The Flavell complaint

February 5th, 2011 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

3 News has a copy of the Flavell complaint about Hone Harawira. Extracts:

Firstly, while it is totally acceptable that we as a caucus have different views about various matters within the Party or caucus, it is appropriate that these issues are discussed internally.

This is standard in all parties. Hone has done nothing but attack his own party and colleagues for several weeks – he can’t really expect there to be no consequences for that.

This statement is made by one of our members who actually shaped the Bill, contributed to the discussions, heard the debate, saw the briefing papers and had direct access to the Minister. When I questioned him myself about why he was against it, he raised issues which I suggested he should take to the Minister. He decided he would not, in fact he stated that he had no intention of seeking any answers. He went on to issue a statement about the short comings of the Bill some of the points of which were incorrect.   And to be quite frank, this Bill is our Bill – there is no question in my mind that unless we had negotiated as we did in our coalition agreement, that National would never have considered there to be any need to repeal the 2004 Act and develop an alternative legislative framework.

It is interesting that Harawira turned down opportunities to work within the system – he just does the easy option of mouthing off in public.

And Flavell is right that without the asking for it, the Foreshore & Seabed Act would probably have not been reviewed or replaced.

I have lost trust and confidence in Hone to work as a part of our team and relationships have disintegrated to the disadvantage of our Party. For us to continue in this way is to see the situation worsen and have a huge impact on the long term future of our Party.

As Hone has shown not one ounce of compromise, I think it is inevitable he will be expelled – not because they want to, but because they have to. If he really wants to stay within the Maori Party, he has to gve them a reason to trust him.

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25 Responses to “The Flavell complaint”

  1. jackp (668 comments) says:

    Hone isn’t a list mp, but was voted in by his electorate. I don’t know what his popularity is right now with his electorate but I can see a move towards an independent party with mmp

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  2. CHFR (220 comments) says:

    Yeah Hone might do that but seriously how much support would his party get nation wide. I suspect he would be the lone member as there are not enough far left voters in this country.

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  3. Inky_the_Red (744 comments) says:

    I think you will find that Hone is popular. not just with his electorate but also, with the members of his Party.

    I think Flavell should listen to his party’s members and stop acting in his own self-interest

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  4. Matt (224 comments) says:

    Self interest? What a laugh. The only person to be working purely in his own self interest here is Hone Harawira. The best position for the Maori Party is to be able to work with both major parties so it’s able to drive the best deal. As the Greens have discovered, being to the left of Labour is a good way to spend three irrelevant years outside of government. It allows Labour to form a minority government safe in the knowledge that the far left wouldn’t dare vote against a confidence or supply vote. Being in the centre gives leverage, and allows them to influence even a National government’s policy.

    Frankly, this holds true for all the minor parties. Act could play up it’s liberal social side and negotiate with Labour to limit increases in spending but progress social policy, and the Greens could ditch the commie nonsense and negotiate with National on purely conservationist terms. I’m sure both parties would be more successful if they took this approach.

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  5. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (858 comments) says:

    I see inky the troll is accurately reflecting the lefts preferred narrative:

    1.. the flat lie that this is about Flavel vs harawira. Flavell is the Whip, this is a party matter about Harawira not about personalities

    2. that harawira is “popular” with the party

    The real reason of course is that Labour is desperately hoping that the Maori party will in fact implode, so that Labour will recapture the votes. Labour has never forgiven Maori for being disloyal, and have done everything possible to foment this tension.

    Harawira of course is a tool and mummy’s boy, who does exactly what that mad old snake tells him to. Thick as they come, but arrogant and nasty with it – a perfect representation of the personal charm and political and social sophistication that most Maori have learned to expect from Nga Puhi.

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  6. Mr Robert Black (145 comments) says:

    Imagine if Maoris had to form their own party based upon votes (like the rest of the country’s citizens).

    If they get votes, they gets seats.

    The problem is they wouldn’t get many seats.

    But perhaps if they formed a party or parties, not based solely upon race or skin colour and without the focus on apartheid and let go of their entrenched long term goal (unrealistic dream sadly) of booting out all the “visitors” to their country, then probably politicians with Maori blood would get quite a few votes from all races and skin colour and would get quite a few seats.

    They would be voted in on their merits, not skin colour or race, God forbid.

    And a fresh, postive and equally proud New Zealand, based upon simply who is a citizen of the country, would evolve.

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  7. Caleb (478 comments) says:

    exactly, matt.

    a honi only party is not going to help anyone but himself.

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  8. Mr Robert Black (145 comments) says:

    Not Maori, Asians and Pakeha just Kiwis.

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  9. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (858 comments) says:

    truth of the matter of course is that Hone is a bit of a Maori banana mallow-puff

    brown on the outside, and yellow in the middle (Hi mum!)

    Kia pai te haere Hone, and have a happy day “not having any personal ambitions for leadership” at Te Tii this weekend

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  10. Nigel Kearney (922 comments) says:

    40% of the Maori party have prestigious and well-paid Ministerial positions that they don’t want to lose by upsetting National. Another 40% are in line to have similar positions by the end of the year if they don’t rock the boat. Hone is there because he has such huge support in his electorate. He has a duty to represent those people, not just toe the party line all time, and those who elected him don’t like the F&S replacement any better than Hone does.

    The new bill is really awful. Simply repealing the current Act and letting Maori have their day in court would be acceptable to Hone, the author and most readers of this blog, and the vast majority of other non-racist New Zealanders. Hone has just decided that he won’t swallow this dead rat, especially when the rest of his caucus are only doing so because they’ve been bribed or threatened.

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  11. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Harawira’s rank as MP is only a true reflection of the calibre of the people living in his electorate.

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  12. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Not Maori, Asians and Pakeha just Kiwis.

    If you break into a rendition on John Lennon’s Imagine, I’m gonna hit you.

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  13. KevinH (1,160 comments) says:

    “And a fresh, positive and equally proud New Zealand, based upon simply who is a citizen of the country, would evolve.”

    Noble sentiment, often repeated ad nauseum, but never implemented. Similar sentiments were expressed by Hobson when the treaty was signed: ” Hei Iwi Tatou” , Now we are one people. History shows however that this didn’t happen and it is unlikely to ever happen.
    Hone Harawira is doing his level best to disrupt and possibly destroy the Maori Party on a matter of principle that relates back to when the Treaty was signed. That principle is article 2 of the Treaty.
    The mistake Hone is making is believing those sentiments are achievable, that Maori will retain ownership of their estates, fisheries and forests which has not been the case and probably never will. The Takutai Moana Bill is a case in point where the articles of the treaty are ignored, the Crowns imperative taking precedence again.

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  14. Mr Robert Black (145 comments) says:

    Yeah an unrealistic hypothetical dream.

    It will never happen of course.

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  15. Mr Robert Black (145 comments) says:

    But its difficult to break apartheid in a country when the electoral system demands it by law.

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  16. Inky_the_Red (744 comments) says:

    Manolo

    As John Carter and Phil Heatley both were voted in by the people living in the region covered by Te Tai Tokerau you may have a point

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  17. jackp (668 comments) says:

    Manolo “Harawira’s rank as MP is only a true reflection of the calibre of the people living in his electorate.”

    Wish that was true in Hawkes Bay. Our mp’s are ignoring the people that voted them in for party ministerial positions.

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  18. trout (922 comments) says:

    Up North Hone is seen to be ‘the man’ who is going to stick it to the Pakeha. Consorting with Pakeha does his image no good at all. And being a perennial protestor, pissing on the tent from the outside is a lot easier and attracts more attention than being on the inside. Hone could easily be the new Winston Peters; a man that retains the support of a few by scratching their collective itch, satsfying his own ego without any particual need to achieve anything of value. Expulsion from the Party rates along with Winston’s sackings; it can be parlayed to demonstrate fearless independence rather than what is actually is, selfish narcism.

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  19. kino flo (81 comments) says:

    Only one side of the story. Flavell comes across as something of a whiner. I wonder if this goes back to something when they were students at St Stephens. Harawira was incredibly popular apparently – Flavell, not so much. Is he getting his revenge?

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  20. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    This patethic saga within the Maori Party is starting to look more and more like the tribal warfare between Zuma and his ANC enemies.

    Tribalism has failed around the world, and the local racists are no exception to the rule.

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  21. jaba (2,096 comments) says:

    many people say that the racist, Harawira, is just telling the truth as he sees it and good on him .. that’s fine. The issue is that he is a member of a team and is letting them down by dissing the collective decisions that are opposite his thoughts and going public. He doesn’t want to be seen by his Northland supporters to be supporting something he doesn’t believe .. He MUST 1/ resign his position as MP 2/ resign from the party but keep the seat or 3/ have his shit stirring arse kicked out by the party and go on his own (or with Bradford/MattmcC/philu) as a new party.

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  22. Michael (899 comments) says:

    This has always looked like Hone racing headlong towards his explusion from the Maori Party and his attempts at public ‘martyrdom’. Having only to appeal to a small number of people, and not the majority (and certainly not the type of people who read and comment on Kiwiblog), he may still suceed.

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  23. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    As John Carter and Phil Heatley both were voted in by the people living in the region covered by Te Tai Tokerau you may have a point

    That proves my point.

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  24. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    jaba what do we see from the so called leaders of the Maori party, demands for equality when it comes to ownership of the foreshore, nope.
    They are happy for Maori to have a second class so called title on the foreshore while visitors to NZ get a fee simple title.
    The Maori party better take some care because I have heard the term brown pakehas used to describe members outside of Hone.

    The average Maori voter on the Maori roll is not pulling down over $200,000 unlike some in the Maori party.

    Chuck Hone out, say goodbye to the Maori party; members of whom voted for the well paid to pay less tax.
    Think those hori voters will switch over to the Nats, in your dreams, they will go straight back to Labour, just check which way the list votes went in the Maori seats.

    Dump the Maori seats, as a Labour supporter I would love that, all those horis voting at 100% for one party, Labour.

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  25. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (858 comments) says:

    and thats exactly why Labour and their mates are stirring the pot Hori. Shane Jones is the point man, but its all about using the point of leverage that Hone has created (because he’s thick, arrogant, and mum wants a last spin of the dice before she checks out to a warmer place).

    the Maori party implodes, the Maori vote goes back to labour.

    and New Zealand gets another generation of grievance and beneficiary entitlement mongers.

    Bit of a bugger if you are Maori and want to get ahead though. Ki te kahore he whakakitenga ka ngaro te iwi

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