Talking of Hone and Hitler
May 5th, 2011 at 10:00 am by David FarrarIn an ealier blog, I highlighted how Hone praised bin Laden, and wondered whether he would also have praised Hitler as a freedom fighter.
Well talking of Hitler, he is seriously insisting that Dn Brash is like Hitler. Not as some throw-away comment – but as a serious proposition. Stuff reports:
MP and Mana Party leader Hone Harawira has accused new ACT leader Don Brash of aiming to destroy Maori in a testy television debate.
Harawira again compared Brash to Hitler, echoing comments he first made six years ago.
“The politics you talk about are very much like Hitler’s, Don. You target Maori very much like Hitler targetted the Jews. You are aiming to destroy us the same way that others haved done.”
Yes advocating that there should be no race based seats is of course the same as marching six millions Jews into concentration camps, where they were systematically killed.
And this ManaParty is the great hope of the hard left.
May 5th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Hone is accusing Brash of attempting to destroy Maori by breeding them into oblivion (eww theres an image). Hones answer is “racial purity”.
Which one is more like Hitler?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Yes advocating that there should be no race based seats is of course the same as marching six millions Jews into concentration camps, where they were systematically killed.
Of course it is… but only when you’re fucked in the head.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:12 am
To be fair, I think Hone’s point is that Brash attempts to demonise Maori in much the same way as Hitler demonised Jews.
[DPF: But Brash has never demonised Maori, let alone in a Hitler like fashion. Find me a quote where Brash has ever demonised Maori]
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Being compared to Hitler is very unfair. But then again, nobody fantasises of being tied to a bed and being ravished by some one dressed up as a socialist.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Don’t complain too much DPF – Hone will be driving voters into the smiling, warm and friendly arms of John Key.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Hone bin Stupid doesn’t need to worry about Brash destroying Maori – he looks like he’s going to do a perfectly good job all by himself.
He also doesn’t appear to have spent much time reflecting on the irony revealed in the name of his rag tag party and its apparent policies.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:17 am
smttc
No, Hone bin Tinkin actually thinks that the MOFO is systematically killing Maori with smokes, drink and the denial of health and education and jobs.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Is there no way Speaker Smith can disrobe this racist prick?
Vote:Every other organisation like the teachers can expel people from thier jobs.
Why can’t Smithy sack this seditious person.
May 5th, 2011 at 10:18 am
V2
Why? Its the funniest show in town – better even than the fuckwit Goof.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:24 am
@Viking2 10:17 am
Nope, because Brash isn’t back in Parliament yet. Hopefully, he never will be.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Find me a quote where Brash has ever demonised Maori
ACT, which Brash now leads, once released a ludicrous analysis of the costs and benefits of Maori people, ascribing the financial costs of Maori incarceration as government spending on all Maori.
Close as I can get, I think.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:26 am
John Hatfield is doing more harm to his people than good and his disciples are too thick to see it.
Vote:He is only out for his own bitter and twisted agenda of hatred and racism.
Sad MOFO.
May 5th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Based on that logic, Graeme, we are responsible for the atrocities of our forefathers. Not sure if that goes down with me.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:29 am
‘Hone’ really isn’t too bright is he? I suspect ‘Mummy’ told him to say that to nasty Dr Brash and he actually has no idea who he is talking about. I mean, this is the 55 year old man often seen throwing out ‘Gangsta’ hand signals to TV cameras and his retarded fans..
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:30 am
The more Don appears with Hone, the more it becomes obvious that Hone is the racist, and Don is anti-racist.
The more Don’s critics are asked to back up their accusations with evidence of his supposed racism, the better Don looks because there is no evidence. There’s only their lies.
It’s about taking the liars on head-on.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:34 am
People like Harawira are a disgrace to Maori. He and his ilk are the ones responsible for the “blame it on colonialism” mentality, for their sense of entitlement, for feeling unique and above the rest (for what reason?), for expecting money and goods from a bankrupt welfare state, for a lifestyle without having to work and earn a living.
Maoridom’s leadership has failed, and their leaders, in the way known to any tribal society, have looked only after themselves and have let their people down. Maori dismal statistics on the social and economic fronts are a direct result of it.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:35 am
If Hone “Rūpahu” is the one of the most recognised and visible maori in the media, what opinion does this give the rest of the country?
Vote:Even if he unites all Maori, aren’t Maori a minority group that could be seriously stereotyped by the actions of one man?
May 5th, 2011 at 10:38 am
toad give me some actual evidence for your assertion that Brash is a racists.
You too smttc give some actual quotes in which Brash demonises Maori.
Stupid white mother fuckers.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:38 am
I seriously believe Hone and his fellow travellers see Maori who make a difference and who achieve prominence on the back of their own efforts as race traitors.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:40 am
I think the interesting part is how the media tacitly accept that Harawira has an ‘interesting message worth considering’ whereas Brash is just not acceptable. An interesting commentary on the media.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:41 am
I’m just wondering how long it will be before toad is issued instructions to start telling a different story when Hone gets into kicking the shit out of the watermellons.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:41 am
I said stupid white mother fuckers didn’t I EWS.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:47 am
A link Graeme, a link…
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:49 am
For those of us who are uninitiated. Who is Toad?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:53 am
The green party financed troll who posts daily talking points as directed by political masters.
Saves having a brain of your own I guess.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Clearly someone who can’t find any evidence that Brash is racist.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:54 am
What a horrible job.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:55 am
What a horrid ideology.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Hone is handicapped by his ancestry. If it wasn’t for the poison instilled into to him since birth he would likely be a very effective left wing politician.
He showed fleeting glimpses of this in his “debate” with Brash on Close Up. For a split second he focused on improving the lot of the poor, briefly referenced the “nasty big corporate businesses” who trample the weak, but the moment he looked like getting on a roll, his mother’s hand would come out and slap him back to his bitter and twisted, racist fantasy world.
When he spoke as a socialist he made valid, debateable points, but the moment it became about Maori he lost the plot and started talking in slogans and propaganda designed only to appeal to fringe nutters. I think that deep in his subconcious he knows this, but “Big Mother’s” bitterness dominates and brings everything back to race even when it makes absoulutely no logical sense. Hone has no control over this, like a character out of “1984″ he chants and repeats the party (his mum’s) slogans any time reality threatens to raise it’s ugly head.
It is a sad waste of someone who otherwise could have been an effective left wing politician.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Hone is racist. The problems that maori are facing today (poor health, poor housing, poor education, blah, blah, blah,…) cannot be blamed on anyone else but themselves. It seems that Hone likes to point the fingers at someone else as scapegoat for their problems. The following publications should be good readings for Hone. It may give him some hints regarding the dynamics about maori social issues. The model/s covered are basically some variants of the original model of 2005 Economics Nobel Laureate, Thomas Schelling from early 1970s. Here is the cut & paste of the introduction for Pete George to read.
Introduction
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For three decades, survey data have consistently shown that African Americans prefer to live in integrated neighborhoods with half blacks or a slight black majority.1 For example, in 1982, the General Social Surveys asked black respondents about their most preferred neighborhood racial composition and found that 61.6 percent of them picked “half black, half white” as the top choice (Davis and Smith, 1993). Data collected in a Multi-City Study of Urban Inequality (MCSUI) during the 1990s also showed that 50 percent of black interviewees chose a 50-50 neighborhood as the most attractive and 99 percent of them indicated a willingness to move into such neighborhoods (Krysian and Farley, 2002).
Survey results also demonstrated that whites, although generally less enthusiastic about 50-50 type neighborhoods than blacks, have increasingly endorsed the idea of residential integration (Schuman et al., 1997). The same MCSUI data indicated that 60 percent of whites felt comfortable with neighborhoods with one-third blacks and that 45 percent of whites were willing to move into such neighborhoods (Charles, 2003).
These stated preferences are in stark contrast with the high levels of racial housing segregation in reality. Using the 1990 Census data, Massey and Denton (1993) find that residential segregation between blacks and whites remains a striking feature of many U.S. metropolitan areas, a situation they describe as the “American apartheid.” According to the same Census data, very few blacks actually live in “half black, half white” neighborhoods, in contrast to the survey results cited above (Zhang, 2004a).2 The latest 2000 Census data show only modest steps toward integration (see, e.g., Glaeser and Vigdor, 2001; Logan et al., 2004).
This persistence of residential segregation in urban America is generally considered a social problem because it has adverse effects, especially on blacks. Kain (1968) has long argued that residential segregation leads to a “spatial mismatch” between blacks and their potential employers that diminishes blacks’ employment opportunities. Wilson (1987) echoes this point in a highly influential study of the “truly disadvantaged” inner city underclass in America. Massey and Denton (1993) argue that segregation is at the root of many problems facing blacks. Numerous studies have since documented that residential segregation is associated with negative outcomes for blacks in terms of academic performance, educational attainment, employment, single parenthood, poverty, criminal behaviors, and even health outcomes (see, e.g., Card and Rothstein, 2007; Cutler and Glaeser, 1997; Galster, 1987; Orfield and Eaton, 1996; Shihadeh and Flynn, 1996; Williams and Collins, 2001).
There are three primary explanations for the persistence of segregation.5 The first is derived from a long-standing hypothesis that physical distance between racial groups reflects their social distance. This explanation holds that segregation persists because lower-income blacks cannot afford to move to white neighborhoods although they would like to (Clark and Ware, 1997; Cloutier, 1982; Iceland and Wilkes, 2006; Marshall and Jiobu, 1975).6 The second explanation emphasizes various forms of racial discrimination in the housing market. It argues that discriminatory behaviors of real estate agents, mortgage lenders, and insurance providers prevent blacks from moving into their most preferred neighborhoods (see, e.g., Goering and Wienk, 1996; Yinger, 1986, 1995). The third explanation points to the fact that whites have less favorable feelings toward integrated neighborhoods than blacks. It contends that there are not enough whites willing to reside in neighborhoods with 50 percent or more blacks (Emerson et al., 2001; Krysian and Farley, 2002; Vigdor, 2003). Given these explanations for the persistence of segregation, one naturally expects that residential integration will occur as long as socioeconomic inequalities between blacks and whites continue to narrow, whites’ attitudes toward integrated neighborhoods continue to become more favorable, and anti-discrimination laws are more stringently enforced.
…the prospect of residential integration may be bleaker than what is generally perceived. I present a rigorous model that incorporates important insights from Thomas Schelling’s two models of segregation (Schelling, 1969, 1971, 1972, and 1978). I will show that residential segregation could emerge and persist even if the following three conditions hold simultaneously: (1) There exists no racial discrimination of any type; (2) both blacks and whites prefer to live in 50-50 neighborhoods; and (3) the socioeconomic disparities between blacks and whites are completely eliminated.
This paper makes two contributions. First, it offers an explanation for the persistence of residential segregation in U.S. metropolitan areas observed in the past two decades. Existing studies on the persistence of segregation generally assume that if integration is a preferred outcome, then segregation could persist only if some frictions prevent the transition to integration. This is why many researchers consider racial discrimination and income disparities as possible reasons for the persistence of segregation. Deviating from this literature, this paper emphasizes that racial integration, even if highly desirable at the individual level, may not be attainable because integrated residential patterns are inherently unstable. This idea is well-known because of Schelling’s pioneering studies and follow-up work, but it has not been a focus of recent research on the persistence of segregation.
Second, this paper formalizes Schelling’s idea of tipping and uses it to rigorously demonstrate why residential segregation may emerge and persist despite the preference for integration at the individual level. Schelling originally developed the idea of tipping to study segregation dynamics in a single neighborhood and the concept has always been discussed in the context of a single neighborhood. Schelling also showed, in a multi-neighborhood setting, that residential patterns may not reflect individual preferences. By introducing the idea of tipping into a multi-neighborhood model, this paper incorporates the insights from Schelling’s separate models into a unified framework. Unlike Schelling’s inductive and less formal approach, this paper presents a rigorous model and analyzes it using techniques from mathematical game theory, which helps sharpen many of the important insights developed by Schelling.
Continue Reading by downloading the full paper:
Vote:Tipping and Residential Segregation: A Unified Schelling Model
May 5th, 2011 at 11:17 am
All of which begs the question, is he mad or bad?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:21 am
But kaya, “nasty big corporate businesses who trample the weak” and the other lefty rhetoric that he parroted is just as much of an empty slogan as the race card. His problem is that he is just too lazy to actually think through what irks him and what he wants to achieve and produce any rational and coherent way of articulating his view. That’s why, at times, he just comes across as a child that lost his lollies.
He will never be an effective politician because he is just loose, too lazy and will continue to burn people off because the only way he wants to do things is Hone’s way, but he can’t ever work out what that is. He has absolutely no idea how to achieve his goals because he doesn’t know what they are. He wants the MOFOs to fuck off. But then he doesn’t want the MOFOs to fuck off. I hate you. I want you to do this for me. Give me what I want. Don’t tell me what to do. Me gangsta. I want to be credible.
He is, very much, just like a child.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Hone may have misheard when Titiwhai told him to “start up the Mama Party”.
Vote:He may have mistakenly thought it should be about him.
May 5th, 2011 at 11:27 am
DPF, I don’t need to find a quote. I never said Brash demonises Maori. I simply said I think Hone suggests Brash does.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Here are some more or less the same models as Schelling one but coming from socio-physics & econo-physics which they derived theirs based on how the states of particle spins influences their neighborhood (ie, ferro-magnetic spin-flip either a spin up in which you imitate what your neighbors do or spin down in which case you don’t imitate the actions of the neighbors). The results are the same to that of Schelling. So, different types of modeling that comes to the same conclusion. One using gaming theory or agents modeling (Schelling model) and the other using ferro-magnetism spins (Ising Model), which they pretty much agree on the outcome. Two different derivations, but same conclusions.
#1) E ect of Local Coordination on a Schelling-Type Segregation Model
#2) Self-organizing, two-temperature Ising model describing human segregation
I hope that Pete George is not going to pop in here telling me off not to post scientific stuff here on Kiwiblog as he has does in the past. Pete George recommended that I post it at SciBlog. Sorry Pete George, I have posted those links at Sciblog in the past.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Yes, that’s bullshit, though.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:39 am
What would add an interesting new flavour into the mix would be if there actually *was* a prospective political party (as Mana currently is) that actually *was* racist and actually *did* subscribe to Hitler’s belief system and really *wanted* to destroy Maori.
Ie. If Hone’s bogeyman really did exist.
Brash’s biggest political problem is that he’s perceived as being extremist right wing simply because there is noone on the NZ political radar further to the right.
(Must specifically point out here that, i) I am not advocating that such a party would be a good thing and ii) I am not implying that right-wing is analogous with racism)
Just saying… if there was a political movement as hard to the right as Mana is to the left, then Act would be looked at dispassionately and viewed as rather ‘moderate’ in it’s policy.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:41 am
thedavincimode – I agree entirely with what you say. I wasn’t meaning his socialist rhetoric was correct, just that if he dropped the race angle he could be an effective left wing politician, a la Sue Bradford. *shudder* It doesn’t mean the right have to like it.
Vote:Your analogy of a child with toys is spot on. I’m saying it is because of the brainwashing from mum and co that he is like that. He can’t separate the race issue from areas where it is clearly not connected. His brain is hardwired to the downtrodden native syndrome.
May 5th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Meant to be…
as he (Pete George) has done in the past.
I forgot to add the following. It is the use of Ising Model again.
Social applications of two-dimensional Ising models
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:43 am
The Close Up interview on TV1 last night illustrated the extremes both Don Brash and Hone Harawira advocate. During the course of the interview Hone was restless and at times appeared bored, and Don was defensive and not entirely convincing with his argument.
Vote:Hone did call Don a Hitler to his face, an intended insult, which Don appeared bemused by.
The analysis of that debate is, Hone was better prepared, calm and articulated his position well. Don however was not strong and runs the risk of being considered a dottery old man past his time.
May 5th, 2011 at 11:47 am
smtcc – you said,
I think what DPF want’s you to do is (to be fair) supply some evidence to support your statement above. It’s a common thing to do when debating.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Anyone on the Left with half a clue would be disassociating themselves from Hone Harawira. His comments comparing Brash to Hitler are as embarrassing as they are wrong. There are a number of areas in which Brash and ACT could be legitimately attacked, but calling them racists is lazy and weak. Harawira’s obsession with race and special status for Maori is driving more and more Left-leaning voters to the Right. All bodes well for National, of course.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:49 am
As you lot, Donny Brash and Paula Benefit never tire of pointing out about beneficiaries and bludger sucking on the state; work will set you free…Arbeit macht Sie frei
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Oh and the Brash racist quote; Orewa. One nation, one people, one rule; that is one of Hitlers too.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
William, you do know the difference between inclusion and exclusion, right?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
william blake – stand as John Hadfield’s deputy. Your reference to the concentration camps fits nicely with his racist policies.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
william blake asserts that all maoris are dole bludgers!
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
What is racist about one law for all willie?
The concept is inclusive, racism is exculsive. Are we just plain using too many big words for you or something?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Pete George said
So Pete; does that mean that if one of Hone’s tamariki ever set up a political party, it would have to be called the Nana Party?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
wb
you are just showing your bigotry. Beneficiaries are not bludger suckers per se and neither Bennett nor Brash have said that. You know that to be true and your credibility fades away as a result. Their position is that the status of beneficiary is not a career move but a safety net. If you believe that we live in a world where some people work and some chose not to and be supported then you are in a minority. Can you give a single example of someone deprived of a benefit improperly?
FF
“The problems that maori are facing today (poor health, poor housing, poor education, blah, blah, blah,…) cannot be blamed on anyone else but themselves. It seems that Hone likes to point the fingers at someone else as scapegoat for their problems.”
Sadly, that is not altogether true. Certainly, the approach that Hone takes seeks to cast blame, completely, elsewhere and is wrong. He also needs to look in his own back yard. Much of the problem is a shared problem.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
I think William Blake’s issue might be that the Don Brash formula for how to get to ‘One Law for All” is that you terminate all legitimate civil claims pending that happen to be by persons of the Maori race, and then you pretend that you have thus created ‘One Law for All’ when in fact you have done precisely the opposite…?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
RRM; Brash indicated on the Close Up interview that he supported redress for historic Maori grievances (property ones at least). What else do you mean by legitimate civil claims?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
I think william blake is a typical leftie who thinks if he repeats a lie often enough people will believe it.
We wont.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Interesting also that some commentators are saying “One law for all” is racist because it is based on Pakeha law. As far as I’m aware Don Brash hasn’t suggested that at all. Much of the work done on addressing the needs of Maori is equally applicable to the wider population.
As an example, the Ministry of Education’s Ka Hikitia strategy aimed at raising Maori educational achievement identifies a key success factor being a good relationship between the teacher and the student. Who thinks this only applies to Maori? Many of the Maori parents at my local school are actually insulted that the Ministry seems to start with a presumption that their kids are going to do worse than others!
New Zealand is a multi-cultural country and we should be learning what we can from all of them.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Yes Nookin. Exactly. Our inconvenient truth.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
“New Zealand is a multi-cultural country”
Bullshit. New Zealand is a bi culteral country, Maori and everyone else who doesn’t count and has no cluture that will be respected anyway.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
The NACT is giving Harawera all the oxygen a polarising figure like him needs. His strategy is to grab the headlines, and you’re playing right into his hands. I’m starting to like this man more and more.
The more shrill the right wing attacks on Harawera become, the more the non-voters and other disaffected NZers will flock to him.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
The chance of changing any Harawira family views must be nil.
Could anyone (or anything) have less understanding of European history than Hone – a child, a household pet or a block of cheese, perhaps?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Magic Bullet, it can only be good for National. You don’t think Hone is scaring people away from the left with every stupid quote?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Hone’s use of the pejorative ‘Hitler’ may in fact be a projection. Hitler gained power through leadership of a Socialist party, with promises of benefits for the working man. This ideal morphed into promotion of the aryan race to the exclusion of others, expecially Jews (and gypsies etc.). Is Hone’s fantasy not the same; the espousal of socialist ideals as a cover for a separatist agenda.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Its not a “shrill attack” to observe that a person is a racist extremist. I’m willing to have the voters decide.
the shrill squealings if leftists trying to prove that Don Brash is a racist are nothing if not revealing about their ideology. Again I’m happy for voters to draw their own conslusions.
See you in November.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
To paraphrase Adolf F.: only maorons will vote for Harawira.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
DPF
“and wondered whether he would also have praised Hitler as a freedom fighter”
Oh yeah – because Bin Laden’s objective was to take over the world? You mugs just don’t know your history. The history of the middle east over the last hundred years is one of firstly, UK colonialism (first half of 20th century), then US and UK – backed coups against democratically elected governments – mostly in the name of oil profits.
In reference to Iran:
http://www.webcitation.org/query?id=1245703486221703
The entitled white of the kiwiblog right have no idea what it’s like to be an oppressed ethnicity though – nor do they ever try to imagine what it’s like to be one.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
mb said “The entitled white of the kiwiblog right have no idea what it’s like to be an oppressed ethnicity”
@mb – Do you know what it is like?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
“Oh yeah – because Bin Laden’s objective was to take over the world? ”
Yesssss, that was his stated goal, global domination of Islam. If you’re going to be a terrorist cuddler at least read their literature at the party you muppet.
I’m an oppressed urban Maori myself Rodders.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
“Yesssss, that was his stated goal, global domination of Islam.”
lol – and exactly how was he going to achieve that Muzza? Are you a silly man or just batshit crazy?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Well clearly he was compwetly infucking sane you dickless wonder.
Having an unachievable goal doesn’t mean its not a goal. Are you trying to be stupid because good help us if you’re not. Read his manifesto idiot.
Jesus DPF where do you find these stupid stupid socalist clowns?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
“I’m an oppressed urban Maori myself Rodders”
Really? Would never have picked it muzza. Why do you support the right then? Get dropped on your head as a child?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
mb asked “Why do you support the right then?”
It is better to support the right than support the wrong.
btw mb, who have you been “oppressed” by?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Ah so anyone who fits your particular perception but doesn’t toe a race line must be mentally impaired.
Where is Craig Ranipaia when you need, he would fuck you up three ways from hell.
In answer to your questions I’m not a pathetic crapweasle trying to get a free ride and holding my hand out while blaming everyone else for my own failings.
Unlike shit like you. I am nothing but proud to the be the opposite of all you are. Now run away and go look up the list of nations that Bin Laden declared he would destroy. We’re about number six.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Muzza – politicians spout rhetoric all the time. Sometimes it’s politically expedient for them to say “we want a north of $50 tax cut” even when they know that they can’t deliver on the promise. It still hypes their rep though. Get it?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
“Craig Ranipaia when you need, he would fuck you up three ways from hell”
BS – he just fiends rich dude D. That’s why he’s a rightist.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
??? (Google translate can’t cope with “fiends rich dude D”)
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Hone is a disgrace.
What a stupid man. He has the intellectual capacity of a gnat.
Hone just wants to go back to the old ways of eating human flesh like in the good old days.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Muzza – I think you’re getting a little carried away with the whole “Islam is going to take over the world” thing. The vast majority of Muslims are just people like Bill and Pam that live across the road. They just want to get on with their lives.
Osama saw himself as defending the ancient lands of his people against invaders. I can imagine someone of your personality type in Bin Laden’s culture Muzza – you would be gunning for the invading race’s blood as well.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Bin Larden’s demise certainly helps to spot the fifth columists and their Orwellian logic.
Vote:Bit like shoal fish
May 5th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
hmm why would a Maori support the right?? maybe because they work hard, understand economics, don’t need some sniveling little white boy to tell them they are oppressed? i suspect that would be part of it.
maybe they even believe in personal responsibility? maybe they believe that what happened 150 years ago shouldn’t dictate how they live their lives now..
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Stop using John Minto’s last name. You could be mistaken for him.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@mb – still awaiting the answer as to who has oppressed you.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
“maybe because they work hard, understand economics”
Awww yeah. I bet Muzza doesn’t understand economics. I bet he doesn’t know that wages in the bottom third of the Labour market have been flat for the last 25 years under our current right-wing macro economic settings. Never mind. It’s all over your heads.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
how old are you MB?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
How old are you MB? What’s your skin colour? Next you’ll be asking after my girth and length.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
mb is young enough not to remember the Muldoon wage price spiral.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
MB is a troll
Vote:Always a troll, stop feeding it
May 5th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
lance – i dont usually, but my meeting has been delayed and im bored!
mb – didnt think it was that much of a personal question. i hope for your sake youre under 20 and this socialist thing is a phase.
rodders – im 34, dont quite remember the wage/price spiral in action. learned about it in 3rd form economics though. fun times!
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
mb: The more shrill the right wing attacks on Harawera become, the more the non-voters and other disaffected NZers will flock to him.
That ignores facts – there are probably as many left wing attacks on him, and many of the non-voters and “disaffected” don’t give a shit about politics, his included, and never will.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Hone Harawira’s remarks about Osama Bin Laden being a fighter for his country and his people mark him for what he is; a waste of precious oxygen. Since when has an individual who has set out to destabilise the political infrastructure of his own country and that of its neighbours, and whose leadership has caused the deaths of thousands of his “people”, been a fighter for either. He might have been messianic, but so were, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and all the others. But in my book messianic and maniac aren’t too far apart. And now Hone seems to fit the bill too.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
magic bullet opines:
“Oh yeah – because Bin Laden’s objective was to take over the world?”
Actually, yes, in the long run it was. Al-Qaeda’s stated objective was to reform the Islamic Caliphate as it was at its hight, when Islam ruled not only the entire Middle East but India, Spain and the Blakans. From that platform they inted to wage constant war against the rest of the world until it submitted to Islam.
You really should try reading what these people write and listening carefully to what they say, instead of filling your brain with left wing shite.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
“I think you’re getting a little carried away with the whole “Islam is going to take over the world” thing. The vast majority of Muslims are just people like Bill and Pam that live across the road.”
How many Muslims do you know? And how do you know what “most Muslims” believe or want?
Evidence for this claim please.
As to Bill and Pam,
Does Bill hide Pam under a black blanket when she goes out in public? Would he kill his daughter for allowing herself to get raped? Does he pray to a rock five times a day? Does he campaign for th the death of people who offend his beliefs?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
@ MB
Vote:Why?
Is he registered trade mark
Last time I looked minto was on my birth certificate
May 5th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
william blake 12:00 You are wrong. What Hitler said was ‘Ein Reich, ein volk, ein fuhrer. Translated into English, it means; One Empire, one people, one leader. What Don Brash, and people on the right is for everyone to be equal under the law. Not Orwellian doublespeak.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
magic bullet (635) Says:
May 5th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
The entitled white of the kiwiblog right have no idea what it’s like to be an oppressed ethnicity though – nor do they ever try to imagine what it’s like to be one.
So MB you as a bleeding heart whitey of about 26 years of age, with a wife who works to support you whilst handing the responsibility of the care of your offspring to a Govt. paid for caregiver have a great insight to what being oppressed is really all about.
Would you not be better to go and actually live in some of those places where you would be an oppressed minority and then come back and tell us about your wordly experience.
Vote:Until then you are a vacuous troll.
May 5th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Lee01 – also do a google image search for ashura. Chances are Bill and Pam’s religious festivals, if they have any, don’t look much like this.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 9:26 am
MB:
As the son of parents who grew up under the Nazi jackboot in occupied Europe, I think I have a better handle on what its like to be oppressed than you. How Hone is starting the Mana Party is frighteningly close to how the National Socialist German Workers’ Party started. Political activists, unhappy with the current political state, founded by working class, against most other main political parties both left and right.
Vote:May 29th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
I think the NZ public can readily recognise a Hitler in our midst, or should I say ruling us. We have had quite a good chance to practice.
http://helenclark.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/helensbmp.jpg
The clue to the recognition of a Hitler? Check out the eyes.
Roger
http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com
Vote:July 21st, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Kevin H… did you ever stop to consider that Don was disgusted and insulted by Hone’s remarks (if someone likened me to Hitler to my face i would smash his teeth out instantly).
Don simply showed that he was above such childish and unequivicably racist and moronic comments.
Hone is far, far more akin to Hitler than Don but to liken a Maori to Hitler would just be racist now wouldn’t it !!!
RRM… how unbelievably ignorant, Don has publicly stated that treaty settlements should be honoured and that their is a genuine grievnace to be addressed there, the man simply promotes democratic process and equal rights for ALL, this means that once settlements have been reached- there should be no race based privelige as this is the purest form of racism there is… EXCLUSION BASED ON RACE, to say to any New Zealand citizen that they cannot have the same access to courses, higher education (and as a non Maori have to achieve higher marks to pass than Maori), waiver of course fees etc is simply the above mentioned exclusion based on race… DISGUSTING !!!
Dime… (why would a Maori support the right…) the nail has been hit squarely on the head ! much respect !!! never a truer word spoken, I think that you should enter into the deep dark murkiness of New Zealand politics as your opinions are actually much, much more than that – they are simple and undeniable truth and would be accepted by the vast majority as commonsense… you’d get my vote.
Vote:July 21st, 2011 at 7:12 pm
and thank you Mr Prosser for educating the monumentally ignorant
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