Quote of the Day

May 1st, 2011 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Danyl at Dim-Post:

Sometimes I just want to strap the entire spectrum of left-wing politicians into dentists chairs and patiently explain to them – using chisels and barbed wire – that most the state’s wealth comes from ordinary people working hard and then giving a huge chunk of their income to the government, so spending it is a sacred trust not an endless opportunity to squander it all on gimmicks and whims and political stunts.

This is in relation to the $500,000 to be wasted on a by-election.

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37 Responses to “Quote of the Day”

  1. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    I don’t think Danyl actually believes that.

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  2. Graeme Edgeler (3,277 comments) says:

    Having quoted it myself, I can’t disagree, but the comment of the day goes to Harris on the same topic over at Whale:

    Bill Eng­lish says “Hone’s deci­sion is really no prob­lem at all. The week of the by-election we’ll just bor­row $300,500,000″.

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  3. Caleb (478 comments) says:

    meanwhile

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/australia/4947710/Mass-exodus-to-Aussie-continues

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  4. homepaddock (434 comments) says:

    If every politician and public servant believed in and practised that we’d have a very different, and much better, country.

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  5. Ross Miller (1,681 comments) says:

    homepaddock … well said.

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  6. BeaB (2,085 comments) says:

    No the sad truth is that we work and earn and every ego and do-gooder wants their hand in our pocket.
    Local councils squander rates money with lcouncillors falling for every hare-brained scheme like rugby stadiums, events centres, “vibrant’ city centre developments and massive subsidies to run empty buses round the suburbs. They pay their CEOs more than the PM gets! Don’t even get me started on the bloated bureaucracies the regional councils have become.
    I think it is time to get them all back to basic responsibilities and funding with both central and local governments restricted to spending increases based on inflation or some other fixed measure.
    And let’s stop this rubbish about the need for inflated public salaries. Many private enterprises would love to be able to dish out such largesse but cannot of course because they are limited by what they can earn!

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  7. tom hunter (4,573 comments) says:

    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    But as even his own lefty commentators point out, this amount of money is a drop in the ocean compared to what the government as a whole is wasting. Of course being left wingers it’s not waste when it’s pissed away on dysfunctional health and education systems, let alone the whole panoply of government departments, programmes, and regulations set up to ameliorate or solve the societal problems identified by the left.

    The only waste identified therein is the occasional, grudging acknowledgement about the nickel and dime antics of any bureaucracy. Perfect battlegrounds for endless shit-fights as they’re targeted by gimlet-eyed, hard-line, right-wingers who can keep cost and rate increases way down – people like John Banks! (do I need to add the /sarc tag?)

    But the idea that ever larger, ever more in-your-face government represents a waste of the resources yielded up by hard-working people? As Jon Stewart would say – Nah Ahhh.

    Witness Caleb’s link: you can be sure that the solution provided by Dim and his commentariat will be a Labour-Green-Maori or Mana government in the future that will massively increase taxes on “the rich” – especially the Golden Goose of land and assets. That will keep the Ponzi scheme running for at least another decade, maybe even two.

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  8. Graeme Edgeler (3,277 comments) says:

    I don’t think Danyl actually believes that.

    I would say he does.

    The DimPost has been scathing of things like Whanua Ora. Just because you and he might disagree over what would constitute worthwhile spending, doesn’t mean he supports wasteful spending (which, for what it’s worth, I don’t agree the by-election is).

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  9. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    “that most the state’s wealth comes from ordinary people working hard”

    This is not true. 70% of tax is paid by the top 30% of income earners. By definition, they are not ordinary.

    Sorry Daniel – fail.

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  10. excusesofpuppets (134 comments) says:

    And the hate and spite continues on this website. This is a waste of money and TIME. But still there is a chance to have a dig at Danyl right?

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  11. jaba (2,096 comments) says:

    “As Keith sat there smiling and nodding his head in agreement, Sykes told the audience: “I will never forget that morning turning on my TV and seeing those planes fly into those two towers, I jumped for joy, I was so excited to see that at long last capitalism was
    under attack. I was laughing, I was so happy, but then I saw those people
    jumping out of the windows and it suddenly hit me, oh those poor waiters, the poor cleaners, those poor lift operators, who the greedy capitalists had employed to do all the dirty jobs were probably the people jumping out of the windows.”

    Keith neither challenged nor questioned Sykes’ rant, he sat there and smiled and nodded and then led the applause when she finished”.
    PC had this comment on FROGBLOG a few years ago. It is possible that Annette Sykes could soon be a MP in the NZ Parliament

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  12. Bruce Hamilton (60 comments) says:

    Magic Bullet, you must have a strange definition of ordinary to exclude 10%, much less 30%. what is you definition?.

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  13. jcuk (639 comments) says:

    The guy is just a small time waster what about those who have wasted around a million on all the camper vans sitting empty in Christhcurch instead of in the rental outfit’s grounds out at the airport? The lease should have been on the basis of need not taking awhole bunch of them. So far I gather only one is needed. Still what’s a million to government borrowing 300 a week?

    As for bus subsidies … I use the bus probably about four times a year* but as a ratepayer I am perfectly happy to subsidise their running as an insurance for when I next need their services … at at less than $20 a quarter it is the cheapest insurance policy I have. * when twice a year I take my car for a WOF and want transport to city centre to kill time at the library etc and back to the garage.

    Even before we had regional councils this was my position as I used my own transport to go to work and was very impatient with dam fool councilors and others bothering about trying to make buses pay for themselves. I’m not that bothered about buses running with only one or two passengers becuase I could be one of them one day, though maybe it would make sense to use smaller buses in off-peak times to save wear and tear of the roads and so also save repair costs which I’m paying for with my rates.

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  14. Nick K (1,138 comments) says:

    Second best quote of the day from Danyl’s blog also:

    Contrast this with Don Brash and Hone Harawira who were both on Q & A afterwards. I disagree with almost everything either of them stand for, but they fucking STAND for things. They were intellectually engaged. They argued their beliefs. And as a result other people who agree with those beliefs are willing to stand up and endorse them in public.

    That’s why public commentators support ACT, and the Mana Party and, in fact, the National Party and the Green Party and almost every party, when you think about it, except for Labour. All they stand for is themselves being in Parliament and getting paid. They don’t even want to govern, or at least not for a wee while. Why would anyone who isn’t a Labour MP stand up in public and advocate on their behalf when all they represent are their own careers?

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  15. GJ (329 comments) says:

    Who said life is not Spiritual when you see Bradford and Nandos sitting up there with Hone! “Birds of a feather stick together!”

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  16. ch123 (593 comments) says:

    “oh those poor waiters, the poor cleaners, those poor lift operators, who the greedy capitalists had employed to do all the dirty jobs were probably the people jumping out of the windows.””

    I’ve read this quote before and it struck me then as it does now that *someone* has to do the cleaning. It doesn’t matter whether it’s the “greedy capitalists” employing them or a socialist government. Someone is always going to have to do the “dirty” jobs.

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  17. Daigotsu (451 comments) says:

    We can win over Danyl to the right yet!

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  18. Shunda barunda (2,973 comments) says:

    So the brown “MOFO” party gets to waste half a million bucks?, mr Harawira is a scum bag through and through, he has become exactly the thing he was (is) most critical of in others.

    But of course he is brown so no body can call this MOFO for what he is right?

    WRONG!!!

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  19. axeman (251 comments) says:

    And from this commentary: ‘Mr Harawira’s decision to force a byelection just seven months before a general election is likely to be criticised. Labour leader Phil Goff has already said he would view it as a “publicity stunt” and said it would be irresponsible and costly.

    So what does Phil-in call the Axe The Tax bus tour and the launch of the Stop Asset Sales campaign this morning in Auckland? Actually they are the ultimate in Publicity Stunts paid for by the taxpayer.

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  20. Kimble (4,417 comments) says:

    Is this the lefty mindset or what?

    Surplus – theres plenty of money, lets have fun spending it and feeling good about ourselves

    deficit – theres so much debt, some extra spending is barely worth worrying about

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  21. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (774 comments) says:

    Wow. What a nasty piece of shit Ms Sykes is

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  22. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    MB’s definition of ‘ordinary’ (1:03pm) hinges on income level. What about strength of character? Honesty? Work ethic? Kindness? There are many extraordinary NZers across all income brackets. But it takes a envious, rich-prick hater like MB to claim otherwise.

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  23. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    kk – erm – i was meaning that their concerns are quite different from the bottom 50% – who subsist on much less cash. They worry about whether they will be able to afford to eat well, and pay all the bills for essentials. The rich need not be concerned about such things. Rather it’s, “can i afford a new merc this year, or do i buy another property,” hmmm. Most don’t think of themselves as ordinary either – since they see their own wealth as a sign of superiority. Where as you’re just fulling a demand of people who have cash. i.e. i’d rather die than become an accountant – but apparently some people can stomach it. I don’t see them as superior for their desire to make cash that way – but the fetishised objects of status that one is afforded by the kind of money they earn can lead the poor simpleton to the impression that they’re better than others – simply because at a very base level, status is attached to the ego, or “sense of self”. Thus wealthier people often end up with an over-inflated opinion of themselves because of this primal psychological mechanism. It’s quite funny to watch really dumb rich people talk, because they state their moronic views with such confidence, you just end up with a constant internal laugh when you talk to them. lol.

    I just can’t stop thinking about how delusionally ego-driven they are. Such simplistic thinking.

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  24. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    once again magic bullet answers a question entirely out of his imagination. If you actually knew anyone with money, rather than your cliched fantasy version, you’d realise that the vast majority of them got there by not buying the new mercs. How many sparkling new luxury cars do you actually see on the road, compared to the proportion of people who could afford them if they chose to? A lot fewer.
    And again with the bullshit theory of the week – this time it seems to be sub-Dr Phil amateur psychology. “primal psychological mechanism” my ass. You really need to accumulate some real world experience with real people, then you won’t fall for every pseudo-intellectual article you come across on the internet and decide it unquestionably explains everything. And you might get some real-world examples instead of imaginary cliches.

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  25. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    pia – i’ve met quite a few would-be robber barons. Admittedly, there are many intelligent decent wealthy people. It’s just funny to see what a few investment properties can do to the ego of a person of sub-normal intelligence. There are many more of the latter than the former.

    To my other points you just squeal “bullshit” and “Doctor Phil”, which isn’t very interesting. The intellectual father of the right’s PR industry understood the relation of status to ego. His ideas have worked very well for the right. Only problem is, he came up with them 80 years ago, and people like you still haven’t caught up.

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  26. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    magic bullet there aren’t very many sub-normal intelligence people who have “a few investment properties”. You are arguing from your cliched imagination again.

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  27. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    “there aren’t very many sub-normal intelligence people who have “a few investment properties””

    oh – i think you will find there are. The housing market was over-inflated 8 years ago. Smart people don’t invest in such markets. They put the money where the price of the commodity or service looks to be due for a large upswing.

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  28. Lance (2,567 comments) says:

    At least Magic got one thing right.
    The property boom was created and perpetuated by financial illiterates. It stuck out like dogs balls that the whole pile of shit was going to fall big time.
    I knew several people on fairly normal incomes who bought 4 – 6 properties because they thought they couldn’t lose quoting Mark Twain ” buy land young man they aren’t making anymore”, this coming from a repeat bankrupt.

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  29. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    OBAMA/TRUMP. Obama scored brownies with his mocking speech, but I think overstepped the line by focussing on Trump so much. It also demeaned the Presidency (ala his appearances on Oprah, The View etc). Obama has now made a serious tactical error. He has humiliated Trump nationally and bought himself a wealthy and powerful enemy motivated to engage at an ego level. Obama can only lose that context, regardless of whether Trump stands or not. Trump HAS to re-establish his ascendancy, and nothing would motivate a man like him more, than a public humiliation like this. Expect millions to go into quiet research to find Obama’s skeletons. (Next focus his Harvard record).

    The interview earlier with Obama and a journalist off camera is also disquieting – Obama’s nasty side. The US Presidency has traditionally humbled its holders, but Obama seems to think he is above scrutiny or deserves airs and graces; not a nice side to this man and a weakness of his presidency (vanity).

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  30. Lance (2,567 comments) says:

    @iMP
    And the relevance to this thread is ??????????

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  31. Murray (8,842 comments) says:

    John Hatfield launches his party by repeatedly lying then pissing away taxpayer money without good cause.

    This is what we can expect from him, its not like its a sudden break from his track record. Is their logo a taiaha and sickle just out of interest?

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  32. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4948682/Harawira-in-line-for-pay-rise-taxpayer-funding

    “Mr McCarten agreed there would be extra funding, but that was not the motivation for calling a by-election. “Hone has always gone back to his electorate. He takes that very seriously.”

    If he won a mandate it would also legitimise him accepting invitations to speak outside his electorate as leader of a party – something that had come under scrutiny with his high travel bill. ”

    Right, spend 500k of taxpayers’ money to “legitimise” 50k of taxpayers’ money in travel spending. What a douche-nozzle

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  33. Murray (8,842 comments) says:

    If he doesn’t win will he stfu?

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  34. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    This is a classic case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

    If Hone had not called a by-election the same people would accuse him of having no mandate, being on the taxpayers gravy train, blah, blah, blah!

    Now, if Bill English just paid back the money many think he rorted from us taxpayers in his housing fiddle, things would be pretty much square, wouldn’t they?

    Anyone willing to put a call in to Bill?

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  35. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Any chance of the greens giving back what they made from renting their own houses to themselves Luc?

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  36. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Ask them, PIA.

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  37. Murray (8,842 comments) says:

    Already have, the answer is fuck off we’re pigs in shit and we like it here because there is tax payers money to roll around in. Happy now Luc?

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