Trotter on New Left Party

February 5th, 2011 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

is very sceptical of a new left party:

No, the people I worried about (and I was not alone) were the 50 to 60 Trotskyites, Maoists, “Permanent Revolutionaries”, Treaty fanatics, hard-core feminists and uncompromising environmentalists who would climb aboard this new political vehicle like Baader-Meinhof terrorists boarding a jet-liner.

Chris is referring to the founding of the New Labour Party.

A crucial element in the success of Jim Anderton (ex-Labour) and Winston Peters (ex-National) was the large number of experienced election campaigners who rallied to their side. These people didn’t have to be taught how to fund-raise, organise a canvassing drive or run an election-day system – they already knew.

“No worries,” say the promoters of a , “we’ll just game the MMP system by recruiting Hone Harawira. That way we can avoid the necessity of winning 5 per cent of the party vote. If it’s good enough for Rodney Hide in Epsom, it’s good enough for us.”

Hmmmm? Not sure that’s the slogan you’re looking for, Comrades. Besides, if you really think an electorally poisonous bunch of eco-anarchists, Maori nationalists, unreconstructed 80s feminists and hard-core Marxist-Leninists are going to attract anything like ACT’s vote in 2008, then you’re away with the fairies.

However they will have McCarten, who is a very good organiser.

Just consider the stats: The combined 2008 vote of New Zealand’s Centre-Left parties (Labour Party, Greens, Progressives) was 975,734 or 41.62 per cent of the party vote. Altogether, the Far-Left parties (Alliance, Workers Party, RAM – Residents Action Movement) attracted just 3306 votes or 0.14 per cent.

It’s nowhere near enough, Comrades. Even if he won every vote in Te Tai Tokerau, Hone would still be on his own.

I think Chris overlooks one key thing. The number of activists on the left who are dismayed by Goff-led Labour.

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39 Responses to “Trotter on New Left Party”

  1. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    reactionary bumptious-blowhard lets us know he is still scared stiff of ‘eco-anarchists’…and associated running-dogs of the revolution…

    ..meh..!

    ..i wd agree with farrar that trotter is seriously underestimating the following a party articulating those concerns of so many will be able to muster..

    (..and yes..they will have those nuts and bolts of ‘campaigning’ well sorted..)

    …trotter has been nothing since he sold his soul/body to that rightwing publishing organ..

    ..my personal/favourite quote from trotter…(quivering jowls/pouting midriff and all….)

    …was “..i hate vegetarians..!”…

    ..he has morphed/grown into a colonel blimp character..

    ..and he should run as a list-candidate for peters…that’s where he is at…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  2. hj (6,686 comments) says:

    “Besides, if you really think an electorally poisonous bunch of eco-anarchists, Maori nationalists, unreconstructed 80s feminists and hard-core Marxist-Leninists are going to attract anything like ACT’s vote in 2008, then you’re away with the fairies.”

    Unless you cover yourself in foliage and call yourself The Green Party.

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  3. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    I dont think Trotter is overlooking anything. I think he is deliberately trying to under play the prospects of a new left party to try and stop any more bleeding of support away from his beloved Labour. You know they can’t abide anyone competing against them for Left votes.

    He sees Labour’s impending feeble result just getting worse. What is more, any splintering of the Left vote to a party that doesn’t achieve either 5% or an electorate seat just flushes his dream down the dunny. If that party takes the slice of the votes and does achieve seats in the House, even that is like wet kiss from he grandmother to Trotter as it would mean Labour would have to make compromises to have any chance of wresting the Treasury benches away from National. That last Labour govts showed that is complete anathema to Labour

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  4. Inky_the_Red (744 comments) says:

    I think one-day there will be a strong left party in NZ. I don’t think Hone is the person who will be responsible for it gaining seats. I think Hone would be better forming a leftwing Maori Party which could realistically win 2-3 seats.

    As for the Left, anytime I have met him despite how much what he had done had pissed me off (like working with the Maori Party) in person he is so charming. He though is not the man to lead a Party.

    Bradford I have never met so I can’t comment on her ability to lead a Left Party. I think she achieved much the fact the law to promote the rights of vulnerable children. I do think that her media image makes it difficult to think she would lead a successful Party.

    MMP makes it harder to establish new Parties. In Germany only two new Parties (the Greens and the Left) have been formed in 20+ years (I am referring to Parties winning seats at a National Level). A 5% threshold is a major hurdle.

    In reality I think an Auckland or South Island Party are more likely to form that the left at the moment. Of course the situation may change as the world economy remains sluggish and the Left may rise again this year but I am one lefty that isn’t counting on it.

    At the end of the year I am likely to vote Alliance again.

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  5. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    no..no..the green party have covered themselves in compromise…

    …and should be called ‘the light-green party’…(tagline:..green bbq:..’let’s go kneck some calves..!’)

    ….chicken-wings anyone..?..yes..!..yes..!..they came from one of those larger cages..!..haven’t we done well..!’

    some dark greens will likely turn to a that new party…

    (not so much because they expect succour there…but thru disappointment at what the green party hasn’t become..)

    phil(whjoar.co.nz)

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  6. Pete George (23,277 comments) says:

    MMP makes it harder to establish new Parties.

    Really? I don’t know if it makes it harder or easier (getting credibility and traction with voters is hard regardless), but at least they have a much better chance of some representation in government, 5% may get them that, as opposed to 50% under FPP.

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  7. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..At the end of the year I am likely to vote Alliance again…”

    gee inky..um..!..why such guaranteed waste of a vote…..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  8. berend (1,673 comments) says:

    DPF: The number of activists on the left who are dismayed by Goff-led Labour.

    But that’s not enough obviously. If they were dismayed by Labour. But being dismayed by Goff is like being dismayed by Bill English. Or John Key now. National hasn’t done anything, the economy is a wreck, taxes are as high as ever, and people still vote for National.

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  9. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (sigh..!.)..pg..have you not heard/read the case for a 3% limit..?

    …for those very enhancing the democratic-voices of all reasons..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  10. hj (6,686 comments) says:

    One problem the left has is that times have changed and distance has grown between beneficiaries and sloggers who pay for them. Chances are the worker worries about the young ferals from the social welfare gentry down the street.

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  11. Inky_the_Red (744 comments) says:

    Pete,

    It is harder as parties tend to start small (unless there is a schism in an existing Party). If you can point to some evidence country let me know (I’ll retract). FPP means it is easier for a Party can emerge from a winning one seat but it is still difficult.

    STV on the other hand seems to allow the creation of new parties. For instance the Greens in Tasmania. In this months Irish election (the bookmakers odds) suggest that the Socialist Party will get 1-2 seats while their allies (in the united left alliance; people before profits) are expected to get another 1 or 2 seats. Neither of these parties have seats currently (though they have several council seats and one MEP and the Socialist Party leader has been elected in past elections)

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  12. nasska (10,867 comments) says:

    Any party of the far left has to be cobbled together from Labour, NZ1, the Alliance, the Greens…who have I missed. Worse than that it will be from the disaffected members of these parties. Herding cats would be a cakewalk compared with running a caucus of such bitter & twisted ideologues.

    The greatest gift this hard left party could bestow would be light entertainment. Such a sideshow would be worth supporting with everything other than a vote.

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  13. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    The more the Left divide itself, the better for our country. Simple.

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  14. nasska (10,867 comments) says:

    Manolo @ 1.10pm.

    Amen.

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  15. jaba (2,095 comments) says:

    if a new left party did come into being, hope it does, it will be a chance for philu to put himself up for election and let the whole country know his ideas to move the country forward.

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  16. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    DPF
    However they will have McCarten, who is a very good organiser……………………………..

    McCarten can’t even organise his union to pay GST ,PAYE………FFS

    If Trotter says this is doomed , its doomed. If these losers formed a party they would end up like those sad old commies flogging the Daily Worker on K Road

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  17. ben (2,414 comments) says:

    Trotter wrote:

    this new political vehicle like Baader-Meinhof terrorists boarding a jet-liner.

    Trotter is a show boat. His entire contribution to political debate is to find ever more cleverly-named buckets to put people in to. So they’re not terrorists anymore, they’re “Baader-Meinhof terrorists”.

    What a load of wank.

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  18. Alan Wilkinson (1,848 comments) says:

    It’s amusing to see the Left totally behind Harawira’s ever-present list of injustices – until he threatens their votes.

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  19. Peter (1,662 comments) says:

    I welcome a split of the Greens vote.

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  20. Red Sam (122 comments) says:

    I can only hope that a successful new Left party emerges in the near future.

    Labour are nothing short of liberal third way moderates. I could never vote for a party that supports free trade, the surveillance and SIS bills, GST, user-pays tertiary education, unaffordable housing, and is against the right for workers to strike outside of bargaining. The Green Party’s answer to all nasties is flat taxes and/or behaviour change – ie, ride a bike, wrap the hot water cylinder, catch the bus, etc. They’ve been next to silent on the social issues that matter.

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  21. ISeeRed (244 comments) says:

    Another left party? That’s all National needs.

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  22. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i see red…

    a new party..grouped around harawiras’ seat will be good for the centre-left numbers…

    that one seat cd bring a brace of leftwing mp’s in…

    ..what’s not to like about that…?

    ..do the math..!

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  23. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    you all seem to be forgetting the peaks of support the alliance had in their prime…

    ..20%+…

    …just because nobody has been speaking for them…since labour galloped right…

    ..and anderton wore the alliance down to one…

    ..dosen’t mean they have just gone away…

    ..far from trotters’ dyspeptic-predictions…

    ..the support for this party will be the big surprise of this election…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  24. ISeeRed (244 comments) says:

    David Farrar, your blog seems to have been infected by a virus or worm. Random words, lines and … appear after my post at 4:30pm.

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  25. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    it’s interesting..the sea-change that appears to be happening…

    ..the pendulum is starting to swing the other way…

    ..what we have is the possibility of the various strands of the left coalescing into a new entity…

    …and we have the right in disarray….

    ..act is a limping mess…barely able to croak….and looking down the barrel of electoral decimation..

    …with their best-case scenario hide just hanging on…

    …they have dunny….

    ..so they are forced to rely on a maori party where the leadership have deserted their followers…

    ..and are now making simpering noises of wanting to go with national again…

    …are they mad…?

    …some 80+% of those who voted for the maori party mp’s also gave their party vote to labour…

    …do they really think the shellacking maori have taken under this class-war regime…

    ..have caused those voters to desert labour..?

    …so how they attempt to reconvile those conflicting forces will be interesting to watch…

    ..so that is all national have…

    (if the greens went with a privatising/second-term rightwing govt…they wd be signing their death warrant as a party..)

    but on the left..goff looks to be spoilt for choice…

    ..a cornucopia of parties to choose from…

    ..my best/ideal-result wd be a lab/greens/new party govt…

    ..then we cd rock and roll…

    ..and do what needs to be done..

    ..to bring the country back from the third world abyss decades of rightwing govts has dragged us..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  26. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    see..!..the lefties slag me too…

    …and you should hear the greens…!

    ..whoar..!

    i must be doing something right….

    ..to be so pan-ideological in my annoying…

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  27. DJP6-25 (1,301 comments) says:

    Anything that further fragments the left is good. There is a realistic chance that John Key will be a four term PM.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  28. ISeeRed (244 comments) says:

    David Farrar, the worm or virus is spreading! More random words that make no sense 5:03pm and 5:06 pm!

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  29. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    no dpjs..the opposite is the reality…

    ..the formerly 20+% left has been in fragments…

    ..act/the right are now the ones in fragments…

    ..and with no chance of a return/revival…

    ..with the left having the chance of ‘looking good’…

    …phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  30. Bullitt (138 comments) says:

    DPF I think your analysis at the top is incorrect. You’d be pretty hard pressed to call the Greens a centre left party. They sit well with RAM.

    I’d love to see a new left party as itd drag the greens below 5% and everyone would be better off.

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  31. Zapper (953 comments) says:

    Philu

    National 50.4%

    Disarray indeed

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  32. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i am talking about possible coalition partners…zapper…

    and if national ruling alone is yr only option…

    ..50.4% now isn’t looking that crash hot…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  33. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    why do you want the greens gone..bullit..?

    ..just visceral..?..or actual reasons..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  34. Bullitt (138 comments) says:

    I have no problem with an environmental party, in fact theres probably a lot of benefits of having one there. I have a big problem with a party of loonies who’s priorities are thinly veiled social engineering who only appeal to very left wing people or apathetic people who dont realise their true agenda.

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  35. pq (728 comments) says:

    there is no new left dudes ;
    there is only trotsky and marx, and lenin, and stalin and death squads,
    death from socialism ,
    don’t answer here chris trotter, or lew, or pablo, just dream on,

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  36. Rex Widerstrom (5,327 comments) says:

    I think Chris overlooks one key thing. The number of activists on the left who are dismayed by Goff-led Labour.

    Rather like the number of activists dismayed by the lacklustre let-down that is Key-led National?

    Trotter’s not the only elderly chap sitting in in his clubland chair, smoking a cigar and observing to his fellow elitists that the peasants are revolting. Thing is they are – just not in the way he means it.

    The Trade Me “poll” someone referenced yesterday had far more people supporting Key than Goff, yes. But count the number who said “neither”. Just give them a credible alternative and see the smugness of the elites, who think they can cosily hand power back and forth between them indefinitely, disappear.

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  37. Zapper (953 comments) says:

    Come on now Phil. Explain just how the right is in disarray while the left is stable and surging to victory.

    I note from other comments that you’re a P cook. You must have been consuming a f**kload with some of your recent comments.

    [DPF: 50 demerits]

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  38. AndyC (28 comments) says:

    …..P.P.P.P.lease. H.H.H..eellp… Hav.e .punct.uati.on. mark…O.C.D…

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  39. KevinH (1,147 comments) says:

    “I think Chris overlooks one key thing. The number of activists on the left who are dismayed by Goff-led Labour.”

    DPF has got it exactly right. Watch that space.

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