Why must John Key’s response to the greatest issues facing industrial civilisation, be to stick his head in the sand (peak oil – leave it to the market) or offer meaningless platitudes (AGW – we’ll do something about it in 30 years). It’s just not good enough. Within 3 years, if we aren’t there already, we are going in to a long-term energy price crunch, which will kill economic growth. This will mean fundamental changes to society and politics here and around the world. Where is the public debate about it. I have no doubt what so ever that the Nats have a set of contingency plans that we aren’t being told about. Even the US Military and the International Energy Agency are saying that peak oil is a reality, so Key will be well aware of the issues. One does worry, with National’s penchant for authoritarian legislation, destroying civil liberties and human rights, that the response to the inevitable social calamity will be one of repression, plus good old conservative divide and rule. New Zealand’s jurnos are giving Key a free pass on this, and are helping Key deliver us into a quagmire. Unfortunately, it will not be Key and the journos who pay the price for our lack of action.
It is the coward’s response to stick their head in the sand when faced with tough realities. I, with the US military, deal in real-world pragmatism. The ship of state is in trouble Manolo. Don’t just stand there with you finger in your pie-hole, you lolly-gagging dupe. Help us bail, or get the fuck off the boat.
Speaking of 30 years. Since 1979 to date, CO2 has risen from 300 parts per million to 390 parts per million. (source Mauna Loa Observatory)
Yet the worlds average global temperature is today the same as it was in 1979 (source RSS and UAH data)Up and down of course but essentially we are back to where we were 30 years ago.
So if CO2 has increased, why hasnt the temperature? Where is the warming?
Real world pragmatisim.
That means the great south basin, the area being explored by Petrobas off East Cape, the Southland lignite field, open casting the Pike river coal field and the Mokau Coal field, and nuclear power.
AOR – reality, from the smallest sub-atomic particle, to the largest of super-clusters, operates according to inter-dependant oscillating cycles. We don’t live in a linear universe. In all natural systems there are cogs within wheels. There’s the solar-flare cycle (which is due to start heating us up again soon, and the non-linear feedback loop of atmospheric water. You just don’t seem to understand the realities at play here.
Suppose that your conjecture happened to be proved right & the effects of peak oil were closer than originally thought. I, & I suspect a majority of New Zealanders, will not be after JK’s blood nor that of the National or even past Labour governments.
Instead we will be looking for the hides of the wretched conservationists & the Greens. It is them & them alone who over the past three decades have opposed every effort made to make NZ self sufficient in energy needs. Their ceaseless brainwashing of children & the uneducated unwashed has created a climate where it is political suicide to make the hard decisions needed.
We will be the only nation on earth to sit cold & hungry above vast quantities of coal, oil & natural gas because of a pack of Luddites deeming a few snails to be of greater value than their fellow citizens.
Do the idiot glove puppets of the opposition(sic) and the equally idiotic and shallow MSM who were shrilling about a working manager of NZ inc using a Helicopter owned and operated by a wholly owned subsidiary to travel between Hamilton and Auckland, have any meaningful comment or analysis of the number of Journalists and “media stars” who have traveled to the other side of the world to cover a wedding between a man who may never have any constitutional or citizenship links to NZ and an almost unknown woman from provincial England in a big church in London. An event that will be reported and analysed to the nth degree by many locals and available for transmission for very minimal cost.
“the non-linear feedback loop of atmospheric water. ‘
The feedback from water vapour to the extent of 3 to 1 (to create the 2-3 degrees extra warming)has yet to be observed.We all know CO2 is a greenhouse gas and creates warming (.6 to 1.2)but the amplification and forcing from water vapour is not happening- except in computer models of course..
YOU dont understand the science
“… These studies suggest that people who have more lax personal morality may endorse conspiracy theories to a greater extent because they are, on average, more willing to participate in the conspiracies themselves.”
… The reasons people persist in believing conspiracy theories — even when there is overwhelming evidence debunking them — have long been debated by psychologists. One credible theory contends convincing ourselves of conspiracies allows us to avoid acknowledging the terrifying arbitrariness of life
… In some cases, they argue, belief in conspiracies is a matter of psychological projection — that is, the tendency to apply one’s own attitude to others.
“We do not argue that projection alone explains why people believe in conspiracy theories,” the researchers caution, but these findings point to a potent psychological mechanism that helps explain why some rumors refuse to die.
The theme of the conspiratorially-minded television series The X-Files was “trust no one.” Perhaps it should be amended to read: “Trust no one — especially devoted fans of The X-Files.”
– Tom Jacobs
Maybe I gave this item undue consideration, because as I read it, Winston Peters was on the radio propounding his theory on Brash’s [therefore National's sneaky] attempt to take over ACT
Nasska – so your response to the issue of non-renewable energy depletion is to burn it faster? You think energy-starved behemoths like China and the US are just going to stand by and let us keep all our under-ground goodies to ourselves? We will be leaving them underground. If not, we will be selling them on the international market for cheap, or we will face having them taken off us. Our primary energy future lies in geothermal technology and hydro electric. Our infrastructure needs to be re-designed with this in mind.
Too continue …… Massive investment in such infrastructure needed to start 5 years ago. We are quickly sinking into a hopeless situation, where the energy recession completely dries up investment capital, making it much harder to secure our energy future.
Here we go again… http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4931112/Baby-girl-critically-hurt
This time a 6 month old baby girl critically hurt in Ngaruawahia..poor kid.
Now folks…lets guess the colour of this little girl?
What is it about these people that make them act like savages?..Is it the white mans fault?… Have we torn them away from their cultural heritage which obviously includes baby bashing.
Question. What evidence do you have that the energy is not renewable?
Seems we have more oil now than before and there is a theory around that suggests the earth is continually making more oil.
Not implausable I would have thought.
Personally I would be more concerned about oxygen depleteion which goes hand in hand with increasing CO2.
Thgat was the original green argument for saving forests which seems to have morphed into taxation via things like the ETS using the global warming scam.
The “I’m offended” game continues. The delicate creatures are so precious!
TVNZ says a newsreader’s use of the term “fag” while discussing equestrian rider Mark Todd’s personal life was unintentional and not used to offend. But members of the gay community said they found presenter Peter Williams’ remark during the Breakfast show offensive – whether it was intentional or not.
While commenting on Todd’s win in the Badminton Horse Trials, Williams said: “Some of Mark Todd’s personal habits frankly don’t lend to being … he’s had the odd fag over the years, hasn’t he?”
Co-newsreader Corin Dann, giggling, asked: “What did you just say?”
Williams replied: “Cigarette, I meant.”
TVNZ spokeswoman Megan Richards said the comment from Williams and any innuendo was accidental and not malicious.
“What evidence do you have that the energy is not renewable?”
FFS! We were talking about friggin hydrocarbons. These are a finite resource at our current rate of consumption, unless you subscribe to abiotic oil theory, which is about as sane as the idea that global warming is a mass climate-scientist conspiracy.
Your second sentence had me agreeing with you. Fortunately you came to my rescue & reverted to form for the rest of the comment.
What difference if we use it in the near future or dig it up & utilise it now if as you acknowledge it is likely to be taken from us by military or economic invasion? Extending the hypothesis the more we use now the less open we are to takeover later.
The Greens will not let us dam rivers so where is the extra hydro capacity coming from? More geothermal utilisation will put our tourism industry at risk i.e. no geysers or mudpools.
If anything will keep the world operational it will be new technology. The problem is that we have to stay alive until it is developed.
Yes Megatron it’s clearly the fault of the evil White Colonials. But don’t worry, you can be absolved of your blood guilt through financial compensation…. That 600 million-odd the taxpayer is going to pump into ‘saving’ Te Reo will surely stop such horrific things from happening again.
“TVNZ says a newsreader’s use of the term “fag” while discussing equestrian rider Mark Todd’s personal life was unintentional and not used to offend”
Peter Williams supposed accidental slip is, in my opinion, more offensive than Paul Henry’s Sheila Dikshit comment.
Will the gay community put pressure on TVNZ to dismiss Peter Williams?
This will be interesting to watch.
“Extending the hypothesis the more we use now the less open we are to takeover later”
oh – yeah ‘cos that’s real practical given we will have to pay for it all in carbon offset costs any how. Time to start looking forward rather than backward. If we do become some kind of vassal state, we are truly screwed in any case.
Btw – it would take 20 years for us to make any sort of meaningful dent in our dirty lignite reserves – too late. Maybe that’s why Brownlee called coal “sexy”? he likes it dirty.
Sofia – That’s an interesting aspect on conspiracy theories. Philu is like PennyB, there are often gems tucked amongst the fool’s gold but it can be tiresome digging for them.
Re “conspiracy theories”, too many people on Kiwiblog (and elsewhere) apply the label wrongly. People who, because they can’t cope with, don’t like, disapprove of, or fear a certain scenario – deal with it by dismissing it as a “conspiracy theory”‘ At the same time the person writing about that scenario is denigrated, usually as a tin foil hat wearing nut job. Rarely (if ever) is the actual scenario itself debated let alone disproved with evidence to support this approach.
Here is an accurate definition of a Conspiracy Theory:
Conspiracy theory was originally a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal, or political conspiracy. However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning.
This tactic of ad hominem proves nothing and often adds merit to the opposite viewpoint. I believe if you can’t mount a decent argument against a viewpoint best not to comment at all.
…”we will have to pay for it all in carbon offset costs any how.”…..
I’ve got an idea…..why don’t we withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol & consign the hairbrained ETS scheme to the global rubbish bin where it belongs.
That way WE get to use or be paid for what is ours & not go into receivership as a nation. For all we know someone may appear out of the desert & give the Greens & their ilk the commonsense to realise that the same amount of pollution & CO2 is released whether the coal or oil is burnt in Pittsburgh, Shanghai or Meremere.
megatron and longknives – re the baby getting bashed down the line, do you have some inside information about the race of the child involved or are you just assuming because of the statistics? If it is based on assumption then yours is the sort of attutude that will keep people like Hone Harewira in our faces for many years to come. If you have some information why don’t you share it with the rest of the world?
>One credible theory contends convincing ourselves of conspiracies allows us to avoid acknowledging the terrifying arbitrariness of life
Sometimes bad things happen. Even to nice people. This leaves everyone else feeling helpless.
We (humans generally) like to feel in control. Like to feel a sense of order.
I guess for some, imagining it’s all been organised by whoever restores that sense of there being order and control
>the tendency to apply one’s own attitude to others.
Plenty of people do that, simply because they lack the ability to see things from anyone else’s pov but their own.
But would the conspiracy theorists who post on Kiwiblog be willing to blow up the Twin Towers (as it were) themselves? Bit of a stretch, that!
My (non-expert) theory is a lot of conspiracy theorists just have over-active imaginations, watch too many movies, and find real life too dull.
Kaya >Rarely (if ever) is the actual scenario itself debated
The trouble is that some posters take a scatter-gun approach and seem to see conspiracies everywhere. And rehash old ones that can be easily discredited – often because there is simply no motive that makes any sense.
If they do then uncover actual malpractice, the rest of the world thinks they are crying wolf again.
>This tactic of ad hominem proves nothing and often adds merit to the opposite viewpoint. I believe if you can’t mount a decent argument against a viewpoint best not to comment at all.
“Peter Williams supposed accidental slip is, in my opinion, more offensive than Paul Henry’s Sheila Dikshit comment.”
It is nowhere near it. The fag comment seems like an indavertent use of a single word that happens to have two meanings that could apply to the person being discussed, and Williams immediately clarified which meaning he meant.
Henry went on and on and on labouring on and laughing at an offensive joke.
It is nowhere near it. The fag comment seems like an indavertent use of a single word that happens to have two meanings that could apply to the person being discussed, and Williams immediately clarified which meaning he meant.
Nah, he knew what joke he was making. The clarification was part of the same joke. Personally, I don’t think the use of the term “fag” is the problematic part. Rather, it’s the assumption that there’s something hilarious about drawing attention to his sexual orientation. A similar statement that a sportsman whose sex life was characterised by nothing other than his heterosexuality “enjoys a sweet tart on occasion” and then clarifying “I meant from the bakery” wouldn’t occur to anyone as a joke.
Henry went on and on and on labouring on and laughing at an offensive joke.
Yes, Henry’s Dikshit thing demonstrated immaturity and stupidity to which Peter Williams could only ever hope to aspire.
From Murial Newman…greedy bastards..where does it end..
“The demands by the Maori elite are as relentless as a rising tide.
Not content with securing the future ownership of the public’s foreshore and seabed – including invaluable mineral resources which should belong to all New Zealanders, not privatised to corporate iwi – Maori leaders are now coming back for more. This time they want $600 million of taxpayers’ money for iwi to pay for something they should arguably be doing for themselves – teaching their children the Maori language.
The amount of funding being demanded is equivalent to the total combined budgets of the entire Vote for Customs, Agriculture and Fisheries, Justice, and Senior Citizens. It comes at a time when the National Party claims to be tightening its belt and cutting back on government spending”
Aplogies Kaya..I didnt mean to offend but it upsets me to see it continually happening to these innocent babies..and most of them are maori..I’m not being racist..I care.
It will be in the news shortly along with the triple barrelled silly name and you will see I am right.
I hope I am wrong as it is so sad..
“you’re missing out the solar flare cycle. It has been at a low point for a few years now.”
Yes am aware that solar activity is low and has been for years- Maunder Minimum coming perhaps?- Brrrr. But according to the IPCC and the “models” that doesnt/shouldnt affect the theory of CO2 and water vapour reacting 3:1 according to all the warmist scientists. Many of whom poo pooed the effect of the sun. Next you will tell me that clouds have something to do with it! Yet clouds arent included in the Global Climate Scenarios? Neither is solar activity?
Oh dear, perhaps the science isnt settled then.
You cant have it both ways but keep wriggling.
You still havent answered the question, CO2 is up but temps arent-where is the warming?
I note with interest (but no surprise) that Labour is now attacking the government for NOT following-through with its promised ‘tax increase’ on petrol, claiming that by not doing so the Nats’ are ‘breaking an election promise’ and ‘bribing the public’ in an election year (which of course labour has never done, adn would never even give consideration to. . .)
That the petrol-tax has been deferred because of the prevailing poor economic climate is of course totally irrelevant.
The Labour attack (and their implied postion IN SUPPORT OF EXTRA TAXATION ) does of course create a very interesting possibility, namely that t is now possible (and reasonable) to ask, in all genuineness, why Labour advocates INCREASED TAXATION for the country.
That this statemetn has been made in an election year does of course present all sorts of opportunities, which no doubt those who are so-inclined will be taking up.
Once again, an own goal – pity that the MSM probably won’t give it the attention it deserves.
(P.S: Methinks a Tui billboard is imminent – anyone care to come up with the wording?)
Kaya- I won’t apologise. I don’t care if I am offending your sensibilities. It is well documented that Maori have one of the most appalling child abuse rates in the world and Maori Babies are statistically far,far more likely to be bashed to death than those from other cultures. I find that statistic repugnant and if even daring to point that out makes me some kind of ‘evil racist’ then this country is in far more trouble than I first suspected.
If, as is to be reasonably suspected , the child in Ngaruawahia IS Maori, then surely there is a public duty to say so – not to deride or ridicule, but to bring the whole stinking mess out into the open SO THAT THEIR OWN PEOPLE CAN DEAL WITH THE ISSUE and not hide behind platitudes and blame all and everyone else but themselves?
despite their protestations to the contrary, Maori(especially those of the male gender) ARE a by nature violent society, (it’s in their genes – carefully honed over the last 4-500 years) and all the (European) money in the world (and there has been a lot of it over the years) is not going to change this one iota. Maori have to help themslves, and the first step has to be to stop blaming everyone else but themselves and admit that there is a problem and take steps to do something about it.
Yet have you noticed something strange: In all the past ‘unfortunate incidents’ where Maori children have been killed ‘by whanau’ , MAORI leaders have very little to say about that sort of carry-on, and if THEY don’t say and do anything to ameliorate teh problem, then how can anyone of their own believe that it is NOT alright to continue as they are. NO leadership, NO condemnation, NO inclination : the status quo.
Unfortunately, this isn’t going to change anytime soon – blaming ‘Whitey’ is SO much easier than taking realistic steps towards solving the problem.
One has to wonder though, exactly how many more helpless children of Maori-extraction will be killed before Maori as a bloc finally say ‘enough’ and start to do something for themselves – by themselves.
I suspect (sadly) it will be quite a few more, and that it will go on, and on, and on . .
“But according to the IPCC and the “models” that doesnt/shouldnt affect the theory of CO2 and water vapour reacting 3:1 according to all the warmist scientists. ”
Yep – compounding and interdependent non-linear feedback loops are hard to predict in a very precise manner. So it will be difficult to say the year, or even the decade, when AGW will start to become a real problem. It could be in 5 years, it could be in 25. But there is enough confidence in the precision of the models to warrant serious action immediately. Don’t you think this is a more rational explanation than the idea that most of the climate scientists on the planet being in on some misanthropic conspiracy?
Megatron, Starboard, Longknives, Komata – you miss my point completely, I’m not apologising for anyone. I agree it is statistically likely to be a Maori family involved (particularly with the demographic of the area). However, until it is proven to be true, any comments about this particular case can be justifiably called redneck/racist.
All you do is create propaganda for the Hone Harawiras of the country to help push their own racist agendas. I personally don’t think this is a good idea. Why give them oxygen?
If you want to have a separate debate about the high proportion of Maori amongst child abuse statistics in general, that’s a differnet thing altogether.
KiwiGreg- Are we “all New Zealanders”??
Sharples, Turia and co have been advocating and implementing seperate ‘Maori only’ Justice, Health and Education systems for many years now. Turia is on record as saying that Pakehas are nothing more than “visitors to this country”. Therefore, (in the eyes of our current Government) as I am clearly some kind of economy-class ‘tourist’ with no ties or affiliations to this country why should Maori Child abuse be my problem??
‘Maori solutions to Maori problems and don’t you Pakeha come telling us what to do. We’ll take your money (the more the better) we’ll abuse the living daylights out of you, demand that you house and feed us, and educate our children but don’t you EVER tell us how we are to run our culture’ etc, etc, etc.
And BTW, ‘you are only visitors – we were here first – never, ever, forget that you @!*!* !!!!!!
Sorry to disembue you old chap, but that tends to be the standard reaction. Charon is so right.
As far as “the science is settled” argument goes you & I are as polar opposites. We could wear out a keyboard apiece & still not agree so I see no point in debating the issue.
What I would like to read is your justification of why we should sacrifice our economy & probably eventually our sovereignty at the altar of the emissions trading scheme. If everyone else was racing to put the feelgood policy in place then okay. At least we would all be in the same boat.
Instead we have become the vanguard of the fruitloops. Agreed other nations are still having talkfests on the subject but we are the only fools who have actually committed to action coincidentally at a time of the economic cycle when we can least afford it. I’m not certain that we can afford to join the pack let alone lead it.
The BOP managed to remove a certain Green trouble(trough) user from the Enviroment BOP in the last elections and now you Aucklanders will be taking over paymentand employmentforthe lady.
You are welcome.
Enjoy the cost.
Former Bay of Plenty Regional Councillor Karen Summerhays is leaving Tauranga to take up a job with the Auckland Council.
She leaves the city on April 30 and starts her new job with the super city council on May 2.
Iranian fundamentalists trying to control the internet:
Iranian authorities have reportedly announced they intend to launch an Islamic Internet to counter the influence of the Western-dominated World Wide Web, a move slammed as “repressive” by the National Iranian American Council.
Ali Aqamohammadi, head of economic affairs for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, announced the plans during an interview this month with state news agency IRNA.
“Iran will soon create an Internet that conforms to Islamic principles, to improve its communication and trade links with the world,” Aqamohammadi said. “We can describe it as a genuinely ‘halal’ network aimed at Muslims on an ethical and moral level. The aim of this network is to increase Iran and the Farsi language’s presence in what has become the most important source of international communication.”
I don’t disagree with your central point, though the term “redneck” is also a racial epithet (in that it is only ever applied to white people; despite the original meaning being descriptive of only to a subset of people in rural areas of the Southern states in the US). It makes about as much sense to call a Maori person “nigger” as it does to call a NZ pakeha “redneck”.
Manawatu the next area to have its spelling corrected.
No Right Turn has called those who opposed the H in Wanganui, me, rednecks which is very irritating. He seems to suggest all those opposed were following the orders of Mlaws .. NRT is a tosser.
In fairness to gay people, I doubt anyone would have commented if the Herald didn’t seek an opinion and ask someone from a website who himself thrives on publicity.
It’s like when Hell Pizza has a new ad. The news agencies ask every church leader in Auckland until they get a comment from some extremist. It’s win-win-win: publicity for the pizza company, an easy and controversial story (with “balance”!) for the paper, and some praise/increased tithing for the religious leader for defending God.
Mark Todd is entitled to lead a cocaine-snorting, orgying lifestyle if he wants. None of our business. I’m sure he can take a “fag” joke or two! At least he’s not raping women like the half of the NRL!
I was up the hill today rolling up a couple of faggots for burning on the fire later on and when I got back I saw that poor old Peter Williams was being attacked by the poofters for suggesting that Mark Todd had smoked a couple of cigarettes once!
Some people have no self control!
It reminds me of an old friend called Gaye.
After her name got hijacked by the funny blokes she had to start introducing herself by saying.
“Hi, I’m Gaye, with an e”.
Bloody unfair how these minorities get to take over the world!
ps: I blame our previous PM who only encouraged them.
How many people have TVNZ packed off to London? Seems bloody near everyone is there! I hope that they are all at the YMCA and don’t come back bitching about a 100 km ride in the arse end of an army workhorse. Hypocrites.
A fag goes into a doctor’s surgery convinced that he is pregnant.
“How could you possibly be pregnant?” asked the doctor, “Who is the father?”
“What do you think I have?” asked the queer, “Eyes in the back of my head?”
Johnboy – “I blame our previous PM who only encouraged them”
But no, it was the New Zealand Aids Foundation – theory: change the entire country’s attitude so homosexuals would feel gay and happy about seeking help.
Actuality: just change the entire country’s attitude to homosexuals.
Three nuns in church on a hot day decide to remove their robes because of the heat. Not an unusual habit on a hot day. So about a half hour later, the door bell rings while their robes are slumped over pews clear across the huge chapel.
They ask who it is. “The blind man,” a voice replies.
The three nuns decide to simply open the door because the man is blind. He walks in, looks at the nuns and says, “Nice tits! Where do you want me to install these blinds?”
A gay guy goes to see his Doctor, his doctor says “what can I do for you today?”
The gay guy replies, “my arsehole hurts like hell”.
“Right” says the doctor, “what I need you to do is go out tonight & drink 12 pints of lager,
then go and eat two vindaloo curries and then take twelve laxatives.
“Okay”, says the gay guy. “Will that stop the pain?”
“No”, says the doctor, “but it will teach you what your arse is made for!”
Call of Solicitor-General to Stay Case against Urewera 18
Wednesday, 27 April 2011, 9:08 am
Press Release: Professor Jane Kelsey
Solicitor-General David Collins has been urged to exercise his discretion to stay the proceedings against the Urewera 18 who are due to face trial in early May, more than three and a half years after their arrest in police raids on 15 October 2007.
The request came in a letter co-sponsored by lawyers Moana Jackson of Ngati Kahungunu and Professor Jane Kelsey from the University of Auckland. It was endorsed by over 150 prominent Maori, academics and social justice campaigners.
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“The accused, their whanau and the whole of Tuhoe have had this hanging over them for almost four years, unable to live a normal life. They already carry the label of ‘terrorists’ forever”, Moana Jackson said.
“Now they face the human and financial costs of a twelve week trial in Auckland. To achieve what? To vindicate the police’s anti-terrorism powers and the waste of millions of dollars trying to prove there was some terrorist plot based in Tuhoe?”, Mr Jackson asked.
“The situation is totally out of hand. The Solicitor-General needs to step in and bring the whole wretched episode to a close, as they did with the Bastion Point prosecutions in 1978.”
Professor Kelsey observed that “The efficiency of the court system has already been put ahead of their right to trial by jury. This is not a clinical, technical case; it requires people’s common sense about what was actually going on”.
“The right to a jury trial is fundamental to this case. And if the publicity means there can’t be an untainted jury, as the Solicitor-General himself said in the contempt case against Fairfax and the *Dominion Post*,then the Crown needs to stay the proceedings.”
“The credibility of the justice system is at stake”, said Professor Kelsey.
It is not just his birth place that is in question..his relations give names of different hospitals he was born in in Hawaii..how come they are as confused as everyone else? His auntie? step mother saw him being born in Kenya..All his other records are ”sealed” and in question. In Indonesia , he was Barry Soetoro and a muslum..yet he says he has always been a Christian which is a lie according to the few records which are available..He attended agama classes in Indonesia which makes him a muslim. There is no record of him changing his name to Hussein Barrack Obamination. Who paid for his education etc etc.
He has spent millions trying to keep all his records hidden. Why?
He has recently teamed up with another hate preacher..
A certificate of live birth in the States is not the same as a birth certificate. And what about all the other records ? Why so many coverups? Who were the big mullahs who paid for his education? Why did they they pay for his education? Why the lie about his religion? Why and when did the name change occur?
I have a life Lance, perhaps you should acquire a questioning mind.
I am not a supporter of Obama
What I really really really despise is this sort of bullshit politics that is more about dirt and innuendo than the policies. It ‘sucks to the max’ and I have contempt for those that engage in it.