who have no power and water and so are cut off from the world and know little except by word of mouth of the full extent of the devastation. They have taken in a friend from Clifton Hill (near Sumner) whose hillside home is totally munted. Already of the 40 odd names released of the known dead and missing on the stuff website we know 2 of them.
The grieving and mourning is on so many levels. For those who were in Chch on 4 Sep and have learned to feel and sense the size and proximity of the thousands of aftershocks (but perhaps were not in the CBD seconds after the 6.3 quake) they knew instantly what had happened and so the sick fear of what was befalling Chch began from that moment. A close friend was on the top floor of the CTV building (she was interviewed on One News) who escaped unharmed but knows that over 100 people never made it out is in Hamilton with family suffering from serious PTSD. All who love Chch as home including expats are having to come to terms with the loss of the city we all love. Many friends who work in the city fear for their livelihood and those in the east with devastated homes are planning to leave the city for good. The media have foussed on the CBD and the search and rescue somehow have missed the mass exodus from the city – my sister lives on a major ring road that eventually links to Main North Rd and SH 1 north. The day of the earthquake the traffic was bumper to bumper at bare crawl for FOUR HOURS. Air NZ reports that 40,000 passengers have flown out since the quake!
The grief and shock of the damage and images of devastation will soon be supplanted by the immeasurable grief over the death of so many in such a small city as the slow trickle of names released by the Chief Coroner turns to a flood as the bodies are indentified – like 9/11 and New York the city will be the scene of funeral after funeral and all residents will be touched by this grief as they cope with the death of loved ones, friends and acquaintenances. Being so far away for expats adds to the grief as we so much want to be there to help and comfort.
And yet in all this are the myriads of stories of the humanity, love and kindness of so so many. So many stories that they there is little time to tell them right now and they bring tears of joy to supplant the tears of sadness. As my father who lived in England through the war said, the Blitz of London was terrible but we survived and we rebuilt and the great city of London survived. From the ashes of destruction like the mythical Phoenix will rise a proud and tough new city whose resilient residents will one day say “this was our finest hour”.
Vote:February 27th, 2011 at 8:33 am
noskire
That description of Tuesday night beats any reporter’s description I’ve read to date. Whenever blogs and their comments begin to piss me off I come across stuff like yours.
Anyway, we’re sending money and whatever else we can, and I know at least 30 families here in Auckland doing just the same or more. So just hold on, don’t think too far ahead and work your way out of it one cleanup at a time. You’re not alone.
Vote:February 27th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Reid said:
“Lindsay, re: Canterbury’s future, have no doubt it will survive with or without you.”
I’m not sure where you’re heading with that but I don’t like the inference implied in your remarks. I must inform you that I was born in Chch and have lived here all my life and am as proud a Cantabrian as anyone. But for me there is no room for sentimentality as sometime very soon I’ll have to find full time work, it’s not about abandoning a sinking ship it’s about the practicalities of live and my own longterm future.
Tell me Reid are you from Chch and were you in the CBD at 12:51pm on Tuesday? If you weren’t I can assure the damage is much worse that it looks on TV.
Vote: