Will the Maori Party have peace in our time?
February 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 am by David FarrarMike Watson at Stuff reports:
A hui to hear a complaint against Maverick Maori Party MP Hone Harawira has ended without resolution on his future with the party.
Mr Harawira and Maori Party whip Te Ururoa Flavell walked out together but told reporters they hadn’t resolved all the issues that sparked the hui.
The fact they talked face to face is a good start, but I have my doubts that it will solve things.
Harawira said this afternoon he “absolutely” believed he could still work with Flavell and had no issues with co-leader Tariana Turia either.
He did not want to leave the Maori Party.
I think this supports the Gower theory that Hone is in fact trying to take over the Maori Party. Note that he did not say he had no issues with Pita Sharples.
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February 2nd, 2011 at 10:04 am
Only Tiriana, yes very significant omission of Sharples imo.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:07 am
Of course he want’s to take over the party Without it, he is nothing. Just another blowhard with no mana.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:11 am
I’m sick and tired of the publicity given to the thug Harawira, a true oxygen thief, who with his racist followers should go back to the Stone Age where they belong.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:20 am
Yep, boring.
Piss off Mr Harawira, you have nothing to offer NZ and you’re selling your supporters short by helping them to think that there best times are in past that they have no stake in the future except as victims.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:23 am
..*their* best times..
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:30 am
Did I miss the Hui called by the Maori party to combat the endless spate of child deaths?
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:33 am
No Bruv, because it’s our problem… Remember?
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:37 am
ciaron
It is time that non Maori (white mofo’s if you like) started telling Maori that it is NOT our problem, it is not the problem of any other group in NZ other than Maori.
Only then is there a chance that Maori might (note I said “Might”) take responsibility for the actions of their people.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:41 am
Well, without wanting to sound racist, I’d like to see the beakdown on abusive parents with respect to blood, from 100% Maori < 50/50 < 100 % white/other. In other words: do oil and water mix?
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:47 am
“Will the Maori Party have peace in our time?”
Will anyone care?
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:49 am
Maoris are very tribal.
You would need to separate the Otahuhu Maori party from the Mangere Maori party from the Tolaga Bay Maori party and so on.
And then we have the actual tribes. Narty Farty and so on.
Let’s face it, we would probably need one Maori party for every whanau group and even then they would be, doing eachother, in one one way or another.
Yep the Maoris, New Zealand’s blessed visitors.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 am
The more Maori we get exposed to the more insignificant they become. I’m over the whole Maori thing now. From haka’s to Waitangi Day shenanigans to Hone’s racist comments to taniwha’s to maori children getting beaten by maori caregivers to moko’s to treaty claims. Over it I tell you. Just say no to Maori. Once you do it a few times they’ll be easy to ignore then they won’t feel special and require special treatment.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:51 am
My own theory is that Hone has no plan and no general idea who he is going to annoy with what he is saying, but that he has about three key principles in his head, those being a) Maori good b) Pakeha and National bad, and c) there’s good money in politics. Now, Hone can’t just come out and say this because he has a vested interest in looking competent. Under this theory, what is going on now is he is trying to repair the damage inadvertently caused, in response to principle (c). My two cents.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 10:53 am
Actually, I have to agree with BB. I don’t believe is our problem, since the blame is entirely on those Maori who commit these atrocious crimes.
The attempts to spread the blame, to share the guilt among the rest of society, are just a smoke screen and do nothing to solve the problem. Step one towards resolution would be an acknowledgement by the perpetrators and their “leaders”.
Undoubtly, it is easier and more rewarding to pursue ownership of the foreshore and seabead, attend endless huis, and enjoy the baubles of power, isn’t it?
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 11:06 am
I always remember that famous Al Bundy line (from Married With Children)
“Ah, women, can’t live with em’… can’t herd them all into Canada.”
By changing two words in that sentence we have a relevant post for the Maori.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 11:16 am
correct me if I’m wrong but the Maori seats are based on tribal areas so of course they will struggle .. they have been fighting/killing/eating each other for centuries .. the Jocks have a saying that I still hear today .. “never trust a campbell”.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 11:17 am
Imagine this. You are sitting at the beach with fish in chips in paper. As soon as you open them up the seagulls start coming around. You think to yourself, “I’ll just feed one. That cute one with the limpy leg.” So you give him/her a chip with a black bit on it. Then you notice another being almost bullied by the other bigger gulls so you give him/her one too. This only creates the effect of more gulls coming from everywhere looking for an easy meal. Then you start giving them more chips and even a bit of batter off your fish. Soon you realise that you are nearly finished your fish and chips and you’re still hungry. You make a mental note never to do that again. But the squawking is endless and next time you are at the beach with fish and chips you find yourself doing it all over again. If only they would stop squawking and I wasn’t so generous…
Vote:Can you see where I’m going with this?
February 2nd, 2011 at 11:24 am
Can you see where I’m going with this?
Well, any right minded individual would…
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 11:38 am
Yes Akaroa, never feed the seagulls there.
But seriously, you make a good analogy OTGO.
That’s the problem, those people should never had fed the seagulls with those free easy fish and chips, those first free easy meals, in the first place.
Now, with a flock of fat and lazy, but still screaming seagulls (louder than ever, looking for not just free meals but bigger free meals) what do you do?
Is there indeed a solution?
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 11:40 am
Whats 1080 like on seagulls? would you have to plant it in the chips?
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 am
There is little doubt that Hone Harawira wants to challenge for the leadership of the Maori Party, his process of undermining the leadership has already begun. However with Hone at the helm the Maori Party will be defunct, Maori will return to Labour in numbers, some will go with the Nats, some to NZ First, with the rest party voting for the Greens.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 11:50 am
Maori seats should not exist.
Isn’t that what they are fighting for in Egypt and Tunisia?
A TRUE democracy?
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Do we know if KevinH is the Green Party MP?
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 12:56 pm
BB, are you trying to imply that the majority of Maori who are good parents and do not beat their children are somehow responsible for the minority of Maori who do beat their children?
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 3:33 pm
I’ll be pleased if the Maori Party implodes and disappears from our political stage as I don’t think there is any place for race-based parties in our political system. Same goes for race-based seats.
But damn, some of the comments above are as ignorant and racist as I believe Hone Harawira to be.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Someone needs to call the Maori Party out on it’s slogans “Maori only want their day in court” = Maori want aboriginal title to all foreshore and seabed which was tribal territory in 1840.
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From Frogblog:
toad
Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:34 AM
@Gerrit 6:49 AM
Gerrit, I think this is all a media beat-up (ably assisted by Martyn Bradbury). I know the reported players pretty well.
If Hone were to get booted out of the Maori Party, I suspect he would want to form some sort of alliance with the Greens before associating himself with the various individuals with no commitment to (or who oppose) tino rangatiratanga who are likely to be drawn to some new left party.
Sue denies anything is happening.
Matt was probably testing the waters for the idea by standing in the Mana byelection (I haven’t spoken with him about it), but the outcome there would not have given him confidence that it would fly.
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/02/01/general-debate-february-1-2011/
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 4:28 pm
hj I hope Toad is right, it would be a match made in hell. Sounds like Toad has been pigging out on the flies, he’s losing the plot. Hone, Sue, Matt, one more and we would have the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I’m sure Hone thinks New Zealand is currently the land of the ‘Wrong White Crowd’
Vote:February 2nd, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Mr Robert Black Pity the men from the 28th battallion did not come home to democracy was it not ?
Vote:Also a pity that a Kiwi knows no history of his own country.
Hold on, are you another visitor ?
February 2nd, 2011 at 8:43 pm
I suspect it is a bit of a media beat up, lets be honest, John Hatfield is not interested in poor white mother fuckers, he could not care less about them, he only cares about Maori.
Any party led or co led by that Bradford thing would be targeting the parasites and bludgers of any colour, that is not what John Hatfield is all about.
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