Power to retire

March 2nd, 2011 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Good God I’m stunned.

NZPA report:

Cabinet Minister is retiring from politics in November to return to the private sector.

The high-flying National MP is the minister of justice, commerce, State-owned enterprises and the associate finance minister. He is also the minister responsible for the Law Commission and Deputy Leader of the House.

His name has frequently featured in future leader predictions but today he announced he was leaving Parliament.

Mr Power, MP for Rangitikei, said he was looking forward to continuing to contribute to New Zealand’s growth, but in the private sector.

Simon was a guaranteed front-bencher for the next two terms of Government, if National was re-elected. Good on him for deciding to get out while on top, but he will leave a big gap in Cabinet. His workload was massive and he oversaw many major reforms.

On a personal level, I’ve always found Simon very approachable and good to talk to. I recall first meeting him as a candidate and being hugely impressed.

In Government I’ve agreed with many of his decisions, and disagreed with a few – that is the nature of politics. But always found him very willing to engage.

Simon has the respect of many Opposition MPs for his willingness to consult and compromise. His chairing of the Privileges Committee hearing into Winston was superb and we saw Simon at his best.

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106 Responses to “Power to retire”

  1. Tinakori (67 comments) says:

    A good move for NZ. We need a heavy hitter and additional intellectual rigour on the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court.

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  2. XChequer (350 comments) says:

    WTF???????

    Big loss. A capable guy

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  3. Mr Nobody NZ (397 comments) says:

    His retirement is a loss for not just the National party but New Zealand as a whole, though I can’t help but wonder due to the unexpected nature of it the announcement if some sort of skeleton has been dug up.

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  4. PaulL (5,873 comments) says:

    A surprise. I presume this means that either:
    – he has achieved all he wanted to. Seems unlikely
    – he has decided he cannot achieve what he wanted to. Many people from the private sector decide this after their first taste of govt – turns out that you can’t influence half what you thought you could
    – he has personal or private issues that mean he doesn’t want to do it any more

    My money would be on 2 or 3.

    [DPF: May just be he has a wife and young kids he wants to see more of]

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  5. taranaki (20 comments) says:

    While in opposition Power was a huge cheerleader for us joining the invasion of Iraq. I’ve never got past that appalling display of judgement.

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  6. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    I don’t care why he’s going, just that he is going. The guy was clearly a red-teamer playing for the blue team. One fewer progressive around the Prime Minister can only be a very, very good thing. I only hope Key replaces him with someone with balls. Power’s record includes a massive failure over name suppression and a massive failure by stitching up a deal with the red team over the Son of Electoral Finance. He was clearly an agent of the left and I, for one, will be glad when he goes.

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  7. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Good riddance. A silly little country lawyer a light year out of his depth.

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  8. DT (104 comments) says:

    What a shock. A very hard worker who carried a lot of responsibility, and one of the intellectual heavy-weights of the National caucus. Didn’t always agree with him, but he did use reasoned analysis and his positions were always defensible. I hope he isn’t quitting because he has been over-worked, with all of those porftolios.

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  9. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “While in opposition Power was a huge cheerleader for us joining the invasion of Iraq. I’ve never got past that appalling display of judgement.”

    You’re so right. Far better to have left Saddam in charge. And Mubarak, and Gaddafi. Totalitarian dictators over democracy any day. That Simon Power had no damn clue.

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  10. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Now what would really make my day is to see Nick Smith follow suit.

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  11. djg (72 comments) says:

    WO will be beside himself.

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  12. KiwiGreg (3,171 comments) says:

    They’ll never do it but would be a good opportunity to abolish the Law Commisison.

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  13. PaulL (5,873 comments) says:

    [DPF: May just be he has a wife and young kids he wants to see more of]

    Agree – that was what I meant by my point 3 “he has personal or private issues that mean he doesn’t want to do it any more” – not that he had some sort of skeleton or something.

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  14. djg (72 comments) says:

    Maybe he sees a bigger opportunity in the private sector when we privatise some assets.

    He is the SOE minister at the moment, I think.

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  15. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    Good for him. Nothing worse than politicians who hang around long after they have lost all relevance, like Anderton or Goff, because they have no life apart from politics.

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  16. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Good riddance. A silly little country lawyer a light year out of his depth.

    And your stunning contribution to New Zealand?

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  17. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “And your stunning contribution to New Zealand?”

    A totally off topic comment and personal attack. Any demerit points at the ready Mr. Farrar? Or are National Party supporters immune?

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  18. Chris Doms (73 comments) says:

    Shit Redbaiter, you can dish it but you can’t take it. Typical internet hero pussy cat.

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  19. s.russell (1,563 comments) says:

    A stunner indeed. And a big loss: ministers of his ability are a precious asset. I hope that he will contribute to New Zealand’s positive future in other ways after his escape from the asylum. Good luck to him. And thank you, Simon, for your outstanding contribution to our country as an MP and minister.

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  20. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    DT (11.23am) if Power is one of the “intellectual heavy-weights” of the National caucus, their intellectual depth must rival a carpark puddle. Oh, wait a minute…

    s.russell, are you joking? He’s fucked up everything he’s touched.

    My opinion, he’s so far to the left he couldn’t stomach the thought of partial privatisation so he’s chucked his toys. He should just go back to his failing country law practice and get the fuck out of the way.

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  21. Inventory2 (10,099 comments) says:

    @ Bevan (11.44am) – bingo! I had the same thought when I read Redbaiter’s comment. That he compounds it with a response to you merely confirms that you hit the bullseye :-)

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  22. nickb (3,659 comments) says:

    All I can say is thank fuck us taxpaying kiwibloggers are no longer funding this waste of space’s fascist crusades.

    He will go down in history as just another failed politician who made government bigger and took away more of our personal freedoms.

    Good fucking riddance. As bad as Mark Burton and Annette King.

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  23. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    Oh FFS can’t you people tell the difference between an MP and a political commentator? Some people want to become involved directly in the political game, and have principles that are sufficiently fluid that they can survive a decade or more in the political game (not suggesting any particular individual).

    If nothing else, Red was right in that Power *is* a country lawyer a light year out of his depth. Just ask the Whale.

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  24. nickb (3,659 comments) says:

    and i wholeheartedly endorse everthing redbaiter and offshore kiwi have said in this thread.

    Now can we move onto stephen joyce, bill english and others/

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  25. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    All it willtake willbe Willamson, McCully and Tish and the National Party will become the Maori party by default.
    We have left Tau, Simon,and few othe poor calcble people to make a cabinet.
    What a friggin disater
    Good for ACT though.

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  26. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    nickb, my next hope would be bluegreenred Nick Smith. Followed in quick succession by English.

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  27. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    Oh, and I’d also like to see Mr “conflict of interest? What conflict of interest?” Finlayson go as well, but since he’s a scum list MP never elected to anything by anybody, the only way that will happen is if Key goes first and gives the leadership back to English, who can then lead the party to another resounding 80-point defeat.

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  28. jaba (2,089 comments) says:

    I couldn’t belive it when I heard it on the news .. doesn’t look the sort to “have a past” so I will take it that he just wants his life back so good luck to him.

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  29. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    Good riddance. A silly little country lawyer a light year out of his depth.

    You’re too generous. Power, the poor provincial conveyance lawyer, was a galaxy out of his shallow depth.

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  30. BlairM (2,286 comments) says:

    Another victory for people who believe there should be some point of difference between National and Labour. Let’s hope National select someone a bit more laissez faire in his place.

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  31. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    My personal highlight of Simon Power was watching Crusher Collins front the Three Strikes legislation.

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  32. Rex Widerstrom (5,259 comments) says:

    On the one hand he’s championed erosions of our civil liberties in the criminal courts which had the far right cheering; on the other he has, as Offshore_Kiwi notes, been soft on things like negotiating the new look EFA.

    Initially I thought he was probably the most ideologically inconsistent politician I’d ever seen… till I realised it’s simply that there’s not a legal or civil right he doesn’t want to take an axe to, whether it’s our right to be protected from double jeopardy or our right to free speech during an election.

    I don’t think there’s a Minister I’ve ever been so happy to see leave. I sincerely hope the other commenters who are saying he’s out of his depth are right, because the alternative is that a person with ideas that are an anathema to those on which the National Party was founded can get selected, elected, and appointed to a key (in both senses) Ministry.

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  33. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    Rex, ” there’s not a legal or civil right he doesn’t want to take an axe to” got it in a nutshell. The prick would have been right at home in the greens.

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  34. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    Mallard sums it up over @Red Blurt:

    I’ve watched a number of National politicians come and go over the years. Some are not great and some are very good.

    Simon Power is in the latter group. He is reasonable, willing to listen and never breaks his word. He gets things done.

    Not that I always agree with what he does.

    At one stage he was picked to lead the National Party. More recently that seemed a bit less likely mainly because he seemed to lack the mongrel necessary to get the job. He would however have done it well.

    Parliament will be a poorer place without him.

    Need any more be said?

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  35. berend (1,633 comments) says:

    Well well well, could it be because there is a position open for party leader at the opposition benches?

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  36. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Need any more be said?

    Probably not. Those who know him and have connections with what he’s done seem to respect him, those with no power of their own to push their political barrows seem to dislike him.

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  37. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    Simon Power made one big mistake…..when he decided to get into politics he left his glasses at home & signed up with the wrong party.

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  38. bearhunter (859 comments) says:

    For all that the residents here dislike him, he’s popular in his electorate, which is rather more important, I would have thought. He’s certainly been straight up and sincere in any dealngs I’ve had with him and he’s always been happy to shout a round at the pub, too, which is a damn sight more than any other polly I’ve come across.

    And the references to his failing law practice are a bit off, given that he worked for one of the more successful practices in Palmerston North before entering politics…

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  39. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    A totally off topic comment and personal attack. Any demerit points at the ready Mr. Farrar? Or are National Party supporters immune?

    Feel free to use the complaints system if you wish Mr Baiter.

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  40. shoreboy57 (131 comments) says:

    Not my favourite, but there are plenty on both sides I would have rather seen withdraw their noses from the trough first.

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  41. backster (2,076 comments) says:

    In my view he was a fine minister who was not afraid to stand up to the formidable pressure from the Legal Establishment. He advanced sensible and practical reforms. He did things. All his predecessors in the Justice portfolio have been weak non achievers who ignored the plight of victims and advanced as Rex says the rights of the criminals. Perhaps the pressure got too much. I wish him well. While there are no doubt worthy local candidates Stephen Franks grew up in the Rangitiki, is a farmer who would have far more in common with the Rangitiki electorate than Wellington Central, I hope he puts his name forward.

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  42. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    What wonderful news! I echo Rex’s comments entirely.

    He was no intellectual heavyweight, all of his criminal justice ideas were originated by the UK Labour Party.

    Also, by constitutional convention he will not be made a judge. One more small mercy.

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  43. jaba (2,089 comments) says:

    Gooner at 1:10 .. did daffy say when he was leaving?
    if daffy likes him then I’m worried.

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  44. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    F E Smith

    “Also, by constitutional convention he will not be made a judge.”

    Is that because he is/was an MP?

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  45. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    Bruv, that is correct. From memory it has happened twice, most notably Sir Robert Stout, ex-Premier who became CJ. Hasn’t happened since WW2.

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  46. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Let’s hope National select someone a bit more laissez faire in his place.”

    Like who? They’re all lame statist bozos. There’s not one of them there that gives a damn for National’s founding principles. Least of all their leader.

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  47. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    There’s not one of them there that gives a damn for National’s founding principles. Least of all their leader.

    It might sound harsh to many, but RB’s assessment is entirely accurate.

    Today’s National Party has abandoned its founding principles in a vain attempt to be everything to everybody. Embracing socialism by stealth is never a good idea.

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  48. RRM (9,445 comments) says:

    Manolo – why don’t you get elected and do something about it?

    You could start the “Redbaiter and his Seven Internet Bitches Party” along with M’Baiter hisself and the half dozen other lost souls who frequent his blog. Once and for all you could test whether reality really is well to the right of the available NZ political parties, as you keep insisting it is.

    But I suppose if you don’t romp home, all it will prove is that the vast leftist conspiracy includes not only our parliamentarians, but all of the voters as well? :-P

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  49. mattyroo (973 comments) says:

    DPF said:

    Good God I’m stunned

    Allow me to fix that for you DPF; Good God I’m Thrilled.

    There, all better now.

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  50. paws (197 comments) says:

    This poor(power) bastard decided to retire after watching the (inside job) at the oscars.The man has morales, that WAS hone key playing the KEY role. OPPS Mr Farrar NO CAPS were hurt in this post

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  51. mattyroo (973 comments) says:

    RRM, All it will prove; is that 70 years of Welfare State and shrieking shills from the leftist media have indoctrinated the public into a grandiose sense of entitlement and morose attitudes when it comes to fending for themselves.

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  52. orewa1 (428 comments) says:

    Good on him. New Zealand has far more MPs than we can possibly justify, all scurrying around creating noise rather than making progress.

    Guys like Power can do far more for this country’s future from the private sector than in government.

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  53. RRM (9,445 comments) says:

    mattyroo:

    and the public needs – what – someone more enlightened than themselves to show them the correct path and how they should be thinking?

    There’s no-one further left than the extreme right.

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  54. mattyroo (973 comments) says:

    You fool RRM, you’ve just highlighted what I said. The public needs no-one to show them the correct path, what they need is to be left alone, to get on with their lives and make responsible decisions for themselves.

    They do not need any self-appointed enlightment expert “enlightening” them to your green-left-footed-lesbian-liberal ways.

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  55. paws (197 comments) says:

    Simon woke up this morning and thought Damn (i have to break this pack with the devil) i have morals.Simon walked the line

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  56. Rex Widerstrom (5,259 comments) says:

    Gooner says:

    Mallard sums it up…

    Christ, Gooner quoting Mallard approvingly. This is why I see no left / right divide in politics. It’s more an authoritarian “we know best” elite and the rest, amongst which I’m happy to number myself.

    Sure Trevor might not agree with everything Simon does, but both Trevor and Simon do agree that it’s their place to interfere in every damned thing we do, and punish us if we don’t comply. A school teacher and a suburban conveyancer, both born omniscient – or at least far smarter than the rest of us. And the more rabidly “right” or “left” their supporters, the more toward an authoritarian approach they lean.

    The radical idea that the less politicians interfere the better the lawmaker they are seems not to even occur to some people as an option.

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  57. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    There’s no-one further left than the extreme right.

    Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

    Look all through history at extreme right wing governments, and all you have is a list of controlling, big government promoting socialists pretending to be anything but.

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  58. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Sure Trevor might not agree with everything Simon does, but both Trevor and Simon do agree that it’s their place to interfere in every damned thing we do, and punish us if we don’t comply.

    What do you expect – they ARE politicians….

    Geez, next you’ll try and tell us you expect them to be human as well!

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  59. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Ding ding- socialists busy setting up their usual strawman arguments… zzzzz snore….

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  60. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Simon has the respect of many Opposition MPs for his willingness to consult and compromise.”

    One of the many reasons he had to go. No more compromising with the left.

    Power Caves To Labour.

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  61. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    ..and the public needs – what – someone more enlightened than themselves to show them the correct path and how they should be thinking?

    Foolish thinking and demonstrative of a handicapped mentality. Unfortunately, you are not alone.
    No, we don’t need anyone to show us how to think. The smaller the state, the shorter its arm, the better New Zealand will be.

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  62. toad (3,669 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter 6:43 pm

    “Simon has the respect of many Opposition MPs for his willingness to consult and compromise.”

    One of the many reasons he had to go. No more compromising with the left.

    So you want the right (ie your neo-con right) to be politically marginalised forever, ‘baiter?

    Much as I support that, I would not have thought it would be a clever political strategy from you point of view. I suspect that less than 1% of the population of NZ support your agenda. Surely you need some allies you can work out some compromises with.

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  63. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    as opposed to the 7% that support toads agenda. course, if he could, he would claim that 7% was amandate by the people and destroy our nation. course, the green elite would live the highlife.

    anyway, this thread isnt about those nutbars.

    quick question – does the fact that power is a current minister and all his buddies will still be ministers next year make him more valuable in the private sector? a lobbyist by stealth?

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  64. KiwiGreg (3,171 comments) says:

    “The radical idea that the less politicians interfere the better the lawmaker they are seems not to even occur to some people as an option.”

    Sadly too much of the voting public expect politicians to “do something” even when the best and most appropriate response would be to do nothing. Politicians respond to the incentives they are given, even ignoring the fact that they self select to be interfering busy bodies.

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  65. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    You do not compromise on matters of principle Toad, especially when it relates to freedom.

    For example, National’s version of the ETS (that Power developed with Labour’s help) was only a little less intrusive than Labour’s and should never have been enacted. The idea that there should be government imposed restrictions on the amount of money that can be spent in an election campaign is wrong in principle and should not ever be compromised.

    IOW, there should be no restrictions on election spending, and that is a principle that is beyond compromise.

    Get it?

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  66. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Need any more be said?”

    Yep, if Mallard liked him he was no good.

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  67. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Today’s National Party has abandoned its founding principles

    Times change, countries change, founding principles get overtaken by change and reality.

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  68. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I suspect that less than 1% of the population of NZ support your agenda. ”

    That is a misjudgment. Conservatism is the natural political stance of every reasonable man. It is only that the extreme left have succeeded in hiding it in this small island for so many years that it has fallen into disrepair.

    People just need to know about what is real Conservatism, as opposed to the freedom destroying idiocy of the left, and the economic destruction of your own superstitious drivel, and they will flock back.

    Conservatism is the natural position of government for any reasonable man. That is what the Tea Party is all about, and it is today the most powerful force in US politics, as the half term elections showed.

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  69. reid (15,942 comments) says:

    Unlike any other profession a politician operates in the open. Their results are totally exposed and their inner machinations subject to the utmost unpredictable complications. It’s a hard job as Richard Prebble once referred to it.

    I attack politicians all the time not because of what they’ve done but because of what they might do. Once they retire I stop and look at their track record and with Power it’s not yet in.

    So far we know, he was a young man when he entered and has between 29-41 years of age achieved far more than most parliamentarians and has possibly designed more far-reaching changes than Theresa Gattung/Paul Reynolds and Craig Norgate/John Ferrier have combined. His effects in terms of legislation will be felt for decades.

    Let’s see what happens. At the mo, he’s one pension I don’t mind paying for.

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  70. Ross Miller (1,661 comments) says:

    Redbaiter … incisive comments as ever not. Do you enjoy being part of the problem rather than the solution? … bit like Hone, pepetually stuck in grievance mode … and what’s more sad, clearly you the support of about .0001% of unthinking NZrs (Carl Chapman et al).

    Bring back lunatic asylums, patients await (and they are not all on ther ‘left’ of the political divide.

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  71. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    You’re just another example of how hopelessly left wing National are Ross. How can your personal honour allow you to say one thing (as per National’s stated principles) and do another? Your lacl of argument on the substance and your need to attack me in lieu of that argument is another example of your solid leftist mindset, and its a mindset that is duplicated by almost every National Party suppporter posting on this thread.

    The National Party has lost its way, is no credible alternative to Labour and it will be left in no uncertain terms concerning this condition when financial reality hits. That you think denying your principles and remaining popular with a bunch of looters and bludgers is how to govern a country shows yet again how politically morally and ideologically bankrupt the party has become under the guidance of blinkered parochial fools like you, so politically ignorant you can’t tell Authoritarians like Kyle Chapman from Conservatives. Just utterly mind bogglingly gob smackingly hopeless.

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  72. tarrant (35 comments) says:

    contrary to what Simon might like to believe, he does not understand the criminal justice system

    he has adopted UK justice reforms that were implemented 10 years ago and which have utterly failed over there – why do we not learn from overseas experience?

    “for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction” – a principle of physics that applies equally well to the criminal justice system – but Simon doesn’t get it of course – that would require in-depth experience as a criminal litigator and/or meaningful consultation with those who work at the front-line of criminal justice

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  73. reid (15,942 comments) says:

    tarrant if you go down the broken windows route which is to date the only proven over time technique in the entire Western world, all the lefties moan and complain. Personally I’m a big fan of it but politics is the art of the possible, not the art of explaining precisely how you want this to be played out, then having it in fact thus played out, in that precise way.

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  74. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    Rex said:

    The radical idea that the less politicians interfere the better the lawmaker they are seems not to even occur to some people as an option.

    Yes, could not agree more.

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  75. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Conservatism is the natural political stance of every reasonable man.
    Conservatism is the natural position of government for any reasonable man.

    Unreasonable claims by an unreasonable person. Palavery nonsense.

    politics is the art of the possible

    That’s more realistic, but it frustrates the hell out of fringe frothers.

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  76. Rex Widerstrom (5,259 comments) says:

    Given the debate of National’s “principles” and their applicability to the present day, I wonder if anyone has a copy of Barry Gustafson’s “The First 50 years” and might be able to enlighten us as to what they were.

    National has mention of its founding on its website but not why it was founded… just guff from Key et al about what they’re (supposedly) about now.

    I suspect that the motives and intent of the founders of the National Party would indeed be applicable today, if only anyone were to enunciate them in the political marketplace.

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  77. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Bloody wonderful, the dwarf will be making a statement that ACT if they win any seats will not go into coalition with the Nats if they win.
    Hey hories, sign nothing about the fore shore we could do a lot better.

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  78. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    Times change, countries change, founding principles get overtaken by change and reality.

    Yes, the progressives’s perennial argument!

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  79. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Power says it’s a planned career change, that sounds plausible, especially alongside all the fanciful assumptions being made.

    Twelve years in parliament should be long enough for most politicians. And this gives him plenty of time to re-establish a “normal” career.

    Manolo – “we must not change anything, unless it’s something we don’t like” – conservative animal farm ?

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  80. cubit (356 comments) says:

    The left and right extremists who comment ad nauseum from their remote positions on the extreme ends of the political spectrum have much in common. The greatest thing they have in common is that the vast majority of the rest of the people do not inhabit their weird little spaces.

    The overwhelming majority of the population inhabit the middle ground. Some are slightly right of centre and others a little left. However, all have little concern for the rabid comment of those at the extremes. And by the way governments in this country are achieved by capturing that large number of reasonable people who dwell somewhere in the centre.

    The greatest benefit that blogs like this bring is that their extreme views are made public and the average middle earther is aware of their opinions and either feel sorry or concerned at the lack reality of the world that they live in.

    Overall, Simon power is a decent person who has done his bit to make NZ a better place. So, he might not have got it right to everyones expectations all of the time but I would suggest he was close most of the time. You just can’t please all people all of the time.

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  81. Dave Mann (1,168 comments) says:

    I think the ‘principls’ of the National party are similar to the ‘principles’ of the Treaty of Waitangi … … deliberately fuzzy and poorly defined in specific terms but ultimately aimed at gifting the (ex) country of New Zealand to the Maoris by any means possible.

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  82. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Dave illustrates another paranoid conservative farmism: Justice for all….except the bloody natives.

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  83. Dave Mann (1,168 comments) says:

    The bloody natives (as you call them) have never been denied any justice at all. On the contrary, they have been fawned on, masturbated over, worshipped, apologised to and hoisted on a golden pedestal since the 80s and its getting worse by the month. All this bullshit about the ‘poor natives’ has been repeated so often for the last 30 years that people have actually come to believe it, sadly.

    If the Maoris can form a political party based on the false premise that they are owed something by the rest of us, then I have every right to call bullshit on their racist lies and John fucking Key should be ashamed of himself for buying into their crap.

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  84. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    As my old granny used to say, “If you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything”.

    John Key is a prime example of this, but he’s only slightly different from every National government in recent memory. His One Law For All stance prior to the election was the correct one. He’s since been captured by the apartheid movement. His stance on the Emissions Trading Scam prior to election was the correct one – economically-destructive nonsense based on witchcraft. He’s since been captured by the Revered Al Gore and his watermelon cult.

    Cubit, the problem with your argument for “reasonableness” and the “centre” is that 30 years of velvet glove socialism has move the “centre” so far to the left that now any policy that has any remote chance of pulling New Zealand out of its economic death-spiral is immediately deemed “far right”. For the record, there are no “far right” parties in New Zealand. There are not even any “Conservative” parties in New Zealand, and only one that comes close to being “Liberal”.

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  85. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Cubitt is clearly one of those arrogant fools who thinks that because politicians and the media are on favour of a particular political stance that this means that everybody else shares this opinion. The thrust of almost every post I make here is that there is in fact a vast difference between what your average person thinks and what media people and politicians think.

    Cubitt thinks that because he is one of those who agree with the political class, that he represents the people, when in fact he has as little right to that claim as I or anyone else does. In fact, the political class is taking this country where a lot of people do not want to see it taken, and I know that from talking to personal acquaintances and observing comments on blogs and many other sources. I know if from observing the rise of the Tea Party in the US.

    The thing that is most offensive about comment’s such as Cubitt’s is their spiteful and presumptuous tone, provoked one has to assume by outrage at the fact that someone should disturb his self imposed blissful reveries.

    I will continue to disagree with the political class because I see them as a detached from reality clique who share little in fact with the producers and workers of this country. I see them as weak fools who let public opinion polls and the votes of bludgers lead them in their decision making, not as it should be, a set of firm political principles.

    The words of people like Cubitt put me in mind of the Jewish compromisers who said to their comrades concerned with Hitler’s intent, do not worry, everything is fine, Hitler is doing what everybody approves of. We will be OK. Of course what our current crop of politicians are doing is far removed from what Hitler intended, but the outcomes we are facing are still very bad, and I for one do not intend to be like Cubitt and bury my head in the sand and leave the future to a gang of largely incompetent ignorant of history unprincipled vote seekers. Power is just one of those doing us no good.

    We will not be saved from our impending fate unless the grip of the ruling class of media and politicians is broken and we return to small government principles. Cubitt the coward can whine all he likes. I will not be silenced, and I know I am not fringe. This is exactly the argument leftists always use, and they say it about anybody who threaten their political hegemony. They said it about those opposed to climate change. Forces against climate change are on the verge of defeating the pro camp. They said it about those opposed to multi-culturalism. The proponents of multi-culturalism are now renegging on everything they once used to justify their stance.

    They said it about the Tea Party, but that is now the most powerful political group in the USA. Your methodical lies and your methods of distributing them are wearing thin Cubitt. You will be defeated on your support for the socialist status quo as you were defeated on every other issue you similarly falsely claimed to have so firmly in your grasp.

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  86. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Cubitt is clearly one of those ….
    …..
    Cubitt thinks that because…

    Only an arrogant fool would pretend to know what someone else is thinking.

    and I for one do not intend to be like Cubitt and bury my head in the sand

    Then stand the fuck up and be countered, you always rant that your views are held by the vast majority of NZ, so stand the fuck up, register a goddamn party and stand in an election. Or is ranting behind an internet pseudonym the extent of your ability?

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  87. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Bevan is an example of why Kiwiblog is going down the drain. Numerous comments on this thread but not one that addresses the issue and not one that isn’t an expression of childish spite. Farrar is busy handing out demerits to Redbaiter for using the term “fuckwit”, but allows immature children like Bevan to foul his blog with his infantile nonsense because Bevan is a National supporter. If Farrar was applying the rules objectively, Bevan would have 100 demerits on this thread alone.

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  88. RRM (9,445 comments) says:

    The words of people like Cubitt put me in mind of the Jewish compromisers who said to their comrades concerned with Hitler’s intent, do not worry, everything is fine, Hitler is doing what everybody approves of. We will be OK. Of course what our current crop of politicians are doing is far removed from what Hitler intended, but the outcomes we are facing are still very bad…

    THE HITLER CARD!!!

    http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/RRM22/TheHitlerCard.jpg

    Old thread can now die.

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  89. RRM (9,445 comments) says:

    If Farrar was applying the rules objectively, Bevan would have 100 demerits on this thread alone and wah wah wah wah wah wah wah…

    You said you hardly use this left wing sewer anymore (a lie??)… so why do you care?

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  90. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Bevan is an example of why Kiwiblog is going down the drain.

    Get your hand off it. Look in the mirror Mr Baiter – the only offensive tool in here is you.

    Numerous comments on this thread but not one that addresses the issue and not one that isn’t an expression of childish spite.

    Riiiight…. Now lets see, the blog post is about the retirement of Simon Power – hardly an “issue” as you have made out. All my posts so far have been on topic – if not like Ive said: feel free to send an email to David to complain.
    First I queried your contribution to NZ’s society, you opened the window for it with your post that Power is: “A silly little country lawyer a light year out of his depth.” you made it part of the debate. And it is relevant to ask what you have done in comparison – sucks to be you if the answer hurts too much.

    As for my most recent post, its a direct response to your Ad hominem, Godwin inducing rant against someone whose sole crime is daring to offer an opinion other than your own. Next thing you know, and the poor guy is suddenly guilty of enabling the genocide or ww2! Face it, you can’t stand to debate, you have never ever done so in any post you have made on this blog, as soon as someone questions your comment, or attempts to offer a differing opinion to your own, your kneejerk reaction is straight out denigration, name calling and general vile behavior.

    BTW, to log a complaint, send an email to kiwiblogabuse@gmail.com

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  91. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Further to my post at 1:12, it is clear that what enrages the likes of Cubit and Bevan etc is the fact that ordinary people like myself and Off Shore Kiwi and others are through the internet able to break through the ruling class’s grip on opinion and information.

    We are an army of citizens, and we speak out by this means all over the world. We brought down the global warming liars. We brought down the Multi-culturalists. We broke the hold of the fake journalists and their lapdog politicians who have incrementally built a Berlin wall around expression of political opinion. As Cubitt and Bevan attempt to replace the bricks, we tear them down, and the wall is long ago a lost cause and these sad statist morons do not yet know it.

    We will bring down the socialist ruling class as we have brought down every other part of the state the left believed was untouchable. You fools have every right to your rage, but you should keep some in reserve. What you have observed so far is nothing. Its only just beginning.

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  92. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “BTW, to log a complaint, send an email to kiwiblogabuse@gmail.com

    I’m no nark sending cowardly hidden complaints. Never have been never will be.

    Go fuck yourself you dumb cunt.

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  93. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Further to my post at 1:12, it is clear that what enrages the likes of Cubit and Bevan etc is the fact that ordinary people like myself and Off Shore Kiwi and others are through the internet able to break through the ruling class’s grip on opinion and information.

    Oh yes, only you are right, only you know the way. All others are wrong….

    We are an army of citizens, and we speak out by this means all over the world. We brought down the global warming liars.

    Are you about to break out into a rendition of ‘Onward Christian Soldier’? Seriously, find reality and get a grip.

    Mr Baiter, you are nothing but an insignificant little man, ranting and raving about ‘that darned gummint!’ on the Internet, your efforts and actions amount to nothing, never have – never will. You claim to have put an end to a number of things, yet you have no proof – and I doubt anyone but yourself even believes you.

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  94. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Go fuck yourself you dumb cunt.

    Oh such nasty words Mr Baiter.

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  95. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    I have 90 demerits so far and do not even know how most of them were earned. Neither do I care. That Farrar only implements his rules if someone narks and asks him to is a system I find utterly repulsive.

    If I’m going to get demerited for sweet fuck all on such an arbitrary basis, I might as well get some small pleasure from it by telling fucking boring dumb cunts like Bevan and RRM to go fuck themselves. At least then I am aware of where I have transgressed.

    “Oh such nasty words Mr Baiter.”

    Heh heh, well you know what to do you piffling coward. Run off and complain.

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  96. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Hmmm, I have an idea – I might complain about my comments on Redbaiters behalf.

    I might as well get some small pleasure from it by telling fucking boring dumb cunts like Bevan and RRM to go fuck themselves.

    If thats how you get your jollys….

    I’ll try to remember to act offended.

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  97. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I doubt anyone but yourself even believes you.”

    There you go again, speaking for everyone. Get angry Bevan, I like to see you statist cunts expressing your impotent rage. You will not stop us. You’re fucked.

    [DPF: It's no secret that use of the c word will get demerits so I'm afraid you're on holiday having reached 100, with 20 for this]

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  98. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Bevan is happy now. The thread is a disgusting mess, but at least we’re not talking about the main issue anymore in terms that drive Bevan crazy. Always his objective. Like most defenders of the socialist status quo, he’s good at off topic issues, but cannot ever defend his own point of view with coherent argument.

    Its braindead fools like Bevan and RRM who are destroying your blog Mr Farrar. As this thread demonstrates so well.

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  99. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Get angry Bevan, I like to see you statist cunts expressing your impotent rage.

    If you want to make me angry, you’re going to have to try a lot larder.

    You will not stop us. You’re fucked.

    Rest assured, I’m quaking in my boots at the thought of an insignificant jackbooted little loser instigating revolution…

    Mr Baiter, you’re “revolution” could be put down with a plastic fork.

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  100. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Yeah, that’s why you put so much effort into personally attacking and discrediting me on Kiwiblog. As usual with you, any time you attempt to apply any logic, it ends up as an exercise in stark self defeat.

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  101. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    I’m baaaack. Glad to see you’ve been having fun in my absence.

    I think this current conversation started when Red stated that “…Conservatism is the natural political stance of every reasonable man.” And, like moths to a flame, out come the children. Kiddies, it is a simple fact that Conservatism is the natural political stance of all grown-ups. Children need someone to tell them what to do, what to think, how to live. Grown ups, on the other hand, (should) have sufficient knowledge and experience and, in most cases, self-esteem, to (want to) fend for themselves. For most grown ups I know, being told what to do, or what to think, by someone who believes they know best is like waving a red rag in front of a bull.

    Conservatives don’t eat babies or club seals. We simply want the government out of our lives and out of our wallets. We object strongly to having our pockets picked to fund those undeserving fools who have neither the brains nor the motivation to earn their own living (e.g. PhilU – sorry to bring that dickhead into it). We object to being told there is a limit on our involvement in the electoral process. We object to being told that by switching on a light bulb, or by breathing, we are destroying the planet. Ridiculous fairy-tales.

    You leftoid morons constantly whinge on about the “centre” and being “realistic” and “pragmatic”. It is that attitude that has sent New Zealand broke. It is that attitude that has moved New Zealand so far to the left that it is now no longer considered even eyebrow-raising to have 3 and 4 generations of cradle-to-grave welfare in a single family. Where the very thought of winding back something so economically destructive as Welfare For Fuckwits is considered a suicide-wish for any politican.

    We Conservatives may well be in a minority at the moment (or we may not). Either way, there is a tipping point coming. There will be a tax too far. There will be a civil liberty that is stolen from the majority that will be one step too many.

    The fact is (getting back to the original point of this post) that wolves-in-sheeps-clothing like Simon Power have made New Zealand a worse place. In 2008 New Zealanders voted en masse for a change. Not just a change of faces, but a real change. A change of policy. A change of direction. Simon Power has personally overseen the most brazen theft of liberties and freedoms seen in New Zealand in a long time. Removing trial by jury for one example. If I’m accused of a crime, I certainly don’t want some liberal-elite Progressive judge determining my fate; I’ll take 12 Good Men and True any time thanks.

    Liarbore’s Electoral Finance Act was one of the primary reasons they were turfed out. It wasn’t because the reporting limit was too low, it was because they limited New Zealanders’ participation in the electoral process. Simon Power has done exactly the same thing, just not quite so much.

    And that sums up the current National government in a nutshell. Driving the same train, headed for the same socialist destination, but just driving it slightly slower than the communist lesbian and her henchpersons.

    And you’re too fucking stupid, stuck in your welfare-induced comas, to even see it.

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  102. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Yeah, that’s why you put so much effort into personally attacking and discrediting me on Kiwiblog. As usual with you, any time you attempt to apply any logic, it ends up as an exercise in stark self defeat.

    No Mr Baiter, I put hardly any effort into this – you are an easy mark, nothing more than a toxic little fool trying to shout really loud and be as offensive as possible to all and sundry, thinking that will win your debate. You are even easier than philu to make look like a complete idiot.

    Self defeat? On what planet, and in which parallel dimension have you ever beaten me in a debate? The only way possible would be to actually engage one, something you have long shown that you are completely unable to do. Just because you have acted as the most vile and the most abusive does not mean you have ‘won’.

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  103. big bruv (13,279 comments) says:

    Man!!!…did this thread get out of hand.

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  104. Dave Mann (1,168 comments) says:

    Well, Offshore_Kiwi, that was one me the best summaries of the conservative ethos I have read in a long time! Thank you. Now…. what the fuck are we going to do about changing the parlous state that the country is in? Both the major socialist parties have effectively bought the electorate by dishing out handouts to 300,000+ people (using productive citizens’ money) so they are in on real mood to wean themselves off the gravy train. Will it take a revolution to turn this country around, or will everybody with any skills, intelligence and self-reliance have left long before then?

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  105. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    Dave, IMHO New Zealand is whucked. Unless and until there is a bloody conflict, or the last nett contributor sees sense and jumps the flight to Sydney.

    I would have thought the worst economic climate in 100 years in the form of a deep double-dip recession, coupled with massive and expensive natural disaster(s) by way of the Christchurch earthquakes and Pike River, would have brought New Zealanders to their senses. But no, kiwis, having become addicted to welfare by decades of velvet glove socialism, are only interested in ensuring they continue receiving Other People’s Money.

    The most popular peacetime government in New Zealand’s history is not interested in spending any of its political capital in transforming New Zealand from a bankrupt socialist shit-hole into what it could be; high-earning, productive, entrepreneurial gateway to China and the US. Cowards.

    Sheeple leading sheeple. Baaaaaa.

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  106. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    The addiction to welfare money is even worse than to morphine. And, as witnessed in this very blog, it cuts across sectors of NZ society.

    Today, members of the middle-class who can do without it are reluctant to give away their WFF benefit.
    Imagine how difficult it would be trying to remove it in a few years time. Impossible.

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