May 12th, 2011 at 4:18 pm by David Farrar
Hat Tip: Not PC
I think this could be a very interesting interview.
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Don Brash,
Lindsay Perigo
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May 12th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
I read the first sentence about being old, egotistical and grumpy and wondered briefly who was going to be interviewing who…
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
I’d like to watch this. Hopefully I’ll be able to find it online.
I’d like the interviewer to delve into his classic liberal credentials. How socially liberal is Don Brash? Is he a monarchist or a republican?, or neither?
Now that he is no saddled with the National Party leadership, he can be even more frank than he usually is.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Was this interview not broadcast a couple of weeks ago?
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Hopefully Perigo will make a better go of the interview second time around.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Don Brash was seen this morning having coffee at a cafe named after Helen Clark.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
I hadn’t seen Lindsay for a while. It looks as though he’s morphed into an internet meme!
As NX says, I’d like to watch online too. Perigo (along with Beatson) is a welcome and long-overdue return to current affairs interviewing and will hopefully make people realise that the egotisitical dross served up on TVNZ and TV3 is not about informing them and barely about entertaining them, but all about “positioning the brand”.
Anyone have any idea where there may be a stream?
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
No bruv….its a new one.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Perigo’s self aggrandizement and ego boosting is nauseating. He is such a cartoon. he was such a great interviewer (TVNZ’s best) when tempered by institutional parameters. Unfettered he has become a cartoon of himself, a captive of hyperbole and the need to shock, and amaze with his ‘brilliance and wit.’ Boring. He has such talent, if only he would temper himself and not worship his own opinions.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
I thought the interview was ok .. not deep and insightful but a change from the other interviews on Brash when the questions are the same shit, different day
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Interview with Brash was good, informative, but gave the impression of buddies supporting one another.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Putting politics aside, TVNZ could do worse than show the interview to slimy Espiner.
Vote:He would do well to note and seek to emulate.
Good entertainment.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
@iMP 7:56 pm
Didn’t see it, but that is a surprising outcome. I would have thought that, given Perigo is gay and a strong supporter GLBT rights, he would have given Brash a right bollocking over his homophobic votes on the Civil Unions Bill and the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Toad
Lots more to life than who you get your rocks off with, the point was Perigo to interview Brash rather than Brash recieve a lecture from Perigo.
The two bill you mention would be one of the least important bits of legislation ever brought before the House. It was introduced so a whole lot of labour cronies could have a day they got dressed up in their best gear and had a “marriage”.
Nobody then or now gives a toss who sleeps with who.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
toad,
Perhaps that might be because Perigo, as a Libertarian, (and who possibly shares a degree of commonality with Brash on economic and race/interest group issues) doesn’t base his entire assessment of people and what is right and wrong on a single issue. Unlike, perhaps, those who [purport to] focus on the environment…
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
How is this related to the environment?
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
This is what Dr Brash said about the Civil Unions Bill in his valedictory speech:
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Toad……Perigo is NOT a supporter of GLBT rights…he’s regards those as contradictory shit.He instead is an advocate of individual human rights which apply to everyone equally.Gay or straight in that context is irelevant.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Many on the left try to demonise Don as a social conservative yet are happy to cuddle up to Winston Peters in a coalition government.
I don’t get it….
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
James
You should go easy on Toad, he is a Green, therefore he knows what is best for us.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
NX @8.34pm – As far as the left and Winston goes, it is a case of “any port in a storm.” To give the Green MP’s credit, they don’t portray Winston as someone to be liked/admired/respected.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
toads right, who cares about the future! they should have discussed how don voted 5+ years ago on a couple of issues.
are you lefties meant to be progressive?
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Rodders,
I once thought the Greens were a party of principle and to therefore be admired (even grudgingly.)
And then they went and accepted the exercise of proxy votes for Chris Carter and Hone Harawira.
Very revealing indeed…
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Indeed bhudson, but as appalling as Carter and Harawira are, I couldn’t equate them with Winston for sheer calculated awfulness.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Rodders,
Can’t argue with that.
(He does get [very minor] pass marks for being one of the seemingly few people who can carry off a double-breasted suit.)
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Haven’t see the interview…what was Brash s position on his religious views if any? Years back he was an agnostic….which really means an atheist.The conservatives won’t like that….;-)
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
I tried but they sent me to sleep. Roll on Project Runway.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
@James
Vote:He did not believe in a personal deity or other spiritual beings, and seemed comfortable with the lay definition of agnostic.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Ahhhhhhhh so an atheist then.
If he has no belief in a deity he is,be default an atheist…one without belief in a God/Gods.
Brash is no social conservative….sure he could be better but he’s head and shoulders above most including many on the liberal left.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
“Nobody then or now gives a toss who sleeps with who”
Except when a labour MPs Friend is found running down the street naked.
Vote:Everyone has a good laugh.
Except Goff as he is running out of supporters.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
You don’t need to believe in fairytales to be politically conservative
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
You don’t need to believe in fairytales to be politically conservative
True….but it helps.
“Those who believe in absurdities commit atrocities”……be they secular or religious absurdities.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Don is pretty socially tolerant. He supported prostitution law reform and civil unions, greatly regretting his decision to vote against the latter on the second reading in the belief that such a big decision should be decided by referendum. He’s been kicking himself about that ever since.
As a Christian Pacifist at school in the 1950s, he pulled himself out of school cadets, deciding after three years that he wanted no part of war. So those who say he was keen to join the invasion of Iraq need to know that if he had done so, it would only have been with the greatest of reluctance.
As a Fabian Socialist in the 1960s at university in Canberra, he refused to join the Australian Labor Party with his friends, on the grounds that he would not sign up to policies which included the White Australia Policy. His friends said they didn’t like the policy either, but would work to change it from within. But Don wouldn’t have a bar of it. Thus it is rather ironic when people casually label him racist for having the courage to stand up to the institutionalised overindulgence of part-Maori (admittedly often real racists like Harawira).
He is also a founder, patron or committee member (or something like that – I forget) of Amnesty International in New Zealand.
He was so disturbed by the conviction of Peter Ellis that, together with Katherine Rich, he supported a petition for the reconsideration of his case.
A social conservative? I don’t think so.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Well said John.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Sorry-the photoshop Looks like two aging paedos looking for a tight bum. As for John Ansell–he likes to watch.
Vote:May 12th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Gee….that raised the level of debate …thanks gnadmasher….now back to your P-pipe before it goes out.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 3:58 am
Since when was a libertarian love-fest an interview? What a joke. Was just too much “haha – we’re rich old white guys, who think we deserve to be richer, at the expense of everyone else. Isn’t late capitalism great!? Golf tomorrow?”
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 4:21 am
Jesus that is really little Lindsay Perigo, the gentleman political interviewer?
It looks like someone stuck a line connected to a liposuction waste bag into him and pumped him up.
Warning: Lindsay Perigo will eat his guests alive!
I tell you what NZ needs is someone like the BBC hard-talk guy.
Though I would still rank Paul Henry better than him as far as adaptability in style..he is a natural.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 4:27 am
Actually – i shouldn’t discount the idea that Brash is still a Fabian socialist, who’s trying with the rest of the world bank cartel to bring the world to crisis point through the social and environmental degradation of the market, thus necessitating a take-over by the socialists. It would make as much sense as any other explanation for Brash’s “kill the poor” politics.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 5:02 am
“I tell you what NZ needs is someone like the BBC hard-talk guy.”
Then Key would just refuse to be interviewed by them. We also need a new opposition leader. Goff’s Labour Party has no credibility when criticising Key on environment, or privatisation. For the sake of robust democratic process, Goff and King have to go.
Cunliffe and Parker would make a formidable combination. Plenty of experience, intelligence and determination between those two. They aren’t tainted so much by the 4th Labour Government – which was captured by the Treasury/Business Round Table clique.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 5:19 am
Actually Key was just interviewed by the BBC hard-talk guy on NZ’s clean green image and seemed to be doing OK from the short excerpt I saw on TV1.
But I take your point. I guess you mean if someone like that was a domestic political interviewer.
Yeah, I can see Cunliffe coming in as leader. He should have come in a while ago. Probably a stupid blunder by Labour as far as timing goes.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 5:33 am
BB – did you catch the “100% pure compared to other countries” part? That was mind-numbingly embarrassing for Key, National, and sadly NZ as a whole.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 5:37 am
….Just goes to show, Key does not perform well when faced with a competent interviewer. This whole time he has been sheltered from such questioning. This does not bode well for our democracy. Leaders need to be held to account.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 5:39 am
No, can you give me a link to the whole interview?
Thanks in advance if you can.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 5:44 am
Sure
http://thestandard.org.nz/they-made-this-guy-the-minister-of-tourism/
Hope it’s ok that i linked to the standard
So painful to watch.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 5:52 am
Cheers.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 5:58 am
Kicks off here in parts on youtube:
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May 13th, 2011 at 6:24 am
I have just watched the whole 25 mins or so.
I would give John Key 9/10, maybe 9.5.
And am very proud as a Kiwi to have him as our leader.
He was very natural, genuine, intelligent.
The hard-talk guy threw his best, went though his motions but John Key got through totally unfazed, untouched.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 6:28 am
BB
He said – “we are 100% pure compared to other countries”. Can’t you see how nonsensical and silly that is? His green-wash was exposed, and he had no answer except “the scientists are wrong, i am right”. His creepy grin didn’t do him any good either.
NZ would do well to have Brash and Key interviewed by someone more like this guy:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/blogs/the-bottom-line/4937536/ACT-horse-changes-jockeys-keeps-the-blinkers-on
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 6:30 am
At the end of it I think John Key seemed to say to him, “Is that it? Is that all you got?” or something to that effect.
Good on him.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 6:36 am
From the link:
“Lack of a large savings pool for investment has been a huge obstacle to New Zealand’s progress for years, leading to local assets being undervalued in the local market and cheap for overseas interests to buy.”
Yep – and that was starting to be fixed with Kiwisaver – but the Nats are looking to kill that scheme, whilst leaving the name only in place. Looks like the nats are determined to keep our capital markets shallow. That will lead to lower productivity and therefore wage growth. National is actively growing the wage gap with Australia.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 6:57 am
Though we disagree, thanks for your company MB.
That is what democracy is all about.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 8:15 am
I agree with magic bullet. There was an answer Key gave about the evironment which went something along the lines of “if you look outside and breath the air, you’ll see NZ is 100% Pure”. Which isn’t really an adequate comeback to the journalist’s citing of academic studies of declining birdlife, etc.
Key did his usual fine job of looking confident, but failed to answer most of the questions substantially.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 8:25 am
@magic 6:36am
Even by your standards thats a new low in pure BS.
NO, the wage gap is widening because the Australians actually want to mine their resources and want investment. Unlike NZers who want no mining , no foreign money and yet a world leading lifestyle and massive welfare system.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 9:44 am
magic bullet: I agree: Brash v Key and English v Douglas would be ideal.
Both of the Scaredy-Nats would get monstered if forced to debate on the facts.
What’s the bet they’ll be too scared to front if challenged?
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Man, what interview were you watching? Key ducked and dodged and ended up saying, “New Zealand, compared to other countries, is mostly 100% pure.”
Mostly.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 10:06 am
If in the face of a determined professional interviewer (which we don’t really have in NZ lets face it), Key only slipped on one question, and overall he did very well. Helen Clark had also been interviewed on Hard Talk some years before and also did well in representing New Zealand.
Perhaps in response to the 100% Pure NZ marketing poke (which to be honest is a fair criticism), he should have continued his ‘honest John’ approach, and admit that it is marketing to make it clear that NZ tourism is about escape from the crowds and pollution of other countries in this world with over population, and to soak up the natural beauty, and that yes we have environmental issues we are concerned about and actively working on mitigating. He did try to say the above, but it didn’t look good to dismiss the scientists viewpoint as merely his opinion.
Scientists can be passionate and can use hyperbole to make a point like anyone else, but the fact is that the scientist has the luxury of siting in his ivory tower and not having to run a democratic country that has laws to prevent excessive use of powers (so an authoritarian approach is not possible such as “we must remove all cows now to save the rivers”), and that must encourage development to ensure income for the country (to pay for welfare etc) as well as jobs. John Key is a pragmatist and his answer (I think) should have followed this line of reasoning.
Overall though I think he did well.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 10:09 am
That would have been a much better way of dealing with it, Mavxp.
The impression I got was that he didn’t want to admit the problems, because then he would be in a position where he’d have to say that he was concerned about dealing with those problems, and that kind of recorded statement would come back and bite him on the arse when he doesn’t.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 10:28 am
@Ryan
I agree. He acquitted himself well, for the most part, but at times I cringed, because he seemed to be in PR-mode.
I disagree that he is concerned about recorded statements biting him back on the arse – his persona seems to transcend verbal gaffes.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 11:45 am
You can watch Perigo (and Beatson) streamed by Stratos TV at Ecasttv here: http://www.ecasttv.co.nz/channel_detail.php?program_id=&channel_id=177
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
That photo of Brash and Perigo – they look like they’ve both been hit by a sudden gust of wind.
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
hans_versluys:
But not viewable overseas?!
Spare a thought for the expats… podcasts of the locally produced stuff, I beg of you!!
Vote:May 13th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Perigo and Brash, Round 2
Vote:May 15th, 2011 at 1:52 am
raay Says:
Thanks for the link raay.
Here’s my blog post with links Parts 1 & 2.
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