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I like the idea of compulsory job training and placement after an extended period on a benefit, but doubt it will happen. Also compulsory drug and alcohol treatment for those on sickness benefits for those reasons.
BREAKFAST on ONE yesterday morning were making a big deal of the Obama’s not being invited to the April 29 wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton, without mentioning President Putin, the Chinese chief and Japanese Emperor are also not on the list of guests.
But John Key and wife Bronagh and Governor-General Sir Anand Satyanand and his wife Susan are – by dint of being among 60 Governors-General and Realm Prime Ministers, which makes me wonder why this is not a target of adverse Harawira [Hatfield] comment, being a direct reflection of the colonialism which is supposedly at the centre of all their grief.
I guess stirring up international media covering the World Cup is just easier. Or are the
Harawira [Hatfield]s concerned that demeaning both the Royal Wedding and World Cup might bring too greater backlash?
The key is not to cut benefits, but to cut the number of beneficiaries – or more correctly, to help more people get off benefits. That’s as it should be.
If we could reduce the number of beneficiaries to half and give those still on benefits and deserving of them a 10% increase we would all be better off.
The focus of the report is not reducing the immediate cost of welfare by cutting payments, it’s about reducing costs by increasing incentives to work and getting people off benefits for good.
I put a comment up on this post (http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/02/21/dont-blame-the-help-john/) by Chris Hipkins that told of how Helen Clark ordered the DPS to speed to get to a rugby match; and how she engineered the removal of Peter Doone. That was in reply to Hpkins’ claim that “Blaming the staff is a pretty weak way to operate. I certainly can’t imagine any of those Ministers, including Helen Clark using the excuse…
Guess what happend to the comment.
Never, ever tell the truth about Dear Leader on that blog. You will be exterminated.
@ Brian; do you know what goes into laying a road? not just any monkey can do it. Well on second thoughts they can but it would be a waste of time and money.
There is a good article in todays Herald re a man who has applied for 120 jobs. He is asking the obvious question..Where are the jobs? I know a man in CHCH who has an Honours degree in engineering , speaks about half a dozen languages , has all sorts of experience and can’t get a job..so how are sickness beneficiaries supposed to get jobs?
Many of the people on invalids benefits are people with psychiatric illnesses who are up to their eyeballs on anti psychotic medications..Do you really want these people in your work places? The ones who are able to work part time are already working part time.
This big fuss about benefits is just cheap politics , nothing more , nothing less. Anyone who thinks it is anything real or genuine is a fool.
I see Cactus Kate has been put under moderation which is surprising because `Intolerent Trev’ usually lets the big names in blogging get away with more than we nobodies.
The Welfare Working Group’s final report will be released today, giving the Government possible solutions to long-term dole dependency.
It is understood the group will recommend solo parents get work from when the child is three years old.
The days could be numbered for those who have chosen to breed at our expense.
The question is: will Labour lite have the courage to implement this particular initiative?
Puzzled, you should be expressing surprise that there isn’t a “special invitations to the wedding for Maori” policy being advanced along the lines of council seats for maori. Surely “old Tits” and John would be appropriate attendees at the Abbey and would happily Kapa Haka into the wee small hours with the other royal boys and girls.
John Key had a goal of becoming Prime Minister, and he succeeded. A bonus was becoming an unusually well liked and popular PM. If that was his ultimate goal then he will cruise through a term or two with a few hiccups and a few accolades, and then fade away.
If he has gone as far as he wants to go then there is a major risk, and there are signs of it, of his casual approach spreading through his office and his government.
If he wants to raise his sights, and aim to be a great PM rather than just a nice PM, then he needs to start lifting himself above his successful blokiness, not all the time but to lift his game often enough to show he is capable of lifting the country rather than just chugging along. The country may like a friend but it needs a leader.
So, Neville tells us that he will not cut benefits, and, yesterday we heard that bludgers are to receive a 3.7% increase.
All of this money will be coming from the private sector, the question I have is this, how many of you who in the private sector enjoyed a 3.7% wage increase last year?
Not many, because at that level employers want self starters – people who will turn up and ask for a job. That’s why McDonalds/KFC/New World/NZ Post don’t advertise for staff.
All of this money will be coming from the private sector, the question I have is this, how many of you who in the private sector enjoyed a 3.7% wage increase last year?
Posted at 4:15pm Monday 21st Feb, 2011
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Bay of Plenty based MPs are claiming more taxpayer dollars for their expenses, with a total of $427,075 spent by MPs in the region in 2010.
Tony Ryall racked up the biggest bill with $103,699 for the year, although he is required to travel extensively as Minister of Health and State Services Minister.
Steve Chadwick came in second with $91,774, followed by Te Ururoa Flavell on $91,733, Todd McClay with $70,368 and Simon Bridges on $69,501.
Begs the question as to when Chadwick is going to hand us back some dosh? A shiity list MP.
No dole or any other welfare unless you’re had 10 consecutive years of PAYE. Letting young people slip out of school/polly directly onto the dole is plain destructive. Limit dole to 6 months.
Ditch the minimum wage, or at least have no minimum for under 18s. That way kids can get jobs before they leave school and get a work ethic. A country which has adults manning check-out counters is on the wrong path.
Wheres the story about Hone and David “the Jackal” Garretts slanging match in the Koru lounge?
By all accounts Garrett was holding his own until he was told to “Stop stealing dead babies identities”
Maybe the wannabe mossad operative thought that Hone was a fruit sniffer
Sue Bradford (ex list MP) has organised a protest against a report she hasn’t read. She and her ilk believe the welfare system is a success and no change can be countenanced. Even unknown changes are bad, in Sue’s little mind.
Dole / sickness / invalids benefit available for maximum 12 weeks. There are jobs out there. Go and do some gardening and start up a small business. Drop some leaflets around the area you live. You can then walk to your jobs carrying your gear…you only need a hoe , a fork and some pruners. You can charge 20 bucks an hour. Theres one idea.
“…Maori Party MP Hone Harawira was reportedly approached by disgraced former Act MP David Garrett in an airport lounge last night – and called a “racist hater”.
On his Twitter account, TV3 political reporter Patrick Gower said Mr Garrett had walked up to Mr Harawira and called him a “racist hater” -
- before asking if he was “enjoying the scrutiny”….”
(apparantly harawira was holding a mango at the time….so garrett may indeed have caught him ‘sniffing;..”
..and we all know that sets the garrett off…eh..?..
..it’s one of his many ‘triggers’…eh..?..the sniff-trigger….)
let’s put the kids back down the mines..eh malco[l]m..?
Phil – as a long-term unrepentant bludger – your opinion on welfare and work carries no weight, no credibility and no respect. You are the problem we’re trying to get off our backs. Parasites like you are dragging this country down. You’re a disgrace. And a website which no one reads, and which you create on our coin, in no ways mitigates your parasitism.
And you know it. Which is why you always refer to your hobby in lame defence when challenged on your bludging. So somewhere in your rotten little mind, you have a small vestige of self-respect. I suggest your nurture it, get off your arse and do something productive and stop being a parasite. I understand you have a teenage son. You’ve probably got 1-2 years before he realises that you’re a complete loser. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. So there’s still time. Get a job, anything to start, and nurture that stunted little tree of self-respect and who knows. In a years time your son might just have some respect for you.
Phil Ure. Please explain to me why you cant carry out the sort of work I just suggested. Dont tell me you are busy. You spend all day on this website. Dont tell me you are busy with your boy…you can do gardening betwen 9 and 3..hell you can even do it cash under the table..so dont bother with the line…” Im only allowed a max 85 a week income.
The BMW story is frankly boring, just lame political points scoring. Media and public scrutiny will not make one iota of a difference to the outcome which is that the new cars are on the way, I would advise the media to get over it.
The Rebstock Welfare Report being released today is also in the same catergory, a political treatise exercised in public. This report is no more than a political affirmation to satsify the right. Beating up on beneficiaries is a tiresome tactic used by the right whereas no one is critically examining the global decline in jobs as a result of Chinas’ dominance of manufacturing. We want cheap consumer goods but the cost is far more than the sticker price, that is what we all face now.
New Zealand and other western nations are not immune to the type of protest activity witnessed in the Middle East, cut the dole and we will suffer the consequences.
“New Zealand and other western nations are not immune to the type of protest activity witnessed in the Middle East, cut the dole and we will suffer the consequences.”
What on earth do you base that on?, for a uprising to have any chance there has to be broad support, there has to be an underlying current of dislike in the ruling powers.
A cut in the dole would have huge support among working Kiwis, the same working Kiwis who have been fucked over by successive governments.
I’m sorry Joana but you don’t seem in touch with reality… I briefly worked at WINZ a few years ago (I also went out and found myself bar work on evenings- without too much difficulty)…It astounded me the number of long term unemployed who were not interested in even looking for work. During my time there I arranged a seminar with employment prospects/potential employers for 120 suitable jobseekers, only 20 or so ‘jobseekers’ bothered to get out of bed and turn up, Of those 20 I managed to find work for 2 of them. That’s a phenomenal strike rate of 2 hits and 118 misses. And trust me this was an opportunity for anyone who genuinely wanted to work. The average New Zealander would be horrified at how many use our ‘oh so cushy’ welfare system as a lifestyle choice. All the free perks- Food Vouchers, Doctors, Dentists, ‘Special entitlements’…the money is just thrown at these people..
As for your defence of those on Invalids Benefits. Yes many of these people do have disabilities, any some are genuinely incapable of work…but I know of a young man who is mentally handicapped yet still holds down a full time job/ anything is possible. And lets not forget in my experience a great percentage of these ‘Invalids Benefit’ recipients were in fact addicted to Cannabis…
The BMW story is frankly boring, just lame political points scoring. Media and public scrutiny will not make one iota of a difference to the outcome which is that the new cars are on the way…
No, but that is not the significance of the story.
The significance of the story is what the initial decisions and subsequent inability to satisfactorily explain what happened says about Key (and the rest of his government).
The BMW story is frankly boring, just lame political points scoring.
I disagree. It demonstrates in an easily understood way, that the government aren’t serious about NZ’s debt problem. They’re talking but not walking. Sure, on the surface it’s just about replacing some cars according to an existing contract. But it becomes emblematic for the government and hopefully it forces them to change that perception by real action in other areas.
The disciplinary process against the thug Harawira goes on and on.
If the racists are unable to make a decision and deal to this rascal, how do we expect them to correctly exercise judgement on important matters. Stone Age people for an Stone Age party.
Yes Philu. My time at WINZ was brief as I used it as a ‘stepping stone’ once I finished University. It certainly wasn’t my ‘dream job’ (neither was bartending) but unlike many, I was prepared to knuckle down and do the hard yards until I found something I really wanted to do.
Oh and I’m not a ‘snivelling liar’ as you so eloquently put it….I witnessed many Dentists bills paid off in full under the guise of ‘Emergency Entitlement’…It recall it really bugged me at the time as I had been a poor student for a few years and my teeth were falling apart! But alas no-one was offering to throw money at me!!
First of all a few years ago there was jobs a-plenty and NZ was ‘importing’ unskilled labour from the pacific islands, proof positive there is a significant hard core who will NEVER get off their arses and work.
Second is I know MANY people personally who make wonderful statements like ” by the time I take everything into account I am earning only slightly more than on the dole, therefore I won’t bother to work” and my ah-hem favourite ” I choose to stay at home on the DPB so I can be there for my kids when they get home”.
This is a sure fire recipe to bottom of the heap. And whats more it’s taking money from people who work, thats where the money comes from, working people whom get up at dawn and work long hours so others can take it easy at home.
Good post longknives. The fact is there are too few productive people left in New Zealand, and too many bludging, bloodsucking leeches like Phail Ure.
I’d like to know, KevinH, what you meant by the comment “New Zealand and other western nations are not immune to the type of protest activity witnessed in the Middle East, cut the dole and we will suffer the consequences.”
Are you really suggesting that a pack of leeches who can’t be bothered getting out of bed to look for a job, will be able to get out of bed to stage a revolution?
Are you seriously suggesting the division of the looming Civil War in New Zealand will be bludgers vs. productive and not Corporate Iwi and their useful idiots vs. everyone else?
Manolo (10.55am) are you surprised the Apartheid Party haven’t booted John Hatfield out yet? Surely, you don’t think this will be resolved before the election do you? the Apartheid Party needs to keep Hatfield inside the tent at least until the election because both of the 2 other scenarios (Hatfield as Independent or Hatfield in a new communist party with Bradford and Mmmmmmccarten) leeches votes fromt the Apartheid party. They’re savages, but they’re not stupid savages.
I see Quisling Key is already hedging on his response to the Welfare report. Comments like “… I think most New Zealanders would think that’s a little on the extreme side” can mean only one thing. The Rebstock report will be filed in the circular filing cabinet alongside the 2025 Taskforce ones, and New Zealand will continue its journey towards Third World Socialist Utopia status.
Are you seriously suggesting the division of the looming Civil War in New Zealand will be bludgers vs. productive and not Corporate Iwi and their useful idiots vs. everyone else?
No one would seriously suggest either, unless perhaps they are trying to talk up some sort of fantasy shit from the safety of another country.
I have no real life experience of dealing with WINZ, from your posts I can see you do. It would be useful if you could impart some of that experience and therefore give us a better understanding of the mechanics.
In the MSM today I note Bradford is suggesting that moving from 6 years to 14 weeks is a step too far when it comes to work testing recipients, I note you are the parent of two children that you acknowledge, both are over 6 years old, this means on a number of occasions you wlii have experienced and obviously passed this test.
Please explain the nature of this test, and how you would improve the proceedure to ensure the right outcomes.
I accept there are different views on what the right outcomes may be, please help us to understand the system.
“no..what i am saying is that we will see a new bunch of fake rightwing commenters here this year..
national will do/use that as a campaigning tactic…”
Meanwhile we already have numerous fake left wing fuck tards using multiple indentities and no shortage of left wing trolls in the pay of labour and the greens whose evident sole employment is to come here and talk crap.
Projection much?
Stop trolling and go and look for a job asshole. Your free ride is over and your drug induced hysterical rants are not going to feed your addiction loser.
It [Welfare Working Group] was also expected to recommend that women who had more children when they were already on a benefit be required to go back to work when the baby was 14 weeks old.
“Personally I feel a bit queasy about that, I think that’s a step too far, I think most New Zealanders would think that’s a little on the extreme side,” Key said.
Translation: John Key says not to any meaningful reform of the DPB. More children born to keep mum/dad on the DPB and more child abuse cases, about which I’m supposed to feel guilty. As someone else said recently, I ignore all stats about how bad NZ is until I see a demographic breakdown.
One can only hope so Phool, if feral parents realise they are no longer going to be able to breed for a living then we might be heading in the right direction.
Damn, is Hone turning into a moderate, what happened to the days when he would have decked Garrett. Hell even Nat voters would cheer at the sight.
grumpyoldhori, I doubt if Hone or any of his family would attack anyone who was likely to fight back. You just have to look at the history of his family’s cowardly attacks on mental health patients they were mean to be looking after.
Apartheid Party ? hmm, nope do not see any white South Africans who lived happily with the apartheid regime in place in the Maori party.
So how many white South Africans are in National electorates helping to choose the next Nat MPs ?
Jeez, jarpies are fucking dumb, assuming that a white woman would be happy to hear about the good ole days in sud affrica.
Extensive welfare shake-up needed: report
MARTIN KAY
Last updated 12:00 22/02/2011
More than three quarters of all beneficiaries will be forced to seek work or face cuts to their payments under sweeping recommendations from the Government’s Welfare Working Group.
Sole parents, beneficiaries aged under 18 and those with drug and alcohol problems would be subject to the strictest controls if the plans are implemented in full, with harsh financial penalties for failure to comply.
Until the govt. do what it supposed to do and get the economy working so that we have th jobs then nothing will change other than beating up beneficiaries..
People like BB who rant continuously are nothing but bullies anduntill BB can show he hs vreated lots of kobs in this current economy he is just all noise along with the many others like him.
Change you attitudes and start attacking the Govt. and its anti business behavoir.
then you will make a difference.
Offshore_Kiwi you do not live,work or pay taxes in NZ so in reality you are just a foreigner ranting on about a foreign country.
Just drop your NZ passport because you are doing fuck all for NZ at all.
Fuck I have more time for ACT party types who stay and fight the good fight than those who fuck off when the going gets a bit tough.
Bloody wimps they are who leave then whine about NZ
That and your depiction of Christians and Christianity is so far removed from reality, it warrants no reply, except of course, to tell you you are in error.
When reading the welfare report, keep in mind that Rebstock is an economist, the profession that has successfully predicted 41 of the last 2 recessions.
The nation needs to move forward, the quickest way would be to drown the economists.
The first bit of the welfare working group report says
Grow up and seek your destiny and stretch forth your hands for the tools of the western world to sustain you. Turn your heart to the treasures of your ancestors, your plumage, and place your spirit unto God to whom all things belong.
Time someone told these useless shits that this is NOT the USofA, that NZ has a proud, secular tradition that must be maintained and that GOD has no fucking place in public policy!
There is no god, religion poisons everything.
Now I wonder how much of this report is based on fact, and how much the dogmatic religious beliefs of its authors.
“..# ciaron (476) Says:
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
That and your depiction of Christians and Christianity is so far removed from reality, it warrants no reply, except of course, to tell you you are in error…”
oh..!..really..!
‘it warrants no reply’…eh..?
and do try to tell us how rightwing christians opposing state support for sole mothers/and approving of cracking down on them….
..dosen’t cause all those abortions…eh..?
..tell us how those aborted children aren’t directly down to you..
..and yr vile/stigmatising ‘politics’..
..eh..?
you wouldn’t know ‘christian’ if it came up and bit you on the arse..
A Welfare Working Group report released to Government today calls for fundamental changes to reduce the state’s “unacceptably high” welfare bill.
Its key recommendation is scrapping all existing benefits, including the Domestic Purposes and Sickness Benefits, and replacing them with a single Jobseeker Support payment.
Under the new system, a vast majority of beneficiaries would be required to apply for jobs regardless of difficult family circumstances, long term illness or disability.
Some bludgers will be forced to work. It can only be good!
Bloody U.N. lectures New Zealand about the natives:
A United Nations report has highlighted what it says is the “extreme disadvantage” of Maori in comparison to the rest of the country.
The report was tabled in the General Assembly by the Special Rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, James Anaya.
In a mixed review, however, he hails the “significant strides” taken to advance the rights of Maori in recent years.
“The Special Rapporteur cannot help but note the extreme disadvantage in the social and economic conditions of Maori people in comparison to the rest of New Zealand society,” the UN report says.
“This disadvantage, which manifests itself across a range of indicators, including education, health, and income, is certainly detrimental to Maori people’s ability to act in partnership with the Crown, as contemplated under the Treaty of Waitangi.
“The Special Rapporteur notes that this disadvantage especially manifests itself among Maori people living in urban areas.”
Anaya notes that “regrettably” New Zealand continues to incarcerate Maori at a high rate.
One is tempted to ask: why do they offend so much?
..tell us how those aborted children aren’t directly down to you..
I’d say “correlation is not causation” except that there is in fact no bloody correlation either.
The fact is that benny-dom appears to breed people who are so lazy and feckless that they can’t even be bothered to go to a family planning clinic and get some subsidised condoms, so they use abortion as a form of contraception…
Offering $100 in the back pocket to any benficiary that gets a vasectomy or tube-tie will cut that abortion rate for ya.
Reference Number 3468575
Universal Time February 21 2011 at 23:51
NZ Daylight Time Tuesday, February 22 2011 at 12:51 pm
Latitude, Longitude 43.60°S, 172.71°E
Focal Depth 5 km
Richter magnitude 6.3
Region Canterbury
Location
Within 5 km of Lyttelton
Within 5 km of Diamond Harbour
10 km south-east of Christchurch
My bro working in CBD txts that the tower of the Cathedral has collapsed (not the whole church as stuff is reporting) and numerous shop fronts have fallen into the streets.
Due to the proximity to the city, and the shallow depth this is likely to be worse than the 7.1.
It was a strong shake on the West Coast, was about to jump under the office desk!
This could be a very significant tragedy, I just hope no one was killed.
New Zealand’s Currency Tumbles After 6.3 Earthquake
The New Zealand dollar dropped after the southern city of Christchurch was affected by an earthquake.
The currency slid 0.8 percent to 75.80 U.S. cents as of 1:11 p.m. in Wellington, the biggest drop in more than a week, from 76.38 cents yesterday in New York.
A 6.3 magnitude temblor was recorded off the south island of New Zealand, the U.S. Geological Survey reported.
At least one person has been confirmed dead after after a 6.3 magnitude earthquake in Christchurch caused buildings to collapse and streets to crack and flood this afternoon.
The Fire Service confirmed to Radio New Zealand that there had been “deaths” and to Newstalk ZB that there was at least one dead.
Christchurch resident Jane Smith, who works in the central city, told the Herald a work colleague had just returned from helping rescue efforts after a building facade had collapsed on a bus on Colombo St.
“There’s people dead. He was pulling them out of a bus. Columbo St is completely munted.”
Hone Harawira is likely to be booted out of the Maori Party after a committee deciding his fate recommended to cancel his membership.
The Disciplinary and Disputes committee met yesterday to try and resolve the complaint made by Waiariki MP Te Ururoa Flavell after the Tai Tokerau MP published an article in a Sunday newspaper critical of the cosy relationship his party had with National.
Thoughts go out to the people of Christchurch, what an awful day.
On another note, did anyone catch a glimpse of the Herald online headlines before the quake hit? One of the most disgraceful pieces of journalism to come out of the tabloid for some time (which is saying something).
It read something like “National recommends chain gangs for unwed single mothers on DPB” when our sap ruling party arent even going to implement any of the reforms.
Just read the thread. Wanted to stab my knife into philus decomposing; body. Philu you fuckbag. Saying that cutting the benefit will raise rate of abortion is utter bs. Family planning already gives you all the free rubbers you want. I used them often when making passionate student love in my younger days. So the guvmint has already provided a solution for a problem you just createed.
..you reckon that the life of penury of most sole-mothers..
The life of solo mothers parents on the DPB is self-imposed, phil. Other people work, get pregnant, take parental leave, go back to work.
Many of their children get overseas holidays, a great education cause they pay for it, general life experiences that people with a “benefit entitlement” attitude will never be able to give their kids, not because “the system” holds them down, but because they just don’t choose to. They just don’t love their kids enough to give them the very very best of everything, apparently, because other people do this, with or without a Masters degree, all the time.
Just look at the workforce.
These very same children also grow up with absolutely no scars from not having their mum home when they get home from school, either because wise old mum successfully weaned them off that with no side-effects whatsoever.
“So which category are you in phil?”
Phool is in the category of ‘take what you can get’ from anyone who will give. LEECH.
A fucking leech, everyone knows Phool is a LEECH but there is no way to stop this until someone grows some balls.
Got that NATIONAL?
That wasn’t a promise to you phil it was a promise to me but I found your perspectives upon consideration so profoundly in error that I felt compelled to call bullshit.
..i wonder how he marries that with his anti-abortion religious-beliefs..?
Why I can’t recall my ever elucidating my personal position on abortion phil. Perhaps you’d care to enlighten. Of course, if you don’t quote, with at least a link to my post so we can see it in context, then j’accuse liar, tres terrible. Mont blanc.
I used to be uneasy about abortion, and certainly more so after thirteen weeks, I sure as hell do not and could not support late term or partial birth abortion under any circumstances.
Having said that, I now believe that there are nowhere near enough abortions (inside the 13 week mark) in NZ, more of our feral types should be encouraged to have terminations, it is the only way we will stop the trend of scum breeding scum.
Firstly language is important phil and your choice of language in “right-wing Christian” indicate you think of me more as someone who likes uniforms than someone who realised early on that self-discipline is the key to success. “Traditional” or “Conservative” (as in, wants to conserve) are more accurate.
Is this the same thing as stereotyping you as a typically arrogant green lefty layabout which many on this blog classify you as?
How can we possibli take you seriously phil when you commit the very crimes you so decry?
phlu, I’m a pragmatist. I’m not promoting abortions, contraception is always a better option, but I realise some people make poor choices and need help sorting their lives out.
What really happened when Elton John and David Furnish decided to have a baby.
They had their sperm mixed together and had a surrogate mother artificially inseminated with it. When the baby was born Elton and David were waiting at the hospital. They were ushered into a ward where a dozen babies were lying in their cots, eleven of whom were crying and screaming. Over in the corner, one baby was smiling serenely. A nurse came over to both of them and indicated that the happy child was theirs.
“Isn’t it wonderful?” Elton said to David. “All these unhappy babies ……… and yet our baby is so happy. This just proves the superiority of gay love!”
The nurse said, “Oh sure, he’s happy now, but just watch what happens when I pull the thermometer out of his arse!”
Can someone please point me to the final report of the Welfare Working Group? Inexplicably they’ve not put it on their own website where they have the earlier reports:
What does NZ really need to stimulate the economy? If I was to chip in for 1 hour of someone’s labour each week, then how many kiwis doing the same would it take to subsidise enough jobs to ‘fix’ our economy? And how would we most efficiently handle creating the jobs? Encourage small businesses, cafe’s, rest homes, hospitals etc to simply add extra staff on their payroll? Apprenticeships, start up businesses. I’m sure a pretty good dent could be made in the unemployment level.
Or can’t the problem be fixed with subsidies?
Fair enough venting off Ciaron. It highlights how trivial a lot of the bitching is here, petty point scoring that means nothing in the wider scheme of things. We often get obsessed with nonsense – the earthquake brings home the realities of what really matters, lives, families and friends, fear and having a safe place to live. We don’t appreciate enough how lucky we usually are, and we can now see close up how devastating nature can be and real hardship it can deliver.
Agreed Pete. Normally I do not bother to negotiate Phil’s own peculiar hieroglyphical style but in the light of Ciaron’s rich and eloquent delivery I thought I would look at what it was all about. No-one can deny his passion but over-riding that is the complete lack of logic and offensiveness of his comments. They approach the same degree of obnoxiousness that warranted his last ban. To quote a former King of England ..”who will rid us of this troublesome prick?” or words to that effect.
Phil.
You do not know me and you know nothing about my politics, religious, ethical and moral beliefs. They are my beliefs and I am comfortable living by them. I do not preach them to others and I do not have to explain them or justifiy them to you. One thing that I will explain to you is this: You have no right whatsover to make any assumption about any views that I hold about abortion and how or even whether I consider it in the context of so-called Christian beliefs. You have no justification for saying that I am greed driven or hypocritical. I have not and do not intend to get into this debate in this forum.
Your lack of logic is more than adequately demonstrated in that because I have criticised your reasoning vis-a-vis ciaron I am a “sick fucken greed-driven fucken hypocrite…”
If your skin is crawling Phil it is more likely to be substance driven because absolutely nothing I said justified your nasty little diatribe.
Ciaron said… FUCK YOU CUNT I WAS IN AN EARTHQUAKE.
Ciaron, Phil hasn’t seen one in ages. He only visits Susan right-hand and Mandy left-hand every night. I bet that he’s got calluses on his palms as a result of those regular visits to Susan and Mandy.
I guess more than enough of us have had a gutsful of the despicable behaviour from the parasite and bludger that lurks around here.
Personally, I RIPped the louse long ago, but from others’ responses I’m inclined to write to DPF asking him to put a stop to his disruptive actions. Enough.
Come on DPF, Phool the parasite is clearly trolling, given the events of the last 24 hours I would suggest that his actions are more despicable than normal.
“..You have no right whatsover to make any assumption about any views that I hold about abortion and how or even whether I consider it in the context of so-called Christian beliefs…”
well..no need to really go inside your head…
…if you support the stigmatising/targeting of sole parents…
..no matter what internal loop-de-loops you may do to reconcile/justify that..
It pains me to even bother responding to your inanities, but I will nonetheless.
Your logic is fundamentally warped.
If, as you claim, that a change to DPB that would require mothers to go back to work when the first child is 3 will drive up the rate of abortions, then what you are really saying is that those same mothers only get pregnant (under the current regime) for the money.
Is that your claim phil; that women use the DPB today for a lifestyle?
“..They approach the same degree of obnoxiousness that warranted his last ban…”
nookin..what exactly is ‘obnoxious’ about making the welfare-rates/societal attitudes to sole-mothers connection to our world-beating abortion rates..?
is it ‘obnoxious’ because it makes you think of that connection..?
What part of “I have not and do not intend to get into this debate in this forum” do you not understand Phillip?
What am I doing here?
1. You are not the hub of this Blog despite your aspirations to be so. I read other comments.
2. I debate to learn and inform. I learn nothing from you and you are beyond learning.
3. I chose not to debate abortion on a blogsite. Fuck you for suggesting that I do not have that right.
4. I do not regard responding to acrimonious and unjustified criticism as playing silly games.
5. I do not subscribe to your theory that because I do not express support for your views then I am opposed to them and am therefore evil. Because you are bigotted enough to hold those views then I do not intend engaging with you.
Clear enough? Now fuck off!
Aren’t the Democrats quickly turning their name into an oxymoron!? Now Democrats have fled Indiana, like their Wisconsin namesakes, in order to stymie the democratic process. I hear next year Obama’s campaign slogan will be “Yes We Ran”.
February 22nd, 2011 at 8:07 am
They do say that sunlight is the best disinfectant.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/4685242/Sarah-Palin-expose-in-the-works
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:12 am
Welfare report – wishlist?
I like the idea of compulsory job training and placement after an extended period on a benefit, but doubt it will happen. Also compulsory drug and alcohol treatment for those on sickness benefits for those reasons.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:14 am
BREAKFAST on ONE yesterday morning were making a big deal of the Obama’s not being invited to the April 29 wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton, without mentioning President Putin, the Chinese chief and Japanese Emperor are also not on the list of guests.
Vote:But John Key and wife Bronagh and Governor-General Sir Anand Satyanand and his wife Susan are – by dint of being among 60 Governors-General and Realm Prime Ministers, which makes me wonder why this is not a target of adverse Harawira [Hatfield] comment, being a direct reflection of the colonialism which is supposedly at the centre of all their grief.
I guess stirring up international media covering the World Cup is just easier. Or are the
Harawira [Hatfield]s concerned that demeaning both the Royal Wedding and World Cup might bring too greater backlash?
February 22nd, 2011 at 8:21 am
The welfare report is already consigned to the rubbish bin given Neville Key’s statement last night that he would not be cutting benefits.
Another golden chance missed to really make a difference.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:26 am
The key is not to cut benefits, but to cut the number of beneficiaries – or more correctly, to help more people get off benefits. That’s as it should be.
If we could reduce the number of beneficiaries to half and give those still on benefits and deserving of them a 10% increase we would all be better off.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:28 am
The focus of the report is not reducing the immediate cost of welfare by cutting payments, it’s about reducing costs by increasing incentives to work and getting people off benefits for good.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:41 am
Make them work for their benefit. 80,000 people with shovels and picks can make a lot of roads.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:48 am
I put a comment up on this post (http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/02/21/dont-blame-the-help-john/) by Chris Hipkins that told of how Helen Clark ordered the DPS to speed to get to a rugby match; and how she engineered the removal of Peter Doone. That was in reply to Hpkins’ claim that “Blaming the staff is a pretty weak way to operate. I certainly can’t imagine any of those Ministers, including Helen Clark using the excuse…
Guess what happend to the comment.
Never, ever tell the truth about Dear Leader on that blog. You will be exterminated.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:49 am
@ Brian; do you know what goes into laying a road? not just any monkey can do it. Well on second thoughts they can but it would be a waste of time and money.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 am
There is a good article in todays Herald re a man who has applied for 120 jobs. He is asking the obvious question..Where are the jobs? I know a man in CHCH who has an Honours degree in engineering , speaks about half a dozen languages , has all sorts of experience and can’t get a job..so how are sickness beneficiaries supposed to get jobs?
Vote:Many of the people on invalids benefits are people with psychiatric illnesses who are up to their eyeballs on anti psychotic medications..Do you really want these people in your work places? The ones who are able to work part time are already working part time.
This big fuss about benefits is just cheap politics , nothing more , nothing less. Anyone who thinks it is anything real or genuine is a fool.
February 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 am
Banned are you Gooner?
I see Cactus Kate has been put under moderation which is surprising because `Intolerent Trev’ usually lets the big names in blogging get away with more than we nobodies.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 am
The Welfare Working Group’s final report will be released today, giving the Government possible solutions to long-term dole dependency.
It is understood the group will recommend solo parents get work from when the child is three years old.
The days could be numbered for those who have chosen to breed at our expense.
Vote:The question is: will Labour lite have the courage to implement this particular initiative?
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 am
Puzzled, you should be expressing surprise that there isn’t a “special invitations to the wedding for Maori” policy being advanced along the lines of council seats for maori. Surely “old Tits” and John would be appropriate attendees at the Abbey and would happily Kapa Haka into the wee small hours with the other royal boys and girls.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 am
Make them work for their benefit. 80,000 people with shovels and picks can make a lot of roads.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if that put roadworkers out of work?
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 am
John Key had a goal of becoming Prime Minister, and he succeeded. A bonus was becoming an unusually well liked and popular PM. If that was his ultimate goal then he will cruise through a term or two with a few hiccups and a few accolades, and then fade away.
If he has gone as far as he wants to go then there is a major risk, and there are signs of it, of his casual approach spreading through his office and his government.
If he wants to raise his sights, and aim to be a great PM rather than just a nice PM, then he needs to start lifting himself above his successful blokiness, not all the time but to lift his game often enough to show he is capable of lifting the country rather than just chugging along. The country may like a friend but it needs a leader.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:02 am
Joana:
There are currently 1932 listings on Trademe for jobs in Wellington alone. There are 9411 listings Nationwide.
Please don’t tell me there are no Jobs.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:10 am
What proportion of them are entry level or unskilled?
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:16 am
Nationally, there are 2608 Jobs listed on trademe which are at or under 30k per year. Minimum Wage will soon be 27k.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:18 am
So, Neville tells us that he will not cut benefits, and, yesterday we heard that bludgers are to receive a 3.7% increase.
All of this money will be coming from the private sector, the question I have is this, how many of you who in the private sector enjoyed a 3.7% wage increase last year?
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 am
Not many, because at that level employers want self starters – people who will turn up and ask for a job. That’s why McDonalds/KFC/New World/NZ Post don’t advertise for staff.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:25 am
err CABBAGE … that’s 9411 employed … what about the other 150T unemployed?
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:28 am
*Raises hand* erm…nearly double that actually.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:29 am
how many of you who in the private sector enjoyed a 3.7% wage increase last year?
Close to it if I take the tax cuts into account. And in better years I stand to get better increases than beneficiaries, and the total is much better.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 am
Interesting Michael, didn’t know that.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:37 am
Bay MP expenses worth $427,000
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Bay of Plenty based MPs are claiming more taxpayer dollars for their expenses, with a total of $427,075 spent by MPs in the region in 2010.
Tony Ryall racked up the biggest bill with $103,699 for the year, although he is required to travel extensively as Minister of Health and State Services Minister.
Steve Chadwick came in second with $91,774, followed by Te Ururoa Flavell on $91,733, Todd McClay with $70,368 and Simon Bridges on $69,501.
Begs the question as to when Chadwick is going to hand us back some dosh? A shiity list MP.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 am
Trevor likes to be seen with big knobs pdm.
Look at the company he keeps.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 am
No dole or any other welfare unless you’re had 10 consecutive years of PAYE. Letting young people slip out of school/polly directly onto the dole is plain destructive. Limit dole to 6 months.
Ditch the minimum wage, or at least have no minimum for under 18s. That way kids can get jobs before they leave school and get a work ethic. A country which has adults manning check-out counters is on the wrong path.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 am
Wheres the story about Hone and David “the Jackal” Garretts slanging match in the Koru lounge?
Vote:By all accounts Garrett was holding his own until he was told to “Stop stealing dead babies identities”
Maybe the wannabe mossad operative thought that Hone was a fruit sniffer
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 am
let’s put the kids back down the mines..eh malcom..?
they are so efficient at getting into/working in ..those small/tight places…eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:57 am
Sue Bradford (ex list MP) has organised a protest against a report she hasn’t read. She and her ilk believe the welfare system is a success and no change can be countenanced. Even unknown changes are bad, in Sue’s little mind.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Protest-planned-within-hours-of-welfare-report/tabid/419/articleID/199233/Default.aspx
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:58 am
Dole / sickness / invalids benefit available for maximum 12 weeks. There are jobs out there. Go and do some gardening and start up a small business. Drop some leaflets around the area you live. You can then walk to your jobs carrying your gear…you only need a hoe , a fork and some pruners. You can charge 20 bucks an hour. Theres one idea.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:01 am
(as requested..(
http://whoar.co.nz/2011/david-dead-child-identity-garrett-calls-hone-harawira-a-racist-hater/
“…Maori Party MP Hone Harawira was reportedly approached by disgraced former Act MP David Garrett in an airport lounge last night – and called a “racist hater”.
On his Twitter account, TV3 political reporter Patrick Gower said Mr Garrett had walked up to Mr Harawira and called him a “racist hater” -
- before asking if he was “enjoying the scrutiny”….”
(apparantly harawira was holding a mango at the time….so garrett may indeed have caught him ‘sniffing;..”
..and we all know that sets the garrett off…eh..?..
..it’s one of his many ‘triggers’…eh..?..the sniff-trigger….)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:03 am
Comedy Gold:
Vote:http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4685548/PM-signed-papers-relating-to-BMWs
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:10 am
Thatcher always said that “Yes Minister” was a documentary…
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:12 am
Phil – as a long-term unrepentant bludger – your opinion on welfare and work carries no weight, no credibility and no respect. You are the problem we’re trying to get off our backs. Parasites like you are dragging this country down. You’re a disgrace. And a website which no one reads, and which you create on our coin, in no ways mitigates your parasitism.
And you know it. Which is why you always refer to your hobby in lame defence when challenged on your bludging. So somewhere in your rotten little mind, you have a small vestige of self-respect. I suggest your nurture it, get off your arse and do something productive and stop being a parasite. I understand you have a teenage son. You’ve probably got 1-2 years before he realises that you’re a complete loser. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. So there’s still time. Get a job, anything to start, and nurture that stunted little tree of self-respect and who knows. In a years time your son might just have some respect for you.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 am
@jcuknz:
No Where was i contesting that there were jobs-a-plenty for everyone. What i was contesting was the proclamation that there were no jobs.
Clearly there are.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 am
Phil Ure. Please explain to me why you cant carry out the sort of work I just suggested. Dont tell me you are busy. You spend all day on this website. Dont tell me you are busy with your boy…you can do gardening betwen 9 and 3..hell you can even do it cash under the table..so dont bother with the line…” Im only allowed a max 85 a week income.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:33 am
The BMW story is frankly boring, just lame political points scoring. Media and public scrutiny will not make one iota of a difference to the outcome which is that the new cars are on the way, I would advise the media to get over it.
Vote:The Rebstock Welfare Report being released today is also in the same catergory, a political treatise exercised in public. This report is no more than a political affirmation to satsify the right. Beating up on beneficiaries is a tiresome tactic used by the right whereas no one is critically examining the global decline in jobs as a result of Chinas’ dominance of manufacturing. We want cheap consumer goods but the cost is far more than the sticker price, that is what we all face now.
New Zealand and other western nations are not immune to the type of protest activity witnessed in the Middle East, cut the dole and we will suffer the consequences.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 am
KevinH
“New Zealand and other western nations are not immune to the type of protest activity witnessed in the Middle East, cut the dole and we will suffer the consequences.”
What on earth do you base that on?, for a uprising to have any chance there has to be broad support, there has to be an underlying current of dislike in the ruling powers.
Vote:A cut in the dole would have huge support among working Kiwis, the same working Kiwis who have been fucked over by successive governments.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 am
I’m sorry Joana but you don’t seem in touch with reality… I briefly worked at WINZ a few years ago (I also went out and found myself bar work on evenings- without too much difficulty)…It astounded me the number of long term unemployed who were not interested in even looking for work. During my time there I arranged a seminar with employment prospects/potential employers for 120 suitable jobseekers, only 20 or so ‘jobseekers’ bothered to get out of bed and turn up, Of those 20 I managed to find work for 2 of them. That’s a phenomenal strike rate of 2 hits and 118 misses. And trust me this was an opportunity for anyone who genuinely wanted to work. The average New Zealander would be horrified at how many use our ‘oh so cushy’ welfare system as a lifestyle choice. All the free perks- Food Vouchers, Doctors, Dentists, ‘Special entitlements’…the money is just thrown at these people..
Vote:As for your defence of those on Invalids Benefits. Yes many of these people do have disabilities, any some are genuinely incapable of work…but I know of a young man who is mentally handicapped yet still holds down a full time job/ anything is possible. And lets not forget in my experience a great percentage of these ‘Invalids Benefit’ recipients were in fact addicted to Cannabis…
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:39 am
Yes, we might get some of the bludgers off their arses and looking for jobs.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 am
The BMW story is frankly boring, just lame political points scoring. Media and public scrutiny will not make one iota of a difference to the outcome which is that the new cars are on the way…
No, but that is not the significance of the story.
The significance of the story is what the initial decisions and subsequent inability to satisfactorily explain what happened says about Key (and the rest of his government).
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 am
I disagree. It demonstrates in an easily understood way, that the government aren’t serious about NZ’s debt problem. They’re talking but not walking. Sure, on the surface it’s just about replacing some cars according to an existing contract. But it becomes emblematic for the government and hopefully it forces them to change that perception by real action in other areas.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 am
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!
The post of the day goes to Longknives @ 10.38am
Well done.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:51 am
your time at winz must have been ‘brief’…longknives…
(yet another unable to stand beside their lies…snivelling behind a false-name..displaying the ‘courage’ given by anonymity…)
as just one example….since when have winz funded dentistry…?
a modern-mark of the underclass adult….
..is the gap-toothed smile…
..beneficiaries can’t afford to go to dentists…and if you ask them for help..their ‘hands are tied’..
..there is an urban-myth that one beneficiary was once loaned the money to see a dentist…
..but that was no gift ‘thrown at them’….they had to pay it back..
and i’ve been expecting you for a while..longknives..
this year we will see many new/anonymous commenters at kiwiblog….eh..?
..lying/dissembling/campaigning..
..are you the first..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 am
The disciplinary process against the thug Harawira goes on and on.
If the racists are unable to make a decision and deal to this rascal, how do we expect them to correctly exercise judgement on important matters. Stone Age people for an Stone Age party.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 am
Damn, is Hone turning into a moderate, what happened to the days when he would have decked Garrett.
Vote:Hell even Nat voters would cheer at the sight.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:04 am
Yes Philu. My time at WINZ was brief as I used it as a ‘stepping stone’ once I finished University. It certainly wasn’t my ‘dream job’ (neither was bartending) but unlike many, I was prepared to knuckle down and do the hard yards until I found something I really wanted to do.
Vote:Oh and I’m not a ‘snivelling liar’ as you so eloquently put it….I witnessed many Dentists bills paid off in full under the guise of ‘Emergency Entitlement’…It recall it really bugged me at the time as I had been a poor student for a few years and my teeth were falling apart! But alas no-one was offering to throw money at me!!
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 am
Good post Longknives. The truth hurts our parasite Phil Ure. Any fucking excuse not to work.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 am
The Devil is on fine form here:
http://www.devilskitchen.me.uk/2011/02/andrew-lansley-is-utter-bastard.html
Lansley would fit in fine next to Figjam and Joyce wouldn’t he?
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 am
There a 2 important points here.
First of all a few years ago there was jobs a-plenty and NZ was ‘importing’ unskilled labour from the pacific islands, proof positive there is a significant hard core who will NEVER get off their arses and work.
Second is I know MANY people personally who make wonderful statements like ” by the time I take everything into account I am earning only slightly more than on the dole, therefore I won’t bother to work” and my ah-hem favourite ” I choose to stay at home on the DPB so I can be there for my kids when they get home”.
This is a sure fire recipe to bottom of the heap. And whats more it’s taking money from people who work, thats where the money comes from, working people whom get up at dawn and work long hours so others can take it easy at home.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 am
Good post longknives. The fact is there are too few productive people left in New Zealand, and too many bludging, bloodsucking leeches like Phail Ure.
I’d like to know, KevinH, what you meant by the comment “New Zealand and other western nations are not immune to the type of protest activity witnessed in the Middle East, cut the dole and we will suffer the consequences.”
Are you really suggesting that a pack of leeches who can’t be bothered getting out of bed to look for a job, will be able to get out of bed to stage a revolution?
Are you seriously suggesting the division of the looming Civil War in New Zealand will be bludgers vs. productive and not Corporate Iwi and their useful idiots vs. everyone else?
Manolo (10.55am) are you surprised the Apartheid Party haven’t booted John Hatfield out yet? Surely, you don’t think this will be resolved before the election do you? the Apartheid Party needs to keep Hatfield inside the tent at least until the election because both of the 2 other scenarios (Hatfield as Independent or Hatfield in a new communist party with Bradford and Mmmmmmccarten) leeches votes fromt the Apartheid party. They’re savages, but they’re not stupid savages.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:22 am
“and i’ve been expecting you for a while..longknives..”
Philu – Lighten up mate , You sound like a James Bond Villain…..
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 am
I see Quisling Key is already hedging on his response to the Welfare report. Comments like “… I think most New Zealanders would think that’s a little on the extreme side” can mean only one thing. The Rebstock report will be filed in the circular filing cabinet alongside the 2025 Taskforce ones, and New Zealand will continue its journey towards Third World Socialist Utopia status.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:34 am
no..what i am saying is that we will see a new bunch of fake rightwing commenters here this year..
national will do/use that as a campaigning tactic…
..and if winz finances dental care…(‘throws money at them’..in yr words..)..why do we have so many gap-toothed poor…?
..and why is that now a mark of those poor…?
and offshore kiwi….mothers forced back to work when babies are 14 weeks old….that’s not ‘extreme’..eh..?
should be eight weeks..eh..?..the lazy bludging beneficiary cows…eh..?
that’ll teach those babies to be born to poor mothers..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 am
Phool
“no..what i am saying is that we will see a new bunch of fake rightwing commenters here this year..”
Just how out of touch with reality are you?
Do you really think that a majority of Kiws are sympathetic with your circumstances Phool or do you think that most would see you as a parasite
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:42 am
No one would seriously suggest either, unless perhaps they are trying to talk up some sort of fantasy shit from the safety of another country.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:44 am
Phil Ure,
I have no real life experience of dealing with WINZ, from your posts I can see you do. It would be useful if you could impart some of that experience and therefore give us a better understanding of the mechanics.
In the MSM today I note Bradford is suggesting that moving from 6 years to 14 weeks is a step too far when it comes to work testing recipients, I note you are the parent of two children that you acknowledge, both are over 6 years old, this means on a number of occasions you wlii have experienced and obviously passed this test.
Please explain the nature of this test, and how you would improve the proceedure to ensure the right outcomes.
I accept there are different views on what the right outcomes may be, please help us to understand the system.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:45 am
“no..what i am saying is that we will see a new bunch of fake rightwing commenters here this year..
national will do/use that as a campaigning tactic…”
Meanwhile we already have numerous fake left wing fuck tards using multiple indentities and no shortage of left wing trolls in the pay of labour and the greens whose evident sole employment is to come here and talk crap.
Projection much?
Stop trolling and go and look for a job asshole. Your free ride is over and your drug induced hysterical rants are not going to feed your addiction loser.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 am
and of course..the ultimate irony is..
that so many of the rightwing ‘christians’ here are so gung-ho to give those sinning mothers nothing…..
..yet those same ‘christians’ will claim…hand on heart/tears in eyes…how they are so opposed to abortion…
yer these morons are either to dumb-arsed or one-eyed to see that this will just drive the abortion rate even higher..
..and that already….our high rates of abortion..are there because so many young women who become pregnant..
..just cannot face that life of poverty…and stigmatising by many..that carrying their child to term wd be/mean..
…so they abort…
..whereas had we the care for these mothers/children shown in more enlightened countries..
..those women would not have that penury/life of want/misery to face..
…and so ..many who do so now….would not abort..
…and so…those beneficiary-bashing rightwing christians ….
…have that abortion blood dripping from their fingers….
..how can they not…”
..and how could they be less ‘christian’…?
..vile creatures that they are…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
[DPF: 20 demerits - that goes well beyond reasonable discourse.]
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 am
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4685630/Key-pedals-soft-line-on-benefit-changes
Translation: John Key says not to any meaningful reform of the DPB. More children born to keep mum/dad on the DPB and more child abuse cases, about which I’m supposed to feel guilty. As someone else said recently, I ignore all stats about how bad NZ is until I see a demographic breakdown.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 pm
… blerk blerk… *
… blerk… job hunt …. ‘ &
… drivel drivel…. drug testers wanted…. blerk….
?’ eh what !
You’re going to stave to death you waste of space.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:06 pm
oh..look..it’s murray….one of those abortion-blood-dripping-dripping-from-fingers ‘christians’..
..more abortions..!..eh muzza..?
why don’t you get a t-shirt saying that..?
..be honest..for once…
‘welfare reform = more abortions’..
(that’d be catchy…eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Phool
“‘welfare reform = more abortions’..”
One can only hope so Phool, if feral parents realise they are no longer going to be able to breed for a living then we might be heading in the right direction.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:12 pm
grumpyoldhori, I doubt if Hone or any of his family would attack anyone who was likely to fight back. You just have to look at the history of his family’s cowardly attacks on mental health patients they were mean to be looking after.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Apartheid Party ? hmm, nope do not see any white South Africans who lived happily with the apartheid regime in place in the Maori party.
Vote:So how many white South Africans are in National electorates helping to choose the next Nat MPs ?
Jeez, jarpies are fucking dumb, assuming that a white woman would be happy to hear about the good ole days in sud affrica.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:16 pm
“..big bruv (8,544) Says:
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Phool
“‘welfare reform = more abortions’..”
One can only hope so Phool, ..”
there ya go..!..’christians’…..
..still doubting your roles in our world-beating abortion rates…
..eh..?
..sheeted home to you yet….eh..?
..nervously checking your fingers yet..?
..for spots/stains…
..how’s yr conscience..?..eh..?
..all those babies aborted..eh..?
surely…if you really opposed abortion…
..you wd support more support for sole mums..eh..?
and wd be campaigning for that..
..not campaigning for even more abortions..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Chuck Bird Hone was a more than useful boxer as a teenager, so Garrett would have two chances bloody slim and none.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Phil, you’re so bent I doubt a chassis straightener could sort you out.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Well another pile of arsepaper for the outhouse.
Extensive welfare shake-up needed: report
MARTIN KAY
Last updated 12:00 22/02/2011
More than three quarters of all beneficiaries will be forced to seek work or face cuts to their payments under sweeping recommendations from the Government’s Welfare Working Group.
Sole parents, beneficiaries aged under 18 and those with drug and alcohol problems would be subject to the strictest controls if the plans are implemented in full, with harsh financial penalties for failure to comply.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4687753/Extensive-welfare-shake-up-needed-report
Until the govt. do what it supposed to do and get the economy working so that we have th jobs then nothing will change other than beating up beneficiaries..
People like BB who rant continuously are nothing but bullies anduntill BB can show he hs vreated lots of kobs in this current economy he is just all noise along with the many others like him.
Change you attitudes and start attacking the Govt. and its anti business behavoir.
Vote:then you will make a difference.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Offshore_Kiwi you do not live,work or pay taxes in NZ so in reality you are just a foreigner ranting on about a foreign country.
Just drop your NZ passport because you are doing fuck all for NZ at all.
Fuck I have more time for ACT party types who stay and fight the good fight than those who fuck off when the going gets a bit tough.
Vote:Bloody wimps they are who leave then whine about NZ
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:30 pm
what is bent about that..ciaron..?
that’s entirely logical/rational…
care to try harder than just an ad hominem..
..and point out where i am incorrect….
..exactly where the logic falls down….?
i dunno..maybe this comes as news to these superstition/prejudice-riddled fools…..
..maybe they have never joined those two dots…?
..maybe this is all comes as a bit of a shock to them…?
..if so..i look forward to them changing their ways/tune…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:30 pm
So Viking2…
Vote:In your expert opinion; how does the Govt “get the economy working” without reducing out of control costs like welfare?
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Phil; would abortion be so high if boys kept it in their pants and girls kept their legs crossed?
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
That and your depiction of Christians and Christianity is so far removed from reality, it warrants no reply, except of course, to tell you you are in error.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:38 pm
When reading the welfare report, keep in mind that Rebstock is an economist, the profession that has successfully predicted 41 of the last 2 recessions.
The nation needs to move forward, the quickest way would be to drown the economists.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:40 pm
“..Phil; would abortion be so high if boys kept it in their pants and girls kept their legs crossed?..”
is that your ‘christian’ justification for supporting abortion..?
..because they are ‘sinners’…who couldn’t keep it in their pants..?
so that must mean those aborted babies..are also ‘conceived in sin’…eh..?
and deserve to be aborted..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:44 pm
How fucked is this?
The first bit of the welfare working group report says
Grow up and seek your destiny and stretch forth your hands for the tools of the western world to sustain you. Turn your heart to the treasures of your ancestors, your plumage, and place your spirit unto God to whom all things belong.
Time someone told these useless shits that this is NOT the USofA, that NZ has a proud, secular tradition that must be maintained and that GOD has no fucking place in public policy!
There is no god, religion poisons everything.
Now I wonder how much of this report is based on fact, and how much the dogmatic religious beliefs of its authors.
keep your fucking religion out of my government.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:44 pm
“..# ciaron (476) Says:
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
That and your depiction of Christians and Christianity is so far removed from reality, it warrants no reply, except of course, to tell you you are in error…”
oh..!..really..!
‘it warrants no reply’…eh..?
and do try to tell us how rightwing christians opposing state support for sole mothers/and approving of cracking down on them….
..dosen’t cause all those abortions…eh..?
..tell us how those aborted children aren’t directly down to you..
..and yr vile/stigmatising ‘politics’..
..eh..?
you wouldn’t know ‘christian’ if it came up and bit you on the arse..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:51 pm
I don’t have to tell you anything. Except that you are wrong.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Wellington is having a largish earthquake – 20 seconds so far
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 pm
A Welfare Working Group report released to Government today calls for fundamental changes to reduce the state’s “unacceptably high” welfare bill.
Its key recommendation is scrapping all existing benefits, including the Domestic Purposes and Sickness Benefits, and replacing them with a single Jobseeker Support payment.
Under the new system, a vast majority of beneficiaries would be required to apply for jobs regardless of difficult family circumstances, long term illness or disability.
Some bludgers will be forced to work. It can only be good!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10707962
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Well that went for at least a minute. Time to check the drums.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:55 pm
That’s the largest quake I’ve felt in Dunedin, I wonder who bore the brunt of that.
Can’t ring Christchurch.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:58 pm
gee christians..
maybe it’s god..eh..?
pissed at rebstock..
…and all the abortions you are causing..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Guess it must have been centred somewhere between Dunedin and Wellington Pete.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Bloody U.N. lectures New Zealand about the natives:
A United Nations report has highlighted what it says is the “extreme disadvantage” of Maori in comparison to the rest of the country.
The report was tabled in the General Assembly by the Special Rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, James Anaya.
In a mixed review, however, he hails the “significant strides” taken to advance the rights of Maori in recent years.
“The Special Rapporteur cannot help but note the extreme disadvantage in the social and economic conditions of Maori people in comparison to the rest of New Zealand society,” the UN report says.
“This disadvantage, which manifests itself across a range of indicators, including education, health, and income, is certainly detrimental to Maori people’s ability to act in partnership with the Crown, as contemplated under the Treaty of Waitangi.
“The Special Rapporteur notes that this disadvantage especially manifests itself among Maori people living in urban areas.”
Anaya notes that “regrettably” New Zealand continues to incarcerate Maori at a high rate.
One is tempted to ask: why do they offend so much?
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Christchurch just got hit bad. Maybe a bigger earthquake than last time.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Geonet drums are updated, looks bad for CHCH.
http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/mqz-drum.html
It’s pegged the graph, not good at all.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Reports are saying that Christchurch has been hit by another huge earthquake
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Aftershock now (feeling it in WN)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Another one now in Dunedin, not as big. Didn’t feel aftershocks last time. Ominous news dribbling out of Christchurch.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:07 pm
I’d say “correlation is not causation” except that there is in fact no bloody correlation either.
The fact is that benny-dom appears to breed people who are so lazy and feckless that they can’t even be bothered to go to a family planning clinic and get some subsidised condoms, so they use abortion as a form of contraception…
Offering $100 in the back pocket to any benficiary that gets a vasectomy or tube-tie will cut that abortion rate for ya.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:08 pm
“..# ciaron (477) Says:
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:51 pm
I don’t have to tell you anything. Except that you are wrong…”
so..ciaron..you obviously have no answer to that logical progression…?
..so are you reverting to the bigots’ standard defence…when their faulty logic is challenged..
..and stuffing yr fists in yr ears…and shouting ‘im not listening..!..i’m not listening..!”..
but if you do have a conscience…ciaron….and you listen to it..
…you will know that i am correct..
…that the punitive/stigmatising of sole-mothers you so strongly support….
…is a direct cause of them aborting their babies…
…how can it not be…?
..your silence speaks volumes…
..you know i am speaking the truth..
..and i hope you rest uneasy..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Yeah, Stuff just says large quake with buildings and houses down. A TV news report said it was magnitude 6.3
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Geonet has it at 6.3, only 10km deep
http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/latest.html
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Reference Number 3468575
Universal Time February 21 2011 at 23:51
NZ Daylight Time Tuesday, February 22 2011 at 12:51 pm
Latitude, Longitude 43.60°S, 172.71°E
Focal Depth 5 km
Richter magnitude 6.3
Region Canterbury
Location
Within 5 km of Lyttelton
Within 5 km of Diamond Harbour
10 km south-east of Christchurch
So that sounds like the big aftershock.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Just a random thought: When did we ditch GMT for this “Universal Time” malarky?
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:15 pm
That was by far the biggest since Sept.4.
Watched my Previa dancing outside my door.
Now I have to clean up the bloody house again but at least this time (so far) power, water and sewage seem unaffected out here.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:16 pm
My bro working in CBD txts that the tower of the Cathedral has collapsed (not the whole church as stuff is reporting) and numerous shop fronts have fallen into the streets.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:19 pm
They were lucky last time with timing, this one probably couldn’t be a worse time for people out and about.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Christ I hope nobody has been injured or killed this time, given it is a working day the odds are not good.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Herald has the most news at the moment:
Vote:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10707996
February 22nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm
That wasn’t a good one, all. We just got “Wangered” down here.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:35 pm
All close family are safe but scared witless. Still trying to account for our staff down there; phone comms are sporadic at best
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Twitter photos here: http://hashalbum.com/eqnz
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Due to the proximity to the city, and the shallow depth this is likely to be worse than the 7.1.
Vote:It was a strong shake on the West Coast, was about to jump under the office desk!
This could be a very significant tragedy, I just hope no one was killed.
February 22nd, 2011 at 1:55 pm
tvone has terrible footage of damage/people injured…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Herald banner says ‘Fire Service confirms deaths’.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
New Zealand’s Currency Tumbles After 6.3 Earthquake
The New Zealand dollar dropped after the southern city of Christchurch was affected by an earthquake.
The currency slid 0.8 percent to 75.80 U.S. cents as of 1:11 p.m. in Wellington, the biggest drop in more than a week, from 76.38 cents yesterday in New York.
A 6.3 magnitude temblor was recorded off the south island of New Zealand, the U.S. Geological Survey reported.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-22/new-zealand-s-currency-declines-after-christchurch-hit-by-6-3-earthquake.html
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 2:09 pm
At least one person has been confirmed dead after after a 6.3 magnitude earthquake in Christchurch caused buildings to collapse and streets to crack and flood this afternoon.
The Fire Service confirmed to Radio New Zealand that there had been “deaths” and to Newstalk ZB that there was at least one dead.
Christchurch resident Jane Smith, who works in the central city, told the Herald a work colleague had just returned from helping rescue efforts after a building facade had collapsed on a bus on Colombo St.
“There’s people dead. He was pulling them out of a bus. Columbo St is completely munted.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10707996
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 2:19 pm
tv3 has more comprehensive coverage than one..
they are saying there are multiple fatatlities…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 2:21 pm
it’s very distressing to watch..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 2:23 pm
parliament has suspended questiontime..
that was the right thing to do..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Oh really, Phool. Fuck up you repressed news presenter wannabe. We’re here. Just fuck off!
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 2:41 pm
buses have been crushed by falling buildings…
..many people trapped in fallen buildings…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 2:44 pm
PUre. sit down and shut up.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Dang, and another aftershock now (feeling it in WN)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Maori Party cancels Hone Harawira’s membership…
Who cares, there are far more important things to be concerned about. We worry about too much trivial crap.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Will it come to pass?
Hone Harawira is likely to be booted out of the Maori Party after a committee deciding his fate recommended to cancel his membership.
The Disciplinary and Disputes committee met yesterday to try and resolve the complaint made by Waiariki MP Te Ururoa Flavell after the Tai Tokerau MP published an article in a Sunday newspaper critical of the cosy relationship his party had with National.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Thoughts go out to the people of Christchurch, what an awful day.
On another note, did anyone catch a glimpse of the Herald online headlines before the quake hit? One of the most disgraceful pieces of journalism to come out of the tabloid for some time (which is saying something).
It read something like “National recommends chain gangs for unwed single mothers on DPB” when our sap ruling party arent even going to implement any of the reforms.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 6:39 pm
if the maori party throw out hone..
that makes a national victory all the more problematic…
(more centre-left mp’s…eh..?..he only needs three and a half percent..to bring in five more centre-left mp’s…
..bring it on…!…)
and if the maori party refuse to guarantee their followers that they will not go with national…
..you will see a whole lot of them turning back to labour…or supporting hones’ new party…
..so really…it’s you lot..act (snigger!)..and dunny-brush…(if yr lucky..)..
..i can’t see that reality changing anytime soon..
…it’s not going to be easy for you…
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 7:01 pm
PHOOL,
FUCK OFF
There are far more important things going on than your raving stupidity.
Vote:Have the night off, FUCK OFF
February 22nd, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Just read the thread. Wanted to stab my knife into philus decomposing; body. Philu you fuckbag. Saying that cutting the benefit will raise rate of abortion is utter bs. Family planning already gives you all the free rubbers you want. I used them often when making passionate student love in my younger days. So the guvmint has already provided a solution for a problem you just createed.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
“cutting the benefit will raise rate of abortion” I’ll be straight up. I have no problem with that outcome.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 7:31 pm
so..immigant…your necrophilliac-knife work desires to one side…
..you reckon that the life of penury of most sole-mothers..
..dosen’t drive women to abort..?
how can it not…?
..got any more than just ‘b.s’..?
(your answers are as non-existant as those from ciaron…)
..and ‘rubbers’..eh..?
..and if they didn’t use rubbers…those babies then deserved to be aborted..?
..what are you saying..?
..i’m having trouble following your logic here…
and you don’t think that potential mothers who knew they wd still have a good/liveable…if not rich..life….
..where they cd study etc..and still be a mum…
..if they went to term…
..would be less inclined to choose abortion…?
..once again…tell us how that is…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:06 pm
..you reckon that the life of penury of most sole-mothers..
The life of solo
mothersparents on the DPB is self-imposed, phil. Other people work, get pregnant, take parental leave, go back to work.Many of their children get overseas holidays, a great education cause they pay for it, general life experiences that people with a “benefit entitlement” attitude will never be able to give their kids, not because “the system” holds them down, but because they just don’t choose to. They just don’t love their kids enough to give them the very very best of everything, apparently, because other people do this, with or without a Masters degree, all the time.
Just look at the workforce.
These very same children also grow up with absolutely no scars from not having their mum home when they get home from school, either because wise old mum successfully weaned them off that with no side-effects whatsoever.
So which category are you in phil?
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
“So which category are you in phil?”
Vote:Phool is in the category of ‘take what you can get’ from anyone who will give. LEECH.
A fucking leech, everyone knows Phool is a LEECH but there is no way to stop this until someone grows some balls.
Got that NATIONAL?
February 22nd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
i’m actually talking about rightwing christians driving up the abortion rate..
and i have no desire to entertain yet another interminable rave/rant from you on the moral-evils of sole-parents..
..and the wrecked lives of their progeny…
..the groundhog day aspects of it are invariably eye-wateringly boring,,
..and less than 24 hrs ago….you promised you would never address me again..
..try and keep yr word…eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:29 pm
“and i have no desire to entertain yet another interminable rave/rant from you on the moral-evils of sole-parents..”
Nothing wrong with single parents, most of them work and set a great example to their kids.
It is the DPB bludgers we cannot stand, especially those who were offered work just yesterday and turned it down.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:37 pm
reid is a rightwing christian…
he ..like the others…obviously has no moral qualms about those abortions he drives….
..i wonder how he marries that with his anti-abortion religious-beliefs..?
..or if he .. like they all seem to….
…is just able to ignore the end-results of their gleeful/sadistic beneficiary-bashing…
..all those aborted babies….
..does spuc actually stand for society for preservation of unconscious christianity….?
..and if they cannot see that obvious abortion cause/effect…
..how blind/dumb are they…?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:39 pm
you promised you would never address me again..
That wasn’t a promise to you phil it was a promise to me but I found your perspectives upon consideration so profoundly in error that I felt compelled to call bullshit.
..i wonder how he marries that with his anti-abortion religious-beliefs..?
Why I can’t recall my ever elucidating my personal position on abortion phil. Perhaps you’d care to enlighten. Of course, if you don’t quote, with at least a link to my post so we can see it in context, then j’accuse liar, tres terrible. Mont blanc.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Phool
I used to be uneasy about abortion, and certainly more so after thirteen weeks, I sure as hell do not and could not support late term or partial birth abortion under any circumstances.
Having said that, I now believe that there are nowhere near enough abortions (inside the 13 week mark) in NZ, more of our feral types should be encouraged to have terminations, it is the only way we will stop the trend of scum breeding scum.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 8:51 pm
well as a rightwing christian..it’s not difficult to guess…
and ok….i will just not address you…
..that’s easy…
..you are very boring/predictable…
…you just say the same thing over and over…
..and that has become tedious..
…have you met fat sibling..?
..why don’t you two chat..
..you have so much in common…
..you are both being ignored..for starters…
,,phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 pm
…as a rightwing christian
Firstly language is important phil and your choice of language in “right-wing Christian” indicate you think of me more as someone who likes uniforms than someone who realised early on that self-discipline is the key to success. “Traditional” or “Conservative” (as in, wants to conserve) are more accurate.
Is this the same thing as stereotyping you as a typically arrogant green lefty layabout which many on this blog classify you as?
How can we possibli take you seriously phil when you commit the very crimes you so decry?
Oh, the humanity.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 pm
so..to summarise:..
the secular rightwingers are all gung-ho for even more abortions..
..(as a social-cleansing-tool…)
..and their christian rightwinger political-buddies …
… are just apparantly blind to the real consequences of their actions/bigotry/stigmatising of sole-parents…
…the christians that love to hate…
..and who drive our world-beating abortion-rates…
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:08 pm
and note how none of the gutless bastards can stand forward to defend their evils…their irrational bigotry…
..their promotion of abortions…
…normally you mention religion..and you need a stick to beat them off….
..funny that…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 pm
phlu, I’m a pragmatist. I’m not promoting abortions, contraception is always a better option, but I realise some people make poor choices and need help sorting their lives out.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Talking of abortions and lack thereof.
What really happened when Elton John and David Furnish decided to have a baby.
They had their sperm mixed together and had a surrogate mother artificially inseminated with it. When the baby was born Elton and David were waiting at the hospital. They were ushered into a ward where a dozen babies were lying in their cots, eleven of whom were crying and screaming. Over in the corner, one baby was smiling serenely. A nurse came over to both of them and indicated that the happy child was theirs.
“Isn’t it wonderful?” Elton said to David. “All these unhappy babies ……… and yet our baby is so happy. This just proves the superiority of gay love!”
The nurse said, “Oh sure, he’s happy now, but just watch what happens when I pull the thermometer out of his arse!”
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Can someone please point me to the final report of the Welfare Working Group? Inexplicably they’ve not put it on their own website where they have the earlier reports:
http://ips.ac.nz/WelfareWorkingGroup/Index.html
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
OK, the report is on there now.
Vote:February 22nd, 2011 at 11:29 pm
What does NZ really need to stimulate the economy? If I was to chip in for 1 hour of someone’s labour each week, then how many kiwis doing the same would it take to subsidise enough jobs to ‘fix’ our economy? And how would we most efficiently handle creating the jobs? Encourage small businesses, cafe’s, rest homes, hospitals etc to simply add extra staff on their payroll? Apprenticeships, start up businesses. I’m sure a pretty good dent could be made in the unemployment level.
Vote:Or can’t the problem be fixed with subsidies?
February 23rd, 2011 at 5:58 am
# philu (10,509) Says:
February 22nd, 2011 at 1:08 pm
“..# ciaron (477) Says:
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:51 pm
I don’t have to tell you anything. Except that you are wrong…”
so..ciaron..you obviously have no answer to that logical progression…?
..so are you reverting to the bigots’ standard defence…when their faulty logic is challenged..
..and stuffing yr fists in yr ears…and shouting ‘im not listening..!..i’m not listening..!”..
but if you do have a conscience…ciaron….and you listen to it..
…you will know that i am correct..
…that the punitive/stigmatising of sole-mothers you so strongly support….
…is a direct cause of them aborting their babies…
…how can it not be…?
..your silence speaks volumes…
..you know i am speaking the truth..
..and i hope you rest uneasy..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
FUCK YOU CUNT I WAS IN AN EARTHQUAKE.
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 6:40 am
Fair enough venting off Ciaron. It highlights how trivial a lot of the bitching is here, petty point scoring that means nothing in the wider scheme of things. We often get obsessed with nonsense – the earthquake brings home the realities of what really matters, lives, families and friends, fear and having a safe place to live. We don’t appreciate enough how lucky we usually are, and we can now see close up how devastating nature can be and real hardship it can deliver.
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 7:06 am
Agreed Pete. Normally I do not bother to negotiate Phil’s own peculiar hieroglyphical style but in the light of Ciaron’s rich and eloquent delivery I thought I would look at what it was all about. No-one can deny his passion but over-riding that is the complete lack of logic and offensiveness of his comments. They approach the same degree of obnoxiousness that warranted his last ban. To quote a former King of England ..”who will rid us of this troublesome prick?” or words to that effect.
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 7:30 am
Cheers lads.
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 7:38 am
“..No-one can deny his passion but over-riding that is the complete lack of logic ..”
gee..nookin…
how about (calmly/logically) pointing out exactly how my logic in this is flawed…?
you are 18 yrs old…you are pregnant…you know the father is gone…you have little/none family support..
scenario one:…you live in a culture/society where motherhood is valued/supported..
…and every child is given the same opportunities…
scenario two:..you live in a culture where sole mothers are stigmatised/persecuted/forced into penury..
..and heckled for their fecklessness/sluttiness…
now..in which of those two scenarios…do you think that 18 yr old will be more likely to choose to abort her child…?
..this is all i am saying…
..and so..ipso facto…those urging that persecution of sole-mothers….are promoters of abortion..
..how can they not be…?
…so how is that so ‘offensive’…?
..are the stigmatisers/beneficiary-bashers/abortion-promoters ‘offended’ ..?
..fucken good…!
..maybe they will start thinking beyond their wallets…eh..?
..and start being real ‘christians’…
..cos’ now they are just a vile mockery of the beliefs they purport to hold…eh..?
(…and babies separated from their mothers at 14 weeks…?..eh..?
..this is what that cold-blooded cow rebstock is recommending…
..and this is what the results of the ‘works’ of you ‘christians’ is..
..you make my fucken skin crawl..
..you sick fucken greed-driven fucken hypocrites..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 7:42 am
JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP CUNT.
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 7:46 am
no..i fucken won’t shut up..
how about you think what a screaming hypocritical abortion-promoter you are..?
..’christian’..my arse…!
you are a reactionary bigoted hypocrite…..
..nothing more
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 7:58 am
Phil.
You do not know me and you know nothing about my politics, religious, ethical and moral beliefs. They are my beliefs and I am comfortable living by them. I do not preach them to others and I do not have to explain them or justifiy them to you. One thing that I will explain to you is this: You have no right whatsover to make any assumption about any views that I hold about abortion and how or even whether I consider it in the context of so-called Christian beliefs. You have no justification for saying that I am greed driven or hypocritical. I have not and do not intend to get into this debate in this forum.
Your lack of logic is more than adequately demonstrated in that because I have criticised your reasoning vis-a-vis ciaron I am a “sick fucken greed-driven fucken hypocrite…”
Vote:If your skin is crawling Phil it is more likely to be substance driven because absolutely nothing I said justified your nasty little diatribe.
February 23rd, 2011 at 8:02 am
Ciaron said…
FUCK YOU CUNT I WAS IN AN EARTHQUAKE.
Ciaron, Phil hasn’t seen one in ages. He only visits Susan right-hand and Mandy left-hand every night. I bet that he’s got calluses on his palms as a result of those regular visits to Susan and Mandy.
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 8:06 am
I guess more than enough of us have had a gutsful of the despicable behaviour from the parasite and bludger that lurks around here.
Personally, I RIPped the louse long ago, but from others’ responses I’m inclined to write to DPF asking him to put a stop to his disruptive actions. Enough.
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 am
Come on DPF, Phool the parasite is clearly trolling, given the events of the last 24 hours I would suggest that his actions are more despicable than normal.
Please ban the prick for good.
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 8:13 am
I agree
Vote:Even on RIP Philu is screwing up just about every thread. Reducing quality debate to his debased drivel
February 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 am
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Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 8:33 am
“..You have no right whatsover to make any assumption about any views that I hold about abortion and how or even whether I consider it in the context of so-called Christian beliefs…”
well..no need to really go inside your head…
…if you support the stigmatising/targeting of sole parents…
..no matter what internal loop-de-loops you may do to reconcile/justify that..
…you are a promoter of abortions..
..it’s as simple as that..
..how can it not be..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 8:34 am
Tinman, good luck out there.
Vote:Best wishes.
February 23rd, 2011 at 8:37 am
“..Reducing quality debate ..”
heh..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 8:48 am
Good man Tinny, stay safe mate.
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 8:53 am
…if you support the stigmatising/targeting of sole parents…
Now Phil – point me to the comment that I made and which supports that conclusion.
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 8:53 am
phil,
It pains me to even bother responding to your inanities, but I will nonetheless.
Your logic is fundamentally warped.
If, as you claim, that a change to DPB that would require mothers to go back to work when the first child is 3 will drive up the rate of abortions, then what you are really saying is that those same mothers only get pregnant (under the current regime) for the money.
Is that your claim phil; that women use the DPB today for a lifestyle?
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 9:02 am
wow..!..that’s quite the logic-leap you have done there hudson….
..nice strawman..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 9:05 am
i’m not going to play yr silly game nookin…
do you…or do you not..support the current targeting of sole-parents..?
answer yr own question..
or..wd you ‘rather not say’..?
..and if you wd ‘rather not say’…
..what are you doing here..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 9:11 am
“..They approach the same degree of obnoxiousness that warranted his last ban…”
nookin..what exactly is ‘obnoxious’ about making the welfare-rates/societal attitudes to sole-mothers connection to our world-beating abortion rates..?
is it ‘obnoxious’ because it makes you think of that connection..?
..and the part you play..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:February 23rd, 2011 at 9:22 am
What part of “I have not and do not intend to get into this debate in this forum” do you not understand Phillip?
Vote:What am I doing here?
1. You are not the hub of this Blog despite your aspirations to be so. I read other comments.
2. I debate to learn and inform. I learn nothing from you and you are beyond learning.
3. I chose not to debate abortion on a blogsite. Fuck you for suggesting that I do not have that right.
4. I do not regard responding to acrimonious and unjustified criticism as playing silly games.
5. I do not subscribe to your theory that because I do not express support for your views then I am opposed to them and am therefore evil. Because you are bigotted enough to hold those views then I do not intend engaging with you.
Clear enough? Now fuck off!
February 23rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
Aren’t the Democrats quickly turning their name into an oxymoron!? Now Democrats have fled Indiana, like their Wisconsin namesakes, in order to stymie the democratic process. I hear next year Obama’s campaign slogan will be “Yes We Ran”.
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