Fisking Andrew

February 4th, 2011 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

was on Morning Report today. I can’t recall which of his hats he was on as, but anyway he was talking . He said the Government needs to invest mreo in infrastructure to create jobs, specifcally:

“It complains about debt, it doesn’t make a distinction between public debt and private debt, actually the Government does have the means to continue at least spending on infrastructure projects that are about building assets and that are about creating real work. It is the very role the Government should be playing at the time of an economic downturn and it appears to have stepped aside from playing that role.”

But this is exactly what the Government is doing. It has not put a lot of money into social spending programmes like in the US, but it has increased and acclerated its infrastructure programme. Specifically:

  • The Government has embarked on the single biggest infrastructure investment programme ever over the next five to seven years.
  • It is spending $7.5 billion through the Budget process over five years. In addition it has increased spending on State Highways to over a $1 billion a year and is spending more than ever before on upgrading the National Grid. All up the Government is spending about $6 billion a year and rising.

Without this unprecedented level of investment in infrastructure, the construction sector would be in a bad way.

Andrew is also quoted as saying by the presenter:

While John Key insists there is an improving economic picture, Andrew Little says there is little change on the horizon to a flat market for New Zealand’s products and he says that in the next few weeks between 200 and 250 will be made redundant from the manufacturing sector with employers reviewing other positions as well.

The manufacturing sector though is actually a growing sector. The HLFS has the total number of manufacturing jobs growing by around 12,000 in the last quarter and 17,000 in the last year.

The job losses are in the financial and education sectors, not manufacturing.

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36 Responses to “Fisking Andrew”

  1. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    He was wearing his EPMU hat, but I noted that the presenter also mentioned his candidacy for New Plymouth. And you’re correct DPF – he was full of shit.

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  2. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Andrew Little is chief among the reasons this leftie fears Labour will get worse before it gets better. :-(

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  3. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Andrew Little was on Morning Report today. I can’t recall which of his hats he was on as, but anyway he was talking unemployment.

    At all times he is wearing all of them.

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  4. peterwn (3,273 comments) says:

    He is still talking through a hole in his hat, probably all three hats simultaneously.

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  5. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    “The job losses are in the financial and education sectors, not manufacturing.”

    It doesn’t take more than the normal 20 minutes of my (valuable to me) time waiting in the queue of the local branch of the BNZ to appreciate where financial sector jobs have gone. They usually have four tellers positions staffed except when it gets busy & they cut back to one or two.

    It is however a wonder where the education jobs have disappeared to.

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  6. ben (2,380 comments) says:

    Anybody hear Phil Goff get beaten up by Kathryn Ryan at about 9:30 today. She absolutely ripped him to pieces, IMHO. Goff confirmed, by the way, he is against any asset sales whatsoever, and would restart contributions to the Cullen fund immediately i.e. borrow to invest. Goff is a Keynesian but pronounces Keynes as “Cairns”.

    How sad, getting beaten up on National Radio pushing socialism. Can it get any worse for Phil Goff?

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  7. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    It’s very simple. If Labour wins the election, the economy will magically boom, thus providing windfall taxes to pay for Phil Goff’s spending extravaganza.

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  8. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    So, manufacturing jobs up, commodity prices up and dairy output forecast by the UN to be up 10% this year compounding price increases and makejob infrastructure projects pumping the economy to provide “real” jobs and Little is so out of touch he is discussing PAST figures as the future, what a fucking economic illiterate fuckwit. ‘Scuse my anglosaxon. No wonder Labour don’t want to tip Goff too soon.

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  9. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    Does anyone have the time or inclination to add up the cost of Labour promises(priorities) .
    AXE the Tax
    GST of some foods
    ECE
    increased ECE for 2 year olds
    They should then be printed on toilet roll and given out at election time for appropriate use

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  10. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    State highway construction and upgrading the national grid sound like highly specialised work. Any figures for how many jobs created / private sector firms involved? Not denying it’s work that needs to be done, and that there’ll be a flow-on effect to other sectors, but I can’t help wondering whether easing the housing shortage, for instance, might not have involved a wider range of firms and contractors?

    That, at least, was the thinking behind the Australian government’s “Building the Education Revolution” – that ordinary hammer hands, plumber apprentices etc would be employed on the work, not just engineers and plant operators as tends to happen with larger projects. I know a small waterproofing business in which I have a minor interest is gaining work through that program, and keeping up to four people employed… I cant imagine them being called in to help build roads, dams etc.

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  11. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Eeeeerrrrrr Rex, I’d keep my mouth shut about ‘Building the Education Revolution” if I were you. That’s the programme which paid $400,000 a piece for a whole lot of $100,000 school halls and made millionaires out of a number of scamster trades people.

    Are you one of them?

    Not sure but I think the whole mess might be the subject of a royal commission.

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  12. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    State highway construction and upgrading the national grid sound like highly specialised work.

    WTF??? Seriously Rex?

    Guys working on Road Construction can be anyone from highly educated Engineers and Surveyors, through machine operators and down to Labourers. Also, think of the third party spending on all the materials needed. Roading aggregate, bitumen, diesel, laboratory and compliance testing (and they are not all old men in white suits either! and barely any of them will be high paid…) etc…

    In short, the money goes far and wide, and a hell of a lot of the wages will be spent on guys working labouring jobs 14-15Hrs/day 7 days a week.

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  13. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Consulting engineers’ and surveyors’ fees for a major roading project would be in the order of a few percent of the cost.

    Shifting dirt takes real time, real horsepower and real money.

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  14. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    RRM @ 5.29pm

    Interesting comment. I remember as a kid watching various roading projects…..dozers, motorscrapers & the like all seemed the ultimate career when I was a young bugger. I’m still in awe of how this work was ever completed when I see relatively minor work such as the Kaitoke deviation north of Upper Hutt take years to finish with far superior equipment to what was available in the 50’s & 60’s.

    Contemplating such cock ups makes me wonder how NZ infrastructure was ever developed.

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  15. annie (539 comments) says:

    The lets-build-infrastructure for jobs thing was fine 50 to 60 years ago when the big public works projects did actually employ massive numbers of men, mostly on the end of a shovel or driving a smallish piece of machinery. With today’s equipment large projects need far fewer people – and most of them have to be trained in a relevant skill.

    Nice idea, but out of date.

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  16. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Give the poor feller a break. Maybe the radiation affected his brain.

    “EPMU national secretary Andrew Little has signed up for the “Movember” mens’ health campaign, in which men grow a moustache during the month of November to raise funds for prostate cancer research.

    The campaign raises funds for ongoing research into prostate cancer and draws attention to the other big mens’ health issue, depression.

    “I had my own brush with prostate cancer last year at the age of 43 and I know how important it is for blokes to be aware of the dangers, even at a relatively young age,” says Andrew Little.

    Regular progress reports about his moustache will be posted on Andrew Little’s Facebook site and the EPMU website: http://www.epmu.org.nz

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  17. Roflcopter (463 comments) says:

    Yeah Annie, coz those new-age 21st century shovels are impossible to use without tertiary training…

    Larger projects may use *marginally* fewer people, but once you have all the other bodies on-board to deal with modern health and safety requirements etc., the crews are back to big numbers again.

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  18. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Roflcopter

    You are on to it. The numbers lost through machinery appear more than adequately compensated for by the new bullshit industry: “Traffic Management”.

    You now can’t even cut down a fucking tree within 100m of the road without having a mega bullshit traffic flag fuckup fiasco nightmare that brings traffic to a standstill. And then the pricks leave their 30kph signs sitting out there when there is absolutely not one single fucking thing happening; no road works, no potholes no loose metal no absolutelyfuckinganything to justify fucking up orderly passage on the Queens highway other than some bollocks OSH handwringingnambypambybullshitnannyfuckupism bollocky bollocks. Just a bunch of otherwise unemployable traffic management deadbeats having a cup of fucking tea while everyone else is trying to get from A to B.

    In fact, if we did away with this bullshit and fired all of those pricks we wouldn’t need new roads because the traffic could just go back to normal.

    Tea anyone?

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  19. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Tea anyone?”

    Its all your doing. You vote National. They are spinelessly in the thrall of the bureaucracy. When have they ever said they were going to change any of these silly procedures or sack any of the bureaucrats who develop them? They merely hire more of them, and then scurry around gormlessly passing what ever legislation these wankers decide is necessary. And yet you keep voting for them. The way to stop it is for lamers like you to wake up.

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  20. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Building infrastructure isn’t hard it’s the bullshit that goes with it that kills it off. I believe 2 out of every 3 dollars spent on infrastructure is wasted on the bureaucracy. Talk about pissing it up against a wall.

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  21. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Interesting comment SSB. A couple of years ago we looked after an apartment building that our client built for about $12m. Council levies and what people like to call “compliance costs” were about $50k if memory serves.

    Of course the factors of safety which the building code requires us to use in the design (to prevent accidental collapse due to overloading or an earthquake) mean the building is probably about 40% or 50% stronger than it will ever need to be… residents of Christchurch might have a different perspective on whether this is money well spent than, say, a Kiwiblog small government zealot might.
    I can only imagine that the fire protection, gas and electricity supplies and various other items in the architect’s domain are probably required by legislation to be better than the bare minimum by a similar sort of margin. Is this what you meant by 2 out of 3 dollars pissed up against the wall on bureaucracy?

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  22. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    “metal no absolutelyfuckinganything to justify fucking up orderly passage on the Queens highway other than some bollocks OSH handwringingnambypambybullshitnannyfuckupism bollocky bollocks.”

    :) :)

    I take it then DV that you would agree that a HCC senior traffic engineer called “Wayne King” has found his true calling in life. :)

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  23. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Side show- Here’s a good read on housing costs which is much more sympathetic to your view than that of our self appointed “expert”.

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  24. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    …or by the new bullshit industry: “Traffic Management”.

    As someone who has worked on major highways, I can guarantee you it is not “bullshit” but absolutely necessary to ensure the safety of those doing the work.

    Rest assured there will always be some brain dead fuckwit who thinks that speed signs are communist control devices who doesnt know his arse from his elbow, or his brake from his accelerator. Having a truck with a impact barrier behind you is very reassuring.

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  25. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    I wish Wayne King could fix the really fucked traffic lights at the Whitesline East/Waiwhetu Road/Bell Road intersection.

    The fucking things have a mind of their own and have been fucked for years.

    I suspect they are controlled by Alan Funt’s heirs. :)

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  26. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Bevan

    A young Kiwi civil engineer had a pair of workman’s shorts framed and hanging in his Geralton (Western Australia) office when I visited him in 1971.

    They had been worn by one of his staff who was resealing a section of state highway 1 when one of your fuckwits came through the 30k zone at about 110 kph. The car’s door handle caught on the hip pocket which was sturdily sewn on. So sturdy in fact that the shorts ripped in half through the crutch and the staff member was unscratched. Just denuded.

    He was luckier than the girl who sat on the railway bridge when the train came along.

    Disaster.

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  27. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Tell you what I’m getting sick of the endless roadworks over the Wadestown hill – they’re digging sections of metre-wide trenches seemingly down the whole stretch of road. God knows what they’re doing but it’s a pain in the ass going to and from work every day and having to wait 5-10 mins at the same spot for weeks on end… /grump

    And speaking of ultrafast broadband, what worries me will be how much roadworks we’ll need for that…

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  28. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    I suspect you mean Alan Funt’s “ears”.

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  29. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    Thought I heard him on ZB, bleating about how the government should bring forward an $85 million spend on a new hospital in Taranaki, ie New Plymouth, as an ideal example of what he meant – pork, just like Winston and his bridge in Tauranga – pork

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  30. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Adolf, WTF are you saying? That if they hadn’t had a 30km limit 300 km up the road from where the work was actually happening, that prick would have been blasting through at 190kph?

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  31. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    “He was luckier than the girl who sat on the railway bridge when the train came along.

    Disaster.”

    Why?

    Had she already removed her shorts? :)

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  32. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    # adamsmith1922 (632) Says:
    February 4th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Thought I heard him on ZB, bleating about how the government should bring forward an $85 million spend on a new hospital in Taranaki, ie New Plymouth, as an ideal example of what he meant – pork, just like Winston and his bridge in Tauranga – pork

    Well in 14 years or so he had to do something good and this was it. Having not had a bloody cent spent in this electorate for the last 40 years we deserved to have this bridge.
    We are the only town/city in NZ to have a toll road and we would quite like you all to take that off our hands as well. Don’t mind paying the tolls but as ratepayers we could do without the debt so save up and we will sell it to you cheap. You can collect the tolls.

    I think that even Redbaiter would approve of our bridge. Makes getting from the golf to the hot pools a lot quicker and easy now.

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  33. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    At least with a toll road you can get an idea how uneconomic some of these pork barrel highways are. I mean if they were so valuable why couldn’t you toll some of these roads to 100% construction and maintainence cost recovery. Puhoi-Wellsford (or is it just Puhoi-Warkworth now) you’d be needing to pay $25 a trip to pay for the $1-2 billion plus upkeep. Now that would be proper users pay.

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  34. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Johnboy. Couldn’t resist almost gratuitously slipping that one in there. Actually is was one of the many corny jokes my Grandfather brought home from Gallipoli. They used to think them up to amuse each other because there wasn’t much else there which was funny.

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  35. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Slowing bloody cars down, this works, drop two five metre loads of GAP40 across the road, when the ignorant fuckers hit it going too fast after having ignored the 30 KMH signs they get a surprise.
    One prick was airborne after he hit it, the council whined that some motorist may get injured.
    Not a word about how the lads would do after being clobbered by a car at 80KMH.

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  36. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Was that “Little twerp” perhaps ?

    I look forward to his entering parliament – that will cramp his style as all backbenchers have found out.

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