Consistency

May 1st, 2011 at 9:25 am by David Farrar

Fran O’Sullivan highlights a wee quote from a well known blogger a few weeks ago:

“I am also pretty sure that Banks and Brash know that electorally they are rat poison as candidates. They are both pensioners, with Brash over 70. They also both know that their best years politically are behind them.”

You can check the link to see who it is. A month later he was singing a whale whole new tune.

Hat Tip: Catcus Kate

I want to know in what currency was he paid off by the American bag-men!

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33 Responses to “Consistency”

  1. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    Of course Fran failed to point out in the first article I was talking about a new party, and then subsequently as the audacity of Brash’s coup rolled out I was talking about events that transpired.

    I still think that John Banks is as electorally palatable as rat poison, however Epsom is a whole new kettle of fish. It is core Banks territory.

    When I wrote that forst post who could know how fired up Don Brash was….and who could know he had a plan so audacious that no one not even David Farrar could comprehend.

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  2. Nookin (3,467 comments) says:

    The bus trip later in the year is going to be interesting!

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  3. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    …… wrote that forst post who could know how fired up Don Brash was….and who could know he had a plan so audacious that no one not even David Farrar could comprehend………….

    Don’t know about audacious, I think he needed a job, fancy women and ex- wives cost, this coupled with panic amongst the talent vacuum that is ACT in Parliament who will have begged him to get involved so as to keep them employed come November

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  4. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Clusterf**k on the offensive!

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  5. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Well David given your track record on Goff’s coup and how dismissive you were of Brash’s coup I think this is one-eyed in teh extreme.

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  6. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    David and Whale should kiss and make up!

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  7. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    We should remember in all this, Key and Brash put together the Machiavellian plot to axe English as leader, way back when. hmmm, but what about this time? What i want to know is exactly how the Act coup was orchestrated. It was carried out with very impressive efficacy, given that Brash isn’t even an Act member. Where was the old moustache man in all of this? Where was Prebble? Who swayed the majority of the Act caucus to vote for Brash? Who are the bag-men in all of this? So many questions, and such flimsy democratic process. The coup deserves to have a whole book dedicated to it. Could be as illuminating as “the hollow men” (if it isn’t the truth, why hasn’t Hager been sued for libel?), as to the secretive, deceptive way political machinations operate at the pinnacle of power within the NZ right.

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  8. Dave Mann (1,251 comments) says:

    I have been swinging around mightily since Don launched his takeover and while I hugely support him in his economic and social opinions, I honestly wonder if if has made the right decision in tying himself to a failed brand with so little going for it electorally. I mean…. really… Sir Roger Douglas? Heather Roy? The canary clown? John Banks? Maybe even Ruth Richardson?

    Could Don have picked a more reviled, ridiculed or hated bunch of people to associate with? Its too late now, but I think he should have made a fresh start and avoide getting bogged down with all the baggage and toxic personalities of these people.

    If I could draw I would make a great cartoon of Don being asked by Argentine customs “did you pack your own baggage?” while all these characters lurk in the background hiding stuff in his suitcase. Whale old chap… could you help me out with this?

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  9. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    “David and Whale should kiss and make up!”

    Never! ol’ droopy jowls cannot reconcile.

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  10. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    and who could know he had a plan so audacious that no one not even David Farrar could comprehend.

    When did Whale call the coup? A player or one of the played?

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  11. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    At least Whale sings a tune..there seems to have been so much going on behind the scenes in all this ..who could have picked it? All I want to know is when is the next coup?

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  12. dime (10,125 comments) says:

    i doubt the Don is broke.

    he has been a high income earner for years.

    he’s been through two carve ups? i suspect a 1/4 don is more cashed up than most of you on your best day.

    also, if we are going to start musing which MP’s are there for the cash, lets start with the entire labour party. the mp’s who have fuck all options in the private sector.

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  13. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    He protesteth too much!

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  14. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    A week ago who’d have thought Brash or Banksie could look so appealing. The week before Brash was an old fogey hanging on to ideology from a bygone era. Now he has orchestrated the second coming; we’ve had an insight into the power of his intellect and we now also know that he exists on Big Ben pies. Who couldn’t help but feel a frisson of affection for that winning combination. The next move is up to John Key. How we view political candidates can depend on how they are reflected in the mirror of their opponents. If Key was to put up Joyce in Epsom the sands of political opinion may shift again. I think the women of the electorate will determine the electorate outcome, and who they are prepared to blow.

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  15. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Uh oh. oops. I forgot to spell and context check. The distraction of newborn twins. I meant of course in my last sentence @ 11.06 that the women of the electorate will determine the electorate outcome and who they are prepared to vote for depends on which way the political winds blow for them. That’s better; a bit wordy and dizzy perhaps but not offensive.

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  16. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Monique

    and who they are prepared to blow.

    Freudian slip , and I like it, I’ll will now move to Epsom, but back to the kitchen now (I don’t know how to put smiley faces here)

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  17. Ross Miller (1,706 comments) says:

    Very few have picked up on just how cunning the plan was. The take-over of ACT by the Grey Power Wing of the Junior National Party happened before people had time to figure it out. Baldrick take a bow.

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  18. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    Banks will lose Party votes elsewhere. Not liked anywhere but Epsom. Nowhere else in Auckland during his last debacle and sure as hell not south of the Bombay’s.
    Of course he would like to be Governor general if only to rub Bolgers nose in the crap.

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  19. Dave Mann (1,251 comments) says:

    @Pauleastbay…. if this works, its colon-close bracket.

    Testing…. :)

    (If not, try colon-hyphen-close bracket)

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  20. Owen McShane (1,226 comments) says:

    Most of the commentary seems to overlook the political reality that has driven this coup.
    Those who listen to Leighton Smith are more likely to have got the message. And my own mail box and telephone has been setting it out for months now.

    The motivation has not been the perk busting, or dancing with stars or whatever.

    The fact is there are a huge number of National party members, including past policy advisors, and electoral workers, who are suddenly openly saying “I cannot vote National at this election” or have resigned from the Party.

    The problem these disaffected Nats then face is “If not National, who gets my vote?”
    For a time some of them thought they would vote for Act (and a few have played with another WInston First). But then it suddenly became clear that Act was facing political oblivion if it depended on Rodney Hide to win Epsom.

    So they were looking at an electoral void.

    And yes many of these disaffected Nats have been major funders and the organisers. So in spite of the massive popular support for the Government there were grounds to believe that this would not translate into support at the actual ballot box on election day.

    So this coup means that the next government may be prepared to make more of the hard decisions, and a Brash Led Act should survive and provide a home for those who currently have nowhere to go.

    The response of the ACT MPs is not surprising – once the reality had 48 hours to sink in.

    Turkeys do not normally vote for an early Christmas.

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  21. Owen McShane (1,226 comments) says:

    Banks lost the Mayoralty campaign because such mega-amalgamations consistently deliver left wing Mayors.
    The right get sucked into promoting mega amalgamations because they kid themselves into believing the that inner city candidate (usually of the right) will win the new mega-Mayoralty. Never happens because the wider electorage vote for the Mayor who talks counter the out suburban and rural fears. In this case Len Brown.

    The similar mega amalgamations show that the hostility to the Auckland council still has a long way to grow and will be on a full head of steam in the run up to the election. Not because of the election but because of the standard timetable. The costs will all be starting to make themselves felt.

    So Banks appeal to the uber city is irrelevant. If he runs for the electoral seat in Epsom all he has to worry about is the Epson vote and I understand he is popular with that inner city voting population.

    The Larger ACT/Brash team have to chase the rural vote, and the non-racial vote, and of course those who hate the Uber-city.
    And maybe persuade the wider electorate that economic growth and development is the best way to reduce poverty – in spite of what the Government’s Charities Commission has to say.

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  22. Bruce Hamilton (60 comments) says:

    Qwen McShane wrote:-
    “The Larger ACT/Brash team have to chase the rural vote, and the non-racial vote, and of course those who hate the Uber-city.”

    Non-racial, is that a new euphemism for racist?.

    I’d suggest that ACT will be after the unfortunately significant-sized racist voting demographic in NZ, as many of the “disaffected” National supporters may be simply be concerned about the relationship with the Maori party. Winston was after the same demographic, as most racists probably don’t care about the left or right, they just want hated policies overturned.

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  23. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Bruce, are you for one law for all New Zealanders and equality against the law regardless of of skin colour?

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  24. Owen McShane (1,226 comments) says:

    I can remember when it was the racists who wanted different laws for different races.
    Then along came Martin Luther King etc.

    Now the new Liberals had managed to corrupt the language so that to advocate “one law for all” has become a racist sentiment.

    This has to be one of the most amazing victories of the PC Post Modernists in our history.

    Even the Treaty says we are one people – meaning of course one people before the law.

    So yes I have to plead guilty for using the PC “non-racial” when the correct term was “the anti racist legislation” vote.

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  25. GJ (329 comments) says:

    Personally I have never voted for Act, mainly because of their total non existance of a moral backbone. (You can take liberty to far) and the country is suffering accordingly.
    However National has not performed as I would have expected under John Key, and although I am currently a National surporter I’m afraid that I will give serious consideration to voting for Act this year as we must stop the wastage in public spending. If Act get enough numbers, this could just help to turn the country in a more affordable direction.

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  26. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Monique I know it is tiring with the kids but shouldn’t it have been –

    ‘and whom they are prepared to blow.’ ?

    Anyway, it’s academic in my household, but still. . .

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  27. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    Before the last election I warned many that voting for National and not voting ACT would allow the Maori Party into control and with the Maori National MP’s this would give us exactly what has happened.
    If the many more of you clever dicks had supported ACT at the last election you would not have had to forgo your allegiance to the Nats. and bow to the Maori Party each day.
    Serves you bloody right.
    You are responsible for holding NZ back by 3 years.

    Don’t think that you can suddenly remember the words of your founding document (which has disappeared form your website), to justify joining up with ACT. You should have sorted out your own shit. But you didn’t.

    GJ, did you ever bother to read ACTS policy. Obviously not. Moral backbone. When did the Nats ever have any?

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  28. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    :)

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  29. GJ (329 comments) says:

    Viking2: Yes I did and I also checked their voting record!

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  30. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    Whose? The Nats.

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  31. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Moral backbone. When did the Nats ever have any?

    Over two decades ago. The party is populated and dominated by pinkos these days

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  32. Bruce Hamilton (60 comments) says:

    Manolo wrote…
    “Bruce, are you for one law for all New Zealanders and equality against the law regardless of of skin colour?”

    Skin colour and race are not the same. I was asking whether “non-racial” was a euphemism for racist. At face value, your misinterpretation of my question suggests it is – at least to some people.

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  33. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Skin colour and race are not the same.

    Of course they’re not, genetically there is no such thing as race. That’s the problem with all race laws, there’s no clear definition of what a race is.

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