Another case of benefit fraud

February 12th, 2011 at 9:56 am by David Farrar

Clio Francis writes in the Dom Post:

A Kiwi beneficiary has travelled the world funded by the dole, spending nearly two years seeing the sights of Europe, Asia and Africa without his unemployment benefit being cut off.

In an international escapade that has left Social Development Minister Paula Bennett and Work and Income fuming, , 34, has admitted seeing the world at taxpayer expense.

Mr Freedom left New Zealand for Australia on April 11, 2009, expecting his benefit would be cut off two weeks later. “I was just amazed when it didn’t,” he said from Dubai.

He visited Europe, the Balkans, Britain, North Africa and Asia before his benefit was finally axed late last month.

Work and Income head Mike Smith said Mr Freedom – previously known as Petrus van Druten – would be prosecuted for if he returned to New Zealand.

Good.

“Peter Freedom is a liar and fraudster who has abused the trust of New Zealanders. We will throw the book at him if he returns.”

Ms Bennett said Mr Freedom’s claim that he thought the benefit would “just stop” was pathetic.

“There is no excuse for continuing to claim welfare on an extended overseas holiday.

“New Zealanders will find the photos of Mr Freedom in front of Egypt’s pyramids hard to stomach and I have to say I do too.”

Mr Freedom used the nearly $28,000 – $287.12 a week, which later increased to $293.04 – to see some tourist meccas.

His favourites included the Pyramids of Giza, the Taj Mahal, the Eiffel Tower and bullfighting in Spain. “The trip was funded by the benefit,” Mr Freedom said. “What started as an accident soon became an opportunity.”

An opportunity to go to jail I hope.

Before he left New Zealand Mr Freedom had been living in Hawera, Taranaki. He said he was keen to work but when a job came up outside town and he asked Work and Income to stump up some money for transport, he was refused. “I just needed a little bit of help but I never got it.”

Yet he had enough money to afford an international air ticket.

His benefit was stopped last month as part of the Government’s Future Focus reforms, which require all people who have been on the unemployment benefit for a year to reapply.

Reforms which were opposed by certain political parties.

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145 Responses to “Another case of benefit fraud”

  1. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Yeah, but he didn’t have a job so what’s the prob? Maybe he needed some time out?

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  2. Yvette (2,591 comments) says:

    “Work and Income head Mike Smith said Mr Freedom – previously known as Petrus van Druten – would be prosecuted for benefit fraud if he returned to New Zealand.

    Good.”

    Is ‘good’ just good enough? Is Interpol being advised with view to his arrest, and charging with fraud. No need to extradite him – I mean, shit, we don’t want him back to cost us anymore tax payer funds, either imprisoning him or having the bastard back on the dole. Just something to have a charge against him, restrict the countries he can enter and generally fuck him up as would seem appropriate.

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  3. malcolm (2,000 comments) says:

    His benefit was stopped last month as part of the Government’s Future Focus reforms, which require all people who have been on the unemployment benefit for a year to reapply.

    FFS, is that what this government call ‘reform’? Jesus, National are useless.

    What was an able-bodied young man doing on the dole anyway? What is the purpose of the dole? I can see it does a good job of discouraging people to look after themselves. Witness the ingrained “it’s not my problem” mentality which this man has got from the social welfare system:

    He said he was keen to work but when a job came up outside town and he asked Work and Income to stump up some money for transport, he was refused. “I just needed a little bit of help but I never got it.

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  4. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Oh come on guys, he has a degree and will not lower himself to take a job that pays less than $25 an hour.

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  5. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    Unfortunately, parasites such as this dork (and others that I could name, but won’t) give beneficiaries in general a bad rap.

    Let’s get real; there are people who are in GENUINE needs, and the state must help them. But we have also grown a class of people who see benefits as a right, and who do not believe that they have to contribute to society in any way, shape or form.

    I am all for reforms which place compliance requirements on long-term beneficiaries; requirements which can be enforced, and which have consequences if they are not met. The pool of money available to social services is not limitless, and governments have a responsibility to those who fund it to ensure that social services money goes to those in genuine need, bnot those who have closen not working as a lifestyle.

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  6. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    I find this story far more meaningful.

    Former British MP jailed over expenses fraud

    “These offences were committed in breach of what was the high degree of trust placed in MPs by the authorities in the House of Commons only to make honest claims,” judge Mr Justice Saunders said as he passed sentence.

    “It is vital that people feel able to trust our legislators and their use of public funds,” he added, the Press Association reported.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/4644540/Former-British-MP-jailed-over-expenses-fraud

    So by the same token Bill English should go to jail for fraud. He’s immorally cost the taxpayer at least $24 000 a year for the last 15 years.

    Monkey See, Monkey Do

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  7. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    I am all for reforms which place compliance requirements on long-term beneficiaries.

    And this is where Key has failed. He has had 2 years to sort this sort of rorting out and whats he done. Bennett needs a bullet as well.

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  8. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (552 comments) says:

    So both Key & Bennett need a bullet, what’s the alternative? Another round of Labour? Look, Key at times gives me the shits, but I really don’t see anyone that could replace them. Better the devil you know.

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  9. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Better the devil you know.

    We know more about Goff than we do Key. If we’ve found out one thing about Key since he’s been in power, its that he’s not the man he purported to be.

    We cannot trust him!

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  10. dime (8,790 comments) says:

    read this on stuff this morning. they also have a pic of him posing in front of a pyramid.

    it may sound harsh, but i actually hope he dies. i really do hate people like this.

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  11. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    New Zealand is never short of loafers, idlers, bludgers, parasites, and fraudster like this Peter Freedom. They are true leeches who believe the world owes them a living.

    The sooner the welfare state is reformed and benefits cut off, the better.

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  12. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    “So both Key & Bennett need a bullet, what’s the alternative.”

    The alternative is to actually do something about it. Stop the DPB from Jan 2012. Adjust the dole/sickness/invalids benefits..12 weeks on it max. Get a job…there are plenty out there if you look hard enough.

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  13. badmac (138 comments) says:

    He is being victimized, just because you can’t get a job and live in polity on the dole doesn’t mean you should be denied the chance of an OE. If the rich pricks kids can do it, then the productive sector should pay for the poor downtrodden to have the same opportunities.

    Anyway how come his dole wasn’t stopped earlier? Surely we had systems in place to enure that bludgers and people in need met with a case worker monthly. No meeting no dole. surely with 9 years under laybout we were doing this and the new inititive by National is simply a dress up of existing labour implemented checks and balances.

    Surely we dont have a system that hands out free money to anybody, surely not? Surely you have to do something productive in return for a hand up.

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  14. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    Where’s Philip Ure’s conribution to this thread? Surely he has something erudite to say, given his intimate knowledge of the subject …

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  15. MT_Tinman (2,797 comments) says:

    I agree with some that there are genuine beneficiaries.

    No problem, NZ has roads that need fixing, older people in need of home help, voluntary organisations in need of hands.

    Let the bastards work for their living – which should be paid only in vouchers.

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  16. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..i actually hope he dies…i really do hate people like this…”

    are you as engaged..dime…over that money english ripped off…?

    ..or is yr heartfelt rage ideologically-themed…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  17. badmac (138 comments) says:

    2nights ago my wires car was stolen off our driveway. The police found it yesterday. The stereotypical low lifes on the dole in a slum area (previous good area which had housing nz rentals move in, then attracted other low lifes and is now graffiti littered with burnouts in front of most houses and general filth everywhere) felt they were more entitled to it than me who worked and paid for it.

    The police said that they may get 100 more hours of community service which they don’t turn up to now. Seems hardly worth the time. Meantime we have to pay for towing, window replacement panel beating, and replace a “pulled” ignition.

    So why can’t we have real reform in social welfare (David G maybe you still have influeance).
    Maybe we have “get convicted of a criminal offense where imprisonment was and option and you lose the dole”. That way any low life getting a hand up from me on the dole (as opposed to caees of genuine need who need help getting back on there feet) who decides to supplement there habits with criminal activity would lose the dole. Yes they would be forced into crime (or shock horror WORK), but why should we pay for a base income when they will do crime anyway.

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  18. Mark (496 comments) says:

    It’s time to end the welfare state.

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  19. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Phool

    Could you get by if you were only given vouchers?

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  20. berend (1,602 comments) says:

    You know what the most interesting part of this story is? That’s a part DPF doesn’t dare to quote: National MP Chester Burrows – who has known Mr Freedom for a decade and helped him to get on the benefit several years ago

    Enough said.

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  21. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    I wish Phool would take at least two years to do the same. :)

    May I suggest North Korea or Afghanistan. :)

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  22. Tauhei Notts (1,512 comments) says:

    I disagree with your assertion that the man claimed the benefit. He applied for the benefit and the mug taxpayers of New Zealand kept throwing money at him.
    My gripe is with the social welfare department. Whenever I go overseas I must fill in forms and have my passport read.
    Surely systems should be in place to question a social welfare beneficiary at length if they are leaving New Zealand. And don’t rave about civil liberties to me. It is taxpayers’ funds they are bludging.

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  23. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    @ Bereal – if you’re going to smear Chester Borrows (and DPF), you could at least have the decency to repeat the full quote, not just the bit that suits your smear

    National MP Chester Borrows – who has known Mr Freedom for a decade and helped him to get on the benefit several years ago – said he was hugely disappointed.

    “I’d wondered where he’d got to. There is no excuse for what he’s done. He was certainly capable of being a contributor to society and not a bludger. This annoys me because this is someone who had so much potential … this guy’s ripped off the taxpayer.”

    One of the roles of an electorate MP is to help people who front up at their office to get the help that they may qualify for. That would seem to be Borrows’ only “crime” here.

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  24. dime (8,790 comments) says:

    phil – english is a different situation to this. so is carters.

    this guy is just pissing in our faces and he should no better.

    i dont even begrudge you being on a benefit.. but this guy has me all riled up

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  25. davidp (3,329 comments) says:

    BWAV>We know more about Goff than we do Key.

    Of course Goff entered parliament as a boy and has been there ever since so we’ve all seen him grow up in office. Like a character who has spend 30 years working on the same soap opera… Goff is the Ian Beale of NZ politics.

    (Actually I just checked and Eastenders including Beale started in 1985 while Goff has been in parliament since 1981, so it isn’t an exact analogy. Oh, and “we’ve all seen him grow up in office” doesn’t include the significant section of the electorate who weren’t born when Goff was first elected.)

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  26. TEO (33 comments) says:

    Another case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. Maybe Immigration/Customs could pick up the phone and keep WINZ in the loop? Perhaps the IRD could get in on it too. Simple stuff. Oh wait … privacy act …

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  27. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    @ David P – no; Goff is the Ken Barlow of New Zealand politics, except that Ken Barlow is marginally more interesting than Phil Goff :-)

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  28. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Good point TEO. I’ve never worked out why everyone doesn’t have a number that is used in every transaction they do in life.

    We all have to have an IRD no. Use the same one for everything else such as benefits, drivers license, bank accounts, etc.

    All seems pretty simple to me.

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  29. Michael (880 comments) says:

    If Mr Freedom had been required to report for an interview every three months he’d be screwed. If he had to go weekly and file a report on his job hunting activities this would never happen.

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  30. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Get a job…there are plenty out there if you look hard enough.

    I hear there’s shitloads of jobs in the dairy industry. The backbone of the NZ economy.

    Which segueways nicely into this example of fraud.

    Workers duped, left to starve

    Starving Fijian immigrant workers duped into coming to New Zealand to work on farms foraged maize from a paddock to feed themselves.

    Otorohanga man Mike Neil Molan, 40, has pleaded guilty to one charge of forgery and one charge of misleading an immigration officer after a sting at his company’s offices and related Auckland-based immigration consultants.

    The scheme saw Fijian immigrants pay thousands of dollars for bogus work visas to work on dairy farms. A former employee says she was aware of at least 17 workers caught up in the scam.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4641619/Workers-duped-left-to-starve

    Wheres your moral outrage for this guy or is he to be lauded for giving it a go. Any bets on what the accused sentence will be ? Slap on the hand with a wet visa application or 6 years in jail like Taito Phillip Field ?

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  31. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    Post up this excerpt from the article DPF! Go on!

    National MP Chester Borrows – who has known Mr Freedom for a decade and helped him to get on the benefit several years ago – said he was hugely disappointed.

    No, you won’t do that, will you?

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  32. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    BWAV

    We should not have foreign workers, those on the dole should be forced to work on farms or pick fruit.

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  33. ben (2,386 comments) says:

    Presumably WINZ or the Minister have put this out to show that the reapply for the benefit rule is working. But this is an extraordinarily inefficient way to catch people collecting the benefit who are not in the country. Couldn’t immigration share data with WINZ and save everybody the waste of time and money that re-application produces? Answer: no. Far better to make 1 million people fill in new forms every year. Sigh.

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  34. Yvette (2,591 comments) says:

    Here, what the Hell happened to Chris Carter?
    Is he ever in Parliament? Does he sneak in under the smoke screen that is Hone Harawira?
    Or is he still dodging his work at an outrageous penalty of $ 10 a day to be one of New Zealand’s biggest rip-off artist behind this guy who has the ironically significant name of Freedom?
    Une maladie vénérienne sur eux toute

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  35. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    “Slap on the hand with a wet visa application or 6 years in jail like Taito Phillip Field ?”
    What makes you think the Field case is comparable? Has this immigration con-man pleaded not guilty? Has he tried to orchestrate witnesses to lie on his behalf to investigators? Was he a government minister abusing his powers for personal gain?

    Idiot.

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  36. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    english is a different situation to this.

    But how is it a different situation to the British MP’s who got jailed for doing what English has been doing for 15 plus years is the question you should be asking ?

    If the example set by MPs being held to a higher standard isn’t enforced and punished accordingly, then why expect ordinary citizens to not follow suit and ripoff the state wherever possible ?

    Monkey see, Monkey do.

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  37. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    What makes you think the Field case is comparable?

    ‘One charge of forgery and one charge of misleading an immigration officer after a sting at his company’s offices and related Auckland-based immigration consultants.’

    You tell me Einstein !

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  38. davidp (3,329 comments) says:

    Inventory2>no; Goff is the Ken Barlow of New Zealand politics, except that Ken Barlow is marginally more interesting than Phil Goff

    I don’t watch Coronation St, so maybe you can help me out… Has Barlow ever had a midlife crisis that saw him ride a motorbike or dye his hair?

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  39. davidp (3,329 comments) says:

    Put it away>What makes you think the Field case is comparable? Has this immigration con-man pleaded not guilty? Has he tried to orchestrate witnesses to lie on his behalf to investigators? Was he a government minister abusing his powers for personal gain?

    The main difference is that the Labour Party defended Field and stated that his only crime was trying to help people. I’m guessing that they’re not going to defend this fraudster because he probably isn’t part of the Labour Party family.

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  40. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Black – “how is it a different situation” .

    Stop pretending to be stupider than you are. Bill English did not break any laws or even any rules.

    “Prosecutor Peter Wright said Devine asked a printing company to give him two invoices, worth £2400 and £3105, for work that had never been done. He submitted the “ghost orders” to parliament’s fees office with similar false receipts for a cleaner. ”

    This is criminal fraud. Don’t pretend you can’t tell the difference, you don’t even convince yourself.

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  41. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    “The main difference is that the Labour Party defended Field and stated that his only crime was trying to help people. I’m guessing that they’re not going to defend this fraudster because he probably isn’t part of the Labour Party family.”

    UK labour probably don’t rely on this guy to deliver a large slab of unthinking automatic cult-of-personality votes. He’s just some corrupt unionist, it’s not like they’re gonna run out of them any time soon.

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  42. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    He had pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing at Southwark Crown Court in London to three counts of false accounting relating to three years of parliamentary expenses claimed on his second home in the capital.

    The claims were made for council tax, telephone bills, service charges, insurance and repairs at his second home in Kennington, south London.

    I’m fairly sure that if prosecutors had gone over English household accounts with a finer toothed comb they would have found many a false invoice claimed, at parliaments expense, to cover maintenance and up keep of the ‘second’ home he was renting from himself in the capital, or possibly even his ‘main’ residence in Dipton.

    You’d be naive to think otherwise.

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  43. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    @ RRM (12.09pm) – see my post from 11.38am, which has the full quote from Borrows, not the part thereof that you and Bereal have used. The second paragraph reads thus:

    “I’d wondered where he’d got to. There is no excuse for what he’s done. He was certainly capable of being a contributor to society and not a bludger. This annoys me because this is someone who had so much potential … this guy’s ripped off the taxpayer.”

    Apologies to DPF for repeating the quote, but I’ve had a bit to do with Chester; he’s a decent bloke, and the second paragraph gives a bit of context.

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  44. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    @ davidp – I don’t watch Coro St either, but Ken Barlow has always been a tormented loser …

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  45. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    black – “I’m fairly sure that if prosecutors had gone over English household accounts with a finer toothed comb they would have found many a false invoice claimed”

    Ahh, so now you’re finding someone guilty on evidence you’re “fairly sure” ( in your unbiased imagination…) would be there. Can you not see a problem with that? Do you leftards apply this standard of justice to people you agree with? I would hope so, since you’re so keen to level accusations of inconsistency…

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  46. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    his only crime was trying to help people.

    And Mike Neil Molan, 40 who has pleaded guilty, probably had the same intent. Heaven forbid that we think he was out to deliberately rip off some dumb negroes for his own benefit.

    That he is white, the numerous victims were coloured and immigrant plus an early plea should hold him in good stead with the judiciary and ensure a pleasant sentence is had by all, eh what ?

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  47. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..phil – english is a different situation to this…”

    how so…?…that claim wd seem somewhat obscure to most of us…

    ..(those not blinded by ideology…eh..?.)

    so..do tell..!..eh..?

    “…this guy is just pissing in our faces … and he should no (sic)..better…”

    once again…pray tell the difference…?

    (esp. since british mp’s are being jailed for the same thing….)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  48. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    I’m fairly sure that if prosecutors had gone over English household accounts with a finer toothed comb.

    ..maybe we should use that same comb on one C Carter and his husband…oohh now that would be interesting…

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  49. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    @ BWAV – I’m “pretty sure” that there was an incident at LAX involving the spouse of a former PM and that there must be a paper trail at Police NHQ and MFAT, but I have no proof …

    Should I go on?

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  50. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Can you not see a problem with that? Do you leftards apply this standard of justice to people you agree with?

    The problem I see, is exactly the same as the problem used to cover Pansy and husband’s Wongdoings. The investigator didn’t look hard enough for fear of finding more examples of what they knew to be true.

    I thought we could expect a higher standard of governance from Key. There’s no chance that he was lying about that too, is there P i a ?

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  51. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Was he a government minister abusing his powers for personal gain?..”

    um..!..wouldn’t that be a definition that could be used for english…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  52. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Black – You’re not even trying to make sense are you? Can you not see how stupid you look trying to pretend these ludicrously different situations are equivalent?

    One situation – no one could possibly think immigration scammer had the intent to help anyone.
    Other situation – no one has any reason to think the local MP had anything other than good intent to help a constituent get on the benefit. What is it you think he had to gain personally from that? Are you imagining evidence again?

    Pretty sure you’re trolling. Who’s been banned lately and needs to come back under another name?

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  53. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Do go on Iv2. That sounds rather intriguing.

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  54. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Black – “The problem I see, is exactly the same as the problem used to cover Pansy and husband’s Wongdoings. The investigator didn’t look hard enough for fear of finding more examples of what they knew to be true.”

    The problem, as you see it, is that your imagination is not admissable in a court of law as evidence. Too bad about that.

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  55. Viking2 (10,749 comments) says:

    Yeh but National were going to create all those jobs that these people with potential could fill. Well they haven’t and its still getting worse.
    So, Mr Freedom used his talent and went sight seeing. Fulfills Chester Boroughs expectations. which are clearly quite low when it comes to NZer’s futures.
    Remind me again this morning what the youth rate of unemployment is!
    Explain to us all again why that is and who failed to remove the discrimination against young people in the NZ workforce.
    National and their socialist buddies including the Labour Maori and greens. 110 against the reinstating of youth rates. Act for reinstating young people rights to work and learning skills 7

    Says it all really.
    Tell me how many more jobs are going to China because we cannot afford to train our youth in everyday work.

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  56. dave (985 comments) says:

    If Mr Freedom travelled for two years while on the dole it means one thing: WINZ wasn’t trying very hard to look for work for him. If they were they’d notice his failure to turn up to his first appointment .

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  57. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    National MP Chester Borrows – who has known Mr Freedom for a decade and helped him to get on the benefit several years ago – said he was hugely disappointed.

    “Disappointed” – well, that’s nice. Like Judge Clapham was disappointed when Kerry Ratana never wrote a letter? Or like when Judge Josephine Bouchier was disappointed when con-artist Loizos Michaels never returned from Australia?

    Why the hell did Burrows get Freedom onto the dole?! What exactly was he doing before that? There are few lower forms of life than dole-bludgers, so I’d like to know what he was stepping up from. Or is “helping onto the dole” some euphemism for “making redundant”?

    We have all (except the bludgers here) paid for this guy’s overseas trip. I haven’t been to these places, and I’m getting older, and I would love to go when I’m still young. But I actually have to save my own money (after losing up to 33% to help contribute to his trip) and ensure I have a secure job to get back to – so can’t just yet.

    Dime, I hope he dies too. I hope he gets sick overseas and cannot afford to get healthcare and dies of an otherwise treatable illness.

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  58. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    @Tauhei and Ben, maybe others: I believe there is some form of data sharing – it’s called data match – but it is imperfect as systems are not fully integrated. Before you have a bitch about this, consider why systems across government departments/ministries are not as yet fully integrated: it comes down to prohibitive cost and the risk of breaking other parts of individual systems which work fairly well. It would also likely have to be a top down change from outside any one ministry.

    @Big Bruv: Having a degree doesn’t lead to an attitude like that, necessarily. I have multiple degrees and a large debt for them. And yes, it was my choice to incur such a debt. However, I certainly don’t earn $25 an hour and I never expected to when coming out of university. I was on a benefit for a few months but I can at least partially attribute having a job – entry level role in an area with potential for me to get to where I would like to be if I work at it – to the help I received from WINZ (the seminars on how to get a job were useful, particularly for the improvement in my CV, which was good but not outstanding, and interview skills, which were again good but perhaps lacked some nuance). I also noticed they seemed quite committed to targeting those 24 and under who were on benefits, which I think is good policy as the reason presumably is to intervene before it becomes a cycle of dependency. But hey, you tend to only hear the bad and not the good because that’s what sells and you get something to bitch/be snide about, right?

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  59. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..haven’t been to these places, and I’m getting older, and I would love to go when I’m still young…”

    you’d be rooting for higher wages for the workers..then…?

    ..or do you think the decades of more for the rich….and let’s keep wages way down…is still the way to go..?

    or..is yr rage also ideologically driven/themed…?

    ..just against those you are told to hate…?

    ‘selective’…as it were..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  60. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Dime, I hope he dies too. I hope he gets sick overseas and cannot afford to get healthcare and dies of an otherwise treatable illness…”

    wow..!..you really are quite a sick fucken twisted puppy…aren’t you..?

    do you also want bill english to die..?

    if not…

    why not…?

    phil(whoar.co.z)

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  61. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    “And in the red and green corner folks we have Phool frantically trying to defend his title as the world champion bludger against all comers before Paula wins with a TKO called data matching”. :)

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  62. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    WINZ still should have picked up on this, even though he is not in their targeted age range. They should have been sending him to job seminars. Systems failure there.

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  63. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    so..john boy/jive-kitty…

    yr thoughts on english…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  64. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Phool, can you clear something up for me.

    Do you think this chap has done anything wrong by travelling while on the benefit?

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  65. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    wow..!..you really are quite a sick fucken twisted puppy…aren’t you..?

    Not really. It’s quite an understandable reaction when someone smuggly travels the world with taxes that are meant to be helping the country (paying for hospitals, schools, etc). It’s sad that this selfish asshole has squandered all that money.

    What this about armed robbery I hear? If that is true, I hope you are not going to act on it again. I think it’s disgusting that you would ruin people’s lives, cause PTSD etc for some cash. Burglary and robbery are still crimes against people – you must recognise that you are completely selfish, and it sounds like you still are.

    you’d be rooting for higher wages for the workers..then…?

    I already get a good wage and a high salary. I get a high salary from working hard.

    You are correct though. I would love it if workers got a higher proportion of money than non-workers. The sad thing is someone earning $15/hour at half-time would get less than this asshole bludger.

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  66. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    phool

    Your thoughts on Delahunty and Bradford scamming the tax payer with their housing allowance?

    …eh?….

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  67. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Jive

    The $25 an hour dig was aimed at our parasitic junkie troll Phool.

    He has previously said that he would never consider taking a job that paid less than that figure given he supposedly has a university degree.

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  68. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..for some cash…”

    it wasn’t for cash..i was withdrawing from heroin…

    (tho’ what the fuck that has to do with anything..?..eh..?..)

    “..I already get a good wage and a high salary…”

    so..fuck everyone else..eh..?….

    ..you’d be a national voter then..?

    ..and you give english a hospital pass….eh..?

    nice to see how yr ‘morality’ is so ideologically-themed…eh..?

    therefore..of course…lacking a certain rationality…

    ..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  69. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    “wow..!..you really are quite a sick fucken twisted puppy…aren’t you..?”

    Any more sick than a junkie who terrorised a Chemist and then refuses to apologise for that crime?

    Any more sick than a junkie who thinks that the Chemist was fair game because he is a capitalist?

    What a pity it was not Grant Gillard who you robbed Phool, things would have been so different.

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  70. immigant (950 comments) says:

    The WINZ at times can be a joke. I know a lot of immigrants that claim the dole and then work for cash for corrupt construction companies that provide crews for construction sites.

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  71. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    “it wasn’t for cash..i was withdrawing from heroin…”

    So what?..nobody cares Phool, you robbed and terrorised ( I suspect there was also an assault involved) an innocent man, an act you have yet to apologise for.

    Do you really think that any of us are going to offer you sympathy because you were on heroin?, you fucking well chose to put that shit in your system, nobody forced you to do it.

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  72. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    Sorry, Bruv. Sometimes there seems to be a lot of vitriol directed at those with degrees here. As well as those who have received benefits. We’re not all the same. I definitely didn’t enjoy being on a benefit. It was boring, depressing and I found it demeaning not to be able to stand on my own two feet. I should’ve planned the exit from university better than I did, and I am thankful that there was some form of welfare and some assistance from family. I also feel lucky to have the job I do. It’s not the highest paying, but it’s employment, there’s opportunity to progress and I don’t require handouts to get by.

    $25 p/h is what, $50k p/y for a 40 hour work week? That’s quite a bit of money for somebody coming off a benefit, or even coming out of postgrad. I am aware some jobs offered to those with postgrad qualification can get about $40-44k, but they’re strongly contested, hard work and there aren’t a huge amount of such roles, particularly in this economic climate

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  73. JiveKitty (869 comments) says:

    If that’s expected, it seems an expectations adjustment would be good.

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  74. berend (1,602 comments) says:

    Inventory2: One of the roles of an electorate MP is to help people who front up at their office to get the help that they may qualify for. That would seem to be Borrows’ only “crime” here.

    Yes, sums up the National Party quite well, doesn’t it? Helping people to get on a benefit. No difference from Labour. Jobs, economy? Don’t go to the National Party.

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  75. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    “Sorry, Bruv. Sometimes there seems to be a lot of vitriol directed at those with degrees here. ”

    Only those with degrees in political science/law/commerce etc. JK. Who think the world owes them a living.

    I’m sure no one here would mock a science or engineering graduate.

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  76. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    I’m with MT Tinman, there are some genuine beneficiaries, these poor buggers need our help and I am more than happy to offer it.

    The genuine cases do not get anywhere enough money to live on, it is embarrassing that in 2011 we offer these people so little.

    Of course the reason that we cannot afford to give them more is because of low life like our pals Phool and Mr Freedom, our system is being sucked dry by parasites, people who have no intention of ever working (as Phool has often said) and see it as our job to pay for the upkeep of their kids while they sit at home all day taking drugs.

    I suspect that Phool feels guilty about this, it may be why he bangs on day after day about getting more for the “poor” when a more honest approach from Phool would be to ask for more for the ‘Lazy’ or more for the “Junkies”.

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  77. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    it wasn’t for cash..i was withdrawing from heroin…

    Fuck mate! Excuses! Fucking constant excuses from shit druggies like you. You’ve done nothing beneficial for anyone. Just excuses. Take some fucking responsibility!

    You traumatised the guy, you could have killed him. You took the drugs, because you wanted to feel good and have fun. Well. There’s plenty of people in worse situations than you who don’t inject themselves with H. Just pure selfishness.

    ..you’d be a national voter then..?

    Haha, I’m not going to admit who I’ve voted for in the past on this blog! As Churchill said ““If you’re not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” I’m aged somewhere between 20 and 40.

    I don’t have an ideology. But I have opinions on things based on past experiences and information. Like most people do. I’m as rational as anyone – but sometimes certain crimes just get at something deeper down – and that’s a normal human reaction.

    If it was up to me, I wouldn’t be paying your dole. I’d be paying for your jail upkeep. The fact you could treat another person like that – without consideration for the terror you caused, the lasting effect on the man as his family, and the other staff at the chemist. It’s disgusting. No excuses.

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  78. Viking2 (10,749 comments) says:

    this is PR on the part of Bennett saying look at what we have done.

    Just shows what appalling systems they have and W&I should be in the gun not the Mr Freedom.
    Its always down to the system. If the system worked then it would not happen.
    But his is minor compared to what is happening out there.

    e.g. man & wife struggling and no work. so Off to Aussie he goes for 100k plus. She signs up for DPB with 4 kids. He’s collecting sufficient to pay of the mortgage and we are feeding her and her kids.

    Thats a true story. But there is nothing in the rules top say that they are not a couple any more. He lives there and she here and the kids get to travel.
    Great lurk. Doesn’t help the sex life much but I guess a bit on the side is OK between them

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  79. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Phool

    Your thoughts on Delahunty and Bradford (or was it Fitzsimons) scamming the tax payer with their housing allowances?

    ..eh?..

    …eh?…

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  80. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    @ Berend – I would hope that if someone in genuine need pitched up at the office of an electorate MP from ANY party, they would get steered in the right direction. That is one of the most basic roles for an electorate MP.

    @ JiveKitty – good on you for getting ahead in life. What do you think of Phil’s excuse that he won’t work because he’s not prepared to have anyone else look after his teenaged son out of school hours or during the holidays? Did you face a similar dilemma?

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  81. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    so..tristan…you’d have been raised on struggle-street….eh..?

    just take out the spoon long enough to spit at/on ‘inferiors’…eh..?

    you vile little tory….

    (and i mean that in the worst possible way…eh..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  82. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..people who have no intention of ever working (as Phool has often said) ..”

    show me one example…you lying piece of crap..

    ..i start working at about 5.00am every fucken morning…

    ..you fucken sad-sack loser failed taxi-driver/used car salesman…

    more lies from obese-sibling..

    ..it must be a day ending in a ‘y’…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  83. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    Phillip Ure said

    ..i start working at about 5.00am every fucken morning…

    Then why are you on the DPB Phil?

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  84. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    so..tristan…you’d have been raised on struggle-street….eh..?

    WTF? Is that a question, an implication, or sarcasm?
    Short answer is none-of-your-business.

    just take out the spoon long enough to spit at/on ‘inferiors’…eh..?

    Mate. You are inferior to me. Why? Because I have never dehumanised an innocent chemist because I wanted to have some fun. It’s that simple.

    You’re cruel and selfish. I’m kind and unselfish.

    That is the reason you are unliked in society. Not because you were brought up poor. Not because of your clothing. Not because you smoke marijuana. It’s because you are a completely selfish individual with no regard for anyone else.

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  85. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Wrong on so many counts Phool.

    Now…you have said that on this blog and in person at bloggers drinks.

    You do not work Phool, you bludge, you steal from the tax payer every week and you have no intention of ever paying that money back by joining the workforce.

    Stop telling lies.

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  86. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..( I suspect there was also an assault involved) ..”

    more fucken lies..

    you can never argue political points..can you..?..

    you uneducated knuckle-dragging/mouth-breathing fucken moron….

    tell us about what a scumbag used car salesman you were..eh..?

    ..all those people you ripped off…eh..?

    oh..!..that’s right..you were an abject failure at that too…eh..?

    ..you fucken loser…

    what is it now..?

    ..the pawn-shop..?..

    ..or ‘collecting’ for them..?

    you fat-bellied fucken redkneck..

    drop out of school at 15..?..didya..?

    ..uneducated fucken moron..

    is that why you hate everyone else…?

    ..’cos yr inferior to everyone..

    plus their is that gut that confronts you at every mirror..eh..?

    ..see the kids often these days..?..no..?

    they think yr a dick too..?

    who hasn’t been there for them..?

    still behind in yr alimony..?

    how much are you costing the state each week..?

    ..eh..?

    waiting for talkback to start…are we..?

    or can you multi-task..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

    you truly are a sad fuck..eh..?

    phil(

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  87. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..WTF? Is that a question, an implication, or sarcasm?
    Short answer is none-of-your-business…”

    sarcasm…and pretty on the money…eh..?

    tristan..?

    how are damian and benjamin…?

    still gadding about europe…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  88. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Phool

    I always argue political points and I always hammer you, I would love to do it more often but you run away when you are taking a beating.

    Now….how about coming clean and apologising to the Chemist you assaulted and terrorised, get it off your chest, it would do wonders for your guilt, who knows, you might even feel like getting a job, a good honest job like washing out the bins at your local supermarket.

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  89. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    That is the ultimate irony: a Parasite commenting on a fellow Parasite!

    Only possible in today’s soft-cock, crim-infested, and bludger-ridden New Zealand.

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  90. Right of way is Way of Right (1,125 comments) says:

    Old news. Chris Carter did it for years!

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  91. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i think it must be time to just ignore you..

    i can’t see you stopping just making up shit..

    and i am really tiring of the groundhog day aspect to it all..

    you are a broken record…with nothing to say…

    you just lie..

    get challenged on it..

    and move onto the next lie..

    i’m bored..

    goodnight irene…

    flail away to yr hearts content..eh..?

    i of course reserve the right to laugh at you in print..

    you are the gift that keeps giving..in that way..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  92. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    tristan..?

    Gotta go. One last thing.

    If I had done what you do to that poor man, I would not be able to live with myself. I feel sick thinking about it. I’m not sure how you justify it in your brain. I imagine though it is much like Clayton Weatherston’s, and the only thing in the world that matters is you, and in your view you are the victim.

    If you do however have a shred of empathy, you should apologise to this person, then you should try to redeem yourself and do something to contribute to society rather than just take from it. Alternatively you could kill yourself.

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  93. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Magpie One. Magpie One. This is Golden Eagle One.

    Please change frequency to GD.

    Repeat.

    Please change frequency to GD. There are important developments in your sector directly relevant to the subject of this thread (benefit fraud).

    Over.

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  94. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    I2

    “Goff is the Ken Barlow of New Zealand politics”

    Oh, ain’t that the truth!

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  95. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    Magpie One. Magpie One. This is Work Enforcer, your ultimate nightmare.

    Get the hell out of here and abandon Kiwiblog immediately.
    Repeat.

    Abandon Kiwiblog immediately.
    Over.

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  96. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    tristan..!..running off darling…?

    where did you go for yr hols this year…?

    ..did you make it down to the beach-house..?..darling..?

    ..careful you don’t chip yr teeth on that spoon..eh..?

    what to do about those ‘bludgers’..?..eh..?

    what does daddy say…?

    has the poisoned fruit fallen far from the tree..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  97. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..“Goff is the Ken Barlow of New Zealand politics”..”

    no he’s not…mccully is the ken barlow of new zealand politics..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  98. jackp (668 comments) says:

    Another campaign promise broken by Key. He was suppose to prevent this sort of thing from happening at least he said he was. If he worked as hard on beneficiary fraud as he does on the foreshore and seabed bill, this might not have happened. All he has done is give beneficiaries a raise and screw the taxpayers again.

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  99. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    BWAV

    “I’m fairly sure that if prosecutors had gone over English household accounts”

    Well there you go. Just what is it that you’re trying to say in making a calculated and unsubstantiated slur about English, or referring to proven misdemeanours of others. Because the inference that can easily drawn is that your verbal pout means you think this prick did nothing wrong

    Could it be that you also have turned to a lifetime on the bludge or are you just Mallard in drag?

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  100. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    oh manolo..can’t even think up his own joke..eh..?

    quick manolo….!..a fresh maari-crime has just gone up on stuff….!

    better get to it..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  101. Michael (880 comments) says:

    BWAV – Bill English leased his own house to Ministerial Services so all the expenses incurred are his own responsibility as landlord. He wouldn’t submit any expenses to Ministerial Services for payment. Going through nothing with a fine tooth comb will yield, um, nothing.

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  102. Nick R (443 comments) says:

    I am surprised Bennett even took her snout out of the trough long enough to notice this. She has spent, what, 2 months last year swanning around the USA on the taxpayers tit while Judith Collins did her job for her. How much did that cost us? More or less than Paul Freedom?

    What a rank waste of space she is. I reckon we get better value for money out of this clown called Freedom than we do out of Paula Bennett. Sack her and let Collins have her job permanently.

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  103. Viking2 (10,749 comments) says:

    well his wife did.

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  104. paws (197 comments) says:

    Hang the govt tosser paying his(the leech) benifit into his bank account, opp paulas asleep on the job,she dosnt have her foot on the necks of the plebes under her control crushing them, sack the silly women ,out of her depth in the real world

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  105. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    I can only conclude Paula Bennett is an abject failure as a minister.

    Her passitivity and inaction coupled with her tolerance of blatant abuses like this show she is not qualified for the job she holds. Maybe she could perform as an after-hours office cleaner, but never as minister of the Crown.

    New Zealand must be touching the bottom of the barrel when we have to rely on incompetent characters like Bennett.

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  106. Magnanomis (138 comments) says:

    On a technical level, this is a FAIL by WINZ’s National Data Match Centre.

    WINZ matches Custom’s arrival / departures data to benefit records. Customs provides WINZ with 100% of records on a weekly basis. Beneficiaries have an ‘allowable days out of the country’ entitlement, ie, they continue to receive benefits for that period (eg, 6 months for superannuitants). WINZ is able to determine from arrivals data if a beneficiary has exceeded their allowable days out of the country. Freedom failed in his obligation to declare that he was going to be out of NZ longer than his benefit type’s allowable days, but WINZ should have been able to detect that breach well within two years and accordingly suspended his benefit.

    http://privacy.org.nz/customs-msd-arrivals-departures-programme/

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  107. black paul (124 comments) says:

    How much did this tool get away with? Less than thirty grand? Big deal. That’s not even a year’s tax cut for some.

    Get a grip, balding divorced losers. This is a bucket of fuck all.

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  108. Mike Readman (353 comments) says:

    Too bad he didn’t have something slightly wrong with him, causing him not be able to do a certain type of job. Then he’d be on a sickness benefit and nobody would give a stuff.

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  109. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    black paul,

    Sure. You’re spot on. It’s nothing.

    So the govt can reclaim the $ directly from your pay packet then. After all it’s a bucket of “fuck all” so what would you care if it came from your earnings?

    Dickhead

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  110. Hollyfield (67 comments) says:

    @magnanomus – Tv1 news tonight said Mr Freedom applied for a benefit under a false name (Freedom), but travelled on his passport under his real name. Therefore there was nothing to match. Also his family said he was also receiving a Dutch benefit. This hasn’t been mentioned, but presumably Mr Freedom received three-monthly declaration forms from WINZ which either he or an accomplice filled out stating he was living at an address in NZ etc etc. It was the new WINZ requirement that he turn up for an appointment that caught him out.

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  111. RightNow (6,350 comments) says:

    I also think $30k isn’t that much, it’s only about what 4 months in prison would cost the taxpayer. If he never comes back to NZ I think we got a bargain.

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  112. Michael (880 comments) says:

    Black Paul – I’m a married, two children, full hair on the head, own home, good job (so plenty of taxes) and don’t mind people being on the dole if they are actively seeking work and making efforts to skill themselves for work. Call me a loser if you want but I don’t think I fit the description.

    This guy is fucking it up for all those who are on the dole and looking for work, plus maybe doing a part-time course at the local polytech to make them more employable by making it look like those on the dole are just con-artist rip-off merchants.

    If anyone is a loser, then it’s Mr van Druten/Freedom.

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  113. Viking2 (10,749 comments) says:

    # Hollyfield (25) Says:
    February 12th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    @magnanomus – Tv1 news tonight said Mr Freedom applied for a benefit under a false name (Freedom), but traveled on his passport under his real name. Therefore there was nothing to match. Also his family said he was also receiving a Dutch benefit. This hasn’t been mentioned, but presumably Mr Freedom received three-monthly declaration forms from WINZ which either he or an accomplice filled out stating he was living at an address in NZ etc etc. It was the new WINZ requirement that he turn up for an appointment that caught him out.

    So he was able to apply for the dole using a false name and was granted the dole, aided and abetted it seems by Chester Burroughs National MP.
    Is that right. It seems to be the case looking at all the info coming out.
    Now I’m sure the MP wasn’t party to the deception but this begs the question of what data matching was involved in the initial registration for the dole. How can anyone assume a false identity and be granted the dole?

    Seems Mr Smith has some answering to do. He gets paid how much to manage this outfits performance and manage our money. Resignations are in order soon.

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  114. BlairM (2,266 comments) says:

    I don’t know why people are directing their anger towards Mr Freedom, instead of the system which allowed him to take taxpayer money.

    If you vote National or Labour, you have no right to complain. Your people created the system. If the government is stupid enough to give Mr Freedom money, he is smart enough to take it.

    I think the man is a hero. More people should do what he did. Imagine if everybody ripped off the system! Do you know how quickly we would have welfare reform? Very quickly indeed!

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  115. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Kill the dole lets see the shit hit the fan. Whenever benefits are under the hammer the answer is social disorder by the letfy penis pullers. Sure not everyone abuses the system but it seems to me at least 80% do. Been to the tavern today,only one or two claim to be unemployed but these same people are taking cash jobs under the table. As a country we are fin paying for our own demise. I accept this is easy for me to say but at the same time I have taken 2 weeks off in 4 years. I look at things from the other side and it just pisses me off.

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  116. black paul (124 comments) says:

    Gee Michael, maybe that’s why I called him a tool dyareckon?

    You’re attempting to draw me into a false dichotomy, when actually it’s perfectly consistent to consider “Freedom” (probably a Libertarianz or Act member) a fuckwit AND those wasting their time twisting their knickers about such chump change to be fuckwits too. Hurr durr durr. Don’t stress yourself any more family boy or you’ll start losing that luscious mane and end up like DPF – bald sad drunk and alone.

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  117. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    black paul

    ” a bucket of fuck all”

    Good point. We can save a lot of admin cost by simply paying the bludge to anyone who says they need it. Who needs a system?

    Your intellect is wasted on this debate. You should probably focus on time travel.

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  118. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    The pressure’s being tightened on black paul’s utopia. u mad, bro? u mad?

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  119. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    “bald sad drunk and alone”

    … and providing you with the only outlet to help assuage the chip on both shoulders.

    That’s a bit gratuitous don’t you think? What’ s the prob sweet cheeks? Farrar pinch your parking spot?

    Is black paul BWAV or Mallard in drag?

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  120. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    I guess he will be back in NZ in time for the next election. Perhaps he’ll stand as a Labour candidate in Te Atatu, they seem to like useless troughers.

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  121. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    I don’t think it is Trev, while he is a class A wanker he is not the type who would openly support this parasite.

    If it is any pollie I am picking it might be one of the Greens, rule out mad Delahunty because Mr Freedom is not Maori, had he been then Delahunty would be screaming that the reason he left NZ was because of colonisation and the very least we could to lessen the burden he and his ancestors feel is to give him more money.

    I am picking that it might be that insipid young fella, or perhaps Locke.

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  122. burt (7,096 comments) says:

    big bruv

    Trevor might not publicly support such behaviour but his party requires people with attitudes like this parasite to survive in the polls.

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  123. Viking2 (10,749 comments) says:

    Isn’t he a Dutch citizen?
    Getting our dole with the help of a National MP>
    Really

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  124. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Burt

    I agree, however I do think that we on the right are taking our eye off the ball when it comes to the Greens.

    While we are enjoying the fact that Labour are slipping in the polls we should not lose sight of the more dangerous enemy to freedom and our tax dollars that the Green represent.

    I would rather see a resurgent Labour and the Greens drop out of the house.

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  125. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Of course they do Burt, got to put the fox in the hen house.

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  126. black paul (124 comments) says:

    Yeah that was a bit gratuitous and undeserved, I withdraw and apologise unreservedly to DPF.

    As I said the guy is a tool. He changed his name to “Freedom” , that says it all. Whatever, it’s an insignificant amount of money and a pointless distraction from the real rorts and rip-offs going on around us every day.

    Look at what Bill English (and the Greens) got away with for so long – renting his own house to himself and giving the taxpayer the bill.

    Look at the millions that rich kids draw in student allowances every year by virtue of their wealthy parents having a trust or company structure to hide their real income.

    Look at the income tax those same parents are skimping on. I repeat, this dick stole LESS THAN THIRTY GRAND. It’s nothing.

    It’s also a WINZ fuck up. They didn’t notice that someone drawing an unemployment benefit had left the country. Anyone consider for a moment why that might happen?

    Has it occurred to anyone that in a recession, with 150,000 kiwis (and rising) out of work for the first time in a decade, that cutting the funding required to run the WINZ offices might be a dumb idea?

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  127. Fisiani (861 comments) says:

    There are over 10,000 job vacancies on Trade Me Jobs alone as I write this. Goodness knows how many thousands more are available elsewhere. Refusal to take a job should be grounds for losing the benfit.

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  128. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    With all due respect to the (misguided) National supporters in this thread you really have no right to attack this guy when your party has done absolutely nothing in 3 years to wind back the welfare state.

    When you actively promote and let grow a welfare state as big as NZ’s, stories like this should not be “outrageous” or “extraordinary” to you, because they are a normal byproduct of the NZ you are promoting by voting for the blue team.

    What a bunch of politically confused jellyfish our ruling party consists of.

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  129. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Just what is it that you’re trying to say in making a calculated and unsubstantiated slur about English,

    What I’m saying is, English lied about his primary place of residence for at least 15 years and lied about not having a pecuniary interest in his wife’s trust to claim out of town living allowances mounting to well over $250 000 dollars.

    Not to mention that until 2002, the HSC (Higher Services Commission) also provided all Ministers with an annual allowance for maintenance for their non-Wellington home, if they were from an electorate outside Wellington and were maintaining a house there “for personal or electorate purposes or both”.

    So it is entriely reasonable that given the expressed character and nature of offending by English it is probable to assume he claimed expenses for a property he was not living in as per the recently jailed British MP and, that if the rules allowed, his wife did the same through the trust which leased his property to Ministerial Services.

    Whatever the legalities, these are not the actions of a man I want running the countries finances, balancing the books and setting the budget. Even more so when one considers the fast and loose way he acted regarding gifting taxpayer money to PEDA Limited and the lies he promoted to cover his involvement in that shameful affair also.

    I note for which, he has continued to perform his role as a minister, supposedly held to higher standards than us lesser mortals, with impunity.

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  130. black paul (124 comments) says:

    Refusal to take a job IS grounds for losing the benefit Fisiani, and 10,000 jobs on Trademe is neither here nor there. There are that many people CHANGING jobs at any time which does nothing to shorten the dole queues (hint: they’re still getting longer)

    We need to create 150,000 NEW jobs if we want to achieve anything close to full employment.

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  131. adze (1,695 comments) says:

    Don’t take this as unqualified support for unemployment benefits, but the number of jobs isn’t the whole story.
    Someone on the dole is likely to have to start near the bottom, and it is these jobs that are usually highly contested as someone else pointed out. You’re competing with smart young university graduates especially in “career-type” entry positions.

    Several years ago I finished a full time degree, and because I was changing careers I had to basically start (again) at the bottom. I applied for many jobs before getting my current modest position despite having a skilled career history, a degree and an unblemished employment record. If I was in a senior specialist role already I wouldn’t struggle to find jobs; I hate to think how someone with limited skills, large employment gap or a criminal conviction would get on, however.

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  132. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Paul

    The government cannot create 150,000 jobs at any time, I wish people would bloody well understand this.

    Only the private sector can create the jobs we need, the same private sector that the left want to tax out of existence.

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  133. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    nickb

    You are of course dead right, when that westie chick Paula Bennett came into the job she seemed the right fit, she seemed to be the one who was going to finally do something about the legion of parasites fucking up this country.

    Sadly we have been duped, she is next to useless, the only thing Bennett has done since she has been in Wellington is put on about two to three stone.

    The Nat’s are still letting the left set the agenda when it comes to benefit reform, they are still reacting to reports from scum groups led by Bradford and co instead of dismissing those reports out of hand and setting about real changes in the welfare state.

    So many of Key’s ministers have been a great disappointment, Bennett is hopeless and out of her depth, Smith is a traitor, English is nothing but a serial trougher who still has eyes on the top job and Tolley has let Mallard and co get under her skin.

    Personally I would love to see Collins given the job of welfare reform, that woman has something of Maggie Thatcher about her and IMHO should be the next leader of the National party and the next PM.

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  134. black paul (124 comments) says:

    To your first comment: Quite right big bruv, I don’t think you’ll find me suggesting otherwise.

    As I said, we need to create 150,000 NEW jobs because that’s how many are out of work. Which part of that are you disputing exactly?

    T your second: Bennett never fooled me. Useless through and through. She’s no westie either.

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  135. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    paul

    My mistake, I had assumed that you were calling for the government to create 150,000 jobs.

    I am sure you can understand why I took that view, every day we hear the left say that if they were in power all these people would have jobs, as we both know that is a blatant lie and one our piss poor political journos let the left get away with.

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  136. black paul (124 comments) says:

    True enough. I do think the govt has a role to play but that role should be helping businesses to create the jobs if necessary.

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  137. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Paul

    On that we agree.

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  138. dime (8,790 comments) says:

    Bennet has the job because she’s brown and was on the dpb once. I’m sorry, but she’s trash.

    First warning sign – letting ultra violent bf of her daughter move in so he could get bail. Trash.

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  139. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    @ big bruv and black paul – look closely enough at the term of the Clark/Cullen government, and you’ll find that the government was indeed pro-active in job creation. The result was a bloated public service, which is one of the drivers of the economic mess that we are now in. The number of jobs created within the public service was and is quite simply unsustainable, but it made the numbers game look better, and for Clark and Cullen, that was justification enough.

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  140. Michael (880 comments) says:

    Black Paul – it’s well established in law that you don’t have to live for a majority time in a place for it to be your primary residence. For instance, students who are staying at University Hostels are covered by their parents contents insurance (provided cover is specified as anywhere within New Zealand) if they are still returning to the family home at the end of Semester.

    In this case, Bill English is living in Wellington with his family because of his employment. Once his employment ends, he’ll be back to Dipton. Therefore, he is entitled to claim Dipton as his primary home and claim expenses on that basis. There is no legal problem caused by this.

    However, there is the political perception which Bill English has to endure. You could claim is not being ethical or that he should set an example when he is pushing for reduction in state spending – that view is valid, but to claim there is some mysterious law that Bill English is breaking is, frankly, bullshit.

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  141. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    Coddington writes and makes sense on welfare:

    The level of Joan Nathan from McGehan Close who has bred six kids on the DPB and doesn’t mind that her eldest, Aroha, is now in care because it’s a better life than she could provide? Who calls the Prime Minister an “arsehole” because he won’t close the gap using Other People’s Money? While she, and the arsehole father of the kids, takes no responsibility?

    This is the vile politics of envy, illustrated in an article last week, “10 election promises we want to hear”. One of these included a Parliamentary Commissar – sorry, Commissioner – for Equality, who would report each year to Government on how the country had progressed on equality between rich and poor, then get politicians to say what they would do about it.

    Because when most people talk about closing gaps between rich and poor, they want to drag the successful down to the level of the lowest, whereas I’d lift everyone up to the top, if I could. I’ve been poor and I’ve been wealthy, and I know which I prefer.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10705861

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  142. black paul (124 comments) says:

    Michael, it’s starting to look like you’re not much of a reader.

    If you’d be so kind as to point out where I’ve talked about Bill English breaking a “mysterious law” or ANY law for that matter, I’ll be more than happy to retract.

    I said he rented his own house to himself and gave us the bill. (For hundreds of thousands of dollars btw)

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  143. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Once his employment ends, he’ll be back to Dipton.

    You know this because he told you and you believe him ? You must be Lockwood Smith then ?

    Therefore, he is entitled to claim Dipton as his primary home and claim expenses on that basis.

    The ethical problem is, he’s been claiming it since 1996, the last year the family were living on the farm and that there is no requirement to prove otherwise, than for the Speaker of the House to accept his word at face value, that Dipton is his “primary place of residence”.

    Whatever changes to the system since the “Double Dipton” rorting scandal was exposed has been purely cosmetic to acknowledge a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy regarding Ministers renting their own homes off a family trust. The end result being Ministers are now riding the bludging bandwagon of benefits, with a tax free one off payment of $37,500 made per property with the only real savings to the taxpayer being on reduced admin costs and reduced provision of services relating to claiming occupancy related costs such as rent, chattels, utilities, cleaning and gardening.

    The real benefit for English is now there is no need for questions to be asked about one’s “primary place of residence” as Parliamentary Services, Ministerial Services and the Speaker don’t care anymore what one does with the allowance.

    There are however questions to be asked about the claims of one allowance per property as opposed to one claim per Minister. Meaning one can still legitimately double dip for one’s house in Wellington and one’s electorate house outside of Wellington.

    Questions should also be asked about why the change in provision for ministers should now be inclusive of their families. Since when did it become the states job and responsibility to provide for the sacrifice a minister makes by knowingly working away from home and family ?

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  144. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    I do hope the parasite trhat lurs around here gets his DPB stopped. A few hundreds bludgers, but how many more thousands to follow suit?

    C’mon Paula Bennett, do your job!

    Benefits axed for hundreds

    Taxpayer-funded globe trotter Peter Freedom is just one of 658 long-term beneficiaries whose welfare payments have been axed in a government crackdown.

    The long-term dole collectors – estimated to have pocketed millions of taxpayer dollars – had failed to reapply for their benefits or actively look for work after receiving payments for more than one year. The figures were revealed yesterday by Work and Income after revelations that Mr Freedom, 34, had travelled the world courtesy of New Zealand taxpayers for nearly two years.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/4652203/Benefits-axed-for-hundreds

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  145. black paul (124 comments) says:

    And most of them – if they’re out of work like 150,000 other kiwis – will be reapplying and be processed at great expense to WINZ and most of them will be approved because NOTHING has changed. The jobs still aren’t there.

    This policy is a PR excersize. It gives David something to excited about but in actual dollars, time and resources spent this is just extra cost on the state for NO gain whatsoever.

    But you lot all get your jollies for a couple of days so it’s money well spent, is it?

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