An unusual guest post
May 22nd, 2011 at 4:02 pm by David FarrarWhale has an unusual guest poster at Gotcha – Labour MP Clare Curran.
I wonder if the deal is reciprocal, and this means Whale gets guest posting rights at Red Alert? 
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May 22nd, 2011 at 4:08 pm
for some reason, I haven’t been able to login??
Vote:CC mentions “One of the best things about being a Kiwi is that we have a bullshit radar”. She must turn hers off when around her older colleagues. She has potential. If she will be a good MP, it will only when Mallard, Goff, King and other hypocritical flip floppers have gone.
she does have a sexy voice though
May 22nd, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Such pretty, reasonable words. Shame she’s on the scorched earth side of the fence!
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Red Alert does allow guest posts from Labour candidates for parliament. Might take Whale a while to get selected.
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 4:38 pm
She made me think of Prebble, Bassett, Shirley, Douglas and Caygill.
Vote:I doubt whether she would be part of what Damien O’Connor called “the gaggle”.
May 22nd, 2011 at 4:41 pm
I read her post. She’d have a sympathetic ear from people, if she wasn’t as guilty as the rest of her lying, duplicitous liabour party hacks she hangs out with.
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Pity can’t log on to gotcha. Nice post, nice sentiments. But I think anyone in politics could agree with it all – since they are generalities and aspirations, not actions to get there.
And that’s where I disagree with Clare. If we accept that most people in politics would agree with those aspirations, then we’re not short of vision. We all know where we want to go. The problem is about how to get there, and that does exactly need a chief executive – it does exactly need someone who can weigh the alternative options that claim to achieve that outcome, and pick the one that actually works at the minimum cost to the taxpayer, with minimal unexpected side effects.
I would suggest that if Clare genuinely believed the outcomes she’s suggesting, and genuinely weighed the evidence, she’d probably become a right winger. Since the right wing generally believe in those same aspirations, but propose methods to get there that actually work.
For example, if our aspiration is a higher wage economy, the left would generally think the path is to regulate higher wages, and while we’re at it introduce some red tape around businesses to make sure they’re treating those staff right. This is superfically attractive – if you want higher wages then just regulate higher wages.
The right generally look at the economy as a whole. Pushing up wages in isolation will reduce employment, as it makes some work uneconomic. The right instead tend to focus on improving productivity so that each worker is worth more in the global market, and on reducing government dead weight so it’s easier to create jobs.
The policies of the left tend to create all sorts of unexpected problems – higher unemployment, impacts on our global competitiveness. The policies of the right involve a bit more deep thinking, and create a sustainable increase in wages that doesn’t drive down employment.
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Clare Curran’s specialism is ‘language in politics’ so she believes that the best way to win an argument is to use the ‘right kind’ of words. Or in this case, seduce the oppostion by showing enough balls to go into the heart of the opposition’s camp. This has little to do with whether one is prepared to debate with opposing views but more about whether one can ‘get across’ one’s own views by sweetening the message sufficiently to make it apppear palatable. You know the approach. If people don’t agree with you then you have to work harder to ‘get across’ you message. Same ilk as Sue Bradford if people tell you your message is wrong, you blame it ontheir inability to understand you and seek to ‘educate’ them to your own way of thinking by any means necesary. In short, Curran espouses is everything that the lefties accuse JK of being – style over substance, spin and Cosby-Textor type reinvention of superficial sound-bitey language in the name of political expediency. So I guess she’ll do quite well, then.
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 5:15 pm
love the passage were she said: I’m a new politician…..well well, that shows when you send begging letters to people in South Otago (Balclutha) and tell them ” I have been your MP for nearly 3 years” …epic facepalm
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 5:19 pm
“And I don’t care if you disagree with me as long as you listen, and debate the real issues. And not the person” .. now I can only handle Redablurt for a few days before I need cleansing and keep away for awhile. Sexy Clare does seem fairer in listening than Trev, BUT she is still new enough not now the past of her party. That actually maybe a good thing in fact. She mentioned the Railways a few weeks ago saying something about how well the workshops are going. No Clare, they USED to be huge employer of tradesmen and labourers .. and Labour voters. It was LABOUR that ripped the heart out of this State Employer.
Vote:The Railways was a sort of retirement village BUT there are still 1,000′s of trained fitters, turners, boilermakers etc in our workforce who owe their position and income to NZR .. I am one.
I wish HER luck in the years to come.
May 22nd, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Errrm, when you joined, did you have a look around at all?
Did you not notice the democracy killing EFA? The failed dirt collection on National? The leader’s protection of Phillip Taito Field?
Did you not see the opinion polls back then? Did you seriously not notice any of this???
That’s right. Why else do you think that you are in opposition? And what do you think that radar is telling us about your post?
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Can’t log in to Gotcha? Interesting. Maybe the post has a bug. Quick get security.
Vote:The bullshit radar is on and working
May 22nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm
She appears to be long on bullshit and short on radar.
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 6:10 pm
A many splendid thing that Clare has the balls to come on Gotcha and stick her head up. It raises her stocks at least 10 points in my eyes, shame some of the wreckers and haters that seem to inhabit Red Alert don’t have similar sized pills.
Vote:It might make for some interesting and unusually for these people uncensored debate, a shit load better than sitting on the sidelines whinging like little bitches, and trying as hard as they can to pour petrol on any embers they think they can start a fire with et al BMWs etc.
On the down side we see Fool Goof doing his best to provide the great unwashed with a wage rise, albeit out of NZ business owners pockets. some things just never change, this fucktard still can’t grasp that it isn’t his money to give away, he just can’t fathom that when you add $1.50 to the bottom of the pile, you have to add at least as much and probably more to everyone above them, well done Fool it’s good to see you are still as generous as ever with other peoples money, and he still fails to see that the only job growth from this strategy is the dole.
May 22nd, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Be warned. Letting Liarbours best spin doctor into the tent will hurt. Whale just tell her to fuck off until she allows you full unrestricted access to Red Alert.
Be aware this is all part of the undermining plan started by Liarbour.
She is trying hard to be normal and we all know that is a long way from the norm.
I would post on Whaleoil but his comments sections appears fucked.
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 6:28 pm
There have been login problems for days at Gotcha and unable to comment at all on the odd occasion that you can get access.
Vote:I am wondering if Liabore has fucked up his site as an act of vengeance for the recent forays on to their social networking efforts.
May 22nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Jeez Clare. What a load of platitudinous, self-indulgent waffle.
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Cam is working as we speak to get Gotcha sorted, as mentioned above, been like this for a few days now…
I agree with Blue Coast, tell her to fuck right off until the deal works both ways…
I am sorry, but I cant stomach a pinko MP’s aspirations, because if they wish to do what is best for this country, that would mean swing to the right.. Again, as has been mentioned loads in this thread, the pinkos only know to take money from the deemed wealthy and distribute it to the peeps whom dont want to get off of their asses….
Sexy voice or whatever, she will be a cloak & dagger pinko…. I trust a pinko as far as I can kick them……
Trevor you cluster fuck, it might take whale a while will it? Why is that, oh because of the fear of the Pinkos on red a blurt?
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words, in which case Labour is seriously screwed. If CC is a first term MP it’s reasonable enough to be idealistic, but I think the problem lies in the parliamentary system that produces 27 year ‘vets’ like Phil Goof who is way past his use by date.
If anything needs to be done about politics and politicians in general here then I think we should limit all politicians to a maximum of four terms and increase the parliamentary term between elections from 3 years to 4 years. All politicians employment conditions and perks to be set by a politically independent authority – no more voting yourself pay increases, or tweaking your own superannuation scheme.
Do away with MMP – it is a vehicle to minority factions and subject to self absorbed populists who focus on producing sound bites, speechs and policies that their supporters just love to hear, rather than anything that will address the wellbeing of the country as a whole – Winston Peters I’m looking at you.
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Think submarines – escape hatch – post on a blog that Helen detests.
Vote:Electioneering at it’s best. Goofy is a gone burger but you Clare will keep your job in Dunedin. Using Whale to attack the top 4 in Liarbore is a good move.
Now, how about letting some of us comment on Red Blert, you know, the ones that you and Trev gave a life ban for questioning your judgement?
May 22nd, 2011 at 8:36 pm
A page full of platitudes, followed by a plea to “debate the real issues”. We all want NZ to be Utopia Clare, how are you going to make it happen?
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Some great replies on this thread already. I especially liked what PaulL had to say and agree with Lee C.
CC’s whole post is thick with generalities but very short on specifics and that’s where the problem lies. Just about any politician from any of the parties could easily have said the exact same things with a straight face. So it makes me wonder, what was the point? Surely she doesn’t think she’s going to be able to “rehabilitate” any of us right wing death beasts with waffle like that!
So long as her party remains committed to rewarding the lazy and the stupid and punishing the successful and the hard-working, she will never be able to convince me that anything she said in that post is anything but platitudes.
Vote:May 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Red Alert does allow guest posts from Labour candidates for parliament. Might take Whale a while to get selected.
See Trev this just shows the implacable bias inherent within Labour’s anatomy. To suggest Cam doesn’t have a snowballs amidst the rough and tumble of Labour’s politics suggests complete unwillingness to open oneself to alternative perspectives.
I’m frankly, very disappointed and quite surprised.
Vote:May 23rd, 2011 at 1:35 am
I found her post a bit self-consciously ingratiating, like when Guy Fawkes sometimes comments on this blog.
“dicking around”, “wankers”, “bullshit”. She’s speaking their language! Yeah!
Vote:May 23rd, 2011 at 1:41 am
@Reid
Your comparison is false. Red Alert is a corporate blog run in the interests of the Labour. Whaleoil is a personal blog in the interests of Whaleoil.
Implacable bias? Of course! It’s a political party, that’s the whole point!
Vote:May 23rd, 2011 at 6:55 am
Well gee, that was a nice fluff piece of motherhood and apple pie.
“I’m a new politician, I want to make the world great, play the ball not the (wo)man”.
Nice sentiment. Vacuous value.
Clare, how about with your next guest post you outline what policy you think we as a country could pursue with our “underclass” of kids with little or no education, and little or no application? Or what policy you think we as a country could pursue regarding free trade – you know that thing that allows the poorer end of society to buy goods cheaply, but which costs them jobs? Or what policy you think we as a country could pursue regarding an ever-increasing demand and cost for healthcare?
Vote:May 23rd, 2011 at 7:24 am
Vacuous, empty words from a socialist airhead, and one who belonged to Clark’s clique.
Vote:This woman has no credibility whatsoever.
May 23rd, 2011 at 7:56 am
Will indeed be interesting how Clare responds to many of the comments on this thread, if in fact she does…
That will enable some more in depth measure be made….
Vote:May 23rd, 2011 at 11:24 am
LIARBORE!!!!!
FECK!
DRINK!
Vote: