Goff rules out Hone but not Winston

March 14th, 2011 at 3:29 pm by David Farrar

The hopes of those calling for a “New Left” party entering Parliament via took another tumble today, as ccording to Alex Tarrant from interest.co.nz, ruled out working with Hone Harawira.

Of course this position may change. A month ago Goff also ruled out working with Hone Harawira, but backed down a few days later. So this is I think his third position on working with Hone. I asked the rhetorical question in February whether Goff will manage as many positions on Hone (now up to three) as they did on foreshore & seabed (now up to five)

He still won’t rule Winston in or out though. That one should be simpler – you can at least trust Hone. Policy differences can be negotiated in good faith. Trust can not be. Winston lied blatantly to Helen Clark about the Owen Glenn donation, yet Labour are still clinging to Winston in the hope he will hold the balance of power and make Goff Prime Minister.

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30 Responses to “Goff rules out Hone but not Winston”

  1. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    And key and Hide are to be trusted?

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  2. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    On a scale of trustibility, Key rates a 7, Hide a 4 – unfortunately the computer we are using is still calculating Winston’s. At the moment it is -763476736572365736573657326583568236572365792365739652375679% and the CPU is almost cooked.

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  3. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Shouldn’t you be singing that in a shit voice with all the tone of a scalded cat joana?

    Do you really think that this sort of trolling achieves anything other than tell everyone about your personal predudices?

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  4. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Whats really needed is a new right wing party which focuses exclusively on white issues and the promotion of white people in New Zealand.

    What that sets you off? Its fine when its left and brown so what the difference?

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  5. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Not really understanding you Murray but so glad you know everything. It must be a comfort in these dark days.

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  6. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    And Key and Hide are to be trusted?

    No. Or, as much as you would trust the thug Harawira, the deranged Nick Smith and the venal Peters.

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  7. Mr Nobody NZ (391 comments) says:

    No Murray what is needed is persons currently signed up to the General Electoral Roll to Swap over to the Maori Electoral Roll.

    Once we’re all Maori there we can perhaps have the conversation how do we make this country succeed vs the slow continuing churn that we currently have.

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  8. reversespin (69 comments) says:

    Phil, Phil, Phil……..how can you get it so wrong, so often?

    He would have been better off ruling out Winston and keeping the door open to Harawira. All this does is make it harder, should the unlikely happan and Labour get 35%+ in the election.

    It is abudantly clear now that Labour will NEVER be able to pull together a functioning, stable govt on November the 27th.

    Questions remaining:
    1. Can National get over 50% of the Party Vote?
    2. Even if they did, would they want to govern alone?
    3. Who is the best partner in govt for national? United Future, ACT or Maori Party?

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  9. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    3. Who is the best partner in govt for national? United Future, ACT or Maori Party?

    ACT, assuming it survives the election.
    The prostitute Dunne and the racist Maori Party both deserve the political wilderness and oblivion.

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  10. lastmanstanding (1,297 comments) says:

    Alas a minority of Maori and the Grumpy Oldies are going to decide who will govern post Nov 26. Such are the vagaries of democracy in NZ.

    Still as the other Winnie said. It isnt the best but its far better than the rest

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  11. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    Hone would destroy the country in a misguided and arrogant, but sincere, belief that he is right. Winston would destroy the country for an extra day with a Crown Car.

    I note that Joana goes for the deflection technique and ignores the overwhelming evidence as to Winston’s duplicity.

    Goff knows he has no show with out Winston but has clearly done the numbers and thinks he can do without Hone. Transparent.

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  12. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    I’d love to see again that absurd charade when poor old Owen Glenn, having forked out a fortune for Auckland University, was shielded and deflected from Helen Clark’s holy presence by the man who should have been a PM, Trevor Mallard. Another guy who couldn’t behave himself or win the trust of the public and on this occasion making a fool of himself and Clark.

    Joana, I am one of many who trust John Key.

    And why have a go at Nick Smith who had a brief bout with depression? Or is it OK in your book to mock whom you like even though you tick off others for doing the same thing.

    Oops. I forgot. Consistency and truth are not words to be used of the Left.

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  13. Muzza M (291 comments) says:

    I have a feeling that both Key and Goff would go with either Hone or Winston if it meant retaining or gaining power.

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  14. 3-coil (1,220 comments) says:

    “Winston lied blatantly to Helen Clark about the Owen Glenn donation, yet Labour are still clinging to Winston in the hope he will hold the balance of power and make Goff Prime Minister”

    …and Helen Clark subsequently lied to the NZ voters to cover for Winston too. The difference this time is that (to our knowledge) Peters does not have Goff by the short&curlies – there are no skeletons of Goff’s that Winnie can threaten to expose.

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  15. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    Just as well the bastards legalised prostitution eh?….

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  16. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    I wonder whether Key is probably thinking more strategically than the left. Sure, getting power is good, but he’s looking to the next election and the one after. Winston gets you over the line, but the history is at next election you get punished. Key brought in the Maori Party when he didn’t need to, but saw it strategically as helping him manage his coalition along the way, and manage the next election.

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  17. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    caught a glimpse of Goff on telly at the Cricket .. he new the camera was on him and looked lovingly into the distance with his silly smile .. it is a case that he can’t act naturally .. trying too hard. we have seen many such fake looks from the poor bugger .. remember the Saturday night fever walk?

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  18. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    He still won’t rule Winston in or out though. That one should be simpler – you can at least trust Hone. Policy differences can be negotiated in good faith. Trust can not be.

    A man who stands for nothing will roll over for anything. As long as you distract him with a shiny bauble. Winston, for all he likes to think otherwise, is a kitten. Hone is a tiger. On this at least, Goff knows exactly what he’s doing.

    He’s working in a political system which gives him a caucus full of safe seat MPs reliant on preselection for their place at the trough and List MPs reliant on keeping the leadership happy, so will do exactly what they’re told.

    The only way any leader will be forced to make a stand on principle is if s/he’s backed into a corner by a third party MP who believes in something other than his or her own place on the gravy train. So rule them out, make sure no one votes for them, and make it look like you’re negotiating with the unprincipled ones when all you’re doing is negotiating their price.

    MMP… gotta love it.

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  19. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    “you can at least trust Hone”

    Can you trust him? Remember when he told Tariana he was feeling “sick” –
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10607633

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  20. Oh Dear (15 comments) says:

    I think that real reason Goff has come out and said that he wont work with winston is because internal Labour party polling shows that a new left party would cripple the Labour party. SO they are trying to cut off the beginnings of a new left party before it can even get off the ground.

    Make no mistake…Goff is running scared. The remaining labour supporters are only hanging on by a thread. the second another left party (other than the greens) emerges with a real chance of getting in, the rest of labours voters will desert it.

    This is why Goff has had to rule out Hone.

    A party with Hone’s seat will help in getting them in, which would encourage more people to vote for them and thus they would surge in the polls at the expense of Labour.

    If Matt McCarten joined Hone, he would convince his union minnions to vote for the new party.

    Goff is trying to cut off the head before the body grows so to speak.

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  21. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    Oh Dear: disagree. There is a lot more to a party than a couple of people with some good ideas. For all that Labour are in a hole right now, they have massive institutional knowledge and capacity to organise – I don’t see them fading away, any more than National did when some on the left predicted it a few terms back.

    The basic problem for Labour is they didn’t accept that they lost and the people didn’t want them. So they wanted to keep looking like a govt in waiting, because any day now Key would fall over and they’d be able to step into the breach. They’ve finally worked out they need to rebuild, but it’s too close to the election. So they’ll do this election, blood letting after they lose, new team on the ground who will need 2 terms to become electable. Whereas if they’d bit the bullet straight after the election and rebuilt immediately, they’d have had a shot in 2014.

    I guess that’s the nature of politics, and having lots of MPs hanging around who don’t want to go anywhere and think they’re senior doesn’t help. The Libs in Aus had a similar problem, except they at least pushed the leadership around a bit and made a go of it. Some good luck as well with Rudd imploding. But getting in a new guy like Abbott (well, old guard, but certainly keen and pushy when compared to Goff) who was keen to really make a go of it, made a difference. He might not be the guy to take them to the next election, but he certainly pulled them back from the brink. I don’t see an Abbott on offer in the Labour camp.

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  22. pq (728 comments) says:

    I know this is boring but where will the disaffected vote?
    I will not vote for NAT because of the ludicrous foreshore bill renamed Coastal and utterly unacceptable.
    I would never vote Labour, but how has NZ NAT Government helped New Zealand.
    Where is the financial leader go getter smile and wave as our economy collapses.
    If you look at the figures Key is proving himself mediocre or less.
    I would rather have a n all out fight between Winston and Goff for leadership

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  23. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    I note that Goff hasn’t ruled out National either. Although as a minor party these days, Labour doesn’t have the luxury of being too fussy I suppose.

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  24. noodle (151 comments) says:

    And I’m thoroughly pissed off with the whole , venal shower that is the lot of them. As usual, I’ll drag my sad old arse off to the ballot box again this year but no part of it will give me any pleasure. My vote will again be the “triumph of hope over experience”.

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  25. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Winston lied blatantly to Helen Clark about the Owen Glenn donation
    ………………………………….
    So where does national get it’s money?

    From The Landlord Says:

    Meanwhile the National Party released its immigration policy. You may wonder what this means for the property market. It is clear from research that immigration is one of the key drivers of house price growth.

    The logic is simple. If you import more people into the country, then you need more houses. Supply and demand means that prices are then pushed up, this is particularly so in Auckland.

    While the latest immigration numbers show the number of people coming into New Zealand is starting to rise, the Nat’s policy looks like it wants to increase immigration levels even further. (Although it is unclear what sort of number they are targeting.)
    This policy is, arguably, a plus for people who want house prices to rise. (But may be not so good for first home owners wanting to buy.)

    My guess has always been that property investors lean heavily towards the right rather than the left. (This was
    [read between the lines]
    made clear in an email newsletter I saw from one developer this week.)
    ….
    “Although “the favourable tax treatment of property investment” accounted for about 50% of house price increases between 2001 and 2007, the working group said, there was also strong evidence that rapid swings in immigration brought about price-rise “shocks”.

    There was a sharp spike in immigration in 2001, 2002 and 2003 and, said working group committee member Dr Andrew Coleman, it appeared that property prices did not fall anywhere near as greatly when immigration fell again.

    The report added that there was little evidence that immigration boosted local incomes. In fact, the need to build roads and schools meant that net migration contributed to the national deficit. ”
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices

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  26. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    pg et al, you confuse NZ with a real country. We are a poxy little country at the bottom of the South Pacific, with huge pretensions to being something that we are not. A large 1st world economy. We bow and sway to the winds of the world eeconomy, and our polly’s have so little impact on that, yet wish us to believe otherwise when its good – aka Labour for 9 years – or the truth when its bad – now.

    Our advantage is that we have an amazing little part of the world. We have so much to be grateful for, and yet seek to find fault because of the ‘rich’. Im rich, according to Andrew Little. I earn this side of $500K. Under National. When Labour get in, I will scale that back if tax goes up to levels I think too high. Fuck ‘em. Im not paying for some lazy fucker. I will be that lazy fucker :)

    And in 5 years time I will retire and sell my company, now operating in 3 countries around the world, and watch as Labour take power again and I wave from the sidelines :)

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  27. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Among other truths made completely clear by the showdown in Wisconsin: the outsized role of the Koch brothers in American politics.

    Charles and David, the third and fourth richest men in America, first gained notoriety this past fall, when a remarkable exposé by Jane Mayer in The New Yorker showed how they’d funded not only the Tea Party but also the hydra-headed campaign to undermine the science of global warming, all in the service of even more profit for their oil and gas business.

    http://www.grist.org/article/2011-03-12-why-doesnt-congress-give-a-damn-about-climate-hint-not-messaging

    and which groups fund National in their selfish interest?

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  28. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    hj, as opposed to that evil guy Soros who funds all the trendy lefty causes with his ill gotten gains?

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  29. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Goff was and is just being decisive each time he states his position, he is just not sure what position to take. And besides everytime he takes a different position he gets his name in the media.

    John Key also takes positions and then changes them and it works for him – look at the polls. So I suppose this is a form of imitation, the highest form of flattery. Goff just wants to be as successful as Key, so he follows his example.

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  30. backster (2,172 comments) says:

    I note Phil only declared he wouldn’t work with Hone AFTER Sue Bradford declared that she couldn’t be part of a leftwing party which gave Maori preferential treatment as demanded by Hone.

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