Mana Party policies

April 29th, 2011 at 3:33 pm by David Farrar

of the UNITE union has outlined some policies for the . They include:

  • Abolish GST and replace with the Social Credit Financial Transactions Tax
  • Nationalise all monopolies and duopolies
  • Effectively bring back compulsory union membership

I’m not sure if they also plan to declare war on South Korea.

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140 Responses to “Mana Party policies”

  1. Monty (977 comments) says:

    Makes the Greenies look like the Act Party Led by Roger Douglas!
    Idiots – who are they appealing to, or like Labour do you make these polices when you never have to enact them?

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  2. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Rainbow pooping unicorns for all!!!!

    Frickken muppets.

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  3. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    http://thestandard.org.nz/an-open-letter-to-all-unionists-fighters-for-equality-social-justice-in-aotearoa/#comment-324804

    Read this…..you’ll wet yourself!

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  4. OliverI (112 comments) says:

    April fools?

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  5. Viken (2 comments) says:

    What idiotic policies …. abolish GST? How will a financial services tax replace 15% tax on every transaction unless its set to an exorbitant rate which will effectively kill investment in this country? The word nationalise should make any free thinking person shudder? Did we suddenly become South America or something? Compulsory union membership? Yet more nanny state telling us what we must do, and making us pay money to people to allegedly represent us, instead of letting us do it ourselves.

    Mana Party will be attractive if you’re a down and out bludger with little future. If you’re in business however, Mana Party getting anything more than 1% of the vote is a signal to start looking at moving to Aussie.

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  6. Cobolt (93 comments) says:

    So the Mana party want us all to own two supermarket chains? But we should still be right to sell off the power co’s because there’s more than two of them.

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  7. Kieran_B (76 comments) says:

    Could somebody elaborate what the Social Credit Financial Transactions Tax might entail?

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  8. backster (2,171 comments) says:

    But they are not an extreme left party. According to the media you can only be an extreme right party and it doesn’t even have to be extreme.

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  9. Centreback (14 comments) says:

    Mana Party policies will appeal to the lower end of town – similar to the higher end of town finding the Don appealing …… Hone is a lot of things but he aint no fool ………

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  10. Inventory2 (10,337 comments) says:

    So has Hone’s party been hi-jacked by the hard left already? Or was that what was always planned? In any event, the aGreens and Labour are going to be seriously hoha with Hone if he cannibalises their vote.

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  11. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Hmmmm duopolies……supermarkets, bread companies, dairy companies, Fonterra (monopsony), television companies, Casino operator (monopoly), newspapers…I’m sure there are more. With luck and these policies we could soon be as rich as a North Korea or (do we dare to dream?) Cuba!!!

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  12. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    I’d love him to nationalise the Kaimoana industry, just so we can use the slogan “PAUA TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!”

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  13. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    “Could somebody elaborate what the Social Credit Financial Transactions Tax might entail?”

    From memory they charged 0.1% (or some other beguilingly small number) on the value of every bank transaction. It’s at least as sensible as nationalising everything and forcing folk to join unions.

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  14. Positan (390 comments) says:

    Demand as much as you can, for doing as little as you can.
    When inciting, be as emotive as you can – never attempt to moot anything remotely realistic
    Sponge off the efforts of those whose capital has created wealth, but dismiss them as “rich pricks”
    Never cease to perpetuate the myth of workers’ entitlement.

    Dream on, dream on … but don’t ever stop to wonder why anyone with a spark of intelligence would ever take you seriously.

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  15. MikeE (555 comments) says:

    can someone please compile a list of all monopolies and duopolies in NZ so we can get a rough idea of the insane amount of firms Hone wants to nationalise. haha

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  16. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Is Unite formally involved with Mana, or is Treen simply vomiting his lunacy where he feels it will be welcome?

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  17. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Doesn’t look like Labour will get much financial support from Unite this time round.

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  18. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Key will be behind this as part of his grand plan, this is just to make Act look moderate in comparison.

    “Vote Mana for Labour!” (the only way for Labour to get some mana)

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  19. ben (2,379 comments) says:

    I’m disturbed there are people who actually these policies are good ideas. How many times does social credit have to be torn down? How much evidence is required before finally the last person acknowledges nationalisation is a terrible idea. How much damage do monopoly unions have to do before the last person acknowledges its a bad idea?

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  20. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    These guys would be out of their depth in a North Korean paddling pool.

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  21. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Compulsory unionism, just the thing to see the people of NZ reject the MOFO party.

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  22. Nick K (1,243 comments) says:

    I’m not sure if they also plan to declare war on South Korea.

    He doesn’t need to. By the time his economic policies are implemented we’ll be unable to afford a pocket knife let alone an army. And chances are most able fit young men capable of fighting in the war will either be in Australia or dead from starvation.

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  23. marynicolehicks (24 comments) says:

    Anyone else get a feeling that with the NZD so high and the Mana party in the wing, investing in USD might be worthwhile?

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  24. northern (44 comments) says:

    Since I live in the Mana electorate I can only hope some of my “neighbours” think this party was set up just for them and vote for Mana instead of Labour, thus allowing Hekia and National to win through!

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  25. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    if the Mana Party takes on the Maori Party in the Maori seats and Labour stands
    then there could be an interesting tussle.
    2008 Maori Party 60% Labour 40% in electorates
    2011 Maori Party 30% Labour 40% Mana 30%. ie

    This scenario could mean NO Maori Party No Mana party and Labour getting 26 electorate seats. ie NO LIST MEMBERS FOR LABOUR

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  26. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Fisiani

    You forget that John Hatfield will win his own electoral seat.

    Like it or not there will be at least one other MOFO MP in the house with him.

    The best scenario we can hope for is a lot less Labour MP’s, no Greens and only one Maori party MP

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  27. virtualmark (1,523 comments) says:

    Sure, the Mana party will take some support off the Maori party. But it strikes me the real risk for the left has to be that the Mana party takes enough support from the Greens that it drops the Greens down below the 5% threshold. It seems Hone’s going to lean heavily on the rabid end of the union and protest movements for candidates, for funding and for feet on the ground. Both Mana and the Greens appeal to the same groups of the permanently disaffected and the left-wing loonies.

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  28. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Could somebody elaborate what the Social Credit Financial Transactions Tax might entail?

    Probably means if you earn enough to be classed as a rich prick, then you’ll have to pay it, if not then you don’t.

    Probably exempt if you’re tangata whenua or a union member as well.

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  29. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Sieg Heil Herr Hone!!!!!!!

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  30. Inky_the_Red (759 comments) says:

    Many countries have introduced FTT on international transactions since the latest financial upheaval (Government forced to subsidise the wealthy stuff)

    Why, Financial speculation relies on small margins over short periods of time. A tiny FTT (0.5%) removes any profits from speculation. So rick pricks cannot many money better on small exchange rate movements.

    Introducing a FTT (again you on;y need a 0.5% FTT) on an internal economy (replacing GST) has added advantages. Two are
    1. When financial assets are transferred (ie someone hides them in trusts etc) then they pay tax. Creating disincentive to avoid tax through trusts and companies.
    2. Unlike GST a FTT is universal there are no exempt elite.
    3. Unlike GST, FTT is not collected from every single business in NZ. The collection is done by the financial institutions. This reduces compliance cost to small businesses

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  31. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    mark – better still, if you’re a mad leftie, nothing would give better credibility than voting for a brown leftie party. I think this party could be pretty attractive to a slice of the leftie vote, and might be just enough to sink the Greens. It’s fun to dream!!

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  32. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    DPF – its NORTH korea.

    Opps – no maybe youre right. On a second look it seems the Mana party is much closer to the north than the south. State ownership for everyone.

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  33. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    Take me to the April Sun in Cuba.

    That can be their theme tune…..

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  34. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    Inky, I agree there are some advantages of an FTT, but I reckon you’re misrepresenting a bit.

    Arbitrage on prices makes markets efficient. If you make it expensive to conduct that arbitrage, you reduce market efficiency – you make it possible for prices to be different in different places, and for nobody to bother to try to fix that (by buying in one location and selling in the other). There is a cost to this reduction in “speculation”. The speculation that caused the financial problems we had recently wasn’t speculation of the high volume small margin sort – it was speculation on big fixed assets over time (for example, property).

    Getting 0.5% on someone moving assets into a trust isn’t really going to change their behaviour – if they’re trying to reduce their tax from 39% to 33%, then 0.5% FTT won’t change that. What it will do is force many transactions offshore – why would you do your share trading in NZ, when you can just transfer your money offshore (pay 0.5% once), then do all your trading offshore. Presumably FTT only captures transactions that occur in NZ. So, as usual, the rich would just avoid it, and actually this tax ends up mainly applying to Joe Blow getting money out of his bank account, or paying the monthly bills.

    On universal – not sure how there is an elite exempt from GST? With the FTT, there will definitely be an elite who avoid it by doing their transactions offshore. Whereas with GST, it’s hard to decide to buy all your food and petrol offshore.

    Finally, agree on the administrative efficiency. GST is a significant impost on businesses, but not unreasonable so long as we keep it almost universal, and it does have the advantage of dragging a lot of the grey economy into the tax net.

    In short, I reckon it’s not as good as you think, and in fact has significant downsides.

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  35. lofty (1,310 comments) says:

    John Hatfields party will get hijacked by the extreme left.

    Watch this space, as John spits the dummy and walks away from his own party, ball under arm.
    Any mad leftie you care to mention will try and slip onto this bandwagon, the mofo party is stuffed before it is born.

    Self abortion is the name of this game..

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  36. Inventory2 (10,337 comments) says:

    Get the beer and popcorn ready folks; watching the left cannibilise one another in the run-up to the election is going to be the best show in town.

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  37. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    Particularly since the right have managed to avoid that same spectacle, given that Brash was successful in his take-over bid. I don’t like what he did, but it’s better than what’s about to happen to the Greens.

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  38. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    This will cause division in Labour between the ones who’re secretly glad that their looniest element will bleed away to the sub 5% ghetto, and the ones who’ll want to adopt similar policies to win them back.

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  39. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    brilliant .. you couldn’t make this shit up. Mana Party, is Kris Faafoi happy about that name?

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  40. Kimble (4,438 comments) says:

    “Financial speculation relies on small margins over short periods of time. A tiny FTT (0.5%) removes any profits from speculation.”

    Epic fucking fail!

    You are describing ARBITRAGE, not speculation! There is obvious social benefit from arbitrage!

    If you get that basic thing wrong, why should anyone listen to the rest of your ignorant opinion?

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  41. lofty (1,310 comments) says:

    Having been around the traps a few times in different camps as I grew up, I know that whenever a group of social experimentalists get into a room, you can never go far enough left for some of them.

    FFS some of them are so far left that they want to lock THEMSELVES into a gulag, as they feel so guilty.

    Bet you can all name a couple like that eh?

    That is what will knock this bullshit party off in the not so distant future.

    As jaba rightly points out above.. you couldn’t make this shit up.

    Oh such fun.

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  42. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @virtualmark 4:50 pm

    Sure, the Mana party will take some support off the Maori party. But it strikes me the real risk for the left has to be that the Mana party takes enough support from the Greens that it drops the Greens down below the 5% threshold. It seems Hone’s going to lean heavily on the rabid end of the union and protest movements for candidates, for funding and for feet on the ground. Both Mana and the Greens appeal to the same groups of the permanently disaffected and the left-wing loonies.

    Actually, that is not likely to happen. Although the Greens’ policies are more supportive of low income earners and beneficiaries than Labour’s, the Greens don’t get a lot of cut-through with that demographic. They have tended over the last two elections to either not vote or vote Labour or Maori Party. Interestingly, it is people in professional and technical occupations who are the demographic that most strongly supports the Greens.

    Much of the Maori demographic that voted Green prior to the formation of the Maori Party has already been lost by the Greens for two elections – that accounted in part for the Greens’ poor performance in the 2005 election where they lost three seats. Hone’s party will no doubt attract some of that vote that the Greens would have otherwise been able to woo back following the MP’s alignment with National, but I don’t think it will impact much, if at all, on the core Green vote.

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  43. dave (988 comments) says:

    Vote Mana for Labour!

    Wonder if one will stand a candidate in the Mana electorate. Notthat it

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  44. dave (988 comments) says:

    Vote Mana for Labour!

    Wonder if Hone will stand a candidate in the Mana electorate. “Vote Mana for Mana”

    Not that it will make much difference, but it will give us something to laugh at.

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  45. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Inky, what your saying is that its a good idea, to tax someone an additional amount when their employer puts their already taxed salary into their account, then tax them again when they want to use their own money.

    And you think this is a good idea?

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  46. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    toad: that suggests to me one of two things:
    – you have a lot of supporters who care more about the green/environment stuff than they do about the fact that the Green’s social policies would personally make them worse off
    – you have a lot of supporters who are full of urban hippy angst, and want to flagellate themselves by voting for policies that are clearly to their own detriment as a means of atonement.

    I think at the moment the Green theory is that it’s mostly group 2, and therefore you’re doing the right thing. But you should at least consider that many of your voters are in group 1, and that if you got rid of some of the left wing social policies (not the libertarian stuff, but the anti-capitalist and anti-wealth bits) you could maybe double your vote share.

    Just saying.

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  47. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Toad

    I hope all of your MP’s have their CV’s updated, when they are all kicked out of Parliament I do not want any of the bludgers going on the dole for any longer than necessary.

    Just think how much fun I am going to have, I will love the irony of the Greens having their throat cut by the openly racist John Hatfield.

    Oh..and how do you feel about Comrade Bradford being part of the party that is going to see the demise of the Greens?, she is really twisting the knife into you guys.

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  48. All_on_Red (1,582 comments) says:

    Toad says
    “Interestingly, it is people in professional and technical occupations who are the demographic that most strongly supports the Greens.”

    Ah yes, the Urban Elite who really really know whats good for us and we should do as they say.

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  49. Caleb (479 comments) says:

    Hone should do a ‘takeover’ on the Greens. I’d get the popcorn out for that one.

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  50. Pongo (372 comments) says:

    Its called a Tobin tax and it is very easy to avoid for large financial institutions, Brazil are using an iteration of it to stem capital flows and pushing their currency up, unsuccessfully of course.
    I wonder if Mana could do us a favour and take votes off the greens and nudge them under 5%.

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  51. Pongo (372 comments) says:

    And Willie Jackson ! the same guy that lives in a huge house, has half a dozen rental properties, has quite a few businesses and has his radio station taxpayer financed. Wouldnt work out to well for him if his staff were unionized and his wealth was taken off him for the revolution.

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  52. Pongo (372 comments) says:

    Radio Waitea. Not Radio Live.

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  53. ch123 (647 comments) says:

    Yes but Willie and comrade Helen and the like, are the animals that are more equal than others.

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  54. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Face it toad, you’re toast. This will pull the politically correct Left from the greens like a magnet. Why would they support a white socialist party when they could support a brown socialist one?

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  55. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    3. Unlike GST, FTT is not collected from every single business in NZ.

    Another thing regarding this point.

    While the business will not be collecting the tax, they will most certainly be paying it. As a consequence expect them the become very anti eftpos, and pro cash transactions meaning companies specializing in eftpos machinery and ATM machines to go under and lay off employee’s. Then as a consequence expect the business owners to hide their money away (under mattresses and in personal safes), instead of depositing it in a bank account which not only will mean they will avoid paying the tax, but the banks will then have to rely even more on foreign cash to fund things like loans & mortgages meaning borrowing and will be even more expensive, probably as well the banks will have to lay off front line staff like bank tellers from the reduced business.

    Basically your genius idea would turn NZ into a cash only society – frankly I’ll be stoked at the idea, think I’m start a life of crime and become a old hat safe cracker – get myself a snazzy pin strip suit, trilby and possibly even a pipe.

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  56. ch123 (647 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t need to be a safe cracker. Just stand outside the bank on payday and rob the the poor wage clerk on the way back to their workplace with the bags of cash they now need to pay to their employees who all demand being paid in cash instead of to their bank accounts. Of course, all the benes have to have their benes paid into a bank account so they’re screwed.

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  57. ch123 (647 comments) says:

    Of course, it doesn’t matter what their election promises are – they’re never ever going to have enough seats to make a government have to implement their policies. And if they did, well the exodus of the people who actually pay for the rest of the country would be massive.

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  58. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    I think toad is forgetting something .. or someone. Sue nutty as a fruitcake Bradford. I would say she was more popular as a MP than “the others”. In fact, I can see K Delahunty jumping ship.

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  59. Caleb (479 comments) says:

    i fail to see how john key and the msm think act is ultra right and mana is ultra left.

    act is clearly centre right and mana is clearly far left.

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  60. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Hahahhahaah Minto is a candidate! YOU COULD NOT MAKE THIS SHIT UP!

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  61. lofty (1,310 comments) says:

    I have not seen where it is reported that John Minto is a candidate, but if true I repeat:

    Having been around the traps a few times in different camps as I grew up, I know that whenever a group of social experimentalists get into a room, you can never go far enough left for some of them.

    FFS some of them are so far left that they want to lock THEMSELVES into a gulag, as they feel so guilty.

    Bet you can all name a couple like that eh?

    That is what will knock this bullshit party off in the not so distant future.

    As jaba rightly points out above.. you couldn’t make this shit up.

    Oh such fun.

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  62. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    John Minto is lending his expertise – and megaphone – to the Mana Party.

    “I see myself very much in the mainstream of New Zealand and I think the people involved in this party – their values are the mainstream values of New Zealand,” he says.

    this was on the TV3 website . Minto is mainstream New Zealand .. um, no John, you are not

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  63. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    It was on TV3 news lofty:

    Harawira names Minto, Tanczos, Bradford as Mana backers

    John Minto is lending his expertise – and megaphone – to the Mana Party.

    “I see myself very much in the mainstream of New Zealand and I think the people involved in this party – their values are the mainstream values of New Zealand,” he says.

    Yeah, mainstream.

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  64. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Minto is the man who is on record as saying he is disappointed with the way Mandela handled his term as President of South Africa.

    It seems that Comrade Minto did not spend years at the forefront of HART because he had a deep love of black South Africans, nope, Minto spent years fighting apartheid South Africa because he was sure that Mandela would embrace communism when he was released from prison.

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  65. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    This is going to be a hilarious election. Now featuring not just the suicide of the centre left, but also the fratricide of the far left. Let the good times roll!

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  66. ch123 (647 comments) says:

    I didn’t realise John Minto was so delusional as to think he represented mainstream NZ. I knew he was a nutcase but still…

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  67. reid (16,445 comments) says:

    I knew he was a nutcase but still…

    Snap, ch123

    Let the good times roll!

    And they don’t even sell tickets, PIA. The silly mentals.

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  68. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    My god, Minto is a nutbar.

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  69. Inventory2 (10,337 comments) says:

    I can see it now on election night; Russel Norman whining “Give me back my job”!!

    The dream scenario is this; the Maori Party stands a really strong candidate against Hone in Te Tai Tokerau and wins. The Greens get 4.75% and no seats. Mana Party gets 4.5% and no seats. NZ First gets 3% and no seats. 12% of the vote is wasted, Phil No-Mates leads a depleted Labour caucus (while the knives are sharpened), and NACT gets around 60% of the vote. Oh, and MMP gets the arse.

    Bring. It. On.

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  70. Doug (410 comments) says:

    slightlyrightly

    Police named a bar after Minto, “Minto bar” first used at Rugby Games.

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  71. Caleb (479 comments) says:

    yea, i dont even see the msm supporting a party like mana. really, what a joke.

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  72. reid (16,445 comments) says:

    Bring. It. On.

    I’m ooommming and visualising and adopting the Lotus, rubbing my temples and burning incense like crazy in order to bring the Karmic forces into play that will bring this calamity for some we don’t care much about to pass, I2.

    It’s rather ironic, isn’t it.

    Police named a bar after Minto, “Minto bar” first used at Rugby Games.

    Oh how dreadful.

    Ooooommmhhhh

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  73. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    @IV2, re MMP, I hope so. It’s responsible for re-focusing the political process inwards on the hubristic aspirations of the politicians, rather than outwards on the needs of NZers they are supposed to serve.

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  74. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    As noted elsewhere, the next few weeks could be both interesting and entertaining, as huge egos and currently conveniently-hidden political agenda’s come into play amongst the members of the ‘Mana’ party.

    There are variously Comrades Bradford (the ‘uber’ comrade) Martin, Jackson and Minto (and doubtless other equally-rabid socialists as yet unrevealed) all in the same ‘room’ together, all united in their dislike (nay, hatred) of the society they live in (that’s us folks), while simultaneously hating and loathing each other because of perceived political ‘impurity’ and failure to be a true Marxist-Leninist, Maoist, Trotskyist etc, etc.

    And, right in the middle (and surrounded by ‘Mofos’) is Hone!!!!!

    I really don’t think that Hone (or Tittifie by extension) realises what he’s got himself into – especially as it seems all the ‘redder-tha-red’ socialists (rats?) are fleeing the Labour ship in favour of an even ‘purer’ socialism, or that , sadly, he has presented himself as a very willing ‘useful idiot’ for the agenda’s of others – most notably Bradford and her coterie. He will no doubt be being told all sorts of lies and encouraging ‘truths’ to boost his ego, and camouflage the reality – that ‘Man’ is merely another ‘useful tool’ that has conveniently presented itself. Reminds me of the nursery-song about the Spider and the fly (the one that starts ‘Will you walk into my parlour said the spider to the fly. . .) And no, Hone is NOT the spider (although he is quite convinced he is).

    Any bets as to how long it will be before the cracks start to appear as the ego’s (and also probably inter-tribal issues) kick-in?

    And has anyone else noticed : For a delibrately ‘Maori’ party, with the avowed intention of specifically chasing the Maori vote, the only Maori of any particular consequence happens to be Hone?

    And when the cracks DO appear, it will be interesting to see what happens. Will Hone send in ‘the Cuzzies’ and ‘Bros’ (or even Tittifie) to ‘solve the problem’ in the traditional Hariwera way – Leopards, Spots and all that. . .

    Finally, the name that has been chosen for the new party is somewhat unfortunate in that ‘Mana’ means ‘great prestige and character’, something that seems to be singularly lacking amongst the announced leadership.

    In view of the above, it will be interesting to see how long Hone (and ‘the family’) will tolerate the Mofos, and to watch as they turn on them (and inevitably start the expected race-based name calling (As I said, ‘Leopards’).

    Any bets as to how long ‘the Party’ will last?

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  75. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Hone, Gargoyle, Minto and Bird’s Nest Head.

    An alliance forged on the anvil of failure. The mind boggles and the humour beckons.

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  76. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Hah. This is the thing Martyn Mongbury is putting his reputation on. Oh well, when the No Mana Party gets 0.7% of the vote in November maybe he’ll do the honourable thing and bugger off out of politics.

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  77. reid (16,445 comments) says:

    Any bets as to how long ‘the Party’ will last?

    As long as their tremendous idealism that “it’s for the cause” manages to contain their tremendous egotism which says “no it’s not, it’s all about me.”

    About 20 political seconds in other words.

    But meanwhile, Hone’s asleep cause he’s a lazy bugger.

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  78. Nick K (1,243 comments) says:

    Top 10 list

    Hone Harawira
    Sue Bradford
    Matt McCarten
    John Minto
    Penny Bright
    Nandor Tanczos
    Mike Treen
    Bomber Bradbury
    Joe Carolyn
    Andrew Williams

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  79. RF (1,396 comments) says:

    @ inventory2

    Right on the button. I like your style. My type of dream.

    Bring. It. On

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  80. niggly (830 comments) says:

    yea, i dont even see the msm supporting a party like mana. really, what a joke.

    Well, should be interesting on that front too. :-)

    Up until now the MSM tends:

    1) to be sympathetic to these ultra-left turkey’s i.e. always lapping up and repeating soundbite-after-soundbite of propaganda from them over the years as “fact”, without analysising the ridiculousness of some of their ideas.

    2) to be a bunch of pussies – i.e. too wimpy to call these turkey’s out.

    So it will be interesting to see how events pan out naturally (as in lot’s of activist internal dissent as each try and retain their “cred” over differing issues), as it will force some elements of the MSM to finally confront points 1 and 2 above.

    The other “fascinating” aspects will be more guttural than the MSM spilling their coffee, which will be the “activist journalist/commentator/blogger” community fighting/countering each other with their spin (which would normally be directed to the ring-wing of politics) inwards towards themselves i.e. the Gordon Campbell’s, Finlay Macdonald’s, Bomber Bradbury’s et al of this world. Somewhere in amongst that, Chris Trotter will be having a fits of hysterics in his writings describing this rabble fighting to try and steer the wheels of Hone’s Mana Party bus ….

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  81. reid (16,445 comments) says:

    this rabble fighting to try and steer the wheels of Hone’s Mana Party bus

    niggly I wonder if you can buy insurance for this sort of thing?

    Give it twelve years, I reckon. Twenty political seconds.

    It will flare very brightly indeed for at least one election but then die of the causes you describe after Hone has left after achieving in the final analysis, not a great deal, by comparison to the friction the party generated.

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  82. Richard Hurst (857 comments) says:

    I hear Castro was going to invite the Mana party members to a conference in Cuba but then read some of their policies and he decided they were way to left wing for his taste.

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  83. CharlieBrown (1,011 comments) says:

    Hone’s shitting us right? If such a party ever implemented such policies I’d be taking up arms to liberate us from such tyranny.

    The mana party should rename itself to the mana mugabe party.

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  84. CharlieBrown (1,011 comments) says:

    “Hone should do a ‘takeover’ on the Greens. I’d get the popcorn out for that one.”

    Hone’s not into takeovers, hes more likely to do an “occupation” on the greens.

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  85. CharlieBrown (1,011 comments) says:

    Inventory2 – “I can see it now on election night; Russel Norman whining “Give me back my job”!!

    The dream scenario is this; the Maori Party stands a really strong candidate against Hone in Te Tai Tokerau and wins. The Greens get 4.75% and no seats. Mana Party gets 4.5% and no seats. NZ First gets 3% and no seats. 12% of the vote is wasted, Phil No-Mates leads a depleted Labour caucus (while the knives are sharpened), and NACT gets around 60% of the vote. Oh, and MMP gets the arse.

    Bring. It. On.”

    The final step is … “The nats stay in power on their own for 3 more years, borrowing 250 mill a week , then all world wide finiancial research institutions deam NZ to be worse than the PIGS and downgrades us severely in their rankings. John Key being too afraid to do anything “extreme” bows into public pressure and removes the neutrality of the Reserve Bank and demands that they print more money as all our foreign credit from the banks has dried up. “

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  86. pidge (56 comments) says:

    re: FTT
    Cash? What Cash? One of the things the Reserve Bank has been looking at is getting rid of cash – i.e. electronic transactions only. the bit of the puzzle they are mostly looking at is allowing for cash-like transactions to occur, probbably by use of secure, stored value cards and (portable?) electronic value exchange devices, with regular back-to-the-Trading bank reconciliation to clip the ticket for FTT. The reason they actually want to get rid of cash is because it’s a bloody pain to make and distribute – e.g. natural disasters stopping the ATM machines from being topped up or usable. Oh, and with a FTT (0.5%) replacing GST (15%), I don’t think wage and salary earners would be too upset. Though there may be a wailing and gnashing of teeth from accountants.

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  87. Rich Prick (1,700 comments) says:

    Nick K, do you work for the SIS per chance? That’s their list too. Or it could be a psyhc patient list flapping down Queen Street, either/or.

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  88. reid (16,445 comments) says:

    One of the things the Reserve Bank has been looking at is getting rid of cash

    They do say NZ is a test market don’t they and it is rather peculiar how we lead eftpos penetration almost worldwide, isn’t it.

    Given the data one could potentially collect were one to have to have access to such data, such as individual buying patterns based on salary level and residential address, as in down to the last cent, not that anyone would have such cross-sources, heaven forfend.

    Gosh yes. A cashless society makes me feel like singing…

    The hills are alive, with the sound of music,
    the bells are…

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  89. Jim (398 comments) says:

    Hypothesise that they actually came to power.
    How long before they realise the need to revoke all passports so that nobody can leave?
    And how long after that will they send boats to Australia to kidnap skilled professionals in the dead of night?

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  90. Bob (497 comments) says:

    It seems with the extreme left communism is never far below the surface. The members never learn that communism doesn’t work. Even China has abandoned it at least economically.

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  91. kiwi in america (2,449 comments) says:

    You’ve forgotten Annette Sykes – recycled Maori radical and attendee at Libyian terror training camps in the 80’s. With Sue Communist Bradford and John Maoist Minto and hard left trade unionist Matt McCarten the hard left have their best dream vehicle since New Labour and without the dominating presence of Jim Anderton! All pretty mainstream to me!!

    Party vote prediction – under 2%. Could they be a spoiler to the Maori Party in their weaker electorates? Possibly. Depends who the MP stand against Hone (or who Labour stand for that matter). If the MP essentially cede that race by picking a lighweight then Mana has power to cause mischief. Key will be hoping for a National ACT combined vote of 51% so he can go back to Sharples/Turia and have them back but not be beholden to them.

    Who knows – the radical left policies may even put off voters in the Maori electorates. Remember Hone has to find credible Maori candidates who sit comfortably ideologically with the Mintos and Bradfords of this world. Could be harder than he thinks.

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  92. holysheet (385 comments) says:

    So now, who wants an early election?

    Let them have time to set up this manafuck party, draw away as many green, labour, and maori party voters, and then we get rid of MMP. The Pareto principle is at play here. 20 % of the people have got enough intelligence to be aware of what is good for the country. The other 80% are just too dumb to realise and will follow the rest like the sheep they are.

    Tribalism is rife amongst the brown bro’s. Ngapuhi, johnys tribe are hated by all others south of the border. It is bound to get a few dumbarse votes as the latest “hate the whittey” party to appeal to their warped sense of entitlement, but as long as it fucks the greens and the maori party then who cares?

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  93. ch123 (647 comments) says:

    Maybe Hone’s smarter than we think. He wants the white mofos out of the country and if he were able to enact these policies that’s exactly what he’d get.

    The only problem is, as with all socialists/communists, they don’t actually think things through and realise by screwing over the people who actually make the wealth, there *is no wealth* to redistribute so everyone ends up living in poverty. Just look at the former USSR…

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  94. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    The Maori Party vote in 2008 was 2.39%, in 2005 it was 2.12%, they have always had overhang due to relatively low party vote.

    Would Mana take some of that? Would the pick up party votes from Labour? Apart from Harawira the suggested candidates don’t look like they would have much hope of winning electorates, and they wouldn’t get many if any more in off the list, so the party looks little more than a gaggle of egos.

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  95. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    ..if my memory serves me correctly Sykes is married to that toerag scumbag Mike smith who cut down the tree on One Tree Hill.

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  96. wreck1080 (3,906 comments) says:

    This Person and young family would be in aussie if mana party ever won. I’m barely convinced to stay as it is.

    Hone reckons he want the rich to pay their fair share.

    Goody, the rich already pay more than their fair share so this would mean tax cuts for rich pricks on 66k a year, and tax increase for those earning less.

    Woo hoo.

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  97. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Manana Republic

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  98. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    geee .. Kiwi in A .. ANDERTON, we have forgotten that after the next election, he is at a loose end. He has HUGE experience in being in different parties .. a natural fit for this lot then .. after failing in the Chch Mayoral race and with Dalziel campaigning to challenge Bob next time, he may well resurrect himself as head mofo for the Mana Party

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  99. Dobbie (36 comments) says:

    Virtual – I’m a Green Party member and bloody pleased with the launch of this new party. It’ll clear out the remnants of the hard-left who have been holding the Greens to ransom. Might be a slight drop in share of vote but so what – it’ll set the party up for the future. What I like is that Hone’s mob will further expose Labour for the frauds they’ve become. Excellent!

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  100. niggly (830 comments) says:

    You’ve forgotten Annette Sykes – recycled Maori radical and attendee at Libyian terror training camps in the 80′s. With Sue Communist Bradford and John Maoist Minto and hard left trade unionist Matt McCarten the hard left have their best dream vehicle since New Labour and without the dominating presence of Jim Anderton! All pretty mainstream to me!!

    Just watch the above’s ego’s get dented when Hone invites them home for a cuppa (to do some election planning).

    Titewhai will be washing Matt’s foul mouth out with soap each time says the “f” word, Minto will be scrubbing the floors (he would actually volunteer to do that to curry favour seeing he represents the “whitey”), meanwhile Annette will be doing the dishes and Sue cooks, whilst Mama Titewhai plots (instructs) her son.

    Wonder if Maori TV news could send a crew around and video them as a “day in the life’ of these “exciting” times in history? (Y’know like how Paul Holmes went into Helen and her hubby’s house when she was elected PM)?

    Would be an entertaining/ratings hit :-)

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  101. Manolo (13,755 comments) says:

    Socialist/communist policies of envy preached by a group of malcontents who have never achieved anything in life. They are a motley array of troughers, loafers, suspect academics, social misfits, and plain nutters.

    Barring the thug Harawira winning his seat (you wonder the kind of people who would vote for this individual), the Mana Party does not have a hope in hell in any other electorate. On the bright side: it will help to split the left vote even more.

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  102. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    I consider it highly appropriate that Hone Hatfield has opted for the MANA acronym…

    Misfits And Nonentities Association?

    Malcontents And Nutbars Alliance?

    Mofo’s And Niggly Activists?

    Mostly Arrested No Alibis?

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  103. niggly (830 comments) says:

    I’d rather they called themselves the MAMA Party.

    “Who’s been a good mama’s boy, and made her proud, then eh, son”! :-)

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  104. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Sarah Palin would be at home on this thread. Seriously. The right are shit scared because global capitalism is sliding further in to crisis. The bankers have had their go at running the world. Them and their millions of establishment lemmings have screwed it all up. These guys will not be afraid to point an alternative course. Hone Harawera has king-kong balls. You right mofos should be worried.

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  105. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    mb the communists had their go at running a large part of the world in the 20th century. Didn’t turn out so well. 100 million dead. You might have heard of that? But it seems that some of their lemmings haven’t quite shaken off the delusion yet.

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  106. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Yes the fear is palpable. What happens when Goff goes? Then the old right guard in labour is dead. I see the NZ left becoming much more unified, organised and tenacious in the coming years. 21 years ago, against the will of its members, the CTU voted down a general strike in protest of the Employment Contracts Act. This killed the NZ left. it has only just now built up the steam to re-emerge. NZ capital has 20 years of stagnant wage levels to pay for. Let the party begin!

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  107. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    PIA – you are obviously a raging cracker – who has yet to learn the difference between democratic socialism and leninism. Go get schooled kid.

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  108. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Feel like celebrating with a shout-out to Hone – the underground rap star, bitches.

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  109. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    It’s good to see the left are still providing free entertainment. The probable outcome reminds me of the PFJ JPF scene in The Life of Brian.

    Q: What do you get if you put two lefties in a room?

    A: Three different parties.

    One of the good things about being on the right, is that you can disagree; yet not have to demonise the other faction, or party.

    The way things are going I’ve got half a mind to come back to NZ for election night. I guess I’ll just have to watch it on the net though.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  110. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    The right are shit scared because global capitalism is sliding further in to crisis. The bankers have had their go at running the world. Them and their millions of establishment lemmings have screwed it all up. These guys will not be afraid to point an alternative course.

    What, one steered by John Hatfield and Annette Sykes?

    Go ahead, split the left vote. Play into Don Brash’s ancient hands. It’s what we all want.

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  111. kiwi in america (2,449 comments) says:

    David Prosser – hehe

    Magic Bullet
    Move to Cuba or North Korea – you’ll feel right at home. The right have absolutely nothing to fear from this rag tag bunch of lefties. NZers will flock to a banner of Chavez style nationalizations mingled with a Social Credit FTT….not!

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  112. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Magic bullet you’re a deluded fantasist. Everyone with a brain is laughing their arse off at this motley crew of communst loons and their attempt to split the left vote and take themselves and the greens straight to sub 5% oblivion. Seriously, your hope to re-make the world in Karl Marx’s image is Bradford, Minto, and Hatfield? Oh dear jesus that is hilarious!

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  113. niggly (830 comments) says:

    The other laugh will be, like all good hard-left Party’s, everyone will be always sharpening their knives whilst they watch their backs….

    Who do you think will be the first to put the proverbial knife into the other and who will that be?

    Bet the “Bros” think Minto is toooo much of a try hard ….?

    Matt’s a bit of an upstart ….?

    Annette will be watching the antics of the “boys” with some disdain ….?

    Sue will probably have to take up the reins to hold the rabble together …?

    Nando, if he had any sense, would “spark-one-up”, sit back and watch these hard-out nut-cases see “who’s da man” and then come out of the fight with his hemp suit unscratched ….?

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  114. niggly (830 comments) says:

    Hey what else would cause the Mana Party to implode due to internal fractions?

    Bet Minto will soon get pissed off with Nandor for wearing fine herb suits (looking like some sort of new age bourgeois fashion follower) rather than turn up to events wearing bright old wooly jerseys and worn jeans, the uniform of the prole protester etc.

    Bet Nandor would soon start getting pissed off with Matt, for always “accidentally” suffering a stuttering attack and inhaling 20 times when Nandor passes the doobie around.

    Bet Hone get’s pissed off with Nandor for always smoking, even if it isn’t evil corporate big tobacco.

    Bet Hone get’s pissed off with Minto, when Hone and mum want to go to South Africa on a parliamentary trip and have their photo taken with Nelson Mandella, whilst Minto pulls out the megafone and shouts out that Mandella is a “sell-out”.

    Bet Annette think’s Sue will never be staunch enough cos she’s not brown.

    :-)

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  115. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Yeah – laugh it up kiwiblog commentariate – so detached from what’s going on, yet so sure of yourselves. The right; always so full of bluster and hubris when in charge, then rage and frustration when in opposition. Strange people.

    You guys just don’t get it unless there’s a focus group involved.

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  116. ch123 (647 comments) says:

    From the right’s perspective your comment applies to the left.

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  117. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    niggly 1:54 “Wonder if Maori TV news could send a crew around and video them” funny you should say that. I saw the MTV presenter standing behind Hatfield on the news item. I have forgotten his name but he maybe the one who got himself into the shit last year. Not sure if he was there as a MTV presenter or follower

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  118. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    ch123 – i understand the position of a rightist better than they do most of the time. Most of them have never read Aristotle’s Politics, nor John Locke, or Adam Smith. They don’t even know their own intellectual heritage. Perhaps this is why the right is so bereft of intellectual life….

    It’s all econ 101 – blended with limbic-brain competition with most of them.

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  119. reid (16,445 comments) says:

    Yeah – laugh it up kiwiblog commentariate – so detached from what’s going on, yet so sure of yourselves.

    Absolutely mb. We just think we’re really amazing and everything is super, including ourselves, period.

    The right; always so full of bluster and hubris when in charge, then rage and frustration when in opposition. Strange people.

    I don’t think you get us at all mb. That’s definitely not how we are. We have rage and frustration when we’re in power, as well.

    Duh.

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  120. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    reid – to be fair – you aren’t as moronic as a great many on the kiwiblog right. You seem to … read as well, which excludes you from being a true-blue kiwiblogger.

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  121. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Keep up the damage control, mongy bullet. Everyone except the hardcore ideologues realises that the left vote is going to split faster than a virgin’s arsehole at her first porn shoot.

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  122. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    If we get really lucky, maybe they will piss enough kiwis off and the racist Maori seats will finally get the flick.

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  123. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Hurf – you forget Hone’s seat and that we changed to mmp in 1996.

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  124. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    If this is where Hone’s political leanings are he must have been spewing when the Maori Party went into coalition with the Nats.

    I’m starting to give Phil Goff a little more kudos for refusing to work with Hone, and given the policies and personnel, I can’t see any way the Mana party could be a coalition partner for National.

    The big question is, will the Maori party stand a candidate in the by-election?

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  125. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Magic bullet I reckon you’re about 18 years old, 20 at the most. I say this because I’ve noticed the way you pick up some phrase and it becomes your theme of the week that explains everything. What was it last week, “non linear oscillations” or some such new-age non-science? Now you’ve discovered the limbic brain. You should get together with phool, he reckons everything is to do with the amygdyla.
    This is very characteristic of someone with no life experience and no grounding in common sense, they have no firm basis for judging whether buzzwords and theories are worth anything and just grab the the latest one like a child grabbing a brightly coloured lolly. It will take a few trips to the dentist, but in tme you’ll come to understand that the sugar is bad for you.

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  126. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    PIA – i put your age at 13 or so, simply based on …. oh fuck, it’s gonna be like kicking a cripple. Forget it.

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  127. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Hahahaha, Hone’s seat. That’ll save the Moaner Party in the same way Epsom will save ACT, right?

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  128. Manolo (13,755 comments) says:

    Surely, comrade bullet must be smoking the finest of the finest Colombian weed.

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  129. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Jeez magic bullet, I give you analysis, and you have nothing in reply but insults? Nice to know I hit close to the mark.
    But I understand the source of your frustration. As a naive, gullible youth, each time you pick up a new theory-that-explains-everything it’s a blinding light of truth to you, and you feel like you must proseletyse the world. You must tell everyone this revelation that only you know that explains everything. BUt you’re not capable of seeing the flaws that are obvious to those of us who live in the real world. You simply can’t accept that to everyone else who has a gauge of common sense and practical reality, you’re fluttering around chasing magic butterflies. Why don’t they believe in my butterflies???? It must be fear. Yes that’s it. Hahhahaha I’ve got them on the run!!!!!!

    No.

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  130. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    Typically Mike Treen of Unite demonstrates the lefts inability to express a coherent fiscal policy, instead opting to spout unproven economic theory that belongs in the last century.
    For instance Kiwirail and Air New Zealand have taken large dollops of taxpayer money to survive, what is Mike Treens solution for that.
    Capital investment is required in infrastrucuture projects such as roading, where will Mike get the money from when the transaction tax is so low?. Impracticle.
    Until Unite and Hone Harawira come up with a fiscal package that works, no one including Te Tai Tokerau will take them seriously.

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  131. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    KevinH
    “Unproven” or “disproven”?

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  132. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    KH

    You’ve just ‘crystalised’ a series of questions which have bothered me about Tree and ‘Unite’ – thanks.

    The questions are as follows:

    1. With Macarten and Tree firmly placing themselves in Hone’s camp, where doe that place the ‘Unite’ union and its union members – especially if the latter do not wish to be associated in any way with the Hone-group?

    2. Will they be compelled to support Hone by virtue of their membership of ‘Unite’?

    3. Will the ‘Unite’ union funds become Mana funds in the same way that the EPMU et al funds Labour?

    4. What is the Union’s status within the ‘worker’ movement now that its leader has chosen to side with Hone and (by inference) placed himself in direct opposition to Andrew Little (we msut all work together comrades. . )

    5. If a ‘Unite’ union member, objecting to his union’s association with Hone, quits in protest, what is his legal status?

    6. What would be the expected reaction by ‘Unite’ members if one of their own quit in protest about the union’s association with Hone? isolation? Work to rule, pressure exerted on management?

    7. If a Unite’ union empoyee is fired, for objecting about Macarten and Tree’s actions, in asssociating with Hone, would this be a case of unjustified dismissal?

    Serious answers anyone?

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  133. ch123 (647 comments) says:

    But it’s a union. They know what’s best for you. You don’t need to think for yourself.

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  134. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Ch123

    But if you DO . . . . . ?

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  135. ch123 (647 comments) says:

    If you do then you probably wouldn’t have been in a union in the first place ;)

    But seriously… this is one of the major problems with unions – they fund political parties, which in the past has always meant Labour.

    It’s also why compulsory unionism should never be enacted ever again, because the workers all end up effectively funding political parties that they may not agree with the policies of.

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  136. fucknuts007 (2 comments) says:

    the people who vote for the mana party have to be the most illiterate retards which New Zealand has produced!

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  137. Zarchoff (100 comments) says:

    “Like it or not there will be at least one other MOFO MP in the house with him.”

    Well that is assuming he can get at least 1.5% or so in the party vote. Dunne and Anderton won their electorate seats in 2008 but didn’t bring any friends in with them.

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  138. Zarchoff (100 comments) says:

    “Bet Annette think’s Sue will never be staunch enough cos she’s not brown.”

    Neither is Annette!

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  139. OURNZ Party (2 comments) says:

    The much touted Financial Transaction Tax being touted by Hone Harawira and the MANA Party was originally adapted by me for the party known as DDP in 2004 for the General Elections in 2005. Now I have carried that policy into OURNZ Party which is going through its formal registration process.

    Thinking it was a great idea to unite as many minor parties that had areas of agreement, I approached Hone Harawira via relations of his. He called me and basically stated that before any meeting took place I was to do two things for him 1) send him the OURNZ Party policies (available on our temporary website at http://www.ournz.net.nz) to see if there were areas we could agree and 2) have Mike Tamaki call him. This was done and from that point to this, I have not had any other contact.

    His application of the Transaction Tax is not appropriate and will in fact raise prices, not lower them. The following is the 1% Financial Transaction Tax as it should be implemented:

    Policy 3 Taxation

    The simple fact is, before Government debt, there was no taxation (except of course that which Monarch levied against people to satisfy their indebtedness to the Banksters – same thing different day). The idea that a Government can demand a large portion of your wealth every year because it was stupid enough to allow “money changers” to get it into a cycle of irredeemable debt and therefore control the economy in all aspects is nothing short of criminal.

    The adopted model of taxation in New Zealand is nothing more than a dysfunctional rout imported from other nations at the behest of the financial institutions that dictate government policies. A fundamentally flawed ideology that taxation decreases a nation’s debt and helps to pay for government expenditure could not be further from the truth!

    New Zealand current company and personal taxation rates are far too high, meaning that companies are at a disadvantage when trying to compete with other countries for foreign investment and business on the world stage. In fact the taxation rates are too high and a hindrance to real growth period!

    OURNZ Party Solution:

    A 1% Transaction Tax on all outgoing financial transactions (i.e. when you draw $500.00 from your account, you pay 1% or $5.00); This Transaction Tax will replace GST, Income Tax, Company Tax, Provisional Tax, Petrol Tax and ALL other taxes including the many “hidden” taxes.

    The simplicity of this taxation system is incredible; software programmed into New Zealand Reserve Bank’s electronic clearing system will achieve the desired results;

    1. Every hour of the day money is withdrawn from savings accounts, cheque accounts, insurance companies, business and investment organisations, and financial institutions of all kinds. Indeed, ALL monetary transactions are withdrawn from some type of bank or financial institution that holds money in trust.

    2. New Zealand Reserve Bank electronic clearing system Report will clearly state the average of what is transacted through the banking system EVERY WORKING DAY in ordinary business trading.

    3. Just one simple and moderate Transaction Tax of say for example 1 percent (1%) on all monies transacted, will provide New Zealand Treasury with annual operating revenue sufficient to build upon monetary reforms implemented as described above. This is calculated on 260 working days at the average of total transactions providing a total transacted amount per annum sufficient to address public requirements; this is how we arrive at a revenue generation figure based per annum at just 1% of total transactions made.

    4. It will be sufficient to control any fluctuation in the economy and help pay for the required Government expenditure.

    We propose that the introduction of the Transaction Tax could be seamlessly implemented under the current economic conditions and in conjunction with the Monetary Reforms.

    Some may be of the opinion that by applying a Transaction Tax (and therefore increasing taxation revenue), this would have a negative effect on the economy, as if to diminish its capital value. This is a completely false notion and will, in fact, have a beneficial effect on the economy through its effectiveness in being able to tax the 5% of the people that hold 90% of the wealth through tax avoidance and careful manipulation of the current system – including the banks.

    This solution will bring economic prosperity, major increases in employment and less dependence on the State. It will give people a sense of value and worth, thereby increasing the mental and physical health of people and much more. Most important of all, the Taxation Policy we propose will greatly reduce the strain of workplace relations between management and workers, family violence and discord due to lack of funds and increase the quality of life for all New Zealanders.

    Money was intended as a method by which goods and services are distributed at an agreed value. Money was never meant to be a product/commodity in itself. The solution is not to tax the real wealth of this country (i.e. labour, resources, business enterprise etc), but rather to tax the method by which that wealth is distributed. With no income tax, nor GST to pay, each person will effectively have a discretionary revenue increase (a pay rise).

    “We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle” – Winston Churchill

    As you can see, I know this policy inside out as I was the one that write it in 2004. DDP campaigned on it in 2005 and I still have the leaflet from then to prove it. ALL MP’s were sent a copy of this information between November 2008 and January 2009 when I wrote the document ‘Economic Reform: Monetary System and Taxation’ November 2008.

    So, the only Party that actually understands the application of the policy properly is OURNZ Party and we shall be campaigning on this and other policies this year. We also welcome any and all to join us on the OURNZ Group discussion page on Facebook.

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  140. Kiwi-pride (1 comment) says:

    And who said those were the policies of the Mana party. If anything i bet those so called policies were orgastrated by a caucasian no doubt to ridicule the genuine efforts Hone is wanting to achieve for the betterment of ALL New Zealanders. Just reading through all the comments above people who aren’t informed of what Hone is really about have shown their better face of arrogance and ignorance. I ask you.. What has National and Labour done for this country? New Zealand is currently $50 billion in debt and government wants to sell our assests off to foreign investors. The Bible clearly says one of the signs before Gods coming is that the rich will get richer the poor will get poorer not at their own expense but at the hands of governments. National particularly Bill English and Don Brash are two people that are heading that very way in making sure the rich get richer, hey National government is using $10 million of tax payers money to shout dignitaries free transport lexus and BMWs, free banquet of the finest dining etc during the Rugby world cup leaving our very own people who are suffering down in christchurch that the $10 million could be used for, bloody dignitaries are rich enough to pay for themselves at the rugby world cup so as you can see Labour especially National are no better and what harm can be done from giving someone else a shot just vote them out next elections but as for me im willing to bet on Mana so they will get my vote this election dont care what anyone else says so put your differences aside and wake up!!!

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