General Debate 24 February 2011

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kowtow

The “international community” have known for a very long time that Gady is a murdering,terrorist supporting piece of shit.

That incldes Obama, saint tony Blair (who embraced him) the non entity Korean global wamist head of UN etc.

It’s only now that he’s about to be knocked over that they are pretending to care. Hypocrites.

I’ll bet the same people who want the west to intervene now are the same ones who condemned, was it Reagan, when the USA tried to zap the little shit for bombing a disco in Germany all those years ago.

Same with Mugabe. We all know but do nothing. Speech at the UN, no problem.
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February 24, 2011 7:37pm
wat dabney

It’s a shame Ronald Reagan isn’t still around to see Gaddafi hanging from a lampost.
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February 24, 2011 7:37pm
bereal

Someone could produce a treatise on the subject of, say ,
“How Helen Clarks sexuality changed New Zealand”
What about, ” a self declared asexual. by Marg Wilson”
l Margaret Wilson, said,” my career must override my urges.”
The Question is,
how much has genuine conviction verses, how much has the sexuality of these women
changed New Zealand
Is it heathly ?
Has it served us well ?
What can we learn for the future ?
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February 24, 2011 8:03pm
wat dabney

Wisconsin governor attempts to ban leeching state sector unions

http://www.aei.org/article/103208

Same should happen here and everywhere.
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February 24, 2011 8:13pm
wat dabney

The Brigadier has died…

http://tardisnewsroom.blogspot.com/2011/02/brigadier-nicholas-courtney-has-died.html
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February 24, 2011 8:31pm
reid

Saudi Arabia’s ruling family has thus far been spared the type of popular discontent that has toppled presidents in Tunisia and Egypt and brought Libya to the brink of civil war.

At least until the CIA decides it doesn’t need them anymore, Manolo.

Banana Llama the looters were inevitable I’m afraid-As soon as the media reports a death the feral lowlifes will rub their grimy little criminal hands together and hit their house.

Definitely needs a particular crime and penalty for this aggravating factor. Real harsh, like say an extra five years on top of the current tarriff for this particular scum-baggery. No need for a mens rea (guilty mind) test for this particular act either done during a time like this or a family home during a funeral. Actus reus (guilty act) is sufficient, in this case, to establish guilt and apply the penalty, without judicial discretion to waive it. Easy. Problem gone.
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February 24, 2011 9:21pm
wat dabney

Libya has been suspended from the UN Human Rights Council.

The fact that it was ever on there in the first place tells you all you need to know about this leftist wet dream.
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February 24, 2011 9:29pm
big bruv

Another fantastic Chris Christie quote..

“Weathermen and Teachers, the only two professions rewarded for failure”
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February 24, 2011 9:33pm
Rodders

“The Brigadier has died…”

Thanks for the heads up. Very said to hear that.
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February 24, 2011 9:38pm
Luc Hansen

Ah, but wat, your Wisconsin governor has got a bit of a problem. The people object. And they are marching in their tens of thousands even as I post this. They say Americans are learning the art of democracy from Egypt.

For inconsistency consider this:

The Police and Fire Service are exempt from this removal of the right of collective bargaining

and

the governor has enacted tax cuts for corporates that actually caused his so-called fiscal crisis.

And Indiana has already backed down on the same proposal.
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February 24, 2011 11:02pm
RightNow

The only ‘people’ objecting are the union members. Most of who have simply abandoned their jobs. It’s not good for anyone but them Luc.

Anyway, them dems can’t resist payday. They’ll be there to pick up their cheque soon.
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February 24, 2011 11:10pm
RightNow

In the California Highway Patrol, it’s not uncommon for officers to have their salary doubled for their final year of service. This entitles them to double their pension, as it is indexed to their last year’s salary. I am sure if a NZ politician got such a deal we’d all be over it like a rash, and it would be canned. But this is what you are arguing in favour of Luc.
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February 24, 2011 11:22pm
Luc Hansen

RN

I’m arguing in favour of the right to collectively bargain. That’s all.

You began this discussion by accusing the Democrats of subverting the democratic process and have not been able to rebut the reply that, first, it’s their democratic right to flee the state, and second, that Republicans have done the same thing.

Indiana has backed down. The Tea Party backed governor of Florida has endorsed collective bargaining. The polls in Wisconsin are overwhelmingly against the Republicans. The longer it drags on, the worse it will get for the governor.

By the way, did you hear that he got stung with a prank phone call where he compares himself to Reagan? He thinks he’s the Messiah! He thought he was talking to David Koch. Have you heard of him?
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February 25, 2011 12:02am
RightNow

Luc, you fail to grasp the basic reason collective bargaining is wrong for public servants. It endows the power to stop the normal functioning of society to unelected persons. It is anti-democracy. I will accept you hold the view that collective bargaining should be a right for public servants, but you must accept my view is that it bestows powers to the collective that should only be bestowed on elected representatives.
My position is that the taxpayer should be represented as the employer in these affairs, and we should have the right to tender for services at the market price. The actions of the public service unions are analogous to the actions of a monopoly in the market. And if service, which is actually under an existing contract, is withdrawn (e.g. by strike action) then it has the potential to cause more disruption to the lives of ordinary citizens than 9/11 in NY.
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February 25, 2011 12:13am
RightNow

Luc, would you support the right for Telecom to withdraw services to customers unless they paid a 20% increase in charges?
It’s the same principle. And it includes the emergency services.
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February 25, 2011 12:21am
Maggie

Collective bargaining only for elected representatives?

Like who? City councillors? MPs?
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February 25, 2011 2:09pm

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