Two interesting profiles

March 27th, 2011 at 3:28 pm by David Farrar

Two interesting profiles in the SST. The first is of aspiring National MP Mark Mitchell:

HE’S HAD violent confrontations with gangs and criminals during 14 years in the New Zealand police force. He’s spent eight years as a top international hostage negotiator, at one point fighting for his life in a five-day siege in Iraq, a story which is set to feature in a movie made by Brad Pitt. He’s built a multimillion-dollar business from scratch.

As he is not a teacher, academic or a unionist I guess he is standing for :-)

So the company set up subsidiary Threat Management Group to take security in-house. As CEO and shareholder, Mitchell grew the company from eight staff to about 500 in the first year.

The quality of their work soon won them top-level contracts, including protecting crucial infrastructures like ports, and keeping supply chains open.

Mitchell also became adept at kidnap and ransom negotiations, dealing with more than 100 hostage negotiations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Darfur.

If Mitchell does become an MP and eventually a Minister, then I’d say make him Associate Finance Minister in charge of bilateral vote negotiations. His background in ransom negotiations should serve well!

Also a profile on current Green MP Kevin Hague:

Then in 1980 he was arrested during an anti-sexism protest at a Miss New Zealand beauty pageant; a moment he states is his “most embarrassing political moment”.

“I ended up in a police paddy wagon with a group of women who wouldn’t speak to me,” he laughs. “They were all lesbian separatists.”

Heh that is very funny.

In the late 1980s he headed the Aids Foundation, before moving to Greymouth with his partner, Ian, and his son, Thomas, to take on a role as the general manager of planning and funding for the West Coast District Health board, before becoming the board’s chief executive.

This is one thing that makes me respect Hague – he does actually have significant management experience. Becoming a DHB CEO is no small thing.

Hague said he had never been the target of taunting over his sexual orientation since entering the halls of parliament in 2008.

The same, he said, couldn’t be said for other gay MPs, citing “prejudice” directed at Attorney-General and Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Chris Finlayson.

“Trevor Mallard, and also Clayton Cosgrove, refer to Chris Finlayson as `tinkerbell’. And I f—ing hate it,” Hague said. “That sort of overt taunting as a `fairy’, it is nothing other than prejudice. I don’t like that culture of abuse.”

Good on Hague for calling them out for it.

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61 Responses to “Two interesting profiles”

  1. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    I didn’t even know Finlayson was gay. So there you go.
    Then there’s those MPs who court discrimination, like Chris Carter.

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  2. jaba (2,095 comments) says:

    Hague is gay .. you are kidding. I suppose that means we can’t take the piss out of him anymore

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  3. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    gazzmaniac @ 3.32pm

    Since Finlayson has effectively sold out the right of 85% of New Zealanders to take their kids to the beach his gayness or otherwise pales into insignificance.

    [DPF: Sigh - read the law. Access to the beach is unaffected]

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  4. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    More good news. If the Melons jump back into bed with the pinko’s then the bed sheets are likely to get very messy. Wheel out Trevor with more tinkerbell comments and there could be more feisty cuffs in the corridors of our esteemed institution of parliament. Delightful, can’t wait.

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  5. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    I think the moniker Tinkerbell describes Finlayson very, very well.

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  6. jaba (2,095 comments) says:

    DPF .. I will make no comment on the Sea Bed thing until:
    1/ I pop down to the beach and some clown tries to charge me (I have access for a fee)
    2/ the shit fights start over IRONSAND mining

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  7. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    DPF

    I’m aware that the bill as passed allows for public access but it is only about 72hours old & already the Maori are screaming that it doesn’t go far enough. The Maori Party have already said that the matter will have to be revisited.

    In the circumstances I reckon it is reasonable to look at the Act as the thin end of the wedge.

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  8. 3-coil (1,204 comments) says:

    “Tinkerbell” was the favourite taunt of Michael Cullen (when he was deputy leader of the NZ Labour Party/deputy Prime Minister) towards gay members of the National Party.

    Cullen was the champion of gutter politics, and his meathead followers like Trev Mallard and Plughead Cosgrove are so bereft of intelligence and wit that all they can do is ape Cullen’s pathetic attempts at character assassination – but really they just reveal what a bunch hypocritical morons the Labour Party is made of.

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  9. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    Look, let’s be entirely clear.

    I think the Coastal and Marine Bill is a disgrace. But it has nothing to do with the beach. At least get that right, please.

    The beach is next. That’s pretty clear from Turia and Sharples’ comments.

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  10. Blue Coast (165 comments) says:

    While Hague was in charge of the Coast DHB you may recall they needed numerous bailouts to pay the bills. I for one would not claim he has valid business experience when he spend all his time cap in hand to Uncle for more funds.

    The Coast DHB has something like 110 cars for a small outfit covering approx. 38k people. FFS

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  11. hj (6,732 comments) says:

    “if we want to improve the health of Maori, what we actually have to do, is honour the treaty of Waitangi” [thunderous applause]
    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/07/04/kevin-hague-green-candidate-number-7/

    Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the Green Party
    Kevin Hague

    2008/8/29

    You don’t have to look very deeply within the Green Party to see that one of the values that unites us all is an absolute commitment to integrity – both personal and collective. Every aspect of our processes, our policies and our behaviour as Greens testifies to a fundamental commitment to acting in ethical ways.

    The principles of the Green Party Charter are an embodiment of our collective commitment to values like honesty, fairness and respect for one another and for the planet.

    Our Charter also explicitly accepts Te Tiriti o Waitangi as the founding document of this country, recognising Maori as Tangata Whenua. Part of the public discussion that has followed from the recent arrests in Ruatoki and elsewhere citing anti-terrorism laws has been an assertion of Tuhoe’s “sovereignty”. The sense of consternation from some quarters that has greeted this assertion must remind us that this preamble to our Charter is not just a form of empty words but rather a commitment to principle that demands our action.

    We are moving into a new phase of the collective national discussion about the Treaty, and as Greens we have a responsibility both to be an active and ethical voice in that discussion but also to work to equip others to participate in that discussion from an informed and principled basis, rather than sheer short term self interest.

    Discussion to date has focused on the return of usually a small fraction of those resources unfairly taken from Maori as reparation, on reducing inequalities and on the rights of Maori as an ethnic and cultural minority with a threatened language and culture. While some of these issues have been addressed in part through the deliberations of the Waitangi Tribunal, these issues are, in fact, largely unrelated to the Treaty. If there were no Treaty, as there is not in a number of other societies around the world, these would all still be issues that would need to be addressed in a fair and just society.

    The phase of the discussion that we now need to move into is one that that focuses on Maori status as the indigenous people of this country and on the actual content of the Treaty: a statement of the terms and conditions for the presence of non-Maori. The Maori right to self-determination pre-dated the Treaty and was not altered by it. What is at issue in understanding the Treaty are the rights of non-Maori.

    Let us be clear that the meaning of the Treaty must be determined from the Maori text. Those writers of angry letters to the editor who cite the plain cession of sovereignty of the English text and declare “game over” in fact ignore the law, which makes it the responsibility of the party offering a contract to ensure that the party accepting it fully understands it. If disputes arise, interpretations of the contract are to be made according to the understanding of the accepting party rather than the party that drew up the contract.

    This means that the Maori text of the Treaty, and the explanations of the meaning of the Treaty given to Maori before signing, determine the Treaty’s meaning, and the English text is essentially irrelevant. At the heart of this deal, the “tino Rangatiratanga” of Maori would be respected by the British Crown and Maori would have all the right of British subjects, in return for a cession of “kawanatanga”. Kawanatanga was a made up word, based on “kawana” (for Governor). Maori were familiar with this new word because it was the Maori word that had been coined to describe the role of Pontius Pilate in the translation of the Bible. Explanations given to Maori at the time of signing emphasised the role of this kawanatanga in curbing the excesses of Pakeha settlers and protecting Maori. In contrast the Biblical use of Rangatiratanga had been to describe the Kingdom of God.

    It is plain that sovereignty was not ceded by the Treaty, but rather Pakeha were given a basis for establishing government (of Pakeha). No wonder the historical record is of Maori disillusionment and anger since.

    Obviously the case can be argued in much more detail than this, but this is the essence. A typical response from Pakeha at this point is to dismiss this as all in the past, and assert the need to simply move on from where we are now, doing our best to achieve equity of outcome for all citizens, whose rights are to be assumed identical.

    As Greens, this is precisely what we cannot do. Such a position is unprincipled and unethical. Our responsibility is instead to grasp the nettle and, trusting to our integrity and to our belief in ethical process, to work through what a balance of Maori Rangatiratanga and Tauiwi Kawanatanga might mean in a modern society.

    Nineteenth century colonisation worked pretty well the same way the world over: a beach-head of traders and missionaries was established and stalling tactics like treaties used to negotiate a safe space for the colonisers while numerically fewer. The coloniser then increased military strength until it had superiority (sometimes misjudging this, or almost doing so, in fact), at which point the treaties could be set aside and power secured by force.

    In our determination to breathe life into our Charter’s commitment, guilt and hand-wringing are unhelpful. Our particular contribution must be a resolute determination to do what is right and our toolbox of Charter principles that equips us to step into a leadership in this new discussion. Now’s good.

    This article was printed in Te Awa, the Magazine of the Green Party of Aotearoa.

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  12. scanner (340 comments) says:

    By the time Hague had finished with the West Coast DHB it was a shambles, the best thing that ever happened was his being made list scum.
    He couldn’t organise a root in a knock shop, even one full of poofters, this guy actually thinks that the rainbow shines out from under the back of his own shirt.

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  13. hj (6,732 comments) says:

    Kevin Hague:
    One of jh’s themes has been dis-satisfaction with the Green Party for not being specific about the outcomes of our policy in relation to the Treaty. “What, specifically, will this country be like if we go down this course?”. It’s a question I have heard many times over the years, and it usually speaks from a position of fear and insecurity for Pakeha: what if I’ll be worse off? or even what if there’s no place for me?

    I want to acknowledge that actually we are asking people to do something (and we are doing it too) quite different from what we usually ask with our policy. Normally we have a very clear idea of the outcome we are seeking, and establish a policy to reflect how we will get there.

    But the Treaty is different. The words all have the potential to sound pretty hammy, but fundamentally the outcome being sought is a process: the process of absolute good faith negotiation, in which we Pakeha engage from a position of honour – acting ethically and morally.

    That process involves courage because we don’t know the outcome (and because we know we have it pretty sweet just how things are, let’s be honest). It is pretty scary, but it’s also pretty damn exciting!

    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/05/03/my-speech-at-blackball-2010/

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  14. Coaster (6 comments) says:

    Blue Coast

    Yes they do have a lot of vehicles.

    Do you think the District Nurse in Karamea should pop down to Greymouth to take a car out on calls? It’s only about 200km each way so that shouldn’t take long.

    Same goes for Haast, but that’s over 300km each way.

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  15. hj (6,732 comments) says:

    It got pretty damn exciting in Uganda when the indigenous people expelled all the Asians and it’s getting hot over there for gays too.
    …..
    the greens have discovered that indigenous societies have all the answers for a complex world.

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  16. starboard (2,492 comments) says:

    “In the late 1980s he headed the Aids Foundation, before moving to Greymouth with his partner, Ian, and his son”

    aw pleeeease..Im tryin to eat my dinner…

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  17. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    The Coast DHB has something like 110 cars for a small outfit covering approx. 38k people. FFS

    The West Coast DHB is also the most spread out DHB in the country.

    …ignore the law, which makes it the responsibility of the party offering a contract to ensure that the party accepting it fully understands it.

    In that case, there is also an argument that the British government didn’t fully understand the native version.

    A typical response from Pakeha at this point is to dismiss this as all in the past, and assert the need to simply move on from where we are now, doing our best to achieve equity of outcome for all citizens, whose rights are to be assumed identical.

    I’d prefer equality of opportunity not outcome, thanks. I also feel obliged to point out that most if not all maoris are made up of more dirty white coloniser blood than pure maori blood.

    The coloniser then increased military strength until it had superiority (sometimes misjudging this, or almost doing so, in fact), at which point the treaties could be set aside and power secured by force.

    You forget that many tribes fought on the side of the settlers.

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  18. Viking2 (11,275 comments) says:

    HE’S HAD violent confrontations with gangs and criminals during 14 years in the New Zealand police force. He’s spent eight years as a top international hostage negotiator, at one point fighting for his life in a five-day siege in Iraq, a story which is set to feature in a movie made by Brad Pitt. He’s built a multimillion-dollar business from scratch..

    Oh shit. Another Ross Meurant.
    Oh and by the way so did Brad Shipton, he just settled for local politics.

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  19. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    starboard said “aw pleeeease..Im tryin to eat my dinner…”

    A diet of garlic and napalm, sprinkled with broken glass?

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  20. starboard (2,492 comments) says:

    Rodders , obviously you havent been told today?

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  21. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Just wondering what makes you hate homosexuals so much?

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  22. starboard (2,492 comments) says:

    Its a disgusting habit Rod..wallowing in sewage?..c’mon , its just not the thing to be doing. Are you a homosexual Rod ? Do you enjoy wallowing in sewage ?

    [DPF: 20 demerits.]

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  23. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    Piss off Starboard

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  24. Fisiani (993 comments) says:

    Charging for access to the beach is illegal.
    Do people sometimes do illegal things? Duh Yes. Ever broken the speed limit?
    If some idiot tries to charge for access then just call the police. The police are pledged to uphold the law.

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  25. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    @starboard -the answer is “no, thank you” to both questions.

    I guess you have nothing against lesbians, then?

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  26. Blue Coast (165 comments) says:

    gazz yawn

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  27. starboard (2,492 comments) says:

    Lesbianism is not natural either Rod…mind you I wouldnt mind being stuck between a couple eh! eh !

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  28. starboard (2,492 comments) says:

    Gazz mate , if I want to hear from an arsehole I’ll fart ok?

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  29. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    Starboard, if I want to listen to a dick I’ll go to parliament.

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  30. starboard (2,492 comments) says:

    wow!!!!!!!! awesome comeback Gazz. Good on ya.

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  31. Dexter (282 comments) says:

    “Another Ross Meurant.”

    The only similarity with Meurant is that they both once shared the same career although on entirely different paths and times. It’s actually rather insulting and defamatory to compare the two, unless you know something nobody else does?

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  32. Viking2 (11,275 comments) says:

    Get over yourself Dexter. I may just think Meurant was a good guy. Maybe you don’t Its a matter of opinion and you are not the arbitrator of opinions.

    The National Party have a proven track record of not picking the right people as evidenced by people like Meurant, Rogers and many more so a cynical person like myself thinks it wise to assume that they could continue to do so. That he built a business and did a lot of negotiating is no different to Shipton who did the same until he was nailed down.
    The day I believe a party political broadcast is a long way off.

    As a matter if interest I only ever met Shipton twice and both times he made my skin crawl.

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  33. David Garrett (6,774 comments) says:

    DPF: if you REALLY believe that this crazy Foreshore and Seabed Act (to call it what everyone actually does, rather than the bullshit name they dreamed up) won’t prompt an epidemic of Maori thugs trying to charge for beach access, you aren’t as smart or as worldly – as I thought you were. It was aready happening – in the far North particularly – well before this madness passed into law.

    Kevin Hague is a good guy. When ACT were the only party in parliament to oppose the repeal of the defence of provocation – and were vilified across the House for it – I recall Hague making a speech in which he praised our sincerity and decried any notion that were defending the “gay panic” defence. That was not an easy thing for a Green to do. As he says, he DOES always play the ball and not the man.

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  34. Tauhei Notts (1,650 comments) says:

    Fisiani at 6.38 p.m.
    How bloody ignorant are you?
    I have blogged on this site so many times, but fudge packers like you cannot comprehend it.
    The precedent has been set at Mount Tarawera where a racist minority charges exorbitant sums for people, unlike you, people who are actually humans, to visit the site of one of history’s most recent volcanic explosions.
    This Foreshore and Seabed legislation has opened an ugly door for so much of that dreadful behaviour to continue.
    But, if I had my snout in firmly in the trough of the Maori aristocracy, I would agree with everything that comes from your pathetic mind.
    The passing of that legislation is a blight on the history of John Key. I think it is a rude awakening; Key knows that with Hide as the leader of Act, that the only credible alternative to National is phucked.

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  35. David Garrett (6,774 comments) says:

    Oh I forgot…”if that happens all you need do is call the police?” Puh-leeze….they dont have the resources to come to burglaries in the city FFS, they are unlikely to be able to send a car to some isolated beach because of group of standover men is asking for a koha so a family can go for a swim…

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  36. Viking2 (11,275 comments) says:

    That’s all right David, they will call the new tough man that they are putting into Rodney. He will scoot up the beach and sort them out.

    ” Forgive them Father for they now not what they have done” I think is an appropriate explanation.
    Shallow thinking.

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  37. Christopher Thomson (376 comments) says:

    Kevin Hague. Is that the same Green Party MP that ws caught out on this very blog not so long ago telling lies? And then justified it by saying that although he was lying he was doing it for a good cause.

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  38. David Garrett (6,774 comments) says:

    Unaware of that….lying about what??

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  39. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Hague was bulshitting some stats to justify a green position and did the ,, sorry but my lying was good because we need people to be aware etc… it was a couple of weeks ago.

    Pretty sad when you have to pad out the CV by mentioning your arrests anyway.

    Act and NZ First need to stop the shit stirring about the foreshore, its just scare mongering for votes coming up to November. …. get the oldies abit scared and then some drunken narcissist will make it all better ,very very sad.

    Of course there willl be incidents, there always are. The misguided are usually used by the politically motivated to get some publicity just like commentators here pushing the party agenda to whip a few votes using fear and ignorance, and when there is an incident the rabid on here will shout that the world is ending and then…………….. in six months times nobody will give a toss.

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  40. pdm (842 comments) says:

    “I ended up in a police paddy wagon with a group of women who wouldn’t speak to me,” he laughs. “They were all lesbian separatists.”

    How many of those Lesbians are now Labour MP’s or in other high ranking public service positions?

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  41. Shunda barunda (2,966 comments) says:

    Hague was bulshitting some stats to justify a green position and did the ,, sorry but my lying was good because we need people to be aware etc… it was a couple of weeks ago.

    I think it would be fairer to say that Kevin failed to do his homework on that issue and quoted incorrect facts, lying on the other hand is an attempt to deliberately deceive and I don’t think that was Kevin’s intention.
    He also fronted up on this blog pretty quickly when the error was revealed which is more than most left wing politicians would ever do.

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  42. Nookin (3,178 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay
    You are right. He was quoting statistics to show that NZ ranked high on the world list of eco-vandals but forgot to verify his statistics. Didn’t he include pre-european burnoffs? Lying or reckless? Who knows.

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  43. David Garrett (6,774 comments) says:

    :PaulEastBay: Are you a betting man? If so I will wager ….what you reckon…$50? that by this time next year there will have been half a dozen assaults reported in the media resulting from people refusing to pay koha (of whatever kind) demanded by Maori to go on “their” beach….

    Since you don’t use your real name, if you wish to accept the wager you’ll have to suggest how we connect in the real world….

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  44. hj (6,732 comments) says:

    I think Kevin Hague is a well meaning air-head (like Nandor Tancoz). Delaunty, Turie and grinning Clendon are less well meaning air-heads. None of them believes in representative democracy.

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  45. hj (6,732 comments) says:

    The Greens have a Green Party without chlorophyll.

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  46. David Garrett (6,774 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay: sorry, I seem to have inadvertently inserted some inane symbol in lieu of the “P” in your name…

    hj: you are absolutely right…Delahunty is an reconstructed communist of the worst kind, and Clendon is one of those clowns who wishes they had 50% instead of 5% Maori blood…as an aside, when mad Delahunty sprinkes her speeches with te reo, Hone could hardly conceal the contempt and derision on his face…he quite clearly regards the Greens as the same kind of useful idiots Lenin thought trade unionists were….

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  47. hj (6,732 comments) says:

    [DPF: Sigh - read the law. Access to the beach is unaffected]
    …..
    It would seem so on the surface. However since we have now half admitted that the beach is theirs and they can for various (Maori- it’s their tikanga)) reasons we can’t be sure – dangerous?

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  48. Paul Williams (877 comments) says:

    David Garrett said:

    Since you don’t use your real name, if you wish to accept the wager you’ll have to suggest how we connect in the real world….

    David, you’re kidding right or are you that self-deluded? Surely there’s a period when fraudsters avoid public debate; I don’t think yours is finished yet.

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  49. Maggie (674 comments) says:

    David Garrett, if you do a little research regarding the phrase “useful idiots” you will find some interesting results.

    1) There is no evidence Lenin ever said it. It does not appear in any of his works and the first time it was ever quoted was in 1948, well after his death.

    2) The phrase was not a description of trade unionists, but of Western communist sympathisers in general. Many of these were members of the British aristocracy, particularly in the 1930s and 40s, hardly likely to be union sympathisers.

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  50. MrHappy (70 comments) says:

    David Garrett – I’ll take your bet! I’ll make it an even $100 that by April 2012 there haven’t been six assaults on beaches by Maori against others for refusing to pay koha. I’ll provide my email address when you accept the terms of the bet.

    MrHappy

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  51. David Garrett (6,774 comments) says:

    Mr Happy: the lawyer in me is only cautious to the extent that I think we need to agree on “who decides whether an ‘incident’ has occurred?” It would have to be something reported in the paper I guess. Having met DPF couple of times, I would accept him as arbitrator. If he accepts that role, I accept your wager on the terms set out above. If DPF doesnt wish to get involved, suggest someone else.

    Paul Williams (or whatever your real name is): It is 27 years since I committed forgery to fraudulently obtain a passport. If I had committed murder I would have been released long ago.

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  52. Paul Williams (877 comments) says:

    David, I don’t use a nome de plume (I have in the past and there are reasons people do in online communities, not all are unreasonable).

    It might be 27 years since your forgery, however only recently have we learned of it and in that instance, I don’t think you can credibly question someone for not using their name on a blog. I’m not sure your judgment is very sound.

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  53. minto57 (197 comments) says:

    So the overt influence of homosexuals continues

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  54. Ryan Sproull (7,060 comments) says:

    So the overt influence of homosexuals continues

    Eclipsing the overt influence of heterosexuals any second now, I’m sure.

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  55. minto57 (197 comments) says:

    Parliament fails to represent the people of New Zealand.
    MMP has enabled the unelectable to gain emtry to the treasury benches so they can persue their minority agenda at the expense of the majority.
    I no longer have any faith in the corrupted political process in NZ as demonstrated by the hated Seabed and Foreshore.
    In lot ways this bill was trojan horse to allow the existing private titles to be cemented in place with a option of more being added.

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  56. David Garrett (6,774 comments) says:

    Paul Williams: a bit of twisting there my boy…I dont give a rats what you or anyone else calls themselves -…I was responding to your slap which basically said that because of actions in my distant past I shouldnt dare show my face here (or anywhere)

    I paid a heavy price for my foolishness 27 years ago… but as a person who was recently in parliament and “knows [some of] the players” and what influences and drives them, I believe I have something to add to debate. If you disagree, then don’t engage with me…I dont give a rats about that either.

    As for my judgment, I unreservedly accept that 27 years ago it was very poor.

    And for the record, I accept that is your real name, but have no idea who you are or what position you occupy.

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  57. john.bt (170 comments) says:

    Is Tinkerbell the Attorney General who does not understand what ‘conflict of interest’ means ?

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  58. Chuck Bird (4,765 comments) says:

    Paul, read you blog and I think you are a left wing hypocrite. David has not harmed anyone unlike Keven Hague who this thread is about by spreading misinformation about HIV.

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  59. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    What misinformation has Kevin Hague spread about HIV?

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  60. MrHappy (70 comments) says:

    David Garrett: DPF is now emailed with all of my details, hope he accepts the auspicious role as arbiter of an internet bet. If not, I’ll see if I can think of anyone else. Will report upon receiving a reply from him.

    MrHappy

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  61. Chuck Bird (4,765 comments) says:

    “What misinformation has Kevin Hague spread about HIV? ”

    About the effectiveness of condoms. Condoms are not very effect for multiple sexual partners involving anal intercourse. The lie that they are has killed people including some innocent partners of closet bisexuals.

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