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The Greens have claimed their dramatic collapse into political oblivion is the price to pay for a ‘deal with the devil’.
It was completely wiped out with senior figures quick to rue their decision to form a coalition government while sticking the knife into the Fianna Fail party.
Manolo, equally as brilliant was that virtually the entire previous cabinet either lost their seats or didn’t stand. Nice to see an electorate place blame where it belongs, with the pocket-lining, mealy-mouthed fuckers who dropped them in the shit.
“I’m 63. Except for one semester in college when jobs were scarce and a six-month period when I was between jobs, but job-hunting every day, I’ve worked, hard, since I was 18. Despite some health challenges, I still put in 50-hour weeks, and haven’t called in sick in seven or eight years. I make a good salary, but I didn’t inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, there’s no retirement in sight, and I’m tired. Very tired.
I’m tired of being told that I have to “spread the wealth” to people who don’t have my work ethic. I’m tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it.
I’m tired of being told that Islam is a “Religion of Peace,” when every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family “honor”; of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren’t “believers”; of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for “adultery”; of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because the Qur’an and Shari’a law tells them to.
I’m tired of being told that out of “tolerance for other cultures” we must let Saudi Arabia use our oil money to fund mosques and mandrassa Islamic schools to preach hate in America and Canada , while no American nor Canadian group is allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia to teach love and tolerance.
I’m tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global warming, which no one is allowed to debate.
I’m tired of being told that drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support and treat them, and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them, and stuff white powder up their noses while they tried to fight it off?
I’m tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers and politicians of both parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting caught. I’m tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor.
I’m real tired of people who don’t take responsibility for their lives and actions. I’m tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination or big-whatever for their problems.
Yes, I’m damn tired. But I’m also glad to be 63. Because, mostly, I’m not going to have to see the world these people are making. I’m just sorry for my granddaughter”.
Robert A. Hall is a Marine Vietnam veteran who served five terms in the Massachusetts State Senate.
I’m commuting into Wellington on my motorbike this morning. Drifting along between the lines of traffic, I am in the left lane approaching the interchange southbound. I am doing about 45kph, the left lane traffic is doing maybe 35kph, the right lane traffic – because of the merge ahead – is doing maybe 20kph. This is normal. It usually takes me about a full second to overtake each car in the left hand lane. It is easy, quiet, smooth, no on-off-on, no left-right-left. I’d passed a police car a kilometre or so before without any drama.
I am in a fairly large 20-30metre gap in the left lane. That is, I’m on my own, no car beside me. To get from one end of the gap to the other is taking some 15 seconds or so. I am on an orange 650cc dual purpose bike, the headlight is turned on, I have bright LED’s turned on, I have a dayglo green visibility vest on and this guy who is in the right hand lane lunges across to the left. I have no time to react and it’s only because I am level with the car windows that he avoids hitting me.
Afterwards I get him to roll down the window and I ask him what it is about an orange, well lit bike with a 6ft 3in bloke in a dayglo vest that he doesn’t see. He replies, “oh sorry, the left wing mirror is broken”.
No shit Sherlock, I wonder how that happened. I remember when I was doing pilot training the instructor telling me that before turning the aircraft I had to look in every direction, even the opposite direction to where I was intending to turn, before doing anything. And this is in the sky where the nearest thing is usually several kilometres away.
What is it going to take to make people look before making big moves?
If I was Phil Goff, I would be seriously thinking of proposing that the term of the current Parliament be extended by a year, maybe two, on the grounds that now is not the time to divert public resources away from the recovery effort. The unspoken reasons would be that (a) John Key is now going to be unbeatable at the election, such has been the magnitude of the coverage he is getting and will continue to get (b) the longer the time till the election, the longer Andrew Little is not in Parliament.
The price to pay for snuggling up to an unpopular Tory (Fianna Fail) led government that is rightly blamed for the financial deregulation that has led to Ireland’s current economic woes.
And remember when Key and English were running around holding up the Irish economy as a model we could aspire to.
Lets hope the Greens here never make the same mistake.
Key was unbeatable the day before the quake George. If we wait for Goff to get all his shit in one sock we may as well make Key El Presidenta for life.
starboard,im 62 and i fully agree with him.Im tired too and worry a lot where my country is going to, His was the USA and my worry is NZ, Poor lazy tossers, rich troughers we have them all, you watch,the piss poor weak juges will let the looters of with a slap with a wet bus ticket, and lets not talk about those that we elect, the hones ,the chris carters , the pansy wongs TROUGHING UP, they are right down there with car/real estate sales men. SIGH
Yes Murray, but being a Blue party rather than a Green party doesn’t seem to make much difference to a politician’s wish to tell everyone what to do.
Case in point, JK’s “good friend” David Cameron. He, apparently, doesn’t think it’s right to hold a referendum on Europe if it’s not going to deliver the result he wants. What an utter 20 demerit descriptor he is.
Hell, Shunda, where’s the “radical socialism” apart from in bruv’s and Murray’s heads?
Green social and economic policy looks very similar to that of many moderate social democratic parties of yesteryear, modified to ensure envirnmental sustainability, and quite unlike anything that could be described as “radical socialism”.
I know the likes of bruv and Murray get all excited about standards for shower heads and light bulbs, but is removing peoples choice to use energy inefficient appliances really the end of the world as the capitalists know it?
There are a lot of people that have more moderate social views that also have an environmental conscience, many of them probably don’t vote green though.
I guess there is some evidence of the Greens moving away from the more extreme end of the spectrum, though I still find some of their ideas very hard to accept.
But unless the larger parties take on a more serious approach to the environment and sustainability I think the greens will be here to stay.
Toad, the anti smacking thing hurt the Greens real bad, and many would suggest (BJ) over a complete non issue.
That sort of social policy is radical, it has nothing to do with the environmental issues facing our nation yet a massive amount of political capital and credibility was blown away by one stubborn stand on an issue which is the epitome of extreme left wing activism the world over.
Who advised Poor Phil to stand lamely next to Helen while she did all the talking. How nice she flew in to state the flipping obvious. Noticed both of them have bad dye jobs. Is there something about Labour and the quest for eternal youth?
Am not keen on the tripling of the EQC levy on insured property owners. Of course it has to rise but the burden should be spread more widely across the whole population. Property owners already shell out far too much in extortionate rates and the insured always end up assisting those too lazy or greedy to take out their own insurance.
James arguing against John Key is not a case FOR greens.
If you’ve ever done any selling or marketing you know you will never make your product look better by slanging the oppositions. You jst make both look crap and the buyer not want either. I’m one of those who don’t want either but if given the choice between the greens and National is a slam dunk no brainer.
Murray – selling is all I’ve done for the last 20 years…and one thing I do know is that people who buy a product under false pretences don’t come back and buy again.
What is it with newstalkZB, they seem to reinvent words? funganui twopoo, chila now in the weekend a track meeting in the Wellington suburb (Newtin)???, not Newtown where i work ,even my wife said the newsroom is getting stranger,(newtin) ????
Wanganui is now called Fonganui Funganui fungenui,it depends on what maori courses, the plebe newsreaders anf what tribe was teaching,
I need to vent my frustration here! Follow my story….
I have (had) a business here in Christchurch. Haven’t had time to sort out our own damage as we are flat out looking after 50 rescue workers in our accommodation.
We have no income now though will get accom costs from civil defense at some later date.
A beneficiary is staying here at the moment. (rent free – bill free.) She is a solo mum to a 5 year old.
The other day she phoned WINZ lied to them, came up with a story, they put an EXTRA $800 in her account yesterday. She has told me that she intends to try and hit them for another $800 today so she can have a bit of a holiday (Holiday? From what? She’s never worked.)
So me, with no cash flow and trying to provide for 50 others and having my own 3 school aged children for the first time in my life I phoned WINZ to see if I could get not a cash handout, but just a temporary loan to buy food for the family.
No I was told. I need to be on the benefit first! So it appeared that I have to be a previous regular bludger to qualify to bludge some more. So if on benefit with 1 child = $800 (possibly $1600) and lifelong taxpayer needing short term loan for food for 3 kids $zero.
I saw an article in the news yesterday about how ‘everyone is rolling up their sleeves and pitching in’ Well no, not quite! Those who never did any work before the earthquake are doing more of the same! My wife and I are working 18 hour days at the moment just trying to get things shipshape. I asked this girls father if she could help out (being as she is staying rent free at our place) He said no, ‘because she doesn’t get out of bed before 4pm.) After 4pm it’s onto the Playstation…
This is not isolated. I have other ‘beneficiaries’ telling me how they are getting FREE money just for asking.
I wonder how many more in Christchurch are doing the same? It’s not like they need the extra money as the ones who are telling me about the ‘FREE’ money didn’t have any damage or loss to start with. Today housing NZ customers will not have to pay rent for a month (will probably still claim their housing supplement though.) Would be nice if as a hardworking taxpayer and ratepayer I could be relieved of the burden of rent for a month.
I guess I will still have to keep paying all these taxes, let my business collapse, my home is in ruins, and my children starve because I need to help build up the stock of FREE Money to be given to people who don’t need it in the first place..
“I know the likes of bruv and Murray get all excited about standards for shower heads and light bulbs, but is removing peoples choice to use energy inefficient appliances really the end of the world as the capitalists know it?”
Toad demonstrates (again) why the Greens are so dangerous, he would have you believe that the only thing the Greens want to control in our lives is our appliances, of course this is a blatant lie.
Given the chance the Greens would control our travel, how we travelled, what we said, how we say it, how much we can earn and how much we can spend.
They would totally change our education system, no other view apart from the politically correct view would be taught, the nations dominant culture would be slowly phased out in favour of a prehistoric one, English would be considered the second language of NZ and all school kids would be forced to learn the irrelevant Maori language.
Our economy would grind to a halt, regulations would hamper anything you wanted to do, somebody in Twisel could object to you chopping down a tree in Otaki, criminals would be wandering our streets, drugs would be legalised and partial birth abortions would be freely available.
There is a simple rule when dealing with the Greens, never believe anything they say and question everything they do.
Then you should know that running down one is crap way to sell another one.
Yes Murray, a basic tenet of professional sales however 1) Politics is not like professional sales and seems to be the one arena where it’s perfectly ok to slag off one’s competition and 2) I’m not selling either the Nats or the Greens.
There are a myriad of reasons to slag off the Greens*, it just seems to me that their “just wanting to tell everyone what to do” is not a particularly good one as it doesn’t exactly distinguish them from any other party except the Libz.
*My personal favourite being their plea to “listen to the scientists” over Global Warming, whilst simultaneously being anti-science on just about any other subject you care to mention.
I see the witch has returned, perhaps Shonkey can hit her up for a few billion, it’s not like the UNDP would miss it. A few billion more missing would hardly raise any eyebrows.
Let him talk BB, it reminds everyone that the greens think they have a RIGHT to dictate to people at every level, right down to light bulbs.
James labour went hard negative in the last election. The results seem to indicate a no sale.
Once again chosing national is not a vote for national, itas a vote against the greens and labour. You haven’t said anythign change my mind. Seems your slanging key was a no sale.
Once again chosing national is not a vote for national, itas a vote against the greens and labour. You haven’t said anythign change my mind. Seems your slanging key was a no sale.
Murray, Murray, Murray…you really need to chill out a bit old son. I don’t get why you’re having a go at me for “slanging” Key when it appears you’re only voting for him as a “least worst” option…a conclusion I entirely agree with, even if I’m likely to still vote ACT for the same reasons.
First of all well done for all your hard work, a true Kiwi trooper! Secondly tell the stupid bludging parasite that you will now be charging her rent $400 a week, sounds fair for room and board given she has no other expenses. If she doesn’t want to pay anything she can work it off at the (net) minimum wage equivalent. Failing that tell her to foxtrot oscar.
Once again chosing national is not a vote for national, itas a vote against the greens and labour. You haven’t said anythign change my mind.
Methodology? Negative result? All I said was that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehova there are better criticisms of the Greens than those which can be applied equally to all politicians. Sheesh.
Tapu Misa: Beneficiaries easy target for cattle prod
A friend suggests I throw reason out the door the next time I’m arguing with my husband, and just use this line: “I’m not saying it’s your fault. I’m just saying I’m blaming you.”
Maybe the Welfare Working Group has been reading the same website as my friend. Its final report is underpinned by the same message: We’re not saying it’s your fault you can’t get a job. We’re just saying you’re a malingering freeloader who’s not trying hard enough.
So I’m not saying the group is heartless, I’m just saying that some of its proposals lack a heartbeat.
adze, I’d have dobbed the parasite in already if I was Tookinator. What she’s done is morally equivalent to looting.
I’m all for a campaign of naming and shaming, let us know who the scum are among us.
In March the Moon will be the closest to Earth for 2011, he says.
“This week’s was always going to be the curtain-raiser for next month.”
This does not mean a big quake will definitely occur, he says.
Was it always going to be a curtain raiser or not?
The way I see it the geologists have got it all wrong — they say these earthquakes are not occurring on any known faults, but earthquakes create faultlines as they go.
“People should forget looking for them, and concentrate more on the timing of these things.
“You have a mighty ball of energy 40 times the size of Hiroshima hurtling through the Earth.
“It’s not going to look for a tiny fault line to go through. Fault lines are just scars.”
I think he’s saying that fault lines are just an end result of earthquakes, not plate boundaries and related stress lines. By that logic an earthquake could occur anywhere regardless of plate tectonics.
I think Ring should stick to weather forecasts, which are as inaccurate but less consequential – carrying an umbrella is a bit easier than avoiding an earthquake.
The price to pay for snuggling up to an unpopular Tory (Fianna Fail) led government that is rightly blamed for the financial deregulation that has led to Ireland’s current economic woes.
Toad, when you make an asumption, you typically end up looking like an ass.
“Historically Fianna Fáil has been seen as to the left of Fine Gael and to the right of the Labour Party. However Fianna Fáil has been categorised as being left wing and has led governments including parties of the left (Labour Party and Green Party).” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fianna_F%C3%A1il
The “Tories” of the Irish political scene are quite clearly Fine Gael:
“Fine Gael is generally seen as more to the political right than its major rival Fianna Fáil[2] but has never been in power without the centre-left Labour Party. Fine Gael is variously described as a centre-right[9][10] [3] or centrist[4][11] party, though it describes itself as a “party of the progressive centre”.[12] The party lists its core values as equality of opportunity, fiscal rectitude, free enterprise and reward, individual rights and responsibilities.[13]” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Gael
Oh shit! Would ya look at that, the party that stands for free enterprise & individual rights won!!!!!
Tookinator 11:17 am My commiserations. Contact your MP, and dob her in. The welfare problem Western countries have is the down side of seventy plus years of socialisim, and relativisim.
According to the papers the greens have lost all their seats and have been completely chucked out of the Irish parliament. no seats, none zip nada nothing.
Historically, you are correct. But it was Fianna Fáil which has behaved like your typical Tory party in recent years, ushering in the Irish Neo-Lib revolution.
A bit like the 1984-90 Labour Government here, which implemented policies far to the right of anything National had ever done, despite National being widely perceived as the “Tory” party.
Also, as you quote, when Fine Gael has been in power it has always been in coalition with the Irish Labour Party which has acted as a restraint on Fine Gael’s tendency to the right.
Toad>despite National being widely perceived as the “Tory” party
Widely? I doubt it and have never seen the idea promoted by anyone who wasn’t feeble witted. Wikipedia defines Tory as “a traditionalist and conservative political philosophy which grew out of the Cavalier faction in the Wars of the Three Kingdoms”. Only the conservative tag applies to National, and then only to some National members. I’ve never heard of anyone in National referring to the Cavaliers, and the Wikipedia article doesn’t mention New Zealand or the National Party once.
It’s about as sensible as saying that the NZ Greens are widely perceived as branches of the Libyan Revolutionary Committees on basis that you share the colour green.
Oh give it up Toad – your constant tiresome meme to justify any derogatory term you use against your political opponents is no more than a sad reflection on yourself. Face it, you’re always eager to denigrate ANYONE remotely right as centre, with terms such as “far right” and “tory”.
Also, as you quote, when Fine Gael has been in power it has always been in coalition with the Irish Labour Party which has acted as a restraint on Fine Gael’s tendency to the right.
Really? To me it looks like the Irish have two parties full of mature adults who are willing to put aside entrenched positions and bottom lines in order to represent the Irish people. – like the current coalition between National and the Maori Party, their MP’s consider themselves more mature than your average Green MP it seems.
Case in point – The Greens will never get the ETS they want and dream about, but they may have achieved an ETS closer to the one they want if they choose to be constructive and enter into negotiation with National instead of retreating to an anti-national position.
davidp, thats because Toad only wants to denigrate National as Tory. He doesnt give a toss if there is an iota of fact to the comparison, much like when him and his ilk repeat the label of the Act party as Far Right in the hope of others drawing comparisons to some of the more disgusting regimes in the worlds history. Its a disgusting form of debating which him and all members of the Green Party are guilty of.
As I understand modern Irish political parties, they have their basis in the attitude of members of the Dáil in the vote on the Anglo-Irish Treaty on 7 January 1922.
Fine Gael origins lie with the pro-Treaty side in the Irish Civil War, identifying in particular Michael Collins. Fianna Fáil is associated with the anti-Treaty side and Éamon de Valera.
To quote Wiki:
“On a vote of 64 to 57, the Dáil narrowly passed the Anglo-Irish Treaty on 7 January 1922. Under the leadership of Michael Collins and Arthur Griffith it set about establishing the Irish Free State, a national, fully re-organised army from the IRA and a new police force, the Civic Guard (soon renamed the Garda Síochána) which replaced one of Ireland’s two police forces, the Royal Irish Constabulary. The second, the Dublin Metropolitan Police merged some years later with the Garda.
“However a minority led by Éamon de Valera opposed the Treaty, on the grounds that it did not create a fully independent state, or a republic, that it imposed a declaration of fidelity to the British monarch on Irish parliamentarians and that it provided for the partition of the island. De Valera led his supporters out of the Dáil and a bloody civil war, between pro and anti-treaty sides, followed; only coming to an end in 1923. The civil war cost more lives than the Anglo-Irish War that preceded it and left divisions that are still felt in Irish politics today.”
My main point being that Irish political parties are unique and applying New Zealandesque labels to them doesn’t work.
Manolo I live in Auckland and begrudgingly read the Herald. In my circles Tapu Misa is a joke. Her articles are so far left they are bordering on extremism. Did you see the one she wrote about that ‘sweet kid’ BJ Kurariki?? Apparently he is the victim of evil Colonial oppression and never stood a chance in the White man’s world…..
Surely you’d be eligible for a benefit, not having – nor likely to have in the forseeable future – an income. If their argument is “you’ll get some money eventually” then the correct procedure is to help you now, have you declare income later, and make any adjustment then.
This isn’t a time for “I don’t want to be a beneficiary” pride, if that’s what’s holding you back. No one – or at least no one in their right mind – would think any the less of you for applying.
But your plight highlights a wider flaw in welfare laws. When I was dumped on the streets of Perth with $110 in my pocket, no family, no friends, no home, I went to Centrelink (Australia’s WINZ). Thanks to Helen Clark having signed a deal with the Tories I was rendered ineligible for a permanent benefit no matter how long I live here and how much I pay in taxes (thanks, Helen. Hope the pat on the head it earned you from John Howard was worth it).
But that also meant I was ineligible for the emergency payment everyone released from prison gets – $250. Even if you’re a serial killer or a multiple rapist you get your $250. But not if you’re not eligible for a permanent benefit.
One would assume that in a first world country in the 21st century there’d be an emergency safety net for someone in trouble. Even if – in the case of foreigners – it was recoverable (from the person and, failing that, their government) so as not to burden the taxpayer.
But no, as you point out unless you’re intending to give up altogether and rely completely on others, there’s no help to just keep you propped up in the short term. It’s something we need to address because sadly this won’t be our last natural disaster and more people will find themselves in your situation at some time in the future.
but to suggest that Lesbian parents are better than heterosexual parents is rubbish.
Actually I read the headline and took it to be yet another attack on solo parents, based on some statistics. But there’s no statistics. No facts. Nothing on which to build a legitimate news story.
It uses a Hollywood movie and three (out of how many hundred?) sets of lesbian parents to make a point that… well I’m not even sure of the point. That having two parents, even if both are lesbian, is better than having one? Bullshit… it depends on the calibre of the parent(s) though of course two incomes is going to give them an advantage. That two lesbians are better than a heterosexual couple (or, presumably, two gay men). Again, bullshit, for the same reason.
But none of this is explained, let alone proven, by that story, which simply has no place in any legitimate news source (which, a cynic might be tempted to say, is why it appears on Stuff).
Thursday, 03 March 2011, 12:30pm to 2:00pm
Venue: Spectrum Theatre – BP House, 20 Customhouse Quay Wellington.
Speaker: Dr. Ian MacKenzie, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich.
Cap-and-trade regulation is often perceived as a panacea for many environmental problems. Given an aggregate pollution target, emission certificates are traded among polluting agents, which results in cost-effective pollution control. However, the implementation of recent schemes, such as those in the United States, European Union, and New Zealand, have called into question many current design aspects. This talk will introduce some of those controversial aspects of cap-and-trade schemes experienced around the world, as well as providing possible corrective policies (and institutional arrangements), which may avoid future problems.
Some aspects of your account puzzle me. How was she able to phone Winz to get the money? I have had experience of Winz and I have never heard of being able to just phone them up and then they put money in your account.
Contrary to popular urban myths it is not easy to get money from them, specially by ‘telling them a big story’ over the phone.
How is she able to live at your place rent-free?
She has a child, yet you say she doesn’t roll out of the pit until 4pm. Where’s the child? Who is looking after it? Does the child go to school? How?
If she is as you say she is, then she needs to get off her arse and help out.
John Key really needs to learn to read a speech with emphasis and feeling. Those speech writers who put together a reasonable attempt of a speech obviously mean well but Key stuffs it up by rattling it off at speed. I recall Holyoake, Mulddon, Kirk and Lange had the ability to measure their delivery for affect. It is not difficult, but there goes John Key, head down, reading it and rattling it off, job done. A few media and speech presentation lessons would solve it. Perhaps too the odd well considered adlib would not detract from the solemness of the ocassion. Key does succeed in speaking without notes in Parliament. So when it comes to Pike River and Christchurch why cant he do the same.
As for his speech writer’s statement that it is NZ darkest day, well, I dont know. It was certainly one of our darkest days. What it suggests is that these young communication folk/speech writers have little knowledge of our history and our collective past. The Napier quake in the 1930′s also flattened a city and we lost 256 souls. Tangiwai in 1953 we lost 151. How about Erebus over 257 deaths. Oh yes and while we are about it lets consider WW1. That dreadful day on the Somme in 1916, 600 from the NZ Division lay dead before midday, 1200 wounded and missing, from a division of 6,000 in number. The following year, it was surpassed by Passchendaele. So, ChCH an absolute horror……….one of our darkest days.
JK doesn’t speak as well as you would like.
Re: the darkest day; I think the fact that the huge loss of life AND massive massive property/ livelihood damage probably does it for most.
Quite agree Lance, it could well do it for most. Doesnt do it for me though. We shouldn’t twink out the disasters of the past simply because a speech writer cannot reach back that far. A dark day certainly.
Look the guy makes a good job of speaking in Parliament, why cant he transfer that skill to the public platform?
Parking N*zi arrives and puts “boot” on woman’s car because “because her permit was on her dashboard, not her windshield” 8-|
Woman says “screw this” and sits in her car for 30 hours so Herr Oberparkingfuhrer can’t get it towed. He also sits and waits .
He gives up. She takes off boot and drives away. Since police say it’s a civil matter she doesn’t face charges.
What sort of pathetic, no-life-outside-his-job parking pipsqueak waits 30 hours to claim his “prize”? Typical of the mentally stunted chip-on-the-shoulder types who typically flock to such positions of minor power, in my experience.
(And yes dime, I too feel better having got that off my chest )
I don’t know whether it is deliberate or not, but the PM’s poor speech-making ability is all part of “Brand Key”. He isn’t a David Lange or a Ronald Reagan or a Winston Churchill, able to turn reading the Income Tax Act into a gripping piece of theatre. He’s just a guy who does stuff. People relate to him because of it. Sure, he could take a few lessons from a speech coach and getting his timing better, but he would not longer be, and be seen to be, John Key, the guy who does stuff.
Watching the awards on ch20 and a person won an award for a movie called INSIDE JOB about the shits that bought this crap that we are going through, HELL the firm that hone key worked(SHIT)dealed in(MERRILL LYNCH),john key dealed deals on our sweat thats not work HONE KEY you have $50000000 from ruining peoples futures HOW MUCH ARE YOU DONATING.NO MILLIONS SO FAR,DONATE MONEY DEALER HONE KEY opps etSCAM are YOU MAKING MONEY,boy did you push it through ,HOW MUCH HAVE YOU MADE SO FAR???
In 1995, he joined Merrill Lynch as head of Asian foreign exchange in Singapore. That same year he was promoted to Merrill’s global head of foreign exchange, based in London, where he may have earned around US$2.25 million a year including bonuses, which is about NZ$5 million at 2001 exchange rates.[3][8] Some co-workers called him “the smiling assassin” for maintaining his usual cheerfulness while sacking dozens (some say hundreds) of staff after heavy losses from the 1998 Russian financial crisis.[4][8] He was a member of the Foreign Exchange Committee of the New York Federal Reserve Bank from 1999 to 2001.[9]
hone key PISS AND WIND and a lot of CASH a grin and STUFF ALL
“Look the guy makes a good job of speaking in Parliament, why cant he transfer that skill to the public platform?”
That is a reasonable question, like you I also see a big difference between the John Key who speaks in the house and the John Key who speaks in public.
I suspect that this is because he has munters writing his speeches for him, they have never studied his style, they have never bothered to learn that Key speaks at his best when he is given bullet points to work from (this show up best in the house)
A decent speech writer would learn from the way Key speaks in the house and tailor his public speeches to suit his style, there is no doubt that at his best Key is a dynamic speaker, he just needs better material to work with.
Sorry big bruv are you a new NZr, there are books you can read, are you a new immigrant are you a BLUDGER, you sound foreign gaddaffi hes a big bruv, hitler mao,BIG BRUVS whats the idiot that ruining iran, does he post on kiwiblog ,big bruvs,theres been a lot IN THE PAST
big bruv (8,649) Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
paws
Here is a hint, try using English, you will find that a lot more people will be able to work out what the hell you are on about
i can read BB can you UNDERSTAND
boy can people read on Mr Farrar blog ,wow who could tell, Mr Farrar serves a community service except when big bruv posts
Anybody interested in some of the dangers in having an amaturish academic who is really
only interested in domestic social engineering leading the free world and running the worlds
only superpower, Barry, could go to ‘gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com’ and scroll down to
Nial Ferguson interviewed on MSNBC Feb 27. (thats today our time)
Sorry i cant link to it directly for some reason
He sums up Obamas inept foreign policy brilliantly, “I’m not George W Bush. Love me.”
February 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Watching the awards on ch20 and a person won an award for a movie called INSIDE JOB about the shits that bought this crap that we are going through, HELL the firm that hone key worked(SHIT)dealed in(MERRILL LYNCH),john key dealed deals on our sweat thats not work HONE KEY you have $50000000 from ruining peoples futures HOW MUCH ARE YOU DONATING.NO MILLIONS SO FAR,DONATE MONEY DEALER HONE KEY opps etSCAM are YOU MAKING MONEY,boy did you push it through ,HOW MUCH HAVE YOU MADE SO FAR???
In 1995, he joined Merrill Lynch as head of Asian foreign exchange in Singapore. That same year he was promoted to Merrill’s global head of foreign exchange, based in London, where he may have earned around US$2.25 million a year including bonuses, which is about NZ$5 million at 2001 exchange rates.[3][8] Some co-workers called him “the smiling assassin” for maintaining his usual cheerfulness while sacking dozens (some say hundreds) of staff after heavy losses from the 1998 Russian financial crisis.[4][8] He was a member of the Foreign Exchange Committee of the New York Federal Reserve Bank from 1999 to 2001.[9]
hone key PISS AND WIND and a lot of CASH a grin and STUFF ALL
[DPF: 20 demerits for shouting. Less CAPS]
WOW we post in libya CAPS BRING DEMERITS, or the truth brings demerits, MR Farrar is free with demerits this month.look whose gone this month, Mr Farrar having a bad hair month ban ban ban ban i notice those who accuse other posters of being druggies or thieves are not demerited , but then its his blog
maybe his hero hone key is worring him. wow 40 demerits the price of free speech, this seems really childish to me ,but hell you are linked to politics,this is right down there with car dealers real estate sellers and massage parlour owners , is there a differance ,i have standards Darn
I like the natural way John Key speaks. Perhaps some people just love performing poodles like glib PR types with soothing elocution. I always look for sincerity and authenticity and that’s he gives us.
Some people’s carping amazes me and you have to wonder if they have ever been constantly in the public eye or had to take responsibility for fronting serious matters or taking important decisions. I doubt it.
If all you can criticise is the way Key speaks then you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. He sounds like a typical Kiwi bloke to me.
Thanks for that Rex, good onya
One of the comments about that great interview on the “gatewaypundit” site included this statistic.
which i have slightly abbreaviated.
Percentage of cabinet appointed by previous presidents who had any experience in the private
sector whatever prior to being appointed.
Eisenhower 57 %
Kennedy 30%
Johnson 47%
Nixon 53%
Ford 42%
Carter 32%
Reagan 56%
GH Bush 51%
Clinton 39%
GW Bush 55%
and, wait for it……
Obama 8%
Any readers care to work out the percentage in Helen Clarks last cabinet
or John Keys ?
Bereal’s 5.01pm comment set me thinking. Could it be that indirectly the right of centre voters throughout the world are responsible for many of the ills facing the world today. Everytime we pick some no hoper to lead us & the floating voters rebel we end up with something the left have scraped off the floor. Eg
1) John Banks’ smarmy arrogance lets Len Brown through.
2) Shipley precedes Dear Leader.
3) Eight years of the ‘aw shucks’ halfwit Bush & the USA have had enough….. now they have the magic Kenyan.
It wouldn’t be hard to find other examples but the Right have a great responsibility to choose their leaders well – we owe it to the world.
If all you can criticise is the way Key speaks then you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. He sounds like a typical Kiwi bloke to me.
Yep he sounded that way when he gave 100 fellow troughers the flick at merrill lynch (sorry bros im a typical nz i shaft to get my millions) and i smile.( no caps were injured in posting this)
Hey Frogboy, Fine Gael campaigned on “smaller, better government.” Don’t think the eco-socialist dream you long for will be revived under the new government.
Hopefully the nutjobs your lot have in parliament suffer the same fate this year.
does anyone elses skin crawl when they hear phil goff say “kiwis”? or is it just me?
i see hillary barry is on the front page of the womans weekly… she turning a profit from this tragedy or donating the fee?? or has she just had a “miracle baby”?
I think that’s the problem. Alot of people hoped he would but I haven’t seen alot of stuff done.
He wants to stay popular and get re elected ,fair enough, but there’s got to be more to it than simply not being Helen Clark.
Irish politics. Both FF and FG are right wing parties in the traditional sense of the word. Both would be akin to National.
This election represents a punishment to the FF party that have ruled for some time and the Greens who shored them up this last while.
There has actually been a big swing to the left there. Sinn Fein have picked up lots of seats. They were once committed to overthrowing the Irish state (may still be)
Hi Lance, get real, there is no way on earth philu is out looking for work.
After 15 odd years sitting on your arse smoking dope everyday you become institutionalised.
Never going to happen,
he may shift to the sickness or unemployment benny when his 16 years are up. but that will be it.
paws, i dont think you understand dear, people who work in the private sector are not troughers,
troughers are the ones with their noses in our (taxpayers) money. And taking more than they deserve.
The other truth that escapes you is that with the normal cycle buisness expands and contracts,
the people Key had to fire would be aware of that and went on to careers with other entities.
Nobody wants to fire any productive employee.
Wake up dear, get the chip off your shoulder, dont be so bitter.
kowtow – i reckon if you had a beer with JK, you would find he would like to do a lot of things. im sure its all part of his strategy. it sucks cause we have to wait, but NZ was dragged so far to the left, it takes time for the public to accept change.
hell, the media and lefties go apeshit at partial asset sales still.. even though communist countries do it.
sums us up really. we are stil a left leaning nation.
paws, i dont think you understand dear, people who work in the private sector are not troughers,
troughers are the ones with their noses in our (taxpayers) money. And taking more than they deserve.
The other truth that escapes you is that with the normal cycle *buisness expands and contracts,
the people Key had to fire would be aware of that and went on to careers with other entities.
Nobody wants to fire any productive employee.
Wake up dear, get the chip off your shoulder, dont be so bitter.
paws, i dont think you understand dear, people who work in the private sector are not troughers,
troughers are the ones with their noses in our (taxpayers) money. And taking more than they deserve.
The other truth that escapes you is that with the normal cycle buisness expands and contracts,
the people Key had to fire would be aware of that and went on to careers with other entities.
Nobody wants to fire any productive employee.
Wake up dear, get the chip off your shoulder, dont be so bitter.
*business, sorry im called an idiot often, use spell check,whats with the queens speech
Umm i work in the private sector, im not philu,im old but im not a old trougher national MP, or a coat tail hanger on wanting to be one
dime. yes hearing the term ‘Kiwis’ from Goff is grating. Over and over.
He got that directly from Dear Leader Helen. She used it incessantly when speaking in parliament.
It pissed me off so much that when Key was in opposition i wrote to him and sugested he start
using it just as often so that she couldnt coin it for herself .
Phil- in has picked up a few things in his, what, 40 odd plus years apprenticeship.
paws,
thanks for drawing attention to the typo. Big point for you, in your mind.
Thanks for explaining all the things you are not. But you are a joke darling.
Hey luc – nasa has a solution to your global warming problem!!!!!
“After a regional nuclear war, though, average global temperatures would drop by 2.25 degrees F (1.25 degrees C) for two to three years afterward, the models suggest.”
Sweet!
There will also be disease and famine.. but thats all good. we need to thin our own ranks right?? if we could just limit the deaths to evil white people…
God if you lot got together,what a blast,like a party with no booze, hell dont worry Mr Farrar will demerite me away soon
( he dosnt want uneducated waka rockers on his blog) so you boring souls should whine and get your insults in ,as if im worried, hell im learning off you educated souls(no caps or neutrons were upset in this post).HELL Mr Farrar i have stopped five right wing whinners moaning about the poor ungratefull plebes they are focusing on me and they are abusing me, ,thats got to be better than a poor bottle of whine, ps any demerits for them OHH silly me you dont do you
Sparkyspitz, the Geonet guy said studies had been done that have shown the moon could be a factor with smaller earthquakes but not with larger ones. He’s probably got quite a few qualifications on the subject – which is something Ring doesn’t have it you think that’s important.
I dont inspire to be hone key im happy to be myself, at least i sleep straight in a bed, i voted for him before i saw through him.Hone key at the time was the best of a bad bunch, i will never vote again, so then i will not feel betrayed , like that old soul in the Sunday Star Times whose supported the NATS since time begain, and who hone key fobbed of, over the sea bed act.That old nat supporter is like me, we know candy floss when we see it.
If we us lot got together it would be a hoot, right now would provide the booze (home brew) and Dime would bring the hookers, what a party it would be.
Tinakori (61) Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Well said Tinakori. Agree with everything.
God if you lot got together,what a blast,like a party with no booze, hell dont worry Mr Farrar will demerite me away soon
( he dosnt want uneducated waka rockers on his blog)
paws, you’re an idiot. You’re a fucking moron. Not once in your short yet lamentable KiwiBlog history have you ever said something original or thought-provoking.
Unlike toad, BTW.
So if you really have to be a lefty, why do you have to be a moronic one? Have mercy paws. Either say something sensible – anything will do – or just shut up and fuck off. Remember: it’s not cause you’re a lefty, it’s cause you’re a fucking moron, and we already have one of those, and he’s on holiday right now, so the adults are trying to talk. Have mercy paws.
P.S. paws, the key is, say something astute about some lefty angle; like Hone/McCarten/Bradford or something else and we’ll respond. If ya just wheel out the lefty memes, which of us, politicos all, do you think hasn’t already heard or thought about them, in detail? Remember where you are.
On the topic of crap opinion writers in the Hooeruld, did anyone see that bedwetting author cry about Whitcoulls not putting his crap books in a prominent place and that’s why he doesn’t care if they’ll go under?
Maybe he should learn that more people would rather buy Dan Brown or calenders than whatever abstract shite Graham Hay or whatever his name is has pumped out. Supply and demand or popularity in a physical setting where space is at a premium or whatever. It’s basic stuff.
Honestly, what is it with these artsy types and being complete berks?
“Honestly, what is it with these artsy types and being complete berks?”
Dead bloody right!, if I was PM for a day and could choose one department that I could slash funding for it would be a bloody hard call to make, I would be divided between gutting WINZ or gutting funding for “the arts”.
I suspect it would be “the arts” that got the chop, it could be argued that some (about 10%) of what WINZ does is good, however it is impossible to argue that “the arts” has any value at all.
I think a viable idea would be for the govt to underwrite the country-wide tours of many overseas fine-art collections of many genres, all proceeds going to ChCh. A win-win-win.
Esp doing it during the RWC. Agree it’s not the usual crowd.
The best piece of art I ever saw was a piece of rope standing up like a cobra and I wish I’d bought it but I didn’t.
I’m quite glad I didn’t now cause it would’ve cost about $3,300 when I was a student and I too wonder if that’s when I also lost my soul somewhere somewho.
Right Pete, those studies were done 100 years ago. And passion, curiosity, the power of observation count only when backed up by a University degree?
Oh the comments on the TV3 website do give me more than hope for humanity. No wonder the powers that were are doing all they can to cling to what is left of the crumbling power structure.
GNS guy said ocean tides can’t influence large earthquakes, but what about the tides of molten rock under the earths crust? Before you answer that Pete I want to know if you have appropriate degrees to be forming any kind of opinion…
And GNS guy said that the work that they do, they don’t include the Moon in their science, which to me means they don’t look at that possibility, not in their science.
passion, curiosity, the power of observation count only when backed up by a University degree
sparky been to a hospital lately?
Seriously, history shows professional people often can’t or refuse to ever look beyond their own domain but also that’s often where the great discoveries lie.
Why don’t you guys like art. Doesn’t it do something for your soul?
Who says so? Alongside science I love paintings, sculptures, and above all classical music.
Visiting a good museum, not the rubbbish Te Papa is, is a true gift to the soul and the best thing one can do.
February 28th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Vote:Yus!
February 28th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Theres no first now in society,we all win
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:35 am
It would be wonderful if it happens here, wouldn’t it?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/greens-come-to-terms-with-wipeout-15097849.html
Greens come to terms with wipe-out
The Greens have claimed their dramatic collapse into political oblivion is the price to pay for a ‘deal with the devil’.
It was completely wiped out with senior figures quick to rue their decision to form a coalition government while sticking the knife into the Fianna Fail party.
Hat Tip: TrueBlue NZ
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Manolo, equally as brilliant was that virtually the entire previous cabinet either lost their seats or didn’t stand. Nice to see an electorate place blame where it belongs, with the pocket-lining, mealy-mouthed fuckers who dropped them in the shit.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Something to ponder…
“I’m 63 and I’m Tired”
By Robert A. Hall
“I’m 63. Except for one semester in college when jobs were scarce and a six-month period when I was between jobs, but job-hunting every day, I’ve worked, hard, since I was 18. Despite some health challenges, I still put in 50-hour weeks, and haven’t called in sick in seven or eight years. I make a good salary, but I didn’t inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, there’s no retirement in sight, and I’m tired. Very tired.
I’m tired of being told that I have to “spread the wealth” to people who don’t have my work ethic. I’m tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it.
I’m tired of being told that Islam is a “Religion of Peace,” when every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family “honor”; of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren’t “believers”; of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for “adultery”; of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because the Qur’an and Shari’a law tells them to.
I’m tired of being told that out of “tolerance for other cultures” we must let Saudi Arabia use our oil money to fund mosques and mandrassa Islamic schools to preach hate in America and Canada , while no American nor Canadian group is allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia to teach love and tolerance.
I’m tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global warming, which no one is allowed to debate.
I’m tired of being told that drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support and treat them, and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them, and stuff white powder up their noses while they tried to fight it off?
I’m tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers and politicians of both parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting caught. I’m tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor.
I’m real tired of people who don’t take responsibility for their lives and actions. I’m tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination or big-whatever for their problems.
Yes, I’m damn tired. But I’m also glad to be 63. Because, mostly, I’m not going to have to see the world these people are making. I’m just sorry for my granddaughter”.
Robert A. Hall is a Marine Vietnam veteran who served five terms in the Massachusetts State Senate.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Perhaps “Fail” might not be the best word to include in a parties title.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:46 am
@ starboard. Awesomeness
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:48 am
So…
I’m commuting into Wellington on my motorbike this morning. Drifting along between the lines of traffic, I am in the left lane approaching the interchange southbound. I am doing about 45kph, the left lane traffic is doing maybe 35kph, the right lane traffic – because of the merge ahead – is doing maybe 20kph. This is normal. It usually takes me about a full second to overtake each car in the left hand lane. It is easy, quiet, smooth, no on-off-on, no left-right-left. I’d passed a police car a kilometre or so before without any drama.
I am in a fairly large 20-30metre gap in the left lane. That is, I’m on my own, no car beside me. To get from one end of the gap to the other is taking some 15 seconds or so. I am on an orange 650cc dual purpose bike, the headlight is turned on, I have bright LED’s turned on, I have a dayglo green visibility vest on and this guy who is in the right hand lane lunges across to the left. I have no time to react and it’s only because I am level with the car windows that he avoids hitting me.
Afterwards I get him to roll down the window and I ask him what it is about an orange, well lit bike with a 6ft 3in bloke in a dayglo vest that he doesn’t see. He replies, “oh sorry, the left wing mirror is broken”.
No shit Sherlock, I wonder how that happened. I remember when I was doing pilot training the instructor telling me that before turning the aircraft I had to look in every direction, even the opposite direction to where I was intending to turn, before doing anything. And this is in the sky where the nearest thing is usually several kilometres away.
What is it going to take to make people look before making big moves?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:49 am
If I was Phil Goff, I would be seriously thinking of proposing that the term of the current Parliament be extended by a year, maybe two, on the grounds that now is not the time to divert public resources away from the recovery effort. The unspoken reasons would be that (a) John Key is now going to be unbeatable at the election, such has been the magnitude of the coverage he is getting and will continue to get (b) the longer the time till the election, the longer Andrew Little is not in Parliament.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:55 am
@Manolo 9:35 am
The price to pay for snuggling up to an unpopular Tory (Fianna Fail) led government that is rightly blamed for the financial deregulation that has led to Ireland’s current economic woes.
And remember when Key and English were running around holding up the Irish economy as a model we could aspire to.
Lets hope the Greens here never make the same mistake.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Key was unbeatable the day before the quake George. If we wait for Goff to get all his shit in one sock we may as well make Key El Presidenta for life.
Pass.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:00 am
starboard,im 62 and i fully agree with him.Im tired too and worry a lot where my country is going to, His was the USA and my worry is NZ, Poor lazy tossers, rich troughers we have them all, you watch,the piss poor weak juges will let the looters of with a slap with a wet bus ticket, and lets not talk about those that we elect, the hones ,the chris carters , the pansy wongs TROUGHING UP, they are right down there with car/real estate sales men. SIGH
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Yeah ok we got it toad, conservatives evil, watermellon communists good and screw the voters who are not fit to decide for themselves.
Thanks for the update.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:05 am
person named toad..
see paragraph 2 @9.43am.
for you and your ilk.
Kind regards,
Jono
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Only the date changes starbord, never the message.
SSDD
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Toad is worried, Toad can see the end of the Green movement all over the world.
It cannot come soon enough.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:20 am
But Big bruv, if the green movement ditched the radical socialism, would it be so bad?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Yes.
They’re not about the environment, they’re about social engineering and tellign other people what to do.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Shunda
What do they have without radical socialism, the rest is bullshit, the rest they only talk about and have no intention of ever delivering on.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Yes Murray, but being a Blue party rather than a Green party doesn’t seem to make much difference to a politician’s wish to tell everyone what to do.
Case in point, JK’s “good friend” David Cameron. He, apparently, doesn’t think it’s right to hold a referendum on Europe if it’s not going to deliver the result he wants. What an utter 20 demerit descriptor he is.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:37 am
@Shunda barunda 10:20 am
Hell, Shunda, where’s the “radical socialism” apart from in bruv’s and Murray’s heads?
Green social and economic policy looks very similar to that of many moderate social democratic parties of yesteryear, modified to ensure envirnmental sustainability, and quite unlike anything that could be described as “radical socialism”.
I know the likes of bruv and Murray get all excited about standards for shower heads and light bulbs, but is removing peoples choice to use energy inefficient appliances really the end of the world as the capitalists know it?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:40 am
There are a lot of people that have more moderate social views that also have an environmental conscience, many of them probably don’t vote green though.
Vote:I guess there is some evidence of the Greens moving away from the more extreme end of the spectrum, though I still find some of their ideas very hard to accept.
But unless the larger parties take on a more serious approach to the environment and sustainability I think the greens will be here to stay.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Toad, the anti smacking thing hurt the Greens real bad, and many would suggest (BJ) over a complete non issue.
Vote:That sort of social policy is radical, it has nothing to do with the environmental issues facing our nation yet a massive amount of political capital and credibility was blown away by one stubborn stand on an issue which is the epitome of extreme left wing activism the world over.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Who advised Poor Phil to stand lamely next to Helen while she did all the talking. How nice she flew in to state the flipping obvious. Noticed both of them have bad dye jobs. Is there something about Labour and the quest for eternal youth?
Am not keen on the tripling of the EQC levy on insured property owners. Of course it has to rise but the burden should be spread more widely across the whole population. Property owners already shell out far too much in extortionate rates and the insured always end up assisting those too lazy or greedy to take out their own insurance.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:52 am
James arguing against John Key is not a case FOR greens.
If you’ve ever done any selling or marketing you know you will never make your product look better by slanging the oppositions. You jst make both look crap and the buyer not want either. I’m one of those who don’t want either but if given the choice between the greens and National is a slam dunk no brainer.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Murray – selling is all I’ve done for the last 20 years…and one thing I do know is that people who buy a product under false pretences don’t come back and buy again.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:59 am
What is it with newstalkZB, they seem to reinvent words? funganui twopoo, chila now in the weekend a track meeting in the Wellington suburb (Newtin)???, not Newtown where i work ,even my wife said the newsroom is getting stranger,(newtin) ????
Vote:Wanganui is now called Fonganui Funganui fungenui,it depends on what maori courses, the plebe newsreaders anf what tribe was teaching,
February 28th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Then you should know that running down one is crap way to sell another one.
And people are not buying greens this week. They got burned the last time thry tried them.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 11:17 am
I need to vent my frustration here! Follow my story….
I have (had) a business here in Christchurch. Haven’t had time to sort out our own damage as we are flat out looking after 50 rescue workers in our accommodation.
We have no income now though will get accom costs from civil defense at some later date.
A beneficiary is staying here at the moment. (rent free – bill free.) She is a solo mum to a 5 year old.
The other day she phoned WINZ lied to them, came up with a story, they put an EXTRA $800 in her account yesterday. She has told me that she intends to try and hit them for another $800 today so she can have a bit of a holiday (Holiday? From what? She’s never worked.)
So me, with no cash flow and trying to provide for 50 others and having my own 3 school aged children for the first time in my life I phoned WINZ to see if I could get not a cash handout, but just a temporary loan to buy food for the family.
No I was told. I need to be on the benefit first! So it appeared that I have to be a previous regular bludger to qualify to bludge some more. So if on benefit with 1 child = $800 (possibly $1600) and lifelong taxpayer needing short term loan for food for 3 kids $zero.
I saw an article in the news yesterday about how ‘everyone is rolling up their sleeves and pitching in’ Well no, not quite! Those who never did any work before the earthquake are doing more of the same! My wife and I are working 18 hour days at the moment just trying to get things shipshape. I asked this girls father if she could help out (being as she is staying rent free at our place) He said no, ‘because she doesn’t get out of bed before 4pm.) After 4pm it’s onto the Playstation…
This is not isolated. I have other ‘beneficiaries’ telling me how they are getting FREE money just for asking.
I wonder how many more in Christchurch are doing the same? It’s not like they need the extra money as the ones who are telling me about the ‘FREE’ money didn’t have any damage or loss to start with. Today housing NZ customers will not have to pay rent for a month (will probably still claim their housing supplement though.) Would be nice if as a hardworking taxpayer and ratepayer I could be relieved of the burden of rent for a month.
I guess I will still have to keep paying all these taxes, let my business collapse, my home is in ruins, and my children starve because I need to help build up the stock of FREE Money to be given to people who don’t need it in the first place..
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Toad
“I know the likes of bruv and Murray get all excited about standards for shower heads and light bulbs, but is removing peoples choice to use energy inefficient appliances really the end of the world as the capitalists know it?”
Toad demonstrates (again) why the Greens are so dangerous, he would have you believe that the only thing the Greens want to control in our lives is our appliances, of course this is a blatant lie.
Given the chance the Greens would control our travel, how we travelled, what we said, how we say it, how much we can earn and how much we can spend.
They would totally change our education system, no other view apart from the politically correct view would be taught, the nations dominant culture would be slowly phased out in favour of a prehistoric one, English would be considered the second language of NZ and all school kids would be forced to learn the irrelevant Maori language.
Our economy would grind to a halt, regulations would hamper anything you wanted to do, somebody in Twisel could object to you chopping down a tree in Otaki, criminals would be wandering our streets, drugs would be legalised and partial birth abortions would be freely available.
There is a simple rule when dealing with the Greens, never believe anything they say and question everything they do.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Yes Murray, a basic tenet of professional sales however 1) Politics is not like professional sales and seems to be the one arena where it’s perfectly ok to slag off one’s competition and 2) I’m not selling either the Nats or the Greens.
There are a myriad of reasons to slag off the Greens*, it just seems to me that their “just wanting to tell everyone what to do” is not a particularly good one as it doesn’t exactly distinguish them from any other party except the Libz.
*My personal favourite being their plea to “listen to the scientists” over Global Warming, whilst simultaneously being anti-science on just about any other subject you care to mention.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 11:30 am
I see the witch has returned, perhaps Shonkey can hit her up for a few billion, it’s not like the UNDP would miss it. A few billion more missing would hardly raise any eyebrows.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 11:32 am
ssb – I was wondering about all the money that she sent UN-wards to buy that job for herself in the first place. How do we get it back?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Let him talk BB, it reminds everyone that the greens think they have a RIGHT to dictate to people at every level, right down to light bulbs.
James labour went hard negative in the last election. The results seem to indicate a no sale.
Once again chosing national is not a vote for national, itas a vote against the greens and labour. You haven’t said anythign change my mind. Seems your slanging key was a no sale.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Tookinator
That story is enough to make my blood boil, you should ring WINZ and dob the maggot in.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Murray, Murray, Murray…you really need to chill out a bit old son. I don’t get why you’re having a go at me for “slanging” Key when it appears you’re only voting for him as a “least worst” option…a conclusion I entirely agree with, even if I’m likely to still vote ACT for the same reasons.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Why are you assuming I voted him?
I’m simply pointing out your methodolgy is flawed as demonstrated by a negative result.
Repeating the same action and expeting a different result is defined as what? Ask toad, its all he knows.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Sneaky purvey advertising in NZ
http://gizmodo.com/#!5771647/how-to-piss-people-off-with-an-advertisement-in-one-easy-step
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
@Tookinator 11:17 am
First of all well done for all your hard work, a true Kiwi trooper! Secondly tell the stupid bludging parasite that you will now be charging her rent $400 a week, sounds fair for room and board given she has no other expenses. If she doesn’t want to pay anything she can work it off at the (net) minimum wage equivalent. Failing that tell her to foxtrot oscar.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Why did I assume that? Probably because you said:
Methodology? Negative result? All I said was
Vote:that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovathere are better criticisms of the Greens than those which can be applied equally to all politicians. Sheesh.February 28th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
It’s amazing what gets picked up in the world media. This article at the Daily Mail is about Rangiora resident, 16 year old Amy Knowles, who taunts Christchurch quake survivors on her facebook page:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361153/New-Zealand-earthquake-Teenager-sparks-outrage-taunting-quake-survivors-Facebook.html
It seems they picked it up from a Herald story.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
RN – maybe Tookinator’s situation as it relates to his bludging resident could do with similar levels of publicity.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
A hacker, trying to pass a journalist from the Herald, writes at her usual low level:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10709148
Tapu Misa: Beneficiaries easy target for cattle prod
A friend suggests I throw reason out the door the next time I’m arguing with my husband, and just use this line: “I’m not saying it’s your fault. I’m just saying I’m blaming you.”
Maybe the Welfare Working Group has been reading the same website as my friend. Its final report is underpinned by the same message: We’re not saying it’s your fault you can’t get a job. We’re just saying you’re a malingering freeloader who’s not trying hard enough.
So I’m not saying the group is heartless, I’m just saying that some of its proposals lack a heartbeat.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
adze, I’d have dobbed the parasite in already if I was Tookinator. What she’s done is morally equivalent to looting.
Vote:I’m all for a campaign of naming and shaming, let us know who the scum are among us.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Tookinator:
Have you considered charging her a one off Boarding fee of $800?
Really its fundamentally wrong. Welfare is for THOSE IN NEED FFS!
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
How the media covers science, a pictorial explanation:
Vote:http://lh5.ggpht.com/_IJMAees8DlY/TWlDCem22xI/AAAAAAAAA2s/yTuvUIQq4Pg/s1600-h/Joke_Science%20reporting6.jpg
February 28th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
tookinator
Commiserations on your predicament and good for you looking after real heroes.You too are heroes .
You need to take that story to your MP and let them know that that’s where our taxes are going and ask ‘em ,what are they doing about it?
Any National researchers or journalists reading here? Get onto this. It’s another form of looting.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
@Manolo
Good grief
Tapu Misa is a far left shit stirrer
I go out of my way to avoid reading anything she writes as I KNOW it will piss me off.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Further indications Ken Ring is easily confused?
Was it always going to be a curtain raiser or not?
I think he’s saying that fault lines are just an end result of earthquakes, not plate boundaries and related stress lines. By that logic an earthquake could occur anywhere regardless of plate tectonics.
I think Ring should stick to weather forecasts, which are as inaccurate but less consequential – carrying an umbrella is a bit easier than avoiding an earthquake.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
The price to pay for snuggling up to an unpopular Tory (Fianna Fail) led government that is rightly blamed for the financial deregulation that has led to Ireland’s current economic woes.
Toad, when you make an asumption, you typically end up looking like an ass.
“Historically Fianna Fáil has been seen as to the left of Fine Gael and to the right of the Labour Party. However Fianna Fáil has been categorised as being left wing and has led governments including parties of the left (Labour Party and Green Party).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fianna_F%C3%A1il
The “Tories” of the Irish political scene are quite clearly Fine Gael:
“Fine Gael is generally seen as more to the political right than its major rival Fianna Fáil[2] but has never been in power without the centre-left Labour Party. Fine Gael is variously described as a centre-right[9][10] [3] or centrist[4][11] party, though it describes itself as a “party of the progressive centre”.[12] The party lists its core values as equality of opportunity, fiscal rectitude, free enterprise and reward, individual rights and responsibilities.[13]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Gael
Oh shit! Would ya look at that, the party that stands for free enterprise & individual rights won!!!!!
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Tookinator 11:17 am My commiserations. Contact your MP, and dob her in. The welfare problem Western countries have is the down side of seventy plus years of socialisim, and relativisim.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
According to the papers the greens have lost all their seats and have been completely chucked out of the Irish parliament. no seats, none zip nada nothing.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Bevan 1:51 Thanks for that info. My knowlege of politics in Eire has just increased by 100%. I pay far more attention to politics in NZ, and the US.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
@Bevan 1:51 pm
Historically, you are correct. But it was Fianna Fáil which has behaved like your typical Tory party in recent years, ushering in the Irish Neo-Lib revolution.
A bit like the 1984-90 Labour Government here, which implemented policies far to the right of anything National had ever done, despite National being widely perceived as the “Tory” party.
Also, as you quote, when Fine Gael has been in power it has always been in coalition with the Irish Labour Party which has acted as a restraint on Fine Gael’s tendency to the right.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
alex Masterly 1:55pm. Thanks for that little ray of sunshine. Hopefully a similar fate awaits the Watermelons here on election day.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Here we go again….
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/4713384/Two-mums-better-than-one
I do not care what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom but to suggest that Lesbian parents are better than heterosexual parents is rubbish.
This is simply another attack on men, another attempt by radical lesbian feminists to paint men as evil.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Toad>despite National being widely perceived as the “Tory” party
Widely? I doubt it and have never seen the idea promoted by anyone who wasn’t feeble witted. Wikipedia defines Tory as “a traditionalist and conservative political philosophy which grew out of the Cavalier faction in the Wars of the Three Kingdoms”. Only the conservative tag applies to National, and then only to some National members. I’ve never heard of anyone in National referring to the Cavaliers, and the Wikipedia article doesn’t mention New Zealand or the National Party once.
It’s about as sensible as saying that the NZ Greens are widely perceived as branches of the Libyan Revolutionary Committees on basis that you share the colour green.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
@Bevan 1:51 pm
Oh give it up Toad – your constant tiresome meme to justify any derogatory term you use against your political opponents is no more than a sad reflection on yourself. Face it, you’re always eager to denigrate ANYONE remotely right as centre, with terms such as “far right” and “tory”.
Also, as you quote, when Fine Gael has been in power it has always been in coalition with the Irish Labour Party which has acted as a restraint on Fine Gael’s tendency to the right.
Really? To me it looks like the Irish have two parties full of mature adults who are willing to put aside entrenched positions and bottom lines in order to represent the Irish people. – like the current coalition between National and the Maori Party, their MP’s consider themselves more mature than your average Green MP it seems.
Case in point – The Greens will never get the ETS they want and dream about, but they may have achieved an ETS closer to the one they want if they choose to be constructive and enter into negotiation with National instead of retreating to an anti-national position.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
davidp, thats because Toad only wants to denigrate National as Tory. He doesnt give a toss if there is an iota of fact to the comparison, much like when him and his ilk repeat the label of the Act party as Far Right in the hope of others drawing comparisons to some of the more disgusting regimes in the worlds history. Its a disgusting form of debating which him and all members of the Green Party are guilty of.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
As I understand modern Irish political parties, they have their basis in the attitude of members of the Dáil in the vote on the Anglo-Irish Treaty on 7 January 1922.
Fine Gael origins lie with the pro-Treaty side in the Irish Civil War, identifying in particular Michael Collins. Fianna Fáil is associated with the anti-Treaty side and Éamon de Valera.
To quote Wiki:
“On a vote of 64 to 57, the Dáil narrowly passed the Anglo-Irish Treaty on 7 January 1922. Under the leadership of Michael Collins and Arthur Griffith it set about establishing the Irish Free State, a national, fully re-organised army from the IRA and a new police force, the Civic Guard (soon renamed the Garda Síochána) which replaced one of Ireland’s two police forces, the Royal Irish Constabulary. The second, the Dublin Metropolitan Police merged some years later with the Garda.
“However a minority led by Éamon de Valera opposed the Treaty, on the grounds that it did not create a fully independent state, or a republic, that it imposed a declaration of fidelity to the British monarch on Irish parliamentarians and that it provided for the partition of the island. De Valera led his supporters out of the Dáil and a bloody civil war, between pro and anti-treaty sides, followed; only coming to an end in 1923. The civil war cost more lives than the Anglo-Irish War that preceded it and left divisions that are still felt in Irish politics today.”
My main point being that Irish political parties are unique and applying New Zealandesque labels to them doesn’t work.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Manolo I live in Auckland and begrudgingly read the Herald. In my circles Tapu Misa is a joke. Her articles are so far left they are bordering on extremism. Did you see the one she wrote about that ‘sweet kid’ BJ Kurariki?? Apparently he is the victim of evil Colonial oppression and never stood a chance in the White man’s world…..
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Tookinator:
Surely you’d be eligible for a benefit, not having – nor likely to have in the forseeable future – an income. If their argument is “you’ll get some money eventually” then the correct procedure is to help you now, have you declare income later, and make any adjustment then.
This isn’t a time for “I don’t want to be a beneficiary” pride, if that’s what’s holding you back. No one – or at least no one in their right mind – would think any the less of you for applying.
But your plight highlights a wider flaw in welfare laws. When I was dumped on the streets of Perth with $110 in my pocket, no family, no friends, no home, I went to Centrelink (Australia’s WINZ). Thanks to Helen Clark having signed a deal with the Tories I was rendered ineligible for a permanent benefit no matter how long I live here and how much I pay in taxes (thanks, Helen. Hope the pat on the head it earned you from John Howard was worth it).
But that also meant I was ineligible for the emergency payment everyone released from prison gets – $250. Even if you’re a serial killer or a multiple rapist you get your $250. But not if you’re not eligible for a permanent benefit.
One would assume that in a first world country in the 21st century there’d be an emergency safety net for someone in trouble. Even if – in the case of foreigners – it was recoverable (from the person and, failing that, their government) so as not to burden the taxpayer.
But no, as you point out unless you’re intending to give up altogether and rely completely on others, there’s no help to just keep you propped up in the short term. It’s something we need to address because sadly this won’t be our last natural disaster and more people will find themselves in your situation at some time in the future.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
big bruv says:
Actually I read the headline and took it to be yet another attack on solo parents, based on some statistics. But there’s no statistics. No facts. Nothing on which to build a legitimate news story.
It uses a Hollywood movie and three (out of how many hundred?) sets of lesbian parents to make a point that… well I’m not even sure of the point. That having two parents, even if both are lesbian, is better than having one? Bullshit… it depends on the calibre of the parent(s) though of course two incomes is going to give them an advantage. That two lesbians are better than a heterosexual couple (or, presumably, two gay men). Again, bullshit, for the same reason.
But none of this is explained, let alone proven, by that story, which simply has no place in any legitimate news source (which, a cynic might be tempted to say, is why it appears on Stuff).
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm Vote:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Tookinator:
Some aspects of your account puzzle me. How was she able to phone Winz to get the money? I have had experience of Winz and I have never heard of being able to just phone them up and then they put money in your account.
Contrary to popular urban myths it is not easy to get money from them, specially by ‘telling them a big story’ over the phone.
How is she able to live at your place rent-free?
She has a child, yet you say she doesn’t roll out of the pit until 4pm. Where’s the child? Who is looking after it? Does the child go to school? How?
If she is as you say she is, then she needs to get off her arse and help out.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
pete – im shocked. i thought the tax national bought in would solve global warming…
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
John Key really needs to learn to read a speech with emphasis and feeling. Those speech writers who put together a reasonable attempt of a speech obviously mean well but Key stuffs it up by rattling it off at speed. I recall Holyoake, Mulddon, Kirk and Lange had the ability to measure their delivery for affect. It is not difficult, but there goes John Key, head down, reading it and rattling it off, job done. A few media and speech presentation lessons would solve it. Perhaps too the odd well considered adlib would not detract from the solemness of the ocassion. Key does succeed in speaking without notes in Parliament. So when it comes to Pike River and Christchurch why cant he do the same.
As for his speech writer’s statement that it is NZ darkest day, well, I dont know. It was certainly one of our darkest days. What it suggests is that these young communication folk/speech writers have little knowledge of our history and our collective past. The Napier quake in the 1930′s also flattened a city and we lost 256 souls. Tangiwai in 1953 we lost 151. How about Erebus over 257 deaths. Oh yes and while we are about it lets consider WW1. That dreadful day on the Somme in 1916, 600 from the NZ Division lay dead before midday, 1200 wounded and missing, from a division of 6,000 in number. The following year, it was surpassed by Passchendaele. So, ChCH an absolute horror……….one of our darkest days.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
@Tinakori
wow, such nit picking.
JK doesn’t speak as well as you would like.
Re: the darkest day; I think the fact that the huge loss of life AND massive massive property/ livelihood damage probably does it for most.
But I don’t want to nit pick
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
glad ya got that off your chest tina? lol
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Quite agree Lance, it could well do it for most. Doesnt do it for me though. We shouldn’t twink out the disasters of the past simply because a speech writer cannot reach back that far. A dark day certainly.
Look the guy makes a good job of speaking in Parliament, why cant he transfer that skill to the public platform?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Here’s something to cheer us all… people power beats bureaucratic fascism.
Parking N*zi arrives and puts “boot” on woman’s car because “because her permit was on her dashboard, not her windshield” 8-|
Woman says “screw this” and sits in her car for 30 hours so Herr Oberparkingfuhrer can’t get it towed. He also sits and waits .
He gives up. She takes off boot and drives away. Since police say it’s a civil matter she doesn’t face charges.
What sort of pathetic, no-life-outside-his-job parking pipsqueak waits 30 hours to claim his “prize”? Typical of the mentally stunted chip-on-the-shoulder types who typically flock to such positions of minor power, in my experience.
(And yes dime, I too feel better having got that off my chest
)
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
I don’t know whether it is deliberate or not, but the PM’s poor speech-making ability is all part of “Brand Key”. He isn’t a David Lange or a Ronald Reagan or a Winston Churchill, able to turn reading the Income Tax Act into a gripping piece of theatre. He’s just a guy who does stuff. People relate to him because of it. Sure, he could take a few lessons from a speech coach and getting his timing better, but he would not longer be, and be seen to be, John Key, the guy who does stuff.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Watching the awards on ch20 and a person won an award for a movie called INSIDE JOB about the shits that bought this crap that we are going through, HELL the firm that hone key worked(SHIT)dealed in(MERRILL LYNCH),john key dealed deals on our sweat thats not work HONE KEY you have $50000000 from ruining peoples futures HOW MUCH ARE YOU DONATING.NO MILLIONS SO FAR,DONATE MONEY DEALER HONE KEY opps etSCAM are YOU MAKING MONEY,boy did you push it through ,HOW MUCH HAVE YOU MADE SO FAR???
In 1995, he joined Merrill Lynch as head of Asian foreign exchange in Singapore. That same year he was promoted to Merrill’s global head of foreign exchange, based in London, where he may have earned around US$2.25 million a year including bonuses, which is about NZ$5 million at 2001 exchange rates.[3][8] Some co-workers called him “the smiling assassin” for maintaining his usual cheerfulness while sacking dozens (some say hundreds) of staff after heavy losses from the 1998 Russian financial crisis.[4][8] He was a member of the Foreign Exchange Committee of the New York Federal Reserve Bank from 1999 to 2001.[9]
hone key PISS AND WIND and a lot of CASH a grin and STUFF ALL
[DPF: 20 demerits for shouting. Less CAPS]
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Tinakori
“Look the guy makes a good job of speaking in Parliament, why cant he transfer that skill to the public platform?”
That is a reasonable question, like you I also see a big difference between the John Key who speaks in the house and the John Key who speaks in public.
I suspect that this is because he has munters writing his speeches for him, they have never studied his style, they have never bothered to learn that Key speaks at his best when he is given bullet points to work from (this show up best in the house)
A decent speech writer would learn from the way Key speaks in the house and tailor his public speeches to suit his style, there is no doubt that at his best Key is a dynamic speaker, he just needs better material to work with.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
paws
Here is a hint, try using English, you will find that a lot more people will be able to work out what the hell you are on about.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Sorry big bruv are you a new NZr, there are books you can read, are you a new immigrant are you a BLUDGER, you sound foreign gaddaffi hes a big bruv, hitler mao,BIG BRUVS whats the idiot that ruining iran, does he post on kiwiblog ,big bruvs,theres been a lot IN THE PAST
big bruv (8,649) Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
paws
Here is a hint, try using English, you will find that a lot more people will be able to work out what the hell you are on about
Vote:i can read BB can you UNDERSTAND
boy can people read on Mr Farrar blog ,wow who could tell, Mr Farrar serves a community service except when big bruv posts
February 28th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Anybody interested in some of the dangers in having an amaturish academic who is really
only interested in domestic social engineering leading the free world and running the worlds
only superpower, Barry, could go to ‘gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com’ and scroll down to
Nial Ferguson interviewed on MSNBC Feb 27. (thats today our time)
Sorry i cant link to it directly for some reason
He sums up Obamas inept foreign policy brilliantly, “I’m not George W Bush. Love me.”
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
bereal:
Here’s another link to the same thing. Haven’t watched it myself (no time today) but Niall Ferguson is brilliant.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
paws (157) Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Watching the awards on ch20 and a person won an award for a movie called INSIDE JOB about the shits that bought this crap that we are going through, HELL the firm that hone key worked(SHIT)dealed in(MERRILL LYNCH),john key dealed deals on our sweat thats not work HONE KEY you have $50000000 from ruining peoples futures HOW MUCH ARE YOU DONATING.NO MILLIONS SO FAR,DONATE MONEY DEALER HONE KEY opps etSCAM are YOU MAKING MONEY,boy did you push it through ,HOW MUCH HAVE YOU MADE SO FAR???
In 1995, he joined Merrill Lynch as head of Asian foreign exchange in Singapore. That same year he was promoted to Merrill’s global head of foreign exchange, based in London, where he may have earned around US$2.25 million a year including bonuses, which is about NZ$5 million at 2001 exchange rates.[3][8] Some co-workers called him “the smiling assassin” for maintaining his usual cheerfulness while sacking dozens (some say hundreds) of staff after heavy losses from the 1998 Russian financial crisis.[4][8] He was a member of the Foreign Exchange Committee of the New York Federal Reserve Bank from 1999 to 2001.[9]
hone key PISS AND WIND and a lot of CASH a grin and STUFF ALL
[DPF: 20 demerits for shouting. Less CAPS]
Vote:WOW we post in libya CAPS BRING DEMERITS, or the truth brings demerits, MR Farrar is free with demerits this month.look whose gone this month, Mr Farrar having a bad hair month ban ban ban ban i notice those who accuse other posters of being druggies or thieves are not demerited , but then its his blog
maybe his hero hone key is worring him. wow 40 demerits the price of free speech, this seems really childish to me ,but hell you are linked to politics,this is right down there with car dealers real estate sellers and massage parlour owners , is there a differance ,i have standards Darn
February 28th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
I like the natural way John Key speaks. Perhaps some people just love performing poodles like glib PR types with soothing elocution. I always look for sincerity and authenticity and that’s he gives us.
Some people’s carping amazes me and you have to wonder if they have ever been constantly in the public eye or had to take responsibility for fronting serious matters or taking important decisions. I doubt it.
If all you can criticise is the way Key speaks then you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. He sounds like a typical Kiwi bloke to me.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Thanks for that Rex, good onya
One of the comments about that great interview on the “gatewaypundit” site included this statistic.
which i have slightly abbreaviated.
Percentage of cabinet appointed by previous presidents who had any experience in the private
sector whatever prior to being appointed.
Eisenhower 57 %
Kennedy 30%
Johnson 47%
Nixon 53%
Ford 42%
Carter 32%
Reagan 56%
GH Bush 51%
Clinton 39%
GW Bush 55%
and, wait for it……
Obama 8%
Any readers care to work out the percentage in Helen Clarks last cabinet
Vote:or John Keys ?
February 28th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Bereal’s 5.01pm comment set me thinking. Could it be that indirectly the right of centre voters throughout the world are responsible for many of the ills facing the world today. Everytime we pick some no hoper to lead us & the floating voters rebel we end up with something the left have scraped off the floor. Eg
1) John Banks’ smarmy arrogance lets Len Brown through.
2) Shipley precedes Dear Leader.
3) Eight years of the ‘aw shucks’ halfwit Bush & the USA have had enough….. now they have the magic Kenyan.
It wouldn’t be hard to find other examples but the Right have a great responsibility to choose their leaders well – we owe it to the world.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
If all you can criticise is the way Key speaks then you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. He sounds like a typical Kiwi bloke to me.
Vote:Yep he sounded that way when he gave 100 fellow troughers the flick at merrill lynch (sorry bros im a typical nz i shaft to get my millions) and i smile.( no caps were injured in posting this)
February 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Methinks paws is standing in for philu while he is out looking for work
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Hey Frogboy, Fine Gael campaigned on “smaller, better government.” Don’t think the eco-socialist dream you long for will be revived under the new government.
Hopefully the nutjobs your lot have in parliament suffer the same fate this year.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
does anyone elses skin crawl when they hear phil goff say “kiwis”? or is it just me?
i see hillary barry is on the front page of the womans weekly… she turning a profit from this tragedy or donating the fee?? or has she just had a “miracle baby”?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
georgebolwig
“Key… is a guy who does stuff…..”
I think that’s the problem. Alot of people hoped he would but I haven’t seen alot of stuff done.
He wants to stay popular and get re elected ,fair enough, but there’s got to be more to it than simply not being Helen Clark.
Irish politics. Both FF and FG are right wing parties in the traditional sense of the word. Both would be akin to National.
This election represents a punishment to the FF party that have ruled for some time and the Greens who shored them up this last while.
There has actually been a big swing to the left there. Sinn Fein have picked up lots of seats. They were once committed to overthrowing the Irish state (may still be)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0227/breaking2.html?via=mr
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Hi Lance, get real, there is no way on earth philu is out looking for work.
After 15 odd years sitting on your arse smoking dope everyday you become institutionalised.
Never going to happen,
he may shift to the sickness or unemployment benny when his 16 years are up. but that will be it.
paws, i dont think you understand dear, people who work in the private sector are not troughers,
Vote:troughers are the ones with their noses in our (taxpayers) money. And taking more than they deserve.
The other truth that escapes you is that with the normal cycle buisness expands and contracts,
the people Key had to fire would be aware of that and went on to careers with other entities.
Nobody wants to fire any productive employee.
Wake up dear, get the chip off your shoulder, dont be so bitter.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
kowtow – i reckon if you had a beer with JK, you would find he would like to do a lot of things. im sure its all part of his strategy. it sucks cause we have to wait, but NZ was dragged so far to the left, it takes time for the public to accept change.
hell, the media and lefties go apeshit at partial asset sales still.. even though communist countries do it.
sums us up really. we are stil a left leaning nation.
our arrogance doesnt help either.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
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Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
paws, i dont think you understand dear, people who work in the private sector are not troughers,
Vote:troughers are the ones with their noses in our (taxpayers) money. And taking more than they deserve.
The other truth that escapes you is that with the normal cycle *buisness expands and contracts,
the people Key had to fire would be aware of that and went on to careers with other entities.
Nobody wants to fire any productive employee.
Wake up dear, get the chip off your shoulder, dont be so bitter.
paws, i dont think you understand dear, people who work in the private sector are not troughers,
troughers are the ones with their noses in our (taxpayers) money. And taking more than they deserve.
The other truth that escapes you is that with the normal cycle buisness expands and contracts,
the people Key had to fire would be aware of that and went on to careers with other entities.
Nobody wants to fire any productive employee.
Wake up dear, get the chip off your shoulder, dont be so bitter.
*business, sorry im called an idiot often, use spell check,whats with the queens speech
Umm i work in the private sector, im not philu,im old but im not a old trougher national MP, or a coat tail hanger on wanting to be one
February 28th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
dime. yes hearing the term ‘Kiwis’ from Goff is grating. Over and over.
Vote:He got that directly from Dear Leader Helen. She used it incessantly when speaking in parliament.
It pissed me off so much that when Key was in opposition i wrote to him and sugested he start
using it just as often so that she couldnt coin it for herself .
Phil- in has picked up a few things in his, what, 40 odd plus years apprenticeship.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
paws,
Vote:thanks for drawing attention to the typo. Big point for you, in your mind.
Thanks for explaining all the things you are not. But you are a joke darling.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
@paws
“not a old trougher”
It is always “an” when the next word starts with a vowel.
You will never get a job with JK with your comprehension skills.
We know that you envy the man but you will have to brush yours skills if you wish to aspire to his status.
Keep trying though.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
paws
How ever did you get to be “old” when you have never stopped for a breath?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
While we’re being pedantic…
*business, sorry im called an idiot often, use spell check,whats with the queens speech
[*business,] sorry, *I’m called an idiot often, use spell check,*[space] *what’s with the *Queen*’s speech
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
/predicting inevitable response…
No, you weren’t being ironic
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Just been reminded why I don’t watch Campbell Live.
Johns interviewing is revealing, mainly about his bias and inability to process a differing point of view.
Hey wasn’t Ken Ring one of those evil Man Made Climate Change deniers too? !!
Interesting how the Geological study guy said they don’t consider the Moon in their studies. So then how is he qualified to comment on Kens theory?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Hey luc – nasa has a solution to your global warming problem!!!!!
“After a regional nuclear war, though, average global temperatures would drop by 2.25 degrees F (1.25 degrees C) for two to three years afterward, the models suggest.”
Sweet!
There will also be disease and famine.. but thats all good. we need to thin our own ranks right?? if we could just limit the deaths to evil white people…
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
God if you lot got together,what a blast,like a party with no booze, hell dont worry Mr Farrar will demerite me away soon
Vote:( he dosnt want uneducated waka rockers on his blog) so you boring souls should whine and get your insults in ,as if im worried, hell im learning off you educated souls(no caps or neutrons were upset in this post).HELL Mr Farrar i have stopped five right wing whinners moaning about the poor ungratefull plebes they are focusing on me and they are abusing me, ,thats got to be better than a poor bottle of whine, ps any demerits for them OHH silly me you dont do you
February 28th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
paws – youre like the anti-phil! still hard to read though.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Sparkyspitz, the Geonet guy said studies had been done that have shown the moon could be a factor with smaller earthquakes but not with larger ones. He’s probably got quite a few qualifications on the subject – which is something Ring doesn’t have it you think that’s important.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
I dont inspire to be hone key im happy to be myself, at least i sleep straight in a bed, i voted for him before i saw through him.Hone key at the time was the best of a bad bunch, i will never vote again, so then i will not feel betrayed , like that old soul in the Sunday Star Times whose supported the NATS since time begain, and who hone key fobbed of, over the sea bed act.That old nat supporter is like me, we know candy floss when we see it.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Paws
If we us lot got together it would be a hoot, right now would provide the booze (home brew) and Dime would bring the hookers, what a party it would be.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Tinakori (61) Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Well said Tinakori. Agree with everything.
God if you lot got together,what a blast,like a party with no booze, hell dont worry Mr Farrar will demerite me away soon
( he dosnt want uneducated waka rockers on his blog)
paws, you’re an idiot. You’re a fucking moron. Not once in your short yet lamentable KiwiBlog history have you ever said something original or thought-provoking.
Unlike toad, BTW.
So if you really have to be a lefty, why do you have to be a moronic one? Have mercy paws. Either say something sensible – anything will do – or just shut up and fuck off. Remember: it’s not cause you’re a lefty, it’s cause you’re a fucking moron, and we already have one of those, and he’s on holiday right now, so the adults are trying to talk. Have mercy paws.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
P.S. paws, the key is, say something astute about some lefty angle; like Hone/McCarten/Bradford or something else and we’ll respond. If ya just wheel out the lefty memes, which of us, politicos all, do you think hasn’t already heard or thought about them, in detail? Remember where you are.
So paws, pray tell. Which way shall you respond?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
On the topic of crap opinion writers in the Hooeruld, did anyone see that bedwetting author cry about Whitcoulls not putting his crap books in a prominent place and that’s why he doesn’t care if they’ll go under?
Maybe he should learn that more people would rather buy Dan Brown or calenders than whatever abstract shite Graham Hay or whatever his name is has pumped out. Supply and demand or popularity in a physical setting where space is at a premium or whatever. It’s basic stuff.
Honestly, what is it with these artsy types and being complete berks?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Hurf
“Honestly, what is it with these artsy types and being complete berks?”
Dead bloody right!, if I was PM for a day and could choose one department that I could slash funding for it would be a bloody hard call to make, I would be divided between gutting WINZ or gutting funding for “the arts”.
I suspect it would be “the arts” that got the chop, it could be argued that some (about 10%) of what WINZ does is good, however it is impossible to argue that “the arts” has any value at all.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Why don’t you guys like art. Doesn’t it do something for your soul?
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
I think a viable idea would be for the govt to underwrite the country-wide tours of many overseas fine-art collections of many genres, all proceeds going to ChCh. A win-win-win.
Esp doing it during the RWC. Agree it’s not the usual crowd.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Re Campbell and Ring interview.
I don’t like Camp but he was downright rude to his guest. Trying to champion ChCH people.He’s a real hero…..not.
Even the Geo guy conceded the moon can effect small quakes. Well if small why not big?
Tectonics is a new science and we can thank the US navy for it. Had to map the ocean floor to beat the Soviets in submarine warfare.
Camp pretending to be a champion of science! No doubt he’ll be a “believer” in the “science ” of global warming. Tosser.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Ken Ring and this guy need to talk.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Bloody hard slot to choose between at 7 in the PM, both presenters are tossers….
How in earth can the dude on Closer still be hosting the show?
Camp from what I hear this evening a complete rude twat, not the first time, he just makes my skin crawl…
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
It would help if I had a soul, reid.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
“Why don’t you guys like art. Doesn’t it do something for your soul?”
No.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
The best piece of art I ever saw was a piece of rope standing up like a cobra and I wish I’d bought it but I didn’t.
I’m quite glad I didn’t now cause it would’ve cost about $3,300 when I was a student and I too wonder if that’s when I also lost my soul somewhere somewho.
It was shiny as well.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Right Pete, those studies were done 100 years ago. And passion, curiosity, the power of observation count only when backed up by a University degree?
Oh the comments on the TV3 website do give me more than hope for humanity. No wonder the powers that were are doing all they can to cling to what is left of the crumbling power structure.
GNS guy said ocean tides can’t influence large earthquakes, but what about the tides of molten rock under the earths crust? Before you answer that Pete I want to know if you have appropriate degrees to be forming any kind of opinion…
And GNS guy said that the work that they do, they don’t include the Moon in their science, which to me means they don’t look at that possibility, not in their science.
Vote:February 28th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
passion, curiosity, the power of observation count only when backed up by a University degree
sparky been to a hospital lately?
Seriously, history shows professional people often can’t or refuse to ever look beyond their own domain but also that’s often where the great discoveries lie.
Vote:March 1st, 2011 at 5:21 am
Who says so? Alongside science I love paintings, sculptures, and above all classical music.
Vote:Visiting a good museum, not the rubbbish Te Papa is, is a true gift to the soul and the best thing one can do.