Another day, another smear

May 12th, 2011 at 10:53 am by David Farrar

Sigh, they just have not learnt from the H-Fee. This latest smear is, in my opinion, actually worse than the H-Fee smear. You see with the H-Fee I do credit that Mike Williams did at least have an honest belief that John Key was the evil mastermind of the H-Fee transaction as he got Key’s signature confused with someone else. So it was a clumsy incompetent smear – but at least one they thought was true.

The smear is worse than that, Because Mallard and Hipkins know it is not true. The most simple of checks would establish the two companies named are totally seperate companies with no common share-holding.

Labour have basically alleged that a $50,000 donation to National from Team McMillan Limited was linked to the Government taking up the option (in the contract Labour negotiated) to upgrade the VIP fleet of BMW cars from BMW New Zealand.

I am amazed some media have focused on who signed off on what, rather than the far more important point that the two companies are totally seperate.

The company that did a deal with DIA is BMW New Zealand Ltd. Their sole shareholder is BMWHoldings B V in The Netherlands. The two directors are Guenther Seeman of Germany and Mark Gilbert of Auckland – the mananging director.

 The company that donated to National is Team McMillan BMW. Their two shareholders are MacFam  Ltd and Collins Asset Management Investments Ltd. MacFam Ltd is owned by Bob McMillan, Kerry McMillan, Ronald Jamieson and James Syme. Collins is owned by Cottisloe Holdings which is owned by Timothy Cook and Beverly Collins.

Team McMillan BMW did not benefit by one cent from the DIA decision. In fact they say they were unaware of it.

So the story is an absolute nonsense. But I suspect we will see lots more of these to come – Labour seem determined to run the same style campaign as they did in 2008.

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55 Responses to “Another day, another smear”

  1. Christopher Thomson (376 comments) says:

    And will any of the media report these facts?

    I tried explaining this to my wife last night after we saw the story on the tele. She, unfortunately, is a Labour supporter and no explanation could shake her from her crowing that Key is dishonest.

    See, this bullshit does work on the feeble-minded and women.

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  2. Monty (978 comments) says:

    On a radio station this morning John Key quite correctly called Hipkins and Mallard liars. They are – so Trev and Chippie – come out and sue John Key if he is wrong – or stand up and admit it was a low life smearand apologise for being liars.

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  3. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Donations to a political party CAN earn you political favours. For instance, EPMU’s financial support of the Labour Party earned them the right to appoint the party president and the presumptive next party leader.

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  4. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    John Key was also seen on the grassy knoll. With a gun.

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  5. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Pretty sure John Key was behind the wheel but Teddy Kennedy took the fall.

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  6. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    Agree its a total smear, but – credit where due – it’s a “smart” smear. It highlights big business donating to the Nats (and of course, business is evil), and it keeps the BMW upgrade deal fresh in everyone’s minds.

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  7. Linda Reid (415 comments) says:

    Barry Sopher last night on ZB defended his reporting of this by saying ‘perception is reality’. Um no. Labour were trying to create a perception. Your job, Mr Sopher, is find out the facts behind the perception and report that.

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  8. berend (1,709 comments) says:

    But you can credit the Labour team that with this smears they artfully avoid newspapers writing articles on their lack of policies.

    I mean, if you don’t have policies, at least make sure newspapers don’t report that.

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  9. decanker (184 comments) says:

    Where did the second-hand ones go?

    [DPF: They are still owned by Govt. DIA have indicated probably sell by tender or auction after RWC]

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  10. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Yep a smart smear, I was gobsmacked whemn Key suggested that the NZ parliament did not have the right to break a contract concerning the BMWs.

    What the hell happened to parliament being the most powerful court in the land ?

    Ah well the Maori seats are safe because they are bound by a contract.

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  11. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    I see a different motive at play here. Labour are scared of losing the stupid faction of their voter base to the Mana Party. These smears are designed to push the buttons of those without critical thinking ability. They’re not really expecting anyone with multiple brain cells to believe them.

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  12. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    McMillan BMW is hardly “big business”.

    Here we see Key faking threats against him to justify his DPS protection:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4994353/Threat-to-Prime-Minister-John-Keys-life

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  13. dimmocrazy (286 comments) says:

    Now I’ve read all of that, I am very thoroughly aware of the legal niceties involving separate companies, and I am NOT in away supportive of Labour or their dirty smear campaigns. I am also convinced that everything is above board here…but if you for one second believe that the simple fact of these being different companies, while everything else between them is so utterly interconnected, is the final answer to this type of questions, then you are utterly naive to the point of being gullible.
    One can easily come up with a scenario where closely similar facts would sustain a thorough investigation. In politics there is, and must be, a fine line between the legally accurate position and the perception that may be raised. Now Labour is again playing this very stupidly of course, but if handled better this thing could have been hugely damaging.
    The whole idea that corporate New Zealand is running around with 50,000 dollar cheques to hand out impromptu and willy-nilly to political parties at cocktail functions may play to the masses, but it’s not the reality. Having ministers drive around in a fleet of top notch limousines, must be at least a promotional bonus to any dealer of that brand, and this argument was no doubt used to negotiate the contract as well. We have also seen Key staunchly defending the contract, regardless of who signed it and how cost effective or prudent or arms-length it was. It makes perfect sense that NZ’s largest dealer was happy with that performance and having the issue played out on TV for weeks in a row (after all, all publicity is good, especially if its always in the context of these being absolute top notch vehicles). That happiness may well have translated in a generous donation. Again, nothing wrong legally at all, but morally, and how this looks, is a very different story, and it is that story which the voter will be looking at when he is also asked to again tighten the belt, while the government keeps spending like its going out of fashion.

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  14. big bruv (13,894 comments) says:

    Most political junkies (in other words, nearly everybody who posts here) will know that Hipkins and Mallard are liars, however, as Whale is so keen to say…….if you are explaining you are losing….

    It is time that the Nat’s let the attack dogs loose on Labour, this is only the start of Labour going feral, the Nat’s need to start fighting back immediately.

    Oh…and keep that kid Jami-Lee Ross of the bloody television, he was cleaned up by that stupid bint Jacinda Adern this morning on Breakfast TV.

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  15. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    FFS Will anyone really base their vote on the marque of the Crown cars? Spare me.

    I loved the media that used to take the story of the day and objectively examine its truth or otherwise. Very helpful for those of us with short memories, short attention spans or willingness to fall for the latest spin.

    I guess it’s too much to ask for that from our hacks.

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  16. s.russell (1,642 comments) says:

    Arrrgh, what a dilemma! I can’t decide whether I am more disgusted with Labour for making the smear or the media for repeating it…. I think the latter.

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  17. Scott (1,800 comments) says:

    I guess that’s one way of looking at it Dimm. On the other hand we might say that we have the sight of a desperate opposition trying desperately to smear the Prime Minister with no guiding principle apart from if you throw enough mud some must stick.

    And I would expect journalists to try and unearth the truth behind such allegations and not hide behind “perception is reality”. If it is true that national took a bribe then that should be exposed. However if it is not true, if actually the BMW deal was honouring something put in place by the previous government, and if the BMW people who gave the donation are of a totally different company, then that should be clearly stated by the media. The facts are still important.

    And I am sick of constant smearing. It mostly comes from the left in my opinion. They need to work out some decent policies to try and get New Zealand out of the financial mess that the previous labour government contributed so mightily to get us in.

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  18. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @dimmocrazy 11.22am.

    I suspect you must be in the media because they also have a propensity to not let the facts get in the way of a good story either.

    the way I hear it, Bob McMillan hosted a function and raised funds for the PM / National Party. He then topped it up the amount raised on the night with some personal funds to round off the total amount paid, to $50,000. Fantastic.

    So where on earth is the link between this payment and a rolled over contract originally signed by Labour?

    Actually, there isn’t one!

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  19. projectman (224 comments) says:

    “Barry Sopher last night on ZB defended his reporting of this by saying ‘perception is reality’.”

    My perception is that Mr Soper is a prat. Is that reality?

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  20. Chris2 (766 comments) says:

    If I recall correctly, these replacement BMW’s were part of the original deal that the Labour Government initiated when it bought the first batch of BMW’s when it was in office.

    Much in the same way the current Government is obliged to honour the Labour Government’s deal to fund Team NZ with $36 million.

    It was the Labour Government that committed the taxpayers to the second lot of BMW’s – all National has done is ask BMW if they can keep the old ones a bit longer so they have more BMW’s (old and new) at their disposal during the Rugby World Cup.

    If I am wrong on this would someone please correct me.

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  21. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    Of course the story is absolute nonsense but (as is endlessly repeated here) perception is everything.

    And if you have to explain it, you lose the argument.

    Are National so hard up (or greedy) for cash that they take everything offered? Isn’t there someone saying, ‘thanks but we can’t accept that donation because it might look like it’s linked to awarding a government contract’?

    Most of the businesses my company work for have very strict rules around accepting hospitality and gifts, for this very reason.

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  22. Jim (398 comments) says:

    “So where on earth is the link between this payment and a rolled over contract originally signed by Labour?

    National orchestrated the Labour Govt purchase of BMWs in 2007. John Key sneakily hypnotised the Labour front bench while they were distracted dreaming of Skodas.

    Even today if you look carefully you can catch a glimpse of Goff staring across the floor at Key’s shiny pocket watch.

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  23. Christopher Thomson (376 comments) says:

    That was a look of envy.

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  24. smttc (752 comments) says:

    Can someone please tell me where Mallard and Hipkins got their information from? A link would be even better.

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  25. Inventory2 (10,340 comments) says:

    I’ve also blogged on this, but won’t worry about a link; you know where I am ;-) But Hipkins has already backed away from the inital smear – this, from today’s Dom-Post (with my emphasis added):

    Labour MP Chris Hipkins raised questions in Parliament yesterday about a $50,000 donation to National last July 30 from Team McMillan, an Auckland BMW dealership. He said the donation followed a meeting by Mr Key’s chief of staff, Wayne Eagleson, with officials about the rollover of the BMWs.

    Mr Hipkins later clarified that his concern was about who would sell the old BMWs. Internal Affairs said no decisions had been made yet but, in the past, old vehicles were disposed of in a variety of ways, including auctions.

    That is bullshit. Go and watch the video of Hipkins’ speech in yesterday’s General Debate (the link is on my blog-post) and there is no doubt whatsoever that Hipkins thought that he had nailed Key over the purchase of the NEW Beemers, not the disposal on the old ones. Let’s see Mallard and Hipkins repeat their allegations OUTSIDE the House, and then watch the writs fly!

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  26. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Does Labour take money from unions and did it dish out pay rises to unionised workers while in government?

    No of course not. They were too busy trying to stop John Key beating up pensioners.

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  27. william blake (109 comments) says:

    BMW.

    At least its not Mercedes or the Brethren.

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  28. big bruv (13,894 comments) says:

    It shows how stupid Labour are and how they have no business sense, when it comes to the BMW deal they are asking the wrong questions.

    There is no doubt at all that the purchase of the NEW BMW’s has nothing to do with the Auckland dealer, nor is there anything in it for the dealer.

    This story may have legs if Labour were smart………………………but they’re not.

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  29. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    Elaycee, you are correct in what you say took place at the fundraiser.

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  30. Rick Rowling (813 comments) says:

    The dog-whistles are out in force, the BMW smear is an example. Another example on yesterday’s Speech by John Key thread:

    berend (757) Says:
    May 11th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    … And some nice subsidies to certain National voters I presume.

    Just two examples *not quite* allegations of corruption with no evidence backing it up. Classic Crosby-Textor dog whistle.

    Funny how the people who complain the most about shitty tactics like this are the first to use them.

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  31. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Yeswedid – “Are National so hard up (or greedy) for cash that they take everything offered? Isn’t there someone saying, ‘thanks but we can’t accept that donation because it might look like it’s linked to awarding a government contract’?”

    Clearly the standard whould be based on what a reasonable person might think. What a dishonest moron would think shouldn’t be relevant, such people will pretend to see conspiracies in anything if they think it’ll make a smear. You would be able to do nothing at all if you worried about the perceptions of people like this.

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  32. Nookin (3,343 comments) says:

    IV2
    There is a report on Whale’s site — Govt Admin Cmttee. Hipkins was a member. The report appears to be dated June 2010. He knew then that the vehicles would be rolled over.

    “VIP transport

    The service is planning to obtain replacement vehicles before the event, but not decommissioning the existing stock until afterwards, thus increasing the number available during the tournament. Contractors will also be used to ensure that there are enough vehicles for visiting guests of Government. Security for guests of Government is to be overseen by the New Zealand Police and their Diplomatic Protection Squad.”

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  33. dimmocrazy (286 comments) says:

    @Elaycee – if what you have heard is correct, the situation wouldn’t be any better. If it is true that NZ’s largest BMW dealer is hosting fundraiser parties for the Nats, with him topping up after the hat being passed around, while the PM was present at that party, having arrived in his (new?) BMW limousine, espousing the magnificence and comfort of his mode of travel, would make the whole story a lot grubbier in my view.
    Just imagine, the dealer sending out invitations to a party for his best business contacts (i.e. customers and such), where no doubt a fine display of automobiles was present, PM attending in his shiny limousine to chat with the masses about the fine advantages of same, some nod, nod, wink, wink fundraising going on.
    If I was indeed in the media, I would certainly have gotten all the correct facts out and would have put the entire story out in the open. If I was a Labour PR person I’d have done the same, but spun it to portray it as one big sleazy gathering of corporate cronies sucking up to Key while the hat was going round, with BMW in one of its manifestations topping things up.
    I would certainly have not left it to tossers such as Hipkins and Mallard to try and be smart with questions in the house.

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  34. niggly (830 comments) says:

    Labour, the gift that keeps giving!

    And will keep giving! No longer content with the Labour’s old guard looking like fools when the try and smear John Key with their mud-raking, we the public were expecting better things from Labour’s new guard i.e. the Chris Hipkins of Labour and so on.

    But no, Chris Hipkins’ has also proven he is just as much a fool as his old guard colleagues!

    Sigh, oh well, what was I thinking? That there was hope in Labour’s new guard? How silly of me!

    More Labour train wrecks and more Labour Gift’s that will keep giving is in store for us! At least it provides cheap entertainment for the masses I suppose.

    If the Labour new guard is as bad as the old guard, expect Labour to be out of office for a very long time …….

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  35. Inventory2 (10,340 comments) says:

    The burning question is this: where is Phil Goff in all of this? Does his silence mean that he agrees with these smears, or has his caucus overruled him, and sent the attack dogs off anyway?

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  36. Nick R (507 comments) says:

    I see some logic in Labour’s approach. Explaining is losing. By forcing the Government to explain, they (a) keep them talking about something they’d rather not discuss – namely BMWs and party donations; and (b) disrupt their ability to talk about the things they would prefer to emphasise. This is basic politics and one of the few ways an opposition can try to grab the initiative from a Government in terms of media coverage etc.

    I imagine the strategy is to keep the Government reacting to Labour’s initiatives rather than making its own.

    Question is – will it work? So far – not so much…

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  37. lastmanstanding (1,297 comments) says:

    dimmocracy

    So the Socialists never have fund raisers and have never ever taken a dollar from the corporate sector?

    Well you could have fooled me

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  38. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Yep I can see it now. People in business lining up to buy BMWs because “that’s the car that government officials drive”. What a selling point!!! And $50,000, why with that you could nearly buy a VW!!!! Clear evidence.

    But you are missing the obvious German connection here.

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  39. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    KiwiGreg Aha! Prince William?

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  40. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    And where is teh usually-vociferous Mr Mallard on this site?

    C’mon Trev – we know you read this page frequently; Be a MAN and front up here and explain /justify your actions

    I DARE you to!!!!!!

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  41. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Nah BeaB – Key’s mother was Austrian. Austria was part of Germany and Key is therefore clearly behind an attempt to ressurrect a Fourth Reich. There is no end to his evil.

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  42. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    And his sucking up to those Germans at Buckingham Palace. How could we have been so stupid? The devil on our doorstep.
    But wait, I hear the roar of a Harley. Phil is here to protect us! Get out your wallets now!

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  43. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Ah yes those damn Saxe-Coburg Gothas!

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  44. peterwn (3,272 comments) says:

    By the same token, unions are equally culpable by donating to Labour Party in apparent consideration for union-friendly labour law..

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  45. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Komata

    Mallard, the go to man when all hope is lost, is busy in the backyard fossicking around at the bottom of the long drop to find something else to try and chuck at Key. Perhaps there is a prospect that the longer he stays down there the more at home he will feel and the less inclined he will be to return.

    Personally however, I hope he does return at least until November given the stirling job he is doing in reminding the voters of this country exactly why that lying thieving disgraceful bunch of pricks should not ever be returned to the treasury benches.

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  46. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Actually BeaB I think we are really onto something – the (German) Royal Family drive Rolls Royce cars. Rolls Royce is currently owned by….drum roll…..BMW!!!!

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  47. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Kate Chapman deserves a serve for her moral compass being out of tune with this piece http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4992046/Key-hits-back-at-Labour-BMW-claims/ The opening statement “Labour’s latest attempt to smear the Prime Minister has turned ugly with John Key accusing some opposition MPs of lying. ” is a masterpiece of trash.

    The matter turned ugly the minute Mallard & Hipkins opened their mouths.

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  48. alwyn (425 comments) says:

    I note that in 2005 Westpac donated money to the Labour party. Westpac had the Government contract to provide banking services.
    I trust that TVNZ will claim that Dr Cullen was corrupt and was bribed by WBC making a donation to the Labour party?

    Similarly I see that Fletchers made a donation to the Labour party also. At some point our little Daffy Mallard was giving untendered contracts to Fletchers to provide a design for his mad little stadium on the Auckland waterfront.
    I trust that TVNZ will claim that Mr Mallard was corrupt and was bribed by Fletchers making a donation to the Labour party?

    If there are minor errors in the dates I don’t care. My conspiracy theory is just as silly as Trevor’s and Wonder Boy’s.
    The only difference is that I don’t have the voice of the Labour party, TVNZ, propogating it.
    Incidentally, when does the cost of running the TVNZ news program have to be declared by the Labour party as an election expense?

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  49. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    I see all the excitement, but avoid all the detail DPF is providing, and instead think of:
    – government buys BMWs
    – BMW dealer donates to govt

    I think that’s all that the Labour party have done. And, to be honest, it’s not that unreasonable. There must be lots of interactions between BMW NZ and BMW dealers – even if the ownership of the companies is entirely separate.

    In short, as usual National (and DPF) are running the wrong defence. The correct defence is “the Labour party signed that contract, we haven’t changed or renegotiated it, nor did we have the right to do so. If the BMW dealer donated to us in the hope of getting that contract, they’re clearly a bit dim, since the contract was not influenced by the government.”

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  50. Blue Coast (165 comments) says:

    What seems to be missed is the Liarbour team has a crap plan.

    Yesterday Key in his speech made many points on Kiwisaver etc that Liarbour could have countered and prehaps made some progress.

    But no they let Ducky and Little Trev fuck the whole opportunity.

    Liarbour just need someone with the IQ above Duckys to see fucking up real opportunities will not get them within a mile of the cheque book.

    Fuckwits. I am blue but like to see at least a bit of a fight.

    Ducky I know you read this so shut the fuck up and give your side at least a small chance.

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  51. Inventory2 (10,340 comments) says:

    @ PaulL. It’s not all that Labour has done. Mallard effectively accused Key yesterday of corruption, and Hipkins wasn’t much better. The donation to National was not even from Team McMillan BMW; that’s how poor Hipkins’ research was. The donations were made by businessmen attending a fundraiser with the PM AT Team McMillan BMW, and Bob McMillan added to it.

    It was a very poor attempt by Labour; poorly researched and poorly presented. That it has been widely condemned both in the blogosphere and belatedly in the media is appropriate. Lastly, Mallard, Hodgson and Hipkins were noticeably quiet at Question Time today.

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  52. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Man there are some thick fucks in this country. All the lefty two bobs ringing talk back and moaning their sorry arse’s off about the nasty Mr Key and deals with big business. A fair proportion of this country’s problems are because we have bred thick as pigshit ,socialist loving, ding bats. If brains were dynamite these pricks wouldn’t have enough to blow their noses.

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  53. V (720 comments) says:

    Again, talk to Trevor he’s running the strategy.

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  54. heathcote (104 comments) says:

    Linda Reid, who’s Barry Sopher?

    Shouldn’t that be Barry Sophistry?

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  55. Henry64 (83 comments) says:

    @ side show bob (5.24pm) – that is the most well articulated and accurate summary of the essential problem facing NZ in this day and age.

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