General Debate 2 February 2011

February 2nd, 2011 at 8:00 am by David Farrar
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  1. cha (4,081 comments) says:

    Eygpt’s economic tragedy in three simple charts.

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  2. KiwiGreg (3,259 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4606012/Childrens-chief-flies-to-work-on-our-taxes

    Seriously – we have a Walking Access Commission? Easiest way to save money is just to get rid of all these outfits.

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  3. Paul Marsden (999 comments) says:

    Tax his land,
    Tax his bed,
    Tax the table
    At which he’s fed.

    Tax his work,
    Tax his pay,
    He works for peanuts
    Anyway!

    Tax his cow,
    Tax his goat,
    Tax his pants,
    Tax his coat.

    Tax his tobacco,
    Tax his drink,
    Tax him if he
    Tries to think..

    Tax his car,
    Tax his gas,
    Find other ways
    To tax his ass.

    Tax all he has
    Then let him know
    That you won’t be done
    Till he has no dough.

    When he screams and hollers;
    Then tax him some more,
    Tax him till
    He’s good and sore.

    Then tax his coffin,
    Tax his grave,
    Tax the sod in
    Which he’s laid.

    When he’s gone,
    Do not relax,
    Its time to apply
    The inheritance tax.

    Accounts Receivable Tax
    Airline surcharge tax
    Airline Fuel Tax
    Airport Maintenance Tax
    Building Permit Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Death Tax
    Dog License Tax
    Driving Permit Tax
    Environmental Tax (Fee)
    Excise Taxes
    Local Body Tax
    Unemployment (UI)
    Fishing License Tax
    Food License Tax
    Gasoline Tax (too much per litre)
    Gross Receipts Tax
    Health Tax
    Hunting License Tax
    Hydro Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    Interest Tax
    Liquor Tax
    Luxury Taxes
    Marriage License Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Mortgage Tax
    Personal Income Tax
    Property Tax
    Poverty Tax
    Prescription Drug Tax
    Provincial Income and sales tax
    Real Estate Tax
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    Retail Sales Tax
    Service Charge Tax
    School Tax
    Telephone Tax
    Telephone , Provincial and Local Surcharge Taxes
    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
    Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Water Tax
    Watercraft Registration Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax
    — and in 2010

    Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was one of the
    most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had a large middle class, and
    Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

    What in “Hell” happened?

    Can you smell ‘politicians?’

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  4. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Some racists want to charge for the pleasure. Where is comrade Joris when you need him?

    An internal fight appears to be brewing within the host iwi at Waitangi over demands that media companies pay to be there to cover New Zealand’s national day.

    Ngapuhi is charging $1,000 to allow pakeha media onto the lower marae – the Te Tii marae – even though one of Ngapuhi’s leaders says it goes against the Maori culture of hospitality and constitutes cultural apartheid.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/maori-leader-says-waitangi-charge-akin-apartheid-4011516

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  5. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, Bill English continues this government’s policies of procrastination, delay, and indecision:

    The Government has immediately ruled out one of the savings working group’s proposed tax changes, a further switch from income tax to GST, but another, indexation, remains under consideration.

    It recommends savers be taxed on the real or inflation-adjusted interest income they earn, and that businesses and property investors only be allowed to claim a deduction of the real portion of their interest expense.

    At the moment, with inflation at 4 per cent, someone who is earning 6 per cent on a bank deposit and who has a marginal income tax rate of 33 per cent will get no real return at all.

    The proposal is that a standard inflation rate of, say, 2 per cent, will be set for tax purposes and both taxable interest income and deductible interest expenses be reduced accordingly.

    The working group said it was incongruous that the simplest savings products – bank deposits – faced the highest real effective tax rates.

    Finance Minister Bill English agrees. “If we can do something about that it would be good,” he said. Indexation was an interesting idea, English said. “I wouldn’t rule it out.”

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  6. KiwiGreg (3,259 comments) says:

    @ Paul I’m assuming that’s some US list at it’s not a New Zealand one. Taxes of all descriptions have been around for quite some time. Window tax anybody?

    @ Manolo they should just not show up, seriously who gives a damn what happens at Waitangi?

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  7. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Paul Marsden Well that ten thousand dead we had in WW1 may have had something to do with it, remember Churchill’s onward colonial soldiers ?
    No debt,you are bloody kidding, we owed debt to Britain after WW1 for all that ammunition used by our army .

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  8. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    When the hell did we become an ally of the bloody yanks, Key is ranting that the septics will get our people stuck in Egypt out if needed.
    Yeah sure Key, the yanks may help our people stuck, but not until all their citizens are out.
    Other countries are getting their people out while Key and co sit on their arses doing fuck all.

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  9. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    We had absolutely no national debt, had a large middle class, and
    Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

    That gives away the US origin. What about the widowed Moms? And Moms with useless prick husbands?

    It also ignores a lot of other changes over that time for the “larger middle class”. Healthcare and life expectancy? Living space? Electricity?

    We may be taxed too much but on average we are a long way better off.

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  10. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    http://whoar.co.nz/2011/interview-with-gary-francione/

    “…Francione’s theory is described as the “abolitionist approach.”

    He maintains that we cannot morally justify using animals as human resources – and that we should abolish animal use.

    He opposes efforts to reform or regulate animal use – arguing that they will necessarily provide limited protection to animal interests –

    – because of the status of animals as property.

    He has come out strongly against promoting humane farming, vegetarianism, Proposition 2 in California, the Humane Society of the United States, the boycott of the NFL for allowing Michael Vick on the field –

    – and even PETA’s sexy ads about fur, meat, and other animal uses.

    In short, Francione rejects nearly all of the campaigns promoted by the large animal protection organizations.

    He even believes that Jonathan Safran Foer’s book Eating Animals is hurting, not helping, the cause for animal rights…

    THE BELIEVER: Most animal advocates encourage people to become vegetarians, yet you feel that promoting vegetarianism is a step in the wrong direction for reducing animal exploitation. Why do you feel that way?

    GARY FRANCIONE: There is absolutely no morally defensible distinction between flesh and other animal products, such as milk or cheese.

    Animals used in the dairy industry usually live longer – and are treated as badly if not worse than their meat counterparts –

    – and they all end up in the same slaughterhouse anyway.

    The meat and dairy industries are inextricably intertwined.

    As far as I am concerned, there is more suffering in a glass of milk than in a pound of steak – though I would not consume either.

    Vegetarianism as a moral position is no more coherent than saying that you think it morally wrong to eat meat from a spotted cow –

    – but not morally wrong to eat meat from a non-spotted cow.

    We do not need any animal products for health purposes – and animal agriculture is an ecological disaster.

    The best justification that we have for killing billions of animals every year is that they taste good.

    That simply cannot suffice as a moral justification.

    BLVR: Many animal advocates approve of farms that raise animals in humane ways for consumption.

    Yet I understand you are opposed to these kinds of farms, and even to campaigns that work to improve the lives of animals on factory farms, such as Proposition 2 in California, which prohibits the use of some kinds of battery cages for chickens.

    Why are you opposed to campaigns like these?

    Isn’t it better to at least treat the animals humanely if we are going to use them?

    GF: I think that people who advocate such practices actually do more harm than good –

    – by perpetuating the fantasy that we can somehow tidy up the concentration camps –

    – and make the institutionalized exploitation of sentient beings morally acceptable.

    It is always better to do less harm than more.

    If you are going to murder someone – it’s better not to torture her as well.

    A concentration camp with comfortable beds is better than one without.

    But this approach neglects a fundamental question about the moral legitimacy of the underlying activity of treating animals as human resources.

    For those who support these supposed reforms – the issue is how we use animals;..

    … for me, the issue is that we use animals.

    I am opposed to animal welfare campaigns for two reasons.

    First, if animal use cannot be morally justified, then we ought to be clear about that, and advocate for no use.

    Although rape and child molestation are ubiquitous – we do not have campaigns for “humane” rape – or “humane” child molestation.

    We condemn it all.

    We should do the same with respect to animal exploitation.

    Second, animal welfare reform does not provide significant protection for animal interests.

    Animals are chattel property; … they are economic commodities.

    Given this status and the reality of markets – the level of protection provided by animal welfare will generally be limited to what promotes efficient exploitation.

    That is – we will protect animal interests to the extent that it provides an economic benefit.

    And if you look at the history of animal welfare reform – you will see it fits this model.

    For example, the Humane Slaughter Act of 1958 was nothing more than a recognition that large animals who were not stunned at the moment of slaughter would cause injuries to workers – and incur costly carcass damage.

    The current campaign for gassing chickens is based on the lower costs of gassing over current methods of slaughter;…

    … the campaign to eliminate the gestation crate is based on the increased production efficiency of alternative methods…” (cont..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  11. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    Since when has it been a proper role of govt (and a tax payer liability) to ensure that holidays go well for people?

    Talking of that anyone remember the Australian govt rescuing all those well integrated “Aussies” who once they had their passports went “home” to Lebanon?

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  12. ciaron (1,441 comments) says:

    Since when has it been a proper role of govt (and a tax payer liability) to ensure that holidays go well for people?

    Since we changed the job description to “Nanny”

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  13. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    kowtow things can and will turn to shit at times which is one reasons why we pay taxes to help kiwis in need,.
    Yes I know You ACT party types idea of need is fucking Hide taking a woman on a taxpayer funded holiday to London.

    A kiwi mother and her young girls are stuck in Cairo, they cannot get money from the ATMs for a ticket out of dodge.

    If anything happens to any Kiwi after Key decided there was no need to send the air force over, guess who will be held responsible ?
    And it will fuck both the Nats and ACT.

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  14. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Hello all Kiwibloggers!

    On 31 January 2011 at about 13:30 Queensland time, 16:30 NZ time (in other words, just after lunch where I am) I opened an account with a service provider and also got them to register a domain name on my behalf, taxiprice.co.nz. The reason for this was to provide a service comparing the tariffs for the various taxi companies, initially for Wellington but with a view to eventually include all of New Zealand. The idea came from the comment by DPF at the end of his post about capping taxi numbers in Wellington. I had intended to place advertisments on it using Google Ads to help cover costs.

    At 16:38 I posted on that same thread that I had ordered the domain name and it would be online soon. I also posted a gmail address I created for the purpose.

    According to the domain name registry at 16:51 somebody called David from Flair Web Works Limited registered that domain name before my ISP had a chance to. The Domain Name registry records this company’s address as PO Box 13 768 Christchurch 8141 and the telephone number as +64 3 3651714 and email david@flair.net.nz.

    A search of the Companies Register reveals that the company Flair Web Works Limited was struck off on 10 July 2007. Its address was 8/464 Hagley Ave, Christchurch and the director and sole share holder was David James BRINDLEY, whose address was the same. At first pass it appears that this David Brindley stuffed up when he registered the domain name to his previous company, however there is always a chance that there is some other explanation.

    The same search also revealed a company called FLAIRWEBWORKS.COM Limited, incorporated on 2 May 2008. Its registered address is 105 High St, Oxford, and there are two directors and equal shareholders, David James BRINDLEY and Christine Ruth O’DEA who both have the same address as the company. The house this company is located in is fairly new since it was still under construction when they did Google Streetview. I hope it turned out nice.

    Mr Brindley, your deregistered company can keep the domain name, I don’t really care about it, to me it was only really ever going to be an interesting hobby. The provisional site you have posted there looks really good and you’ll probably do a better job of it anyway, since you’re a graphic designer and I’m a geologist. You only had to ask and I would have let you have it, you didn’t have to pinch it.

    I have posted this freely available information in a convenient format so that the readers of Kiwiblog can decide for themselves what kind of person Mr Brindley is. I have not discovered what his kiwiblog handle is, I really don’t care. If people want to they can probably narrow it down by looking at who commented on the taxi thread around 16:38 and 16:51 on 31 January (hint – use my link above). I hope he considers that I might spend a bit more than ten minutes researching him if he ever steals from or otherwise wrongs me again.

    I also hope he realises that I could have got nasty and registered a company called Flair Web Works Limited (it was struck off so the name is free for the taking) and got control of both flair.net.nz and taxiprice.co.nz, other intellectual property, bank accounts, etc. or at the very least have caused him a considerable legal mess. The fact I haven’t suggests that even though I could have beaten him at his own game, I chose to take the high road and not be vindictive.

    As for me, I have learned a good lesson. Don’t advertise something before it’s been confirmed that it’s actually mine to advertise. Also ensure that you are actually trading as a legal entity and not one that has been struck off for 3 1/2 years. Mr Brindley, I am glad you taught me a lesson over a stupid $40 domain name and not something worth a lot more. Also, if you do end up making a good profit out of taxiprice.co.nz it’d be great if you could send me a bottle of scotch.

    Regards,
    Gary.

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  15. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    Apartheid comes to NZ courts. See the reasons at 5th para from end of the article given by the “learned judge”.

    http://courtnews.co.nz/story.php?id=3358

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  16. Jack5 (5,165 comments) says:

    The Lefties of the MSM are keeping Keith Locke’s position as the most-quoted backbencher – and from an Opposition minority party at at that.

    In today’s Hooer-ald , quoted on a report about the SAS staying in Kabul are our Prime Minister, the Leader of the Opposition, and of course, unelected List MP Locke.

    As the Melon-Green Locke is given space to lambast the West’s presence in Afghanistan, there is, of course, never any mention of once-Stalinist Locke’s infamous past support of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

    It seems that Locke is on RNZ’s Labour Radio news and in the daily print media as often as he wants, and always sounding off a far-left position on a political issue. Did you ever hear or read of him on the environment, which you might expect from a Green MP?

    The link:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10703531

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  17. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    GOH “When the hell did we become an ally of the bloody yanks,”

    10th March 1942. This was six days days after we had asked them for help because Churchill had told us we were on our own and no we could not have our divison back. 10 March was the date the Americans cut the orders for deploying a Marine Division to New Zealand for its protection.

    The 2nd Marine Division put up a placque on the waterfront in Wellington if you’d like to see where they went from here to fight. It also carries the message “If you ever never a friend you have one”. Its obviously a one way deal for tiny brained historically challenged left wing kiwis, but it does deomonstrate our relationship well enough.

    BTW the same sort of kiwi commie waterfront workers were on strike for higher pay when the Marines loaded for Guadalcannal after only six weeks training, so instead of more training they loaded their ow ships while the unionists (who were getting three times what a frontline grunt was getting in North Africa) watched on.

    Glad I could help you out with that one Hori.

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  18. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    She noted that a conviction could stop Gray getting more work when he was reliant on government and local government contacts. A conviction also had serious consequences in the Maori community for someone like Gray who was appointed upoko – the spiritual and cultural repository of knowledge, handpicked from birth.

    She granted the discharge without conviction.

    We could have many potential Dalai Lamas among us. Imagine being chosen from birth!
    Aren’t the natives enlightened or what?

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  19. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    Gazzmaniac, that’s an interesting story.

    But why are you giving up so easy? We’re not in the 1990s any more – most people understand that getting the right domain name isn’t the silver bullet it once was (hint: we now have Google).

    I bet you anything you like that taxiprice.co.nz will come to nothing. People who rush out and cyber-squat a domain name are not the sort of people who have the tenacity to see such a thing though. And he doesn’t look like he has a clue about web design – he’s using tables for layout (also very 1990s)

    So, my advice. Register another domain and make the site good and you could be onto something. Forget about taxiprice.co.nz

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  20. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    malcolm – it’s also partially that I really don’t care. I took it on because I was sitting at work and had nothing to do (rain delays), and the moment has passed because we got evacuated from our site before the cyclone arrives.
    It’s sunny in SE Queensland today, so I’m off to see if I can go fishing today (the surf will be the limiting factor) otherwise I’m off bushwalking.

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  21. Yvette (2,850 comments) says:

    Gazzmaniac – hireinquire, nabafabcab, taximinimaxi

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  22. gravedodger (1,571 comments) says:

    paul m @ 8 28, Jesus wept, I will have to go and lie down as I pay sooo many of them. Almost a fatal blow seeing them all laid out like that.
    Your comment should have had a health warning, enforced by legislation and an appropriate quango staffed by a few failed academics and pollies.

    It appears a “Childrens Commissioner” chooses to live in Central Otago (how bloody nice) and we pay for him to commute to work in Welly !!! FFS

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  23. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    Gazzamaniac – so there you go. You’ve lost nothing. Surely you can get a refund if you didn’t get the domain. If they don’t then you would be better off naming and shaming the domain register rather than Mr Brindley.

    cheers

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  24. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Murray, if you believe Churchill could have forced the NZ Div to do what they did not want to you are bloody dreaming.
    That dumb yank Clark tried that one on with Freyberg when Freyberg wanted the abbey bombed, as Freyberg stated no bombing, no troops, Clark the idiot believed he could have Freyberg fired.

    Murray i’m curious, a relative of mine was part of that patrol when Pvt Manning was killed, you seem to have been suggesting you were on that patrol, were you ?

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  25. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Call him any thing you want, but this parasite is very, very ingenious and creative. Bill Englih could learn from this bugger.

    Governor Brown cites unrest in Egypt to make his case for budget vote.

    Citing the pro-democracy unrest in Egypt and Tunisia, Gov. Jerry Brown called it “unconscionable” that GOP legislators are vowing to block his attempt to ask voters to extend tax hikes to balance the budget.

    “When democratic ideals and calls for the right to vote are stirring the imagination of young people in Egypt and Tunisia and other parts of the world, we in California can’t say now is the time to block a vote of the people,” Brown said in his first State of the State address in nearly 30 years.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2011/01/state-of-the-state-brown-cites-unrest-in-egypt-to-make-his-case-for-budget-vote.html

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  26. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Fascinating. Plagiarism of the highest order.

    A sting operation by Google reveals that Microsoft has been copying results from Google for its Bing search engine.

    The search giant alleges that Microsoft has been using its Internet Explorer web browser and the Bing Search bar to harvest information on Google users, according to a lengthy report by Danny Sullivan at Search Engine Land.

    Amit Singhal, a Google Fellow who oversees the search engine’s ranking algorithm, was crystal clear about the findings.
    “Our testing has concluded that Bing is copying Google web search results,” Singhal said.

    It’s a serious allegation from the world’s most popular search engine.

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/01/microsofts-bing-caught-copying-google-search-results/

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  27. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    Key announcing the election date this afternoon!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10703639

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  28. Lance (2,715 comments) says:

    @goh
    Still doesn’t alter the fact that NZ would have been invaded by the Japs without the Yanks.
    The consequences of which would have been catastrophic for all those resident here.

    I think that makes us an ally and beholden to them. You might not like that but its the truth.

    The only issue is the present status of that relationship.

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  29. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    The more things change, the more they remain the same.

    Public sector bosses revolted over publishing details of their spending, documents reveal.

    The State Services Commission was forced to back down on issuing documents of credit-card receipts and declared gifts every three months after an outcry by public service chiefs. They will now be posted every six months. It also raised the value of gifts to $100.

    Correspondence issued under the Official Information Act shows 13 chief executives wrote to the commission with concerns, while one Crown entity asked to be exempt. A commission spokeswoman said the request was denied but would not name the entity involved. Meanwhile, expenses claimed until December were quietly posted on a website. Agencies had until Monday to comply but not all could be viewed on data.govt.nz because of an uploading backlog.

    State Services head Iain Rennie wrote to 120 chief executives last year after the first release of expenses in August, when many were roasted for lavish spending on hospitality.

    An internal memo revealed 38 agencies replied by the November deadline. Five government departments agreed with the plans, six had minor concerns and two had major concerns. Twelve Crown entities were in favour, three had minor and nine major concerns.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4606086/Revolt-by-state-bosses-on-revealing-spending

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  30. Mr Robert Black (145 comments) says:

    Anyway, I am starting to get a bit tipsy.

    I am cutting out before I start to get stupid and offend someone.

    Happy year of the Rabbit everyone!

    May you all fuck like rabbits in 2011, but remember to wear…nah, fuck it, fuck like rabbits, just make good judgment calls.

    Out.

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  31. Komata (1,202 comments) says:

    Manolo

    Re: Where is comrade Joris when you need him?

    Easy answer – he’s walking with the ‘oppressed indigenous peoples’ – he was after all a political, socialist, (DL) appointment.

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  32. Jack5 (5,165 comments) says:

    The Crown is pursuing the helicopter operating family said to have “stolen” greenstone in the mountains that Ngai Tahu have been given ownership to. The Crown is seeking sale of the family property to pay damages (see link below).

    For justice sake, let someone now tackle Ngai Tahu for millions in unpaid taxes because, being registered as a group charity, its businesses are exempted from paying them.

    http://courtnews.co.nz/story.php?id=3362

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  33. starboard (2,551 comments) says:

    Ngapuhi is charging $1,000 to allow pakeha media onto the lower marae – the Te Tii marae .

    …racist fucks. So if you are brown media you dont have to pay? Un-fucking-believable. NZ is a fucking joke. Wheres the outcry sheeple? Nah, thought not.

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  34. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    I look forward to the day when a restaurant owner trebles his prices for any Maori customer. Could you imagine the public outrage, the cries of despair, and the calls for the head of the racist?

    Comrade Joris would be foaming at the mouth.

    The brown elite can get away with blue murder in today’s politically correct and emasculated New Zealand.

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  35. starboard (2,551 comments) says:

    I wouldnt celebrate waitangi day if you gave me a million bucks. What is there exactly to celebrate? Brown man shafting white man til the cows come home? Pffft. I’ll be mowing the lawns and weeding the garden. I wont be watching the 6 o’clock news.

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  36. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    If the media organisations don’t pay and just go away, there will be no stage for racist pricks to protest on, and Waitangi Day can become a national day of celebration like Australia Day is on 26 January.

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  37. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    “I wouldnt celebrate waitangi day if you gave me a million bucks. What is there exactly to celebrate? ”
    Well for me it’s when 27 litres of home-brew is ready. Damn straight I’ll be celebrating.

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  38. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Here is an IQ test question.

    For all Kiwis to consider.
    With regard to recent immigrants to New Zealand.

    Pick the odd one out ?

    Yugoslav, Dutch, British, Chinese, Phillipino, Australian, Korean, Indian, Taiwanese, Pakistani,
    Fijian, Indian, Russian, Iranian, South African, Muslim.

    Which is the odd one out, and why ?

    Future generations of all New Zealanders, Maori and all who have come here to work together
    and help build a great country and to become Kiwis will thank us if we can have this discussion
    now in 2011 before its too late.

    Lets have the guts now.
    If, political correct reasons prevent us even discussing this issue then we will have missed
    our one chance.

    There are probably two sides, but at least lets have the discussion.

    Soon it will be too late.

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  39. RichardX (329 comments) says:

    bereal, There are a couple of oddities in your list. One is no longer a country, while another is a religion….but I guess your point is about religion

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  40. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Hallelujah, comrade Boris has spoken:

    Race Relations Commissioner Mr de Bres said the decision to charge for access to Te Tii Marae did not help race relations. But it was unlikely to be unlawful as the marae is not subject to the discrimination provisions set out in the Human Rights Act, he said.

    “I consider the practice to be ill-advised and not conducive to harmonious race relations. Generally speaking, the media should be facilitated in their coverage of important Waitangi Day events and discussions while being challenged to do so professionally and in a balanced manner.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10703691

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  41. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Bye the way, there is one correct answer and reasons for.
    Who can get it ?

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  42. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Richard X
    Great point regarding Yugoslavia.
    I was referring to the immigrants, WHEN they immigrated.
    Not splitting hairs.
    You could miss my point on purpose Easily.

    However, which is the odd one out and why ?
    Stick your kneck out.
    Have a go.

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  43. starboard (2,551 comments) says:

    I have a small business ( as well as holding down a full time job ). From now on ( in the spirit of waitangi ) I am going to add 15% surcharge to the quote for all maori.

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  44. starboard (2,551 comments) says:

    Pick the odd one out .

    None of them. We are all immigrants.

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  45. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    Yugoslavia was a varying bunch of political entities from 1918 but the first was renamed Yugoslavia in 1929. One of the better known imigrant groups from that region are the Dalmatians (mostly from Croatia) who came here from the 1880s.

    Another of the nationalities listed have provided many immigrants. In the past some religious groups from that nationality were notorious for bombings and acts of terroism but none of that seems to have been brought to New Zealand from West Britain.

    I am going to add 15% surcharge to the quote for all maori.

    Starboard, you need to advertise that clearly. It will be interesting to see how it affects your business.

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  46. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    starboard
    wrong. no cigar for you.
    at least you tried, but

    Keep tuned, or ,have another try by all means.

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  47. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    OK Pete, very good points, and quite true. However.
    Do you have an answer to the IQ question ?

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  48. starboard (2,551 comments) says:

    I am going to add 15% surcharge to the quote for all maori.
    Starboard, you need to advertise that clearly. It will be interesting to see how it affects your business.

    ..it wont be advertised PG. A $100 quote will simply become $115. And a question which I have asked before..how can Ngai Brohu be exempt from paying tax? Why is this? How can this be fair?

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  49. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    Found this website (seems to be run by Trevor Louden) with a detailed background of Joris de Bres:
    http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Joris_de_Bres

    With such a clearly partisan background it’s hard to fathom that he could in any way be objective in carrying out his role. In my own opinion he’s made race relations in NZ worse not better. A waste of taxes, along with the Children’s commissioner.

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  50. paws (197 comments) says:

    You have to eat your veggies you know they are good for you and as your mother said they put colour on your cheeks, green cheeks
    if this link has already been posted tough but its good

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid96975757001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAACofXClE~,cNM8jhH8p6CXbdNnWU25xmd1poWozKQh&bclid=0&bctid=761047735001

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  51. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    Oh dear. Now poor old Gaffey is being pinned for the Canterbury sailor drowning – putting pressure on to take it out and make sure it floated when it wasn’t ready.

    This will make his hair turn grey.

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  52. thedavincimode (6,877 comments) says:

    RightNow

    That makes for pretty sorry reading. Maybe the State Services Commissioner job wasn’t up for grabs when Hulun slotted him in to his current pointless little earner.

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  53. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Thanks for the link RightNow (knowing that the particular Wiki exists, as much as anything).

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  54. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Starboard, because their billion dollar empire is a “charity”.

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  55. Johnboy (17,007 comments) says:

    IQ Q: Its the British Beryl.

    No one else likes mushy peas with their fish and chips and warm beer. :)

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  56. starboard (2,551 comments) says:

    I see…memo to self..alter status from mug taxpayer to ” charity “. So very wrong.

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  57. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    “For justice sake, let someone now tackle Ngai Tahu for millions in unpaid taxes because, being registered as a group charity, its businesses are exempted from paying them.”

    People like Rick Tau and Mark S are multi millionaires now thanks to the New Zealand taxpayer. Ouch that hurt eh bros!! Have another go. No wonder we borrow $300 million a week. Time people said enough is enough!! These greedy pricks need a good lesson.

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  58. starboard (2,551 comments) says:

    If only we could rally the numbers , similiar to Eygpt and have every Kiwi marching in the streets against these racist type policies. Apartied and racism is alive and well in Godzone.

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  59. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    It will happen starboard and very soon. The struggling taxpayer should not have to fund parasitic lifestyles of the elite elders. While we are at it, we shall get rid of all pollie liars and start again.

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  60. Johnboy (17,007 comments) says:

    I can see it all now Dad.

    Brown and White marching together, brothers in arms against racism and elitism.

    Grumpy with his bayonet and Johnboy proudly waving his wife beating equipment. :)

    It’s enough to bring a tear to a cynics eye!

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  61. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    “proudly waving his wife beating equipment”

    No please don’t Johnboy you’ll get a protection order put against you and your life will be ruined.
    Batman has a plan. Look too the sky for justice.

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  62. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    “proudly waving his wife beating equipment” – or he could be done for indecent exposure.

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  63. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Al Gore, the epitome of a con-man and world-renowned scientist writes:

    Last week on his show Bill O’Reilly asked, “Why has southern New York turned into the tundra?” and then said he had a call into me. I appreciate the question.

    As it turns out, the scientific community has been addressing this particular question for some time now and they say that increased heavy snowfalls are completely consistent with what they have been predicting as a consequence of man-made global warming:

    “In fact, scientists have been warning for at least two decades that global warming could make snowstorms more severe. Snow has two simple ingredients: cold and moisture. Warmer air collects moisture like a sponge until it hits a patch of cold air. When temperatures dip below freezing, a lot of moisture creates a lot of snow.”

    “A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species.”

    No matter what happens, it’s global warming — just shut up and give your money to Al and the warmists, the incompetent Nick Smith included.

    http://blog.algore.com/2011/02/an_answer_for_bill.html

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  64. Johnboy (17,007 comments) says:

    Don’t be so cruel. Al needs all the money he can get to pay the utility bills for his mansions.

    He puts in all the aircon as he is trying to preserve a little of what the climate used to be like before you deniers ruined it. :)

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  65. starboard (2,551 comments) says:

    A comment from ” The strandard ” WTF ??

    I was particularly perturbed by Christchurch Judge Jane Farish and her decision on the men who diddled the Marriage Celebrant rules. Or rather, her decision on one of the men.

    Judge Farish discharged the maori man without conviction on the basis that;

    1. He received most of his income through government contracts and if convicted he would lose that income stream.

    2. A conviction would weigh heavily on his ancestors.

    3. A conviction would weigh heavily on his children.

    Farish is a relatively recent appointment. Her judgments have been watched with interest. This one sticks out like dogs balls for being a more extreme example of some of her eyebrow-raising judgments.

    Perhaps a more astute (or rather, less worn out) legal mind can explain whether a persons ancestors or children have been used to justify a discharge without conviction before??

    And it would also be worth discovering whether or not such ancestor and children effects can be applied to non-maori.

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  66. Boloni (7 comments) says:

    Bereal Is it the Taiwanese and the special privilages they enjoy

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  67. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    bereal

    Cheaked all my Atalas’s or is it Atlai? and have been unable to find a country called Muslim .

    Where geographically can this country be found?

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  68. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    In my own opinion he’s made race relations in NZ worse not better. A waste of taxes, along with the Children’s commissioner.

    We must ask ourselves: why hasn’t comrade Joris been sacked and his useless office dismantled? What purpose does his quango serve?

    What is Labour-lite waiting for to act and dismiss Joris de Bres, the parasite?

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  69. Johnboy (17,007 comments) says:

    Well starboard feeling stink about what a lousy deal your ancestors got seems to count for a great deal of mitigation in the joke that we call the New Zealand legal system today! :)

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  70. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    “Farish is a relatively recent appointment”

    An old friend cleaned Judge Jane’s house in West Melton. Now that’s a good story! Our corrupt justice system is run by not right people.

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  71. wat dabney (3,809 comments) says:

    Brilliant India

    http://www.businessinsider.com/amazing-facts-about-india-2010-12?slop=1#slideshow-start

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  72. wat dabney (3,809 comments) says:

    It’s a twofer.

    India has have an “unlimited reserve” of shale gas

    http://thegwpf.org/energy-news/2312-india-celebrates-asias-first-shale-gas-discovery.html

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  73. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    Warm days in Texas.

    http://media.smh.com.au/national/environment-news/cold-weather-hits-texas-2163366.html

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  74. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    Parties in Mt Isa tonight. Yep, seems the abbo’s are in party mode, can’t wait for daytime tomorrow.
    Seems that new houses will be delivered on a fly in, direct from the coast.
    Sounds like the old corrugated iron needs replacing as it has rusted out with all the rain this year.

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  75. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    Large hole in the donut.

    http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/largec.html?area=4&element=0&mode=UTC

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  76. Bryla (263 comments) says:

    Viking2, “the Abbo’s are in party mode” in Mt Isa tonight. Classy. Bigotted AND illiterate. Must be a love child of Sarah Palin.

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  77. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    bryla derides V2 and then engages in bigotry himself.
    Why does the looney left hate her and deride her so much if she is as insignificant as they claim her to be? (rhetorical)

    Note this news item from Jordan ,where the Muslim Bros are the largest opposition. The King is getting twitchy. The Israelis must be very concerned too.

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=206296

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  78. Bryla (263 comments) says:

    kowtow, it’s not “hate her and deride her”. It’s having a bit of fun with a comedic figure. Also, were I bigotted, I’d be calling V2 a “redneck” and making reference to his cultural heritage instead of his personal qualities. Instead I love the whole country rebel movement. As for V2, if he’s living in Mt Isa he’s already suffering God’s punishment and who am I to taunt him further.

    Kill a gook for Jesus!

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  79. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    GrumpyOldFuckwit delights us all with his ill-informed rantings and exposes just how well the primary education system is doing.

    Kowtow, it’s just Bryla being an utter tard like everyone else in the Peacenik movement. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a long forgotten GRU bank account debiting him funds every month.

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  80. Bryla (263 comments) says:

    Surf Turf, my controller told me payment’s in the mail. pretty cool eh?

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  81. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Nice picture of a General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper on your website Bryla, cheers :D

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  82. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Shit mate, I only wish I got paid for what I do in my free time.

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  83. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    A rare case of Islamic radicals attacking a socialist:

    Anderson Cooper was attacked in Egypt Wednesday.

    CNN producer Steve Brusk Tweeted, “Anderson said he was punched 10 times in the head as pro-Mubarak mob surrounded him and his crew trying to cover demonstration.”

    Cooper then escaped to the roof of a nearby building, where he said on air that he and his crew were trying to get to a neutral zone between protestors and pro-Mubarak supporters when they “were set upon by pro-Mubarak supporters punching us in the head. The crowd kept growing, kept throwing punches, kicks…suddenly a young man would look at you and punch you in the face.”

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/anderson-cooper-attacked-mob-egypt-95628

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