Two good trends

March 30th, 2011 at 7:49 am by David Farrar

Tracy Watkins in the Dom Post reports:

The figures, to be issued by State Services Minister Tony Ryall, largely relate to the core public service and will show numbers have dropped to about 35,900 from about 38,800 in 2008.

But some parts of the public service are excluded because they are considered frontline. There has been a rise in some occupations, including 1400 more teachers, 1000 more nurses, 500 doctors, and police.

If those numbers are correct, I can’t see Labour getting much traction with their campaign against the changes the Government has made.

Public Service Association national secretary Brenda Pilott said there was no way the Government could cut spending further without cutting services.

The PSA might be correct (obviously at some point, services would be impacted), but the problem for them is that they have made the same claim for the last two years.

He would not say what might fall into the “nice to have” category, but the Government had already chopped things such as community education classes

Oh I had forgotten about those. Remember all the fuss the Oppoosition made about the basket weaving courses no longer being free.

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26 Responses to “Two good trends”

  1. Linda Reid (341 comments) says:

    Possibly, after tax cuts, the best thing this government has done.

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  2. Murray (8,803 comments) says:

    Given that under labour some departments were allowed to bloat out by up to 400%, mostly in administration, these cuts can go a lot further before there’s any risk to the people who actually DO something.

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  3. nasska (12,073 comments) says:

    Here’s hoping Mr Ryall keeps cutting. A good indication of when the cuts have gone far enough will be when no government servant has the time of the day left to interrupt people going about their legal business.

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  4. scrubone (3,097 comments) says:

    If those numbers are correct, I can’t see Labour getting much traction with their campaign against the changes the Government has made.

    You’re assuming that Labour is going to do what National does and hamper itself by sticking to reality.

    Mind, that got Phil in trouble recently.

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  5. RRM (10,096 comments) says:

    Not just basket weaving.

    Some “Learn to speak English now that you live in New Zealand” type courses were cut too, from yesterday’s taxi thread I would imagine kiwibloggers are in favour of those.

    But yeah the civil service is ridiculously bloated, this leftie says slash the internal comms staff and the junior policy analysts and save money for actual services / national debt repayment.

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  6. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    Only 6,000 to go until we are back at 1999 levels.

    I didn’t think that cuts to basket weaving, colour therapy, aroma therapy, crystal therapy and saline nasal inhalation therapy courses would have affected actual public service numbers??? Although it would no doubt have limited the choices for the public service staff training programs.

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  7. bearhunter (822 comments) says:

    But some parts of the public service are excluded because they are considered frontline…

    As a matter of interest (and a genuine question) how many jobs have gone at DPMC?

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  8. Murray (8,803 comments) says:

    What you imagine and reality have never been close friends RRM.

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  9. Rick Rowling (816 comments) says:

    I’d like to see a lot more “communications” positions go.

    When a journo is asking a question of a government department, wouldn’t it be nice if the person who was actually responsible for the decision explained it, rather than hearing the spin from an ex-journo “communications manager”.

    I reckon the first question to any communications manager should be “why won’t X, who made this decision, talk to us about it?”

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  10. BeaB (2,164 comments) says:

    Things can’t be too bad if all Brenda Pilott can come up with is evening classes. Most of us fully supported this as there is no fairness in the taxpayer subsidising some hobbies but not others. For instance cake decorating classes but not gym fees.
    I am pleased there is real scrutiny.
    Even if the savings aren’t enormous, we need to have an efficient, streamlined public service that can deliver services quickly and effectively without being bogged down in layers of expensive bureaucracy.
    I’d like to see more amalgamations for instance – all the rights and complaints agencies (women, family, youth etc etc) under one umbrella if we must have them at all.

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  11. georgebolwing (1,011 comments) says:

    Trend figures for public sector staff numbers can be found here on the SSC’s site:http://www.ssc.govt.nz/display/document.asp?DocID=7929

    It shows that DPM&C had 109 Full-time Equivilent staff in June 2010.

    The trend is as follows:

    2000 112
    2001 94
    2002 103
    2003 105
    2004 110
    2005 114
    2006 106
    2007 109
    2008 106
    2009 101
    2010 109

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  12. Grendel (1,013 comments) says:

    ‘cut community education classes’?

    thats funny, both Tawa college and wellington high recently sent me their schedules for this year.

    all thats happened is that not every course is run just to give people something to do for nothing. you now have to pay for your course and if not enough people enrol to make it financially viable it does not happen.

    So for RRM, if enough people will put their hand in their pocket for ESL courses, they will run.

    Amusing that there is this small but perfect example of a free market in schools of all places :)

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  13. RRM (10,096 comments) says:

    Keep up the good work Murray, you’re winning in your own way. :-D

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  14. MT_Tinman (3,310 comments) says:

    RRM (3,292) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 8:30 am
    Not just basket weaving.

    Some “Learn to speak English now that you live in New Zealand” type courses were cut too, from yesterday’s taxi thread I would imagine kiwibloggers are in favour of those.

    When you stop the infantile imagining you’ll realise that the classes most needed are of the “Learn to Speak English BEFORE you come to NZ” type..

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  15. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    But but but but National put a ceiling on state jobs, and the numbers are below the ceiling! Ask Duncan Garner, he was blustering about it on Monday.

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  16. Murray (8,803 comments) says:

    As long as you keep talking shit and showing the world what a waste of space you are RRM I’m good thanks.

    Tell as about those glorious palestinian freedom fighters again. Remind everyone what an anti-Semitic POS you are. That never gets old.

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  17. Put it away (2,872 comments) says:

    One of the most pointless conversations I’ve ever had was with a leftard who simultaneously believed that

    a) The basket weaving courses were all entirely self-funded from the fees of the participants

    b) The basket weaving courses would all fail if the government cut funding.

    And couldn’t see the logical difficulty…

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  18. Murray (8,803 comments) says:

    “One of the most pointless conversations I’ve ever had was with a leftard”

    Thats really all you need there PIA.

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  19. RRM (10,096 comments) says:

    Remind everyone what an anti-Semitic POS you are. That never gets old.

    Quoted for utter lies. You’re on the angry pills early today?

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  20. RRM (10,096 comments) says:

    Yes Tinman.

    In a make-believe parallel universe where people with inadequate English are not already in NZ, that would be a good solution.

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  21. OTGO (578 comments) says:

    Cuts to the public service are fine but we still have tooooooooo many politicians in parliament. Actually we have too many non performing politicians. If we cut parliament by half and doubled the remaining pollies salary we’d still save money by not having all the hangers on who “supported” the 50% who received the chop.

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  22. somewhatthoughtful (472 comments) says:

    Oh stop dog whistling your retard followers with the basket weaving bullshit. Working people were using night classes mostly to do things like complete NCEA so they can go onto higher education and up skill themselves; national cut that. A tiny spend compared to all the vanity bullshit this govt. spends money on that actually really affected some peoples lives for the better but nah, let’s not look at what works, just be ideological about things and she’ll be right.

    [DPF: Actually the courses which were tied into NCEA such as ESOL tended to keep their funding. It was mainly the recreational courses such as pottery making for pensioners which had funding reduced.]

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  23. OTGO (578 comments) says:

    Actually somewhat 11.14am, in my experience the night classes were being used by bored female retirees as a way of meeting other bored female retirees so they could chat about nothing in particular while their hubbies were at golf or the pub.

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  24. lastmanstanding (1,309 comments) says:

    OTGO The UK has 650 in the Commons for a population of 60 million. We have 122 for a population of 4,2 million.

    If the Uk had the same pollies per citizen they would have 1765 in the Commons.

    Yes thats 1765 pollies in the Commons.

    We only need 40 to 50 at most.

    And as for the civil service. We only need 25000 tops

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  25. bearhunter (822 comments) says:

    Lastmanstanding – agree with much of what you say, but you’re forgetting the Lords, with its 790-odd (often VERY odd) old codgers. So it has about 1340 or so…

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  26. john.bt (170 comments) says:

    Those community education classes worked out at less than $60 per head so why did I have to subsidise them? Two of my favourites were in letters to the Dompost. One was a young woman who was taking sword-fighting classes and then there was an old guy who could afford holidays in Italy but wanted me to subsidise his Italian cooking classes.

    Then there is the Tertiary Education Commission who started culling staff when they hit 450 to get the numbers under 400. This was work that had been done at the Min of Education by about 20 people. And they were probably too many for the work involved. Anything with the word commission in it could probably go.

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