I like the idea of compulsory job training and placement after an extended period on a benefit, but doubt it will happen. Also compulsory drug and alcohol treatment for those on sickness benefits for those reasons.
BREAKFAST on ONE yesterday morning were making a big deal of the Obama’s not being invited to the April 29 wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton, without mentioning President Putin, the Chinese chief and Japanese Emperor are also not on the list of guests.
But John Key and wife Bronagh and Governor-General Sir Anand Satyanand and his wife Susan are – by dint of being among 60 Governors-General and Realm Prime Ministers, which makes me wonder why this is not a target of adverse Harawira [Hatfield] comment, being a direct reflection of the colonialism which is supposedly at the centre of all their grief.
I guess stirring up international media covering the World Cup is just easier. Or are the
Harawira [Hatfield]s concerned that demeaning both the Royal Wedding and World Cup might bring too greater backlash?
I put a comment up on this post (http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/02/21/dont-blame-the-help-john/) by Chris Hipkins that told of how Helen Clark ordered the DPS to speed to get to a rugby match; and how she engineered the removal of Peter Doone. That was in reply to Hpkins’ claim that “Blaming the staff is a pretty weak way to operate. I certainly can’t imagine any of those Ministers, including Helen Clark using the excuse…
Guess what happend to the comment.
Never, ever tell the truth about Dear Leader on that blog. You will be exterminated.
There is a good article in todays Herald re a man who has applied for 120 jobs. He is asking the obvious question..Where are the jobs? I know a man in CHCH who has an Honours degree in engineering , speaks about half a dozen languages , has all sorts of experience and can’t get a job..so how are sickness beneficiaries supposed to get jobs?
Many of the people on invalids benefits are people with psychiatric illnesses who are up to their eyeballs on anti psychotic medications..Do you really want these people in your work places? The ones who are able to work part time are already working part time.
This big fuss about benefits is just cheap politics , nothing more , nothing less. Anyone who thinks it is anything real or genuine is a fool.
Puzzled, you should be expressing surprise that there isn’t a “special invitations to the wedding for Maori” policy being advanced along the lines of council seats for maori. Surely “old Tits” and John would be appropriate attendees at the Abbey and would happily Kapa Haka into the wee small hours with the other royal boys and girls.
John Key had a goal of becoming Prime Minister, and he succeeded. A bonus was becoming an unusually well liked and popular PM. If that was his ultimate goal then he will cruise through a term or two with a few hiccups and a few accolades, and then fade away.
If he has gone as far as he wants to go then there is a major risk, and there are signs of it, of his casual approach spreading through his office and his government.
If he wants to raise his sights, and aim to be a great PM rather than just a nice PM, then he needs to start lifting himself above his successful blokiness, not all the time but to lift his game often enough to show he is capable of lifting the country rather than just chugging along. The country may like a friend but it needs a leader.
No dole or any other welfare unless you’re had 10 consecutive years of PAYE. Letting young people slip out of school/polly directly onto the dole is plain destructive. Limit dole to 6 months.
Ditch the minimum wage, or at least have no minimum for under 18s. That way kids can get jobs before they leave school and get a work ethic. A country which has adults manning check-out counters is on the wrong path.
Wheres the story about Hone and David “the Jackal” Garretts slanging match in the Koru lounge?
By all accounts Garrett was holding his own until he was told to “Stop stealing dead babies identities”
Maybe the wannabe mossad operative thought that Hone was a fruit sniffer
Sue Bradford (ex list MP) has organised a protest against a report she hasn’t read. She and her ilk believe the welfare system is a success and no change can be countenanced. Even unknown changes are bad, in Sue’s little mind.
Dole / sickness / invalids benefit available for maximum 12 weeks. There are jobs out there. Go and do some gardening and start up a small business. Drop some leaflets around the area you live. You can then walk to your jobs carrying your gear…you only need a hoe , a fork and some pruners. You can charge 20 bucks an hour. Theres one idea.
let’s put the kids back down the mines..eh malco[l]m..?
Phil – as a long-term unrepentant bludger – your opinion on welfare and work carries no weight, no credibility and no respect. You are the problem we’re trying to get off our backs. Parasites like you are dragging this country down. You’re a disgrace. And a website which no one reads, and which you create on our coin, in no ways mitigates your parasitism.
And you know it. Which is why you always refer to your hobby in lame defence when challenged on your bludging. So somewhere in your rotten little mind, you have a small vestige of self-respect. I suggest your nurture it, get off your arse and do something productive and stop being a parasite. I understand you have a teenage son. You’ve probably got 1-2 years before he realises that you’re a complete loser. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. So there’s still time. Get a job, anything to start, and nurture that stunted little tree of self-respect and who knows. In a years time your son might just have some respect for you.
Phil Ure. Please explain to me why you cant carry out the sort of work I just suggested. Dont tell me you are busy. You spend all day on this website. Dont tell me you are busy with your boy…you can do gardening betwen 9 and 3..hell you can even do it cash under the table..so dont bother with the line…” Im only allowed a max 85 a week income.
The BMW story is frankly boring, just lame political points scoring. Media and public scrutiny will not make one iota of a difference to the outcome which is that the new cars are on the way, I would advise the media to get over it.
The Rebstock Welfare Report being released today is also in the same catergory, a political treatise exercised in public. This report is no more than a political affirmation to satsify the right. Beating up on beneficiaries is a tiresome tactic used by the right whereas no one is critically examining the global decline in jobs as a result of Chinas’ dominance of manufacturing. We want cheap consumer goods but the cost is far more than the sticker price, that is what we all face now.
New Zealand and other western nations are not immune to the type of protest activity witnessed in the Middle East, cut the dole and we will suffer the consequences.
“New Zealand and other western nations are not immune to the type of protest activity witnessed in the Middle East, cut the dole and we will suffer the consequences.”
What on earth do you base that on?, for a uprising to have any chance there has to be broad support, there has to be an underlying current of dislike in the ruling powers.
A cut in the dole would have huge support among working Kiwis, the same working Kiwis who have been fucked over by successive governments.
I’m sorry Joana but you don’t seem in touch with reality… I briefly worked at WINZ a few years ago (I also went out and found myself bar work on evenings- without too much difficulty)…It astounded me the number of long term unemployed who were not interested in even looking for work. During my time there I arranged a seminar with employment prospects/potential employers for 120 suitable jobseekers, only 20 or so ‘jobseekers’ bothered to get out of bed and turn up, Of those 20 I managed to find work for 2 of them. That’s a phenomenal strike rate of 2 hits and 118 misses. And trust me this was an opportunity for anyone who genuinely wanted to work. The average New Zealander would be horrified at how many use our ‘oh so cushy’ welfare system as a lifestyle choice. All the free perks- Food Vouchers, Doctors, Dentists, ‘Special entitlements’…the money is just thrown at these people..
As for your defence of those on Invalids Benefits. Yes many of these people do have disabilities, any some are genuinely incapable of work…but I know of a young man who is mentally handicapped yet still holds down a full time job/ anything is possible. And lets not forget in my experience a great percentage of these ‘Invalids Benefit’ recipients were in fact addicted to Cannabis…
The BMW story is frankly boring, just lame political points scoring.
I disagree. It demonstrates in an easily understood way, that the government aren’t serious about NZ’s debt problem. They’re talking but not walking. Sure, on the surface it’s just about replacing some cars according to an existing contract. But it becomes emblematic for the government and hopefully it forces them to change that perception by real action in other areas.
Yes Philu. My time at WINZ was brief as I used it as a ‘stepping stone’ once I finished University. It certainly wasn’t my ‘dream job’ (neither was bartending) but unlike many, I was prepared to knuckle down and do the hard yards until I found something I really wanted to do.
Oh and I’m not a ‘snivelling liar’ as you so eloquently put it….I witnessed many Dentists bills paid off in full under the guise of ‘Emergency Entitlement’…It recall it really bugged me at the time as I had been a poor student for a few years and my teeth were falling apart! But alas no-one was offering to throw money at me!!
First of all a few years ago there was jobs a-plenty and NZ was ‘importing’ unskilled labour from the pacific islands, proof positive there is a significant hard core who will NEVER get off their arses and work.
Second is I know MANY people personally who make wonderful statements like ” by the time I take everything into account I am earning only slightly more than on the dole, therefore I won’t bother to work” and my ah-hem favourite ” I choose to stay at home on the DPB so I can be there for my kids when they get home”.
This is a sure fire recipe to bottom of the heap. And whats more it’s taking money from people who work, thats where the money comes from, working people whom get up at dawn and work long hours so others can take it easy at home.
Good post longknives. The fact is there are too few productive people left in New Zealand, and too many bludging, bloodsucking leeches like Phail Ure.
I’d like to know, KevinH, what you meant by the comment “New Zealand and other western nations are not immune to the type of protest activity witnessed in the Middle East, cut the dole and we will suffer the consequences.”
Are you really suggesting that a pack of leeches who can’t be bothered getting out of bed to look for a job, will be able to get out of bed to stage a revolution?
Are you seriously suggesting the division of the looming Civil War in New Zealand will be bludgers vs. productive and not Corporate Iwi and their useful idiots vs. everyone else?
Manolo (10.55am) are you surprised the Apartheid Party haven’t booted John Hatfield out yet? Surely, you don’t think this will be resolved before the election do you? the Apartheid Party needs to keep Hatfield inside the tent at least until the election because both of the 2 other scenarios (Hatfield as Independent or Hatfield in a new communist party with Bradford and Mmmmmmccarten) leeches votes fromt the Apartheid party. They’re savages, but they’re not stupid savages.
I see Quisling Key is already hedging on his response to the Welfare report. Comments like “… I think most New Zealanders would think that’s a little on the extreme side” can mean only one thing. The Rebstock report will be filed in the circular filing cabinet alongside the 2025 Taskforce ones, and New Zealand will continue its journey towards Third World Socialist Utopia status.
I have no real life experience of dealing with WINZ, from your posts I can see you do. It would be useful if you could impart some of that experience and therefore give us a better understanding of the mechanics.
In the MSM today I note Bradford is suggesting that moving from 6 years to 14 weeks is a step too far when it comes to work testing recipients, I note you are the parent of two children that you acknowledge, both are over 6 years old, this means on a number of occasions you wlii have experienced and obviously passed this test.
Please explain the nature of this test, and how you would improve the proceedure to ensure the right outcomes.
I accept there are different views on what the right outcomes may be, please help us to understand the system.
“no..what i am saying is that we will see a new bunch of fake rightwing commenters here this year..
national will do/use that as a campaigning tactic…”
Meanwhile we already have numerous fake left wing fuck tards using multiple indentities and no shortage of left wing trolls in the pay of labour and the greens whose evident sole employment is to come here and talk crap.
Stop trolling and go and look for a job asshole. Your free ride is over and your drug induced hysterical rants are not going to feed your addiction loser.
Translation: John Key says not to any meaningful reform of the DPB. More children born to keep mum/dad on the DPB and more child abuse cases, about which I’m supposed to feel guilty. As someone else said recently, I ignore all stats about how bad NZ is until I see a demographic breakdown.
Damn, is Hone turning into a moderate, what happened to the days when he would have decked Garrett. Hell even Nat voters would cheer at the sight.
grumpyoldhori, I doubt if Hone or any of his family would attack anyone who was likely to fight back. You just have to look at the history of his family’s cowardly attacks on mental health patients they were mean to be looking after.
Apartheid Party ? hmm, nope do not see any white South Africans who lived happily with the apartheid regime in place in the Maori party.
So how many white South Africans are in National electorates helping to choose the next Nat MPs ?
Jeez, jarpies are fucking dumb, assuming that a white woman would be happy to hear about the good ole days in sud affrica.
Extensive welfare shake-up needed: report
Last updated 12:00 22/02/2011
More than three quarters of all beneficiaries will be forced to seek work or face cuts to their payments under sweeping recommendations from the Government’s Welfare Working Group.
Sole parents, beneficiaries aged under 18 and those with drug and alcohol problems would be subject to the strictest controls if the plans are implemented in full, with harsh financial penalties for failure to comply.
Offshore_Kiwi you do not live,work or pay taxes in NZ so in reality you are just a foreigner ranting on about a foreign country.
Just drop your NZ passport because you are doing fuck all for NZ at all.
Fuck I have more time for ACT party types who stay and fight the good fight than those who fuck off when the going gets a bit tough.
Bloody wimps they are who leave then whine about NZ
The first bit of the welfare working group report says
Grow up and seek your destiny and stretch forth your hands for the tools of the western world to sustain you. Turn your heart to the treasures of your ancestors, your plumage, and place your spirit unto God to whom all things belong.
Time someone told these useless shits that this is NOT the USofA, that NZ has a proud, secular tradition that must be maintained and that GOD has no fucking place in public policy!
There is no god, religion poisons everything.
Now I wonder how much of this report is based on fact, and how much the dogmatic religious beliefs of its authors.
Bloody U.N. lectures New Zealand about the natives:
A United Nations report has highlighted what it says is the “extreme disadvantage” of Maori in comparison to the rest of the country.
The report was tabled in the General Assembly by the Special Rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, James Anaya.
In a mixed review, however, he hails the “significant strides” taken to advance the rights of Maori in recent years.
“The Special Rapporteur cannot help but note the extreme disadvantage in the social and economic conditions of Maori people in comparison to the rest of New Zealand society,” the UN report says.
“This disadvantage, which manifests itself across a range of indicators, including education, health, and income, is certainly detrimental to Maori people’s ability to act in partnership with the Crown, as contemplated under the Treaty of Waitangi.
“The Special Rapporteur notes that this disadvantage especially manifests itself among Maori people living in urban areas.”
Anaya notes that “regrettably” New Zealand continues to incarcerate Maori at a high rate.
One is tempted to ask: why do they offend so much?
..tell us how those aborted children aren’t directly down to you..
I’d say “correlation is not causation” except that there is in fact no bloody correlation either.
The fact is that benny-dom appears to breed people who are so lazy and feckless that they can’t even be bothered to go to a family planning clinic and get some subsidised condoms, so they use abortion as a form of contraception…
Offering $100 in the back pocket to any benficiary that gets a vasectomy or tube-tie will cut that abortion rate for ya.
Reference Number 3468575
Universal Time February 21 2011 at 23:51
NZ Daylight Time Tuesday, February 22 2011 at 12:51 pm
Latitude, Longitude 43.60°S, 172.71°E
Focal Depth 5 km
Richter magnitude 6.3
Within 5 km of Lyttelton
Within 5 km of Diamond Harbour
10 km south-east of Christchurch
Due to the proximity to the city, and the shallow depth this is likely to be worse than the 7.1.
It was a strong shake on the West Coast, was about to jump under the office desk!
This could be a very significant tragedy, I just hope no one was killed.
At least one person has been confirmed dead after after a 6.3 magnitude earthquake in Christchurch caused buildings to collapse and streets to crack and flood this afternoon.
The Fire Service confirmed to Radio New Zealand that there had been “deaths” and to Newstalk ZB that there was at least one dead.
Christchurch resident Jane Smith, who works in the central city, told the Herald a work colleague had just returned from helping rescue efforts after a building facade had collapsed on a bus on Colombo St.
“There’s people dead. He was pulling them out of a bus. Columbo St is completely munted.”
Hone Harawira is likely to be booted out of the Maori Party after a committee deciding his fate recommended to cancel his membership.
The Disciplinary and Disputes committee met yesterday to try and resolve the complaint made by Waiariki MP Te Ururoa Flavell after the Tai Tokerau MP published an article in a Sunday newspaper critical of the cosy relationship his party had with National.
Thoughts go out to the people of Christchurch, what an awful day.
On another note, did anyone catch a glimpse of the Herald online headlines before the quake hit? One of the most disgraceful pieces of journalism to come out of the tabloid for some time (which is saying something).
It read something like “National recommends chain gangs for unwed single mothers on DPB” when our sap ruling party arent even going to implement any of the reforms.
Just read the thread. Wanted to stab my knife into philus decomposing; body. Philu you fuckbag. Saying that cutting the benefit will raise rate of abortion is utter bs. Family planning already gives you all the free rubbers you want. I used them often when making passionate student love in my younger days. So the guvmint has already provided a solution for a problem you just createed.
..you reckon that the life of penury of most sole-mothers..
The life of solo mothers parents on the DPB is self-imposed, phil. Other people work, get pregnant, take parental leave, go back to work.
Many of their children get overseas holidays, a great education cause they pay for it, general life experiences that people with a “benefit entitlement” attitude will never be able to give their kids, not because “the system” holds them down, but because they just don’t choose to. They just don’t love their kids enough to give them the very very best of everything, apparently, because other people do this, with or without a Masters degree, all the time.
Just look at the workforce.
These very same children also grow up with absolutely no scars from not having their mum home when they get home from school, either because wise old mum successfully weaned them off that with no side-effects whatsoever.
“So which category are you in phil?”
Phool is in the category of ‘take what you can get’ from anyone who will give. LEECH.
A fucking leech, everyone knows Phool is a LEECH but there is no way to stop this until someone grows some balls.
Got that NATIONAL?
That wasn’t a promise to you phil it was a promise to me but I found your perspectives upon consideration so profoundly in error that I felt compelled to call bullshit.
..i wonder how he marries that with his anti-abortion religious-beliefs..?
Why I can’t recall my ever elucidating my personal position on abortion phil. Perhaps you’d care to enlighten. Of course, if you don’t quote, with at least a link to my post so we can see it in context, then j’accuse liar, tres terrible. Mont blanc.
I used to be uneasy about abortion, and certainly more so after thirteen weeks, I sure as hell do not and could not support late term or partial birth abortion under any circumstances.
Having said that, I now believe that there are nowhere near enough abortions (inside the 13 week mark) in NZ, more of our feral types should be encouraged to have terminations, it is the only way we will stop the trend of scum breeding scum.
Firstly language is important phil and your choice of language in “right-wing Christian” indicate you think of me more as someone who likes uniforms than someone who realised early on that self-discipline is the key to success. “Traditional” or “Conservative” (as in, wants to conserve) are more accurate.
Is this the same thing as stereotyping you as a typically arrogant green lefty layabout which many on this blog classify you as?
How can we possibli take you seriously phil when you commit the very crimes you so decry?
What really happened when Elton John and David Furnish decided to have a baby.
They had their sperm mixed together and had a surrogate mother artificially inseminated with it. When the baby was born Elton and David were waiting at the hospital. They were ushered into a ward where a dozen babies were lying in their cots, eleven of whom were crying and screaming. Over in the corner, one baby was smiling serenely. A nurse came over to both of them and indicated that the happy child was theirs.
“Isn’t it wonderful?” Elton said to David. “All these unhappy babies ……… and yet our baby is so happy. This just proves the superiority of gay love!”
The nurse said, “Oh sure, he’s happy now, but just watch what happens when I pull the thermometer out of his arse!”
What does NZ really need to stimulate the economy? If I was to chip in for 1 hour of someone’s labour each week, then how many kiwis doing the same would it take to subsidise enough jobs to ‘fix’ our economy? And how would we most efficiently handle creating the jobs? Encourage small businesses, cafe’s, rest homes, hospitals etc to simply add extra staff on their payroll? Apprenticeships, start up businesses. I’m sure a pretty good dent could be made in the unemployment level.
Or can’t the problem be fixed with subsidies?
Fair enough venting off Ciaron. It highlights how trivial a lot of the bitching is here, petty point scoring that means nothing in the wider scheme of things. We often get obsessed with nonsense – the earthquake brings home the realities of what really matters, lives, families and friends, fear and having a safe place to live. We don’t appreciate enough how lucky we usually are, and we can now see close up how devastating nature can be and real hardship it can deliver.
Agreed Pete. Normally I do not bother to negotiate Phil’s own peculiar hieroglyphical style but in the light of Ciaron’s rich and eloquent delivery I thought I would look at what it was all about. No-one can deny his passion but over-riding that is the complete lack of logic and offensiveness of his comments. They approach the same degree of obnoxiousness that warranted his last ban. To quote a former King of England ..”who will rid us of this troublesome prick?” or words to that effect.
You do not know me and you know nothing about my politics, religious, ethical and moral beliefs. They are my beliefs and I am comfortable living by them. I do not preach them to others and I do not have to explain them or justifiy them to you. One thing that I will explain to you is this: You have no right whatsover to make any assumption about any views that I hold about abortion and how or even whether I consider it in the context of so-called Christian beliefs. You have no justification for saying that I am greed driven or hypocritical. I have not and do not intend to get into this debate in this forum.
Your lack of logic is more than adequately demonstrated in that because I have criticised your reasoning vis-a-vis ciaron I am a “sick fucken greed-driven fucken hypocrite…”
If your skin is crawling Phil it is more likely to be substance driven because absolutely nothing I said justified your nasty little diatribe.
It pains me to even bother responding to your inanities, but I will nonetheless.
Your logic is fundamentally warped.
If, as you claim, that a change to DPB that would require mothers to go back to work when the first child is 3 will drive up the rate of abortions, then what you are really saying is that those same mothers only get pregnant (under the current regime) for the money.
Is that your claim phil; that women use the DPB today for a lifestyle?
What part of “I have not and do not intend to get into this debate in this forum” do you not understand Phillip?
What am I doing here?
1. You are not the hub of this Blog despite your aspirations to be so. I read other comments.
2. I debate to learn and inform. I learn nothing from you and you are beyond learning.
3. I chose not to debate abortion on a blogsite. Fuck you for suggesting that I do not have that right.
4. I do not regard responding to acrimonious and unjustified criticism as playing silly games.
5. I do not subscribe to your theory that because I do not express support for your views then I am opposed to them and am therefore evil. Because you are bigotted enough to hold those views then I do not intend engaging with you.
Clear enough? Now fuck off!
Aren’t the Democrats quickly turning their name into an oxymoron!? Now Democrats have fled Indiana, like their Wisconsin namesakes, in order to stymie the democratic process. I hear next year Obama’s campaign slogan will be “Yes We Ran”.