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Hone Harawira is employing some vintage Muldoonism; if you don’t like a journalist, you just ban them. How quickly he forgets all the airtime he got before last Saturday…
Scientists found that human menstrual cycle is chaotic after all. This may be of interest to economists in their research work about womens’ absenteeism rate from the work place.
Good to see Soper has recovered his testicles that H1 had in a jar on her desk. If H duP Allen had anything to do with it then thankyou very much, sheesh journalism could make a comeback.
I thought independance had been cremated along with P Henry.
We have talked and talked and talked – or posted. Over the years many people here have kept saying we need something different, we need to do things differently.
It’s time to move on from talk and to walk the walk.
I’ve set up a flexible framework for independent representation. I’m using that to focus on Dunedin North, I’ve already got things happening here.
If anyone else wants to pick up on it, do it your own way within the basic parameters or join with others who are setting up the list of independents than now’s the time to start walking, or to stand up and count.
So now the Kahui twins ‘devoted and caring’ mother has written a book.
In usual whanau fashion they all band together and in light of cultural sensitivity, taniwhas and the usual bollocks the murderer gets away with it.
It doesn’t matter now who killed those innocent babies (injuries- dislocated leg, squeezing, and severe head injuries (including torn cortex) from their being hit against hard surfaces x 2)..
the fact is that their mother was responsible for their safety and wellbeing..so she is accountable for their deaths. Now the callous bitch has written a book about their murder.
I bet she’s pregnant again soon and on welfare.
FFS!
To be accurate Megatron, Ian Wishart has written the book. If Macsyna King had written it, it would have been 12 pages long, written in txt-spk, and laden with obscenties. Now, the only obscenity is that she will profit from the death of her babies.
@PDM. That’s a cop out. When Labour did it it was wrong and National quite rightly called them on it. For National to now turn round and rort the taxpayers in exactly the same way makes them hypocritical wankers. Whether the system allows it or not doesn’t change that.
Ha ha, ‘Act’s parliamentary leader, John Boscawen, last night defended the spending as within the rules and merely promoting the party’s policies’. One of ACT’s few sensible ideas was to reform this sort of spending, but as long as the present rules suit them principles can go out the window.
Which journalists did Rob ban Inv? Tom Scott got his ass punted for behaving like a complete wanker on overseas trips by getting hammered and jumping on tables.
I know one reporter who trang him at 3am got a comment and no one cared either way. Could be a percpetion issue. I don’t recall him ever taking a journo to court like Helen did.
Research into the long-term physical implications of Net Overseas Migration, July 2010
p. 308
“…the larger the NOM, the larger are the (unmitigated) harms. Economic growth (per capita) combines with population increases to produce environmental impacts that are proportionally larger than changes in NOM levels. These impacts grow over time with the cumulative effect of higher annual flows of net migration. … In particular, the propensity for immigrants to concentrate in Western Sydney and in Melbourne increases their negative impact on water security, traffic congestion and pollution, waste management problems, local fresh food supplies, CO2 emissions, and local biodiversity.”
Other remarks and findings:
Higher levels of NOM (Net Overseas Migration) impose greater adverse impacts on the quality of our natural and built environments, other things being equal.
Under current migration rates, each capital would become an estimated one and a half times bigger, with massive gridlock-induced costs.
Sydney would lose about half of its productive land used for fresh fruit and vegetable production. “Physically, the demand on land is going to be immense.”
Agricultural production to decline after 2030. http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/research/_pdf/physical-implications-migration-report-3.pdf
Now, the only obscenity is that she will profit from the death of her babies.
According to IW (on RadioLive with Marcus this morning) there has been and will be no money going to Macsyna because “she didn’t want any” and he “wouldn’t have been able to do the book on that basis”. He’s promising a donation to charity “somewhere along the way”.
Quotes are to the best of my memory, but probably quite paraphrased.
Course if Macsyna got any money for the book it would mess with her benefit payments so there is no point her taking money for it, over the table of course.
Murray – Rob Muldoon more than once threatened that NZBC (now TVNZ + Radio NZ) would get a funding cut if they did not abide with his ‘directives’ re news items. The journos got so fed up with it that they stuck a tape recorder on the phone line.
Falafulu Fisi >Scientists found that human menstrual cycle is chaotic after all.
Next week: scientists find out that snow is cold, dogs chase cats, and it’s often windy in Wellington.
Please give me a big fat research grant so I can ‘find’ something like that.
Psst, here’s a heads up for you blokes. Sometimes we women use ‘women’s problems’ as an excuse to get out of something without you asking us too many questions. (Not to trivialise the unlucky minority who DO suffer badly once a month).
Economists might like to know numbers of women AND men taking time off for bogus reasons (‘stomach bugs’ that are really hangovers, etc), but I’m not sure how you’d get reliable data on that.
What I am saying is that there should be no Parliamentary (Taxpayer) funding of Political parties full stop. Let me expand on that by saying that there should also be no limits on the money spent by Political parties at any time providing the advertising/promotions are within the laws of the land.
Will the UN team known as England be doing the haka at the world cup with so many Kiwis in the side ?
Horis are natives of England, well I never.
Here is an evil idea, any horis who do not make the cut for the ABs will play for the Cook Islands at the next world cup.
I’m sure any hori will be able to find a Cook Island Grand parent.
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HJ said… Research into the long-term physical implications of Net Overseas Migration
I scanned that report quickly and it appeared that it is based on run-away scenario similar to run-away scenario used by warmists and AGW proponents. Global warming will go on indefinitely and not reached a plateau at some level in the future according to warmists. The migration feedback-effect wasn’t considered (at least was not addressed) in the report you have cited. Population growth is not a run-away phenomena. It will rise, then it will stabilize at a specific level and not run-away indefinitely . Migration will then come to a halt although it will fluctuate at a specific stable level. Perhaps the author of the report you linked to haven’t read this: An agent-based model to rural-urban migration analysis (its applicable to overseas migration).
From Red Alert – where I am banned for another month and in moderation for a year.
The Whale Plucks the Duck again:
`Whaleoil says:
June 28, 2011 at 10:15 am
And your point is what….don’t you believe in freedom of speech or democratic choice. We are having a referendum, anyone would think that you don’t want a debate.
How about debating the issues not the people?
Go right ahead and demonise and smear and lie. See where that gets you.’
@pdm: The problem with that basic idea is that it favours those parties who can generate more money. Some may ofcourse see this as a plus – after all, if your party can generate more funds, then this indicates that there is more support, right?
Unfortunately it doesn’t – more money only indicates that there is more support from those willing to donate larger amounts of money. This may be a small number of wealthy individuals or a small number of wealthy businesses.
It’s not clear to me that this is a good thing at all.
I see that screeching dunny door, Julia, is going down the toilet as far as the polls go. Bloody good, the Aussie’s are telling their thieving politicians where they can stick their Carbon tax. Meanwhile Shonkey is over telling the curry munchers he wants to lift the living standards of all NZer’s by making them richer. Surely this can’t be the same Shonkey who wishes to impose greater and greater carbon taxes on the part of the economy that produces a large proportion of our wealth. Gees where do they find these pontificating fools.
LEFTY “Unfortunately it doesn’t – more money only indicates that there is more support from those willing to donate larger amounts of money. This may be a small number of wealthy individuals or a small number of wealthy businesses.
OR a large number of Trade Unions (whose members don’t get a say)…Leftwing parties generally spend the most at Elections.
Falafulu Fisi
It beats me why human influences on the planet are deemed to (always) hit a high point and then come to a balance (best outcomes all round). If you look at population curves there is the “S” where predators bring the population under control or “J” where it rockets and crashes. It is true that some large populations (Japan) are falling and that women have fewer children with education and prosperity but it takes natural resources to bring large numbers of poor to prosperity.
There have been no great crack in the “warmists” argument despite the large funds available from people like the Koch brothers. The problem that AGW creates is that it negates the notion that humans doing their thing unfettered, in a market economy will always provide well being and prosperity. The problem is that the world economy is a subset of the worlds eco system.
Does anyone know if the commentator on RedAlert named Spud is a retard child or have mental disability? He/she doesn’t say anything in his posts, just a smile most of the time and not words. Amazing that they tolerate retard posts, but moderate anyone who says something that may offend them. It seems that RedAlert bloggers are themselves retards, since they’re happy with other retards (Spud) engaging in the debate with nothing to say.
I don’t usually read, let alone post, at either of the Labour party blogs – but I had to congratulate Trevor on his investigative abilities…using clues from Facebook to out the official spokesman, simply brilliant…
James Stephenson, hell I would be real happy with a rule that states all players playing for a country must be born in that country.
It would stuff England and Australia.
As for Roco LOL.
grumpy – qualifying via a parent is fair enough, but ditch the grandparent and residency qualifications…anything to stop these journeymen Kiwis clogging up the England side.
“A human-like ability to plan ahead has also been seen at a Swedish zoo, where one chimpanzee organised his day around hoarding stones and making discs from concrete so he could hurl them at visitors”
Kahui Twins– An Auckland writer believes he knows who killed the Kahui twins.
More evidence will be given this morning at the inquest into the deaths of three-month-old babies Chris and Cru. They died from head injuries five years ago, but no one has ever been held accountable.
Ian Wishart has written a book with the Kahui twins’ mother Macsyna King.
“The evidence to me, clearly indicates that the killer of those babies comes down to one of two people who was in the house that night and who was party to trying to resuscitate the babies, then deciding not to go to hospital,” he says.
“The evidence is overwhelming.”
– http://www.3news.co.nz/Wishart-I-know-who-killed-the-Kahui-twins/tabid/423/articleID/216755/Default.aspx
‘Advertised’ yesterday evening on TV ONE, the book is said to be the as yet -untold story.
‘Un-told’ at the time there is a coroner’s inquiry?
Can a book contain anything credibly ‘new’ if the person it features has already given evidence to the inquiry?
Can a book contain anything credibly ‘new’ if the person it features has already given evidence to the inquiry?
Going back to Wishart on Lush’s program this morning again, he’s claiming he asked her questions that the police never did…he was trying desperately (in a “You’ll have to buy the book” kind of way) to avoid saying who he thought did it, but slipped up at the end and said the police prosecuted the right person.
@PDM: Indeed, I suspect the link between money spent and votes garnered is non-trivial. However, it’s difficult to argue against the effectiveness of advertising, given the billions of dollars spent on it.
@backster: I’d be interested in seeing those numbers. You help make my point, however. Allowing arbitrary levels of funding of political campaigns may allow those with more funds to influence the resulting vote more than they would should that funding opportunity not be present.
Either way, transparency is the key regardless of the amount of funds involved. Perhaps that is where the focus should be?
James Stephenson Would England whine much when a lot of horis find they have a Cook Island Maori parent ?
Hell I have no problems with games England play, as long as we do the same.
England could meet the Cook Island NZ C team, Samoa NZ D team and then Tonga NZ E in their pool matches.
England meeting a full strength Maori team, my money would be on the horis.
So, I don’t generally go anywhere near the superior, smug, blind, ignorant people of the Standard; but this was sent to me in Bryce’s politics daily, which is proving to be a hell of a lot easier than trawling through news websites!
It is worth having a look at some of the comments, definitely ‘LOL’ worthy. My favourites include,
“you look at the vote and realise that it is overwhelmingly anti Government.” – Micky Savage
“Great (left) minds think alike…” – Frida
“The Right and Centre Right is using the MSM to screw with peoples heads.” – Colonial Viper
“One other point, the result does suggest that those damn landline opinion polls under report support for the left.” – M.S.
“I reckon the landline opinion polls underestimate Mana even more than they underestimate Labour.” – C.V. replying to M.S.
“That would be my guess as well.” – Iprent agreeing with M.S. and C.V.
and one more for good laugh!
“I think the left politcal parties in the western world had to make some compromises with the neoliberal establishment in order to get elected into government at all, since the early 80s. If they hadn’t made some compromises, they would have been totally demolished and marginalised by the neoliberal loving corporate MSM & other powerful corporates.” – ‘Carol’
Now, I’m not trying to be nasty about any of the above people/pseudonyms, i respect their opinions and right to say whatever they like, that doesn’t mean that I agree with them
In other news, I hope an FTA with India doesn’t include call centre outsourcing! I’m on 2degrees and it’s customer service centre is AMAZING
grumpy – what pisses me off is that there are so many average southern hemisphere players clogging up places at premiership level that actual English talent struggles to get through. That’s a separate issue from NZ and Australia sucking talent out of the islands and weakening their teams.
In this article……..
“Yesterday, the inquest heard Chris and Cru Kahui had “the full house” of injuries.
Kelly said when baby Chris arrived at hospital, the twins had “very extensive brain injuries and very extensive retinal haemorrhage”.
Cru’s brain injury was not as extensive but “still significant” and he had multiple fractured ribs, he said.
He said he believed the twins were slammed against something and the effect of their head injuries would have been immediate and obvious.
Kelly said the contusional tears affected almost every part of baby Chris’s brain.
The back of his fractured skull collapsed inwards when tubes were inserted to drain fluid from his brain.
Auckland District Health Board lawyer Anna Adams also questioned Kelly about Chris’ fractured femur, multiple fractured ribs and diabetes.
Kelly suggested Chris’s diabetes and very high sodium level could have been a result of his brain injury, or his not having been fed for a long time. ”
$2mil in funding and a $50k prize for proving that a god isn’t required to explain the origin of life…
Gosh that’s tempting
I don’t think we’re a long way from producing a proto-cell in abiotic conditions now. There’s been a lot of breakthroughs in chemical evolution of late (supported by a lot of work in molecular biology on early life).
BIG (bullying) TOBACCO are desperately fighting to help stop the NZ Government from looking after the health of NZ citizens whose health is affected by their product…………….
“NZPA | Tuesday June 28, 2011
Tobacco giant suing Australian govt ‘a warning’ for NZ
Tobacco giant Philip Morris suing the Australian government for introducing plain packaging laws for tobacco should send shockwaves through this country as it seeks a free trade deal involving the US, says an academic critic of the deal.”
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WHY?
Because of the recommendations arising from the Final Government Response’ to the Maori Affairs Select Committee Inquiry Report:
That the tobacco industry be required to provide tobacco products exclusively in plain packaging, harmonising with the proposed requirement in Australia from 2012.
Response
The Government is monitoring Australia’s progress on its proposal to legislate for plain packaging of tobacco products in 2012, and will consider the possibility on NZ aligning with Australia. ”
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Whatever you think about Hone Harawira – he deserves full credit for the leading role he has played in helping to achieve significant movement in this fight against ‘BIG TOBACCO’.
He has proven to have been extremely effective on this issue, which has such significant health impacts on Maori, through helping to achieve the Maori Affairs Select Committee Inquiry into the Tobacco Industry.
“Our very own Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira also stepped up the campaign by initiating a inquiry into Māori related tobacco death by Parliament’s Māori Affairs Select Committee.
We are making significant progress and the momentum must be continued.
The past 12 months have been the most rapid in the history of making policy around tobacco control.
Just over a year ago, the select committee announced it would carry out an inquiry into the tobacco industry and in particular the consequences of tobacco use for Māori.
In March, our co-leader, and Associate Minister of Health, Tariana Turia initiated a public consultation on a proposal to ban tobacco displays in retail outlets. In April results from the 2009 tobacco use survey showed that the current smoking rates for 15-64 year olds had dropped to 21.8%.
In real numbers that’s about 60,000 fewer smokers, in real numbers that is estimated to be more than 10,000 Māori. These are fantastic results which demonstrate that people are starting to recognise the serious harms that come from smoking and saying that it’s just not worth it.
Of course the most critical fact that motivates all of us to be here today is that 45% of Māori aged 15 to 64 years are smokers.
One in two long term smokers will die of smoking related diseases. Those, about 5000 every year, who die lose on average 15 years of life.
None of these statements are new but we offer no apologies in repeating them.
We are still losing generations of our people, dying in middle age.
Even more tragic is the fact that almost half the sudden unexplained deaths of Māori infants are attributed to smoking.
The biggest issue of all, bigger even than the fact that people are smoking, is the root causes for why people smoke.”
Tell ya what Penny, just drop a link back to your blog instead of pasting your shit all over the place. Keeps the place tidy from nutters. Thanks in advance for your help.
There’s got to be a way to make a few bob out of the situation. Back when a scroll wheel was first fitted to the basic mouse no one could have foreseen the phenomenon that is blog blight. Scrolling was just an easy way to get to the bottom of the page quicker….not a way of life.
Do you not think that a souped up version could be developed? Turboed maybe for quick acceleration, power assistance to avoid RSI & fitted with heavy duty ball bearings that would stand up to constant use. With a captive market such as has been created on Kiwiblog the concept could be a nice little earner.
Bollox to BIG government and social engineering.
Bags of coal featuring drowning Bangladeshis.
Chocolate bars to feature fat bastards.
Fish & chips to show heart surgery.
Cars to have crash pictures on the dash.
…..and don’t mention that other “drug” alcohol!!!!
Get the picture /.Nanny nanny nanny.
And does every second TV commercial have to be a public message to: smoke less, drink less, drive sober, enrol to vote, pay your fines, get your breasts screened, stop hitting your family, etc, etc?
“A couple suffered serious injuries when they were brutally beaten in a home invasion in Tauranga overnight.
The man and woman were asleep in the garage of their McClymont Pl home when they woke to a male attacking them with what police believe may have been a crowbar about 3.12am. The attacker is described as Maori, aged 18 to 25, 1.8m tall.”
gee yet another violent native..what the fucks wrong with these scumbags? Why dont they get a job instead of beating and maiming people.
James Stephenson England has a first five with the ability of Carter, second fives as good as Nomu/SWB, where are they hiding them ?
No, not in the England under twenty team
Grumpy- That U20 final was actually a damn fine and closely fought contest. There appeared to be a hell of a lot of potential for the future from both sides…
And I’d hold off rubbishing the English rugby team until after the World Cup this year eh? We did this in 2007 and made absolute Pork Chops of ourselves when our team of ‘Rock Stars’ got pummelled out of the tournament and ‘Dad’s Army’ nearly won the bloody final!!
@nasska “Do you not think that a souped up version could be developed? Turboed maybe for quick acceleration, power assistance to avoid RSI & fitted with heavy duty ball bearings that would stand up to constant use.”
I like it. Do you think we could incorporate a built-in BS detector – set on auto for whipping past anything posted by preaching lefties, idiots who troll and the unemployed, ‘know-all’ morons?
And we could make a special version for the bludgers – powered by a rubber band. It tightens with each post and is set to break every day at 9am – when the Job Centre opens. Replacement rubber bands are only handed out when they get a job!
If the home-gown English talent was better than the imported journeyman kiwi’s then they would get the starting position, yes?
How much does Government get from tobacco sales – count the direct taxation and then the benefits form smokers dying younger and not being a drain on welfare and superannuation?
How much would be lost if the evil BIG tobacco companies refused to sell their products in New Zealand? We might not like smoking but tell me anyone who doesn’t know and understand the health and social consequences of smoking.
The man on the BBC said the Greeks are going to stage a two day general strike, included in the list of those laying down their tools for the first time were actors, yes that should do it, no doubt the Greek government will be on it’s knees in no time flat. Another glorious advertisement for socialism and what the sharing and caring state can do for the individual. Perhaps the biggest worry is the statements of the top brass in the army who would rather have a coup then sell their souls to the Euro banking fascists. We live in interesting times.
While accepting the points ‘Christopher Thomson” made above I’d go one step further. What business is it of the government who smokes, who drinks or who eats crap food. It is a decision made by the participants, who if they are unable to research the effects of their vices on their health & mortality probably should be taken out of the gene pool in any case.
Thankfully Dear Leader has departed these shores so why not get rid of one of her most odious feminist traits & ditch the state sponsored nagging.
ROB MULDOON DIDNT REFUSE A INTERVIEW WITH THE JOURNALIST IAN FRAZER.
This is a lie, as we all know Ian Frazer is many things, but what he isnt is a “journalist”.
Then Moses confronted Pharaoh: “God’s Message: ‘At midnight I will go through Egypt and every firstborn child in Egypt will die, including the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sits on his throne.
Pharaoh replied ‘Tell your god that we have endured plagues of frogs, snakes, locusts. Our first born are next. So be it, put them to the sword, but leave immediately after and tell him not afflict us with the 11th plague, Blog Blight’ “
Can anyone tell me why imposing an illegal blockade (note the US spokesperson carefully avoided direct questions on the illegality of the blockade) is not a provocative act, but delivering shiploads of humanitarian aid to one of the most oppressed regions on the planet is “provocative”?
I wanted to join the flotilla but SWMBO forbade it – something to do with a two year old growing up without a father.
Love it! Be cautious although. A couple of exegeses like this & the conservative Christians who haunt this site will have you excommunicated on the spot.
Nasska, I did have another paragraph that basically stated that I wanted to be left alone to make my own decisions and live with the consequences but it got a bit ranty so I deleted it.
The Greeks have a bit of a history of the military running the place so a coup may not be total surprise. I was amused to read elsewhere that communist China was coming to the aid of capitalist Greece. I would suggest that China is more capitalist than most of Europe.
Luc, grow some balls and go do it. Stop using the missus as an excuse. Get out from behind her skirts and do what a real man would!
Don’t listen to her! Insure yourself & go do your duty. Certainly it will be hard on the kid but as she grows up she will appreciate that you were destined for martyrdom. Even us, your old pals at Kiwiblog will wipe away a tear or two, then try to carry on as we know you would wish.
It is a far, far better thing that you do, than you have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that you go to, than you have ever known.
It’s midnight on the Eve of the Election and the drums are pounding out a relentless beat.
The air is thick with cannabis smoke.
Masked naked women are dancing round in a frenzy, shrieking in ecstasy.
The High Priest is lubing up his massive cock with the blood of a slaughtered goat, and grinning at the male virgin lying bound face down over the swiss ball.
IAN STEWARD AND JONATHAN MARSHALL
Last updated 12:50 28/06/2011
The Kahui twins.
A Facebook group has been set up urging people not to buy a book written in collaboration with the mother of the Kahui twins.
As the inquest into the deaths of three-month-olds Chris and Cru Kahui inches forward at the Auckland District Court, a Facebook site called “Boycott the Macsyna King Book” has been set up in response to the news that the twins’ mother, Macsyna King, is about to release a “tell-all book”, written by journalist Ian Wishart.
Chris Kahui Snr was charged and later acquitted of the boys’ murder in 2008 and King’s involvement has been questioned, including by Kahui’s defence team at the trial.
“Somebody like this should not be allowed to profit from preaching her perverted view of the horrific events which led to the deaths of the only two children who hadn’t already been taken from her by CYF’s,” the Facebook site says.
It is not known who set up the site.
Author and publisher Ian Wishart this afternoon compared the book, due to hit bookshelves at the end of July, to the 1994 Once Were Warriors movie.
Wishart said King will not receive any money for the book, which he expects will sell in the thousands.
Wishart said the book, being published by his Howling at the Moon company, will contain new leads.
“There will be new revelations, it is a powerful book. Everybody who has read it has wept virtually on every page. It puts the whole life and death of the twins in the context,” Wishart said.
The book was raw, he said. “Once Were Warriors was a great book, but this is Once Were Warriors real.”
Wishart said he did not believe King was responsible for the death of her sons.
“I went into this with an open mind… I’ve come away feeling Macsyna has had a hard run, through a lot of fault of her own.
“Certainly she was not the killer of the twins.”
Wishart said it was “hard to say” whether the book would cause police to re-open their case.
“I’ve asked questions that nobody thought to ask Macsyna before so there are new answers.”
He expected some booksellers would refuse to stock the title.
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If you don’t want to read, and/or boycott Ian Wishart’s book – that’s YOUR choice.
However – please do NOT attempt to interfere with others LAWFUL right to ‘freedom of expression’ – to read and think about this matter for ourselves, and form our own opinions.
Surely – if Ian Wishart’s book results in the Police reopening the case and getting a conviction – that would be a GREAT outcome?
Where are all the ACT and Liberterian supporters on this issue?
Time to ‘walk the talk’ in support of ‘freedom of expression’?
Come on!
WHERE ARE YOU?
(Or are you going to just leave this to the ‘Public Watchdogs’?)
Penny, the book delves into the depths of scum like her and human misery (actually, Macsyna and her ilk are animals and savages). As far as publishing a book is concerned, I have no problems with Wishart or anyone else doing it. The public will dictate its success or failure.
I hope this evil woman and her whanau do not get one dollar out of it.
Manolo (4,517) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
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I hope this evil woman and her whanau do not get one dollar out of it.
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“Wishart said King will not receive any money for the book, which he expects will sell in the thousands.”
Where are all the ACT and Liberterian supporters on this issue?
Time to ‘walk the talk’ in support of ‘freedom of expression’?
Come on!
WHERE ARE YOU?
Who knows Penny for I’m none of those people. The only way I’d become a libertarian is if they paid (quite a lot for) ME to be a member, no-one else would ever know and all our meetings would be held at my insistence and their expense at Logan Brown, but sadly they don’t appear to value my membership that much for no-one’s ever asked me. Those big sillies.
Re: IMO this book, why not? Wishart apparently said she’s not profiting, that would be anathema but apparently it’s not happening, so so what?
I don’t have a problem with anyone learning anything they can from this so it is better understood. One thing I know about Wishart is he’s not a fool so I’m thinking there’s probably not going to be a lot of ‘blaming poverty and force majeur for one’s life circumstances’ which is what I’m sure, a great many lefties are hoping to find so it validates their own mental and frankly, poisonous and dangerous views on the real causal factors that become involved in matters like these.
So I’m pretty relaxed, really. You’re not a Libertarian are you Penny? Just if so, would you mind advancing my offer at the next activist meeting and just leave a message back here sometime. Cheers.
P.S. I don’t do things half-way so at least bi-weekly meetings at lunchtime usually is my expectation here…
So I’m pretty relaxed, really. You’re not a Libertarian are you Penny? Just if so, advance my offer at the next meeting and just leave a message back here sometime. Cheers.
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No I’m not a Libertarian ‘reid’ – but I’ve got a proven track record in defending ‘freedom of expression’ that would leave most of them for dead.
That group of course will be all your PC, bleeding heart, socialist and paid counselor friends Penny.
Never mind the kids and their fate and the arsehole who did this.
Like the Thompson thing it just must be shut down and not talked about in case some poor wee dear with a sensitive disposition gets upset. Well too too bad.
Sunlight is still the best disinfectant. Unfortunately it doesn’t come with scum killer options.
If I want to buy a book, I’ll go and buy it. If I don’t want to buy it, I won’t. Simple. But anyone who tries to tell me what I should buy or otherwise, I’ll tell them to get stuffed. I can make my own mind up.
If I want to go to a footy match, I’ll go. If I don’t want to go, I’ll stay away. But if anyone tried to tell me whether I should go or not, I’ll tell them to get stuffed too. I can make my own mind up and no dissident with a loud hailer would stop me.
So, in answer to your question – have I joined the witch hunters and book burners? Errr, no. Why would I want to stop Ian Wishart going about his lawful business and writing a book? His call. If it sells well – his gain. If it doesn’t sell, his loss.
Long Knives jesus christ England should be doing well, over a 150,000 senior players compared to our 27000.
Nope the team that is a bloody worry is France, you never know which team will turn up on the day,and the buggers travel well as shown by a 2 -0 series win over here.
England, even Portugal has a better average of scoring tries in a test against the ABs
That group of course will be all your PC, bleeding heart, socialist and paid counselor friends Penny.
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errr….. so you oppose the ‘book boycott’ Viking2?
I have no idea about the ‘group’ to which you are referring.
It would seem that the only thing you defend is the [apparent] right of people to waste our Courts’ time (also helping to perpetuate a backlog of cases waiting to be heard.)
So what you (and your friends) really do Penny, is conspire to prevent other people accessing justice.
If I want to buy a book, I’ll go and buy it. If I don’t want to buy it, I won’t. Simple. But anyone who tries to tell me what I should buy or otherwise, I’ll tell them to get stuffed. I can make my own mind up.
If I want to go to a footy match, I’ll go. If I don’t want to go, I’ll stay away. But if anyone tried to tell me whether I should go or not, I’ll tell them to get stuffed too. I can make my own mind up and no dissident with a loud hailer would stop me.
So, in answer to your question – have I joined the witch hunters and book burners? Errr, no. Why would I want to stop Ian Wishart going about his lawful business and writing a book? His call. If it sells well – his gain. If it doesn’t sell, his loss.
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errr… you’re the one who writes some stupid stuff ‘Elaycee’.
We actually agree on this issue?
I’m defending freedom of expression – something that you don’t usually when it comes to my postings on Kiwiblog.
So you’re actually bothering to read my posts now are you ‘Elaycee’?
It would seem that the only thing you defend is the [apparent] right of people to waste our Courts’ time (also helping to perpetuate a backlog of cases waiting to be heard.)
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Try removing your head from your bottom ‘bhudson’ – it may widen your perspective and allow you to keep up to date?
Penny, thanks for your reply and can I make a suggestion: take a lesson from everyone else here and recognise online real-estate, that portion of the thread we see on our average screens is very valuable and use what everyone else uses here and that is respect for the rest of us, by dropping the branding and only quote portions of posts you’re replying to.
Drop your sig line for example, it adds nothing, we all read your name. Also stop quoting every single word of the post you’re replying to. Also stop using horizontal lines and use the italic or blockquote tags like the rest of us.
No-one who is a prospect for your protest organisation ever inhabits this blog, trust me and if they do, they already know you.
So all your carefully designed formatting which I imagine took just ages to put together, actually here, achieves nothing, so please, just drop it, as a favour to us.
Join in, all the time, as we do, but just have enough respect for all of us, to do what WE do to each other, while we’re here, just like all the rest of us.
“Try removing your head from your bottom ‘bhudson’ – it may widen your perspective and allow you to keep up to date?”
The country will applaud when you are designated a “vexatious litigant”. You suck our justice system resources dry while other, more deserving, cases are kept waiting so that you can try to feed the blight that is your ego.
By the way – for your edification – surely to remain “up to date”, my head would have to remain where you claim it to be…
“Try removing your head from your bottom ‘bhudson’ – it may widen your perspective and allow you to keep up to date?”
The country will applaud when you are designated a “vexatious litigant”. You suck our justice system resources dry while other, more deserving, cases are kept waiting so that you can try to feed the blight that is your ego.
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errr…. small technical point ‘bhudson’?
How can I be a “vexatious litigant” – when I’M usually the one who gets taken to Court – because of arguably ‘vexatious’ prosecuting?
PS: Do YOU support the Ian Wishart ‘book boycotters’?
Simple question?
Yes or no?
(You shouldn’t have to remove your head from your bottom for too long to answer that question?
or……….. maybe not……………
starboard (2,080) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Penny pinhead your posts are so stimula…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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So – you support the Ian Wishart book boycotters ‘Starboard’?
Refusing to buy a book written by Ian Wishart is not an abuse of freedom of expression; it is a matter of good taste and probably a sign of intelligence.
C’mon Penny – you’ve taken one step forward, so don’t bugger it up…
You posted to ‘elaycee’ ‘nasska’ and ‘manolo’ so I read it. And I responded on behalf of ‘elaycee’. OK?
Now, promise me you’ll buck up.
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errr…’Elaycee’ – you must have forgotten your earlier post :
Elaycee (551) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Penny – don’t get excited.
Your posts are often crap. This particular one, however is reasonable and I’ve responded accordingly.
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Again – how do you know if my posts are ‘crap’ unless you actually read them ‘Elaycee’?
If you do read them – why do you pretend that you don’t – that you just scroll past them?
Now come on dear – buck up – or ……………
Nice that you’re being civil for a change ‘Elaycee’.
Penny you realise you may be the first victim of a spontaneous blog uprising in which we all band together and demand of our erstwhile host he immediately terminate your relationship with us, lest we all leave and then what happens to Kiwiblog?
I’m not sure if you understand how very imminent is this possibility and you know why?
Because you insist on dominating the precious real estate by garish formats that detract from what we do here, which is look straight through the interface and read the words to ourselves. This Penny is how people read online and in paper and also understand GUI systems.
One of the strings in my bow Penny is I’m not bad at the science and practice of human computer interaction. I know what colour combos are the most emotive and the most readable. I know how to make a GUI memorable and interesting and easy and I know how to present online words as well.
All I’m asking Penny and I’ve lost my humour on this, it’s not funny anymore, is for some simple human politeness. Some simple consideration and since you’re a lefty, I just know you fucking well understand precisely what I mean.
So no cute “oh what do you mean reid?’s,” please. Just none of those.
And no cute, “I don’t understand what you’re getting at reid. I don’t really know what formatting you’re talking about.”s, please.
Just fucking do it Penny. You know what. Just don’t fuck us around. What pray tell is your point in doing this anyway? Will you answer that? I hope so, but then I’m a really optimistic bastard sometimes, and then I normally cry cause I’m disappointed, which makes me angry cause I don’t want to show my feelings…
Refusing to buy a book written by Ian Wishart is not an abuse of freedom of expression; it is a matter of good taste and probably a sign of intelligence.
mm I woulda thought AirCon would float your boat but maybe I was wrong???
“England, even Portugal has a better average of scoring tries in a test against the ABs”
Do you think the Six Nations Champions really give a toss? Considering they were 2003 World Champs and runners-up in 2007?
Between World Championships NZ’s ‘rock stars’ can play all the swish,marketable ‘Candy Floss’ rugby they want and look pretty as hell on underwear billboards- but alas at World Cup time when England,France and South Africa fire it up and bring their ‘A’ squads this means diddly squat.
I’d love to see the World Cup drought broken but until we lose our perennial arrogance (as shown in your rubbishing of England) and the seemingly installed belief that we are ‘owed’ the World Cup I simply can’t see it happening…
So how many people have you denied justice to today Penny as you and your friends clog up the system with unnecessary and unwarranted appeals?
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errr…… I have NO idea to which ‘unnecessary’ and ‘unwarranted’ appeals you are referring that I have allegedly made?
Perhaps you would like to back up your drivel, ‘bhudson’ with some actual Court case reference numbers?
you may. be ….. not bad at the science and practice of human computer interaction, but I have some experience dealing with insane people, real rubber room insane people,
Rule the first. Never try and debate anything with them, why? because they are insane and by definition you can’t debate anything with them because ……
generally Rule the second applies
The best thing to do is hold them down so a doctor can pump them full of drugs and they can be carted off for treatment.
because if you ignore Rule the first Rule the second will be applied to you.
i think the only effective way of dealing with Penny might be just to ignore her posts completely.
Yes I’ve tried that mm but she doesn’t seem to go away, this is the problem.
I think her issue is she hasn’t realised she has a role here not as a WaterPressure representative/main driver but as a mere commenter equal to all, a bit like the Roman Senate. But she’s not really acting like a Senator, instead she’s acting like Hone and Trevor would if they’d had a child together and called her Hulun.
It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key and that is Russian national interest Penny is Hulun.
The best thing to do is hold them down so a doctor can pump them full of drugs and they can be carted off for treatment.
Paul thanks for that helpful advice, which I take on board. Personally I quite like being held down while a doctor pumps me full of drugs. I wonder how I can organise that…
Nookin’, alex and others have quoted them near ad infinitum on this blog Penny. You and Vince get your butts handed to you on a plate every time you try to appeal (which, it would seem, always include accusations of bias by judges.)
You know the cases and hearings you and your friends have had. Each one wastes precious resources and denies justice to other, deserving, people.
You leech justice from ordinary people Penny – you deny them access to justice through clogging up the system and wasting time. Do you take great delight at the suffering you inflict on those people Penny as they wait and wait for their cases to be heard?
Penny you realise you may be the first victim of a spontaneous blog uprising in which we all band together and demand of our erstwhile host he immediately terminate your relationship with us, lest we all leave and then what happens to Kiwiblog?
I’m not sure if you understand how very imminent is this possibility and you know why?
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Oh dear – you can’t handle the debate ‘reid’ so you want to ‘gang up’ and try and get me removed from Kiwiblog?
Don’t just talk about it ‘reid’ – FILL YOUR BOOTS and DO IT.
What sort of crap is that?
So – you don’t believe in ‘freedom of expression’ either ‘reid’.
Unfortunately for you – David Farrar DOES.
(Would probably improve the quality of posts to Kiwiblog if you ‘boycotted’ and I didn’t.)
I didn’t realise you were such a bullying wanker ‘reid’.
i think the only effective way of dealing with Penny might be just to ignore her posts completely.
Your kind suggestions for her earlier are going to be ignored.
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So – you don’t believe in freedom of expression either ‘mikenmild’?
You don’t think the attempt to limit the distribution of Ian Wishart’s book on the Kahui twins murder is important?
Why would you want to ignore such an issue?
Or – you just can’t handle someone who can defend themself or their opinions – so you just want to try and shut me up or shut me down?
Nookin’, alex and others have quoted them near ad infinitum on this blog Penny. You and Vince get your butts handed to you on a plate every time you try to appeal (which, it would seem, always include accusations of bias by judges.)
You know the cases and hearings you and your friends have had. Each one wastes precious resources and denies justice to other, deserving, people.
You leech justice from ordinary people Penny – you deny them access to justice through clogging up the system and wasting time. Do you take great delight at the suffering you inflict on those people Penny as they wait and wait for their cases to be heard?
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PUT UP or SHUT UP ‘bhudson ‘?
NAME the court cases to which you are referring that I have initiated which ‘waste(s) precious resources and denies justice to other, deserving, people.’
I’m all for your freedom of expression. As reid has pointed out, whether you are ignored or not will have no effect. You are free to display your foolishness.
No one is limiting the distribution of Wishart’s book. Some people are suggesting that it’s not worth buying or reading. I don’t care if anyone reads it. Ms King has had ample opportunities to tell her story and I doubt she has anything else much to say that I’d choose to hear.
Do you, Vince and friends celebrate the misery you cause others by having their cases delayed in the system? Do you delight in dancing on the grave of their justice?
What have those people done to you all Penny that they should have to suffer the loss of their rights? How have they wronged you so badly? Why do you persecute them so?
Re Wishart, Book, King and the claim that she isn’t profiting from the sale of the book, it doesn’t mean she hasn’t already been paid a fee or “expenses”. Just sayin’.
Interestingly the FB page has close to 11,000 followers, a NZ record I imagine.
Sure, many of the posters are rabid, lynch mob types but there are many relevant comments too. The disgust at Wishart’s timing of release of the book while the inquest is happening is real, that’s pretty tacky marketing.
Also his claim on TVONE that the FB site is similar to book burning and that a boycott is somehow preventing “information” from getting out there is bollocks. He could have got the “information” out there without trying to make a dollar out of it. If he had then he would have had 11,000 “friends” instead of the lynch mob!
Wishart making himself out to be the last bastion of freedom of speech isn’t going over too well – bloody peasants, revolting indeed……
Oh dear – you can’t handle the debate ‘reid’ so you want to ‘gang up’ and try and get me removed from Kiwiblog?
Yes.
Don’t just talk about it ‘reid’ – FILL YOUR BOOTS and DO IT.
I am.
What sort of crap is that?
I don’t know…
So – you don’t believe in ‘freedom of expression’ either ‘reid’.
Not for you in terms of how you present your words Penny. Whatever you say, is yours to own. But it’s the presentation of the words that has to change. Period.
Not the content, the presentation.
Unfortunately for you – David Farrar DOES.
Well, we don’t know that since this is the first time this has may ever have happened in the long, lamentable glorious history of Kiwibloggingdom, isn’t it. So there.
I didn’t realise you were such a bullying wanker ‘reid’.
Well I trust you now stand corrected, Penny. I mean crikey, isn’t everyone?
reid, while not actually boycotting KB I certainly don’t visit/comment nearly as much as I used to largely because DPF doesn’t seem to care about us. He could stop this crap at any time simply by imposing a limit on comment length. Or by banning the nutcase (and here I agree completely with Pauleastbay).
But I have found I don’t care that much. It’s as easy as ignoring philu. You know the golden rule, don’t stick your dick in make eye contact with crazy.
Right, I’m off to kill big robots and zombies in a gory, blood-fest on Xbox. It’s a very interesting game (for you gamers out there, you know who you are) which is obviously based on Ayn Rand’s philosophy. I know, there weren’t any zombies or robots in her books but if you know the game you’ll know what I mean!!
One of the central characters is called “Atlas” and another is “Andrew Ryan” (Not quite an anagram.)
It’s called Bioshock and is very good, beautiful graphics, atmospheric sound. All Art deco and gorgeous.
For those who support ‘freedom of expression’ – and the concept of seeking ‘truth from facts’ – here is Ian Wishart’s facebook page.
For those who have the guts to make a stand on principle and are prepared to ‘swim against the tide’ – here is your opportunity to make your opinions known.
(It will be interesting to see how many ‘Kiwibloggers’ step up to the plate).
Luc, sorry it took a while to get back and with the others reminding Penny that she is a legend in her own mind I didn’t have much reason to intrude.
Anyway, yes you should go. Unless you actually attempt to kill an IDF soldier you will be as safe as houses. Get on a boat that doesn’t have those that plan to be martyrs aboard and you will come through fine. It will give you much more credibility when you come back. It will also be one heck of an adventure. Remember there is already a kiwi who is going again. it will even give you a bit of tele time. You may only get this one chance. Remember “there comes a time in the affairs of men, that, if taken at the flood…….”
Penny…go back to inspecting welds and leave us alone.
You seem to revel in the abuse that is piled upon you as if you have some weird self flagellating kink in your personality.
Get some help…meant in the nicest possible way.
There is something quite scary about the dishonest hypocrasy of some people who assert rights of freedom of expression. Take the Kahui book for expression. Penny asserts the right to freedom of expression. King has the right to write the book, absolutely. There will be those looking forward to the naming of names and that it quite understandable.
On the other hand, there are those who, as a matter of principle, take the view that Ms King’s right to write a book, on her own terms and depicting herself in her own perceived light, is subvervient to her obligation to tell the story to the police, the court and the coroner. These people take the view that the poor old taxpayer has spent megabucks to find out why two innocent babies were brutalised and killed and so, maybe, they should not have to pay any more to learn a truth that should have been public before now.
So, tell me Penny, why the people in the second category are gutless because that make a stand on principle and say that they will not buy the book? Is that not freedom of expression or do they only have those rights to express views that you find acceptable? Just like court orders are valid and to be obeyed if you find them acceptable? Isn’t there something very dictatorial, autocratic and undemocratic inherent in your philosophy.
You see, when it comes down to the bottom line, when you look at your underlying principles and the sheer intolerance of those with whom you disagree and the abuse you heap on them, you are a thuggish hypocrite. That is why you raise the ire of most people on this blog. You raise some good topics but will only debate them on your own terms. Your resitance to dissent suggest that you are only here for your own self-aggrandizement. I have said this before. Why not take a hint. Play the game or, if you want to do it by your rules, do it on your own blog.
June 28th, 2011 at 8:01 am
Yes? Yes!
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Like pigks to the through: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10734929&ref=rss
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Another reason why comrade Clark and her socialist mob love “progressive” Sweden:
Vote:http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/pc-preschool-bans-words-him-and-her/story-e6frfku0-1226082470863
June 28th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Manolo (4509) – there is of course a simple answer to this – stop all Parliamentary funding of Political Parties.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:27 am
Hone Harawira is employing some vintage Muldoonism; if you don’t like a journalist, you just ban them. How quickly he forgets all the airtime he got before last Saturday…
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/06/hone-muldoon.html
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Scientists found that human menstrual cycle is chaotic after all. This may be of interest to economists in their research work about womens’ absenteeism rate from the work place.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Good to see Soper has recovered his testicles that H1 had in a jar on her desk. If H duP Allen had anything to do with it then thankyou very much, sheesh journalism could make a comeback.
Vote:I thought independance had been cremated along with P Henry.
June 28th, 2011 at 8:42 am
We have talked and talked and talked – or posted. Over the years many people here have kept saying we need something different, we need to do things differently.
It’s time to move on from talk and to walk the walk.
I’ve set up a flexible framework for independent representation. I’m using that to focus on Dunedin North, I’ve already got things happening here.
If anyone else wants to pick up on it, do it your own way within the basic parameters or join with others who are setting up the list of independents than now’s the time to start walking, or to stand up and count.
We need a decent alternative in opposition. For the List and the Leadership.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:46 am
So now the Kahui twins ‘devoted and caring’ mother has written a book.
Vote:In usual whanau fashion they all band together and in light of cultural sensitivity, taniwhas and the usual bollocks the murderer gets away with it.
It doesn’t matter now who killed those innocent babies (injuries- dislocated leg, squeezing, and severe head injuries (including torn cortex) from their being hit against hard surfaces x 2)..
the fact is that their mother was responsible for their safety and wellbeing..so she is accountable for their deaths. Now the callous bitch has written a book about their murder.
I bet she’s pregnant again soon and on welfare.
FFS!
June 28th, 2011 at 8:53 am
To be accurate Megatron, Ian Wishart has written the book. If Macsyna King had written it, it would have been 12 pages long, written in txt-spk, and laden with obscenties. Now, the only obscenity is that she will profit from the death of her babies.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Beasts like Macsyna should be sterilised outright to save lives and money.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:03 am
@PDM. That’s a cop out. When Labour did it it was wrong and National quite rightly called them on it. For National to now turn round and rort the taxpayers in exactly the same way makes them hypocritical wankers. Whether the system allows it or not doesn’t change that.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Ha ha, ‘Act’s parliamentary leader, John Boscawen, last night defended the spending as within the rules and merely promoting the party’s policies’. One of ACT’s few sensible ideas was to reform this sort of spending, but as long as the present rules suit them principles can go out the window.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:13 am
Which journalists did Rob ban Inv? Tom Scott got his ass punted for behaving like a complete wanker on overseas trips by getting hammered and jumping on tables.
I know one reporter who trang him at 3am got a comment and no one cared either way. Could be a percpetion issue. I don’t recall him ever taking a journo to court like Helen did.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Research into the long-term physical implications of Net Overseas Migration, July 2010
p. 308
“…the larger the NOM, the larger are the (unmitigated) harms. Economic growth (per capita) combines with population increases to produce environmental impacts that are proportionally larger than changes in NOM levels. These impacts grow over time with the cumulative effect of higher annual flows of net migration. … In particular, the propensity for immigrants to concentrate in Western Sydney and in Melbourne increases their negative impact on water security, traffic congestion and pollution, waste management problems, local fresh food supplies, CO2 emissions, and local biodiversity.”
Other remarks and findings:
Higher levels of NOM (Net Overseas Migration) impose greater adverse impacts on the quality of our natural and built environments, other things being equal.
Vote:Under current migration rates, each capital would become an estimated one and a half times bigger, with massive gridlock-induced costs.
Sydney would lose about half of its productive land used for fresh fruit and vegetable production. “Physically, the demand on land is going to be immense.”
Agricultural production to decline after 2030.
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/research/_pdf/physical-implications-migration-report-3.pdf
June 28th, 2011 at 9:20 am
According to IW (on RadioLive with Marcus this morning) there has been and will be no money going to Macsyna because “she didn’t want any” and he “wouldn’t have been able to do the book on that basis”. He’s promising a donation to charity “somewhere along the way”.
Quotes are to the best of my memory, but probably quite paraphrased.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Course if Macsyna got any money for the book it would mess with her benefit payments so there is no point her taking money for it, over the table of course.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Murray – Rob Muldoon more than once threatened that NZBC (now TVNZ + Radio NZ) would get a funding cut if they did not abide with his ‘directives’ re news items. The journos got so fed up with it that they stuck a tape recorder on the phone line.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:50 am
That’s great Perterwn but, like Murray, the only person I remember Muldoon banning from Press conferences was non-journalist Scot
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Falafulu Fisi >Scientists found that human menstrual cycle is chaotic after all.
Next week: scientists find out that snow is cold, dogs chase cats, and it’s often windy in Wellington.
Please give me a big fat research grant so I can ‘find’ something like that.
Psst, here’s a heads up for you blokes. Sometimes we women use ‘women’s problems’ as an excuse to get out of something without you asking us too many questions. (Not to trivialise the unlucky minority who DO suffer badly once a month).
Economists might like to know numbers of women AND men taking time off for bogus reasons (‘stomach bugs’ that are really hangovers, etc), but I’m not sure how you’d get reliable data on that.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Matt (298) – why is what I said a cop out?
What I am saying is that there should be no Parliamentary (Taxpayer) funding of Political parties full stop. Let me expand on that by saying that there should also be no limits on the money spent by Political parties at any time providing the advertising/promotions are within the laws of the land.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Will the UN team known as England be doing the haka at the world cup with so many Kiwis in the side ?
Horis are natives of England, well I never.
Here is an evil idea, any horis who do not make the cut for the ABs will play for the Cook Islands at the next world cup.
I’m sure any hori will be able to find a Cook Island Grand parent.
ENGLAND’S OVERSEAS-BORN PLAYERS
�SOUTH AFRICA
�Matt Stevens
�Hendre Fourie
�Mouritz Botha
�NEW ZEALAND
�Dylan Hartley
�Shontayne Hape
�Riki Flutey
�Thomas Waldrom
�SAMOA
�Manu Tuilagi
�AUSTRALIA
�Joe Simpson
�TRINIDAD
�Delon Armitage
�UNITED STATES
�Alex Corbisiero
�KENYA
�Simon Shaw
�JERSEY
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Re Muldoon – I recall that he refused for some years to be interviewed by Ian Fraser.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:02 am
grump
But where would we be if the overseas-born AB’s played for their birth countries?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Also, wasn’t there a period when neither Muldoon or his Ministers would deal with The Dominion?
Vote:Entirely their call, of course.
June 28th, 2011 at 10:11 am
HJ said…
Research into the long-term physical implications of Net Overseas Migration
I scanned that report quickly and it appeared that it is based on run-away scenario similar to run-away scenario used by warmists and AGW proponents. Global warming will go on indefinitely and not reached a plateau at some level in the future according to warmists. The migration feedback-effect wasn’t considered (at least was not addressed) in the report you have cited. Population growth is not a run-away phenomena. It will rise, then it will stabilize at a specific level and not run-away indefinitely . Migration will then come to a halt although it will fluctuate at a specific stable level. Perhaps the author of the report you linked to haven’t read this: An agent-based model to rural-urban migration analysis (its applicable to overseas migration).
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:23 am
I believe that Simon Walker was another on Muldoon’s persona-non-grata list
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:26 am
IV2
I’d hate to try and name everyone on that list!
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Thanks for reminding me IV2. Just the tonic for a cold winter’s day…
http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/tonight—robert-muldoon-interview-1976
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:27 am
From Red Alert – where I am banned for another month and in moderation for a year.
The Whale Plucks the Duck again:
`Whaleoil says:
June 28, 2011 at 10:15 am
And your point is what….don’t you believe in freedom of speech or democratic choice. We are having a referendum, anyone would think that you don’t want a debate.
How about debating the issues not the people?
Go right ahead and demonise and smear and lie. See where that gets you.’
Good stuff WhaleOil!!!
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:29 am
@pdm: The problem with that basic idea is that it favours those parties who can generate more money. Some may ofcourse see this as a plus – after all, if your party can generate more funds, then this indicates that there is more support, right?
Unfortunately it doesn’t – more money only indicates that there is more support from those willing to donate larger amounts of money. This may be a small number of wealthy individuals or a small number of wealthy businesses.
It’s not clear to me that this is a good thing at all.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:46 am
leftylib (9) – you say `more money only indicates that there is more support from those willing to donate larger amounts of money’.
My interpretation of that it money raised and spent does not equate to votes received.
So what is your problem?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Hori – at least four of those names qualify by dint of an English parent. Hartley, Simpson, Corbisiero and Shaw (both mother and father).
Would you like to exclude Sivivatu, Franks or Rokocoko from the AB’s? (ok don’t answer that last one…)
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:51 am
I see that screeching dunny door, Julia, is going down the toilet as far as the polls go. Bloody good, the Aussie’s are telling their thieving politicians where they can stick their Carbon tax. Meanwhile Shonkey is over telling the curry munchers he wants to lift the living standards of all NZer’s by making them richer. Surely this can’t be the same Shonkey who wishes to impose greater and greater carbon taxes on the part of the economy that produces a large proportion of our wealth. Gees where do they find these pontificating fools.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I recall that Clark sued TV3 and scored a $30,000 jusdgment and then got nothing but patsy fucking interviews from then on.
If Hone is like anyone its closer to her than Muldoon.
Remind did muldoon ever refuse to acknowledge people who were speaking in English?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:57 am
What is Bill English doing. Is his plan to be responsible for everything?
Vote:http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/5199306/Desperate-search-for-4-7b-cover
Each step by itself seems sort of reasonable.
But list of things the Goverment is prepared to be the backstop for is getting ridiculous.
Is his historical legacy going to be “Bill the Nanny”
June 28th, 2011 at 11:02 am
LEFTY “Unfortunately it doesn’t – more money only indicates that there is more support from those willing to donate larger amounts of money. This may be a small number of wealthy individuals or a small number of wealthy businesses.
OR a large number of Trade Unions (whose members don’t get a say)…Leftwing parties generally spend the most at Elections.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 11:08 am
As expected The Duck couldn’t hack disagreement and the truth.
`Whaleoil says:
June 28, 2011 at 10:59 am
Oh great, oppose something and straight into moderation you go. You guys really are beyond the pale.’
Chalk up another victory to The Whale.
BTW my crime was disagreeing and telling the truth – Intolerent Trev couldn,t hack it then either.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Falafulu Fisi
Vote:It beats me why human influences on the planet are deemed to (always) hit a high point and then come to a balance (best outcomes all round). If you look at population curves there is the “S” where predators bring the population under control or “J” where it rockets and crashes. It is true that some large populations (Japan) are falling and that women have fewer children with education and prosperity but it takes natural resources to bring large numbers of poor to prosperity.
There have been no great crack in the “warmists” argument despite the large funds available from people like the Koch brothers. The problem that AGW creates is that it negates the notion that humans doing their thing unfettered, in a market economy will always provide well being and prosperity. The problem is that the world economy is a subset of the worlds eco system.
June 28th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Walter Cronkite: “America’s health care system is neither healthy, caring, nor a system.”
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Does anyone know if the commentator on RedAlert named Spud is a retard child or have mental disability? He/she doesn’t say anything in his posts, just a smile most of the time and not words. Amazing that they tolerate retard posts, but moderate anyone who says something that may offend them. It seems that RedAlert bloggers are themselves retards, since they’re happy with other retards (Spud) engaging in the debate with nothing to say.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Falafulu, please do not waste your time engaging with the morons and retards at Red Alert, which is a hopeless site intolerant of dissenting opinion.
It showcases the left’s inability to participate in robust discussion, since all the comrades want is an echo chamber.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Manolo I’m banned there at RedAlert.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 11:36 am
I don’t usually read, let alone post, at either of the Labour party blogs – but I had to congratulate Trevor on his investigative abilities…using clues from Facebook to out the official spokesman, simply brilliant…
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 11:51 am
He’s a smart cookie, that Trevor. His body might be knackered, but his mind is as sharp as it’s ever been (read into that what you want!)
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 11:55 am
James Stephenson, hell I would be real happy with a rule that states all players playing for a country must be born in that country.
Vote:It would stuff England and Australia.
As for Roco LOL.
June 28th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
grumpy – qualifying via a parent is fair enough, but ditch the grandparent and residency qualifications…anything to stop these journeymen Kiwis clogging up the England side.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
HJ the Paul Krugman’s economic migration scenario is covered here.
Modelling Migration and Economic Agglomeration with Active Brownian Particles
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Here’s one for the fundies:
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/06/scientist-politician-atheist-off.html?ref=hp
$2mil in funding and a $50k prize for proving that a god isn’t required to explain the origin of life…
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Just received this in the mail, Christ it made me laugh.
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/06/a-stones-throw-from-a-chimp.html
“A human-like ability to plan ahead has also been seen at a Swedish zoo, where one chimpanzee organised his day around hoarding stones and making discs from concrete so he could hurl them at visitors”
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Kahui Twins–
An Auckland writer believes he knows who killed the Kahui twins.
More evidence will be given this morning at the inquest into the deaths of three-month-old babies Chris and Cru. They died from head injuries five years ago, but no one has ever been held accountable.
Ian Wishart has written a book with the Kahui twins’ mother Macsyna King.
“The evidence to me, clearly indicates that the killer of those babies comes down to one of two people who was in the house that night and who was party to trying to resuscitate the babies, then deciding not to go to hospital,” he says.
“The evidence is overwhelming.”
– http://www.3news.co.nz/Wishart-I-know-who-killed-the-Kahui-twins/tabid/423/articleID/216755/Default.aspx
‘Advertised’ yesterday evening on TV ONE, the book is said to be the as yet -untold story.
Vote:‘Un-told’ at the time there is a coroner’s inquiry?
Can a book contain anything credibly ‘new’ if the person it features has already given evidence to the inquiry?
June 28th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Only in New Zealand’s MSM lala land will you get more outrage at a white man’s periods comments than about the unlawful killing of twin babies.
What about the attention given the bloody penguin. Should be put down if it’s that sick.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Going back to Wishart on Lush’s program this morning again, he’s claiming he asked her questions that the police never did…he was trying desperately (in a “You’ll have to buy the book” kind of way) to avoid saying who he thought did it, but slipped up at the end and said the police prosecuted the right person.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@PDM: Indeed, I suspect the link between money spent and votes garnered is non-trivial. However, it’s difficult to argue against the effectiveness of advertising, given the billions of dollars spent on it.
@backster: I’d be interested in seeing those numbers. You help make my point, however. Allowing arbitrary levels of funding of political campaigns may allow those with more funds to influence the resulting vote more than they would should that funding opportunity not be present.
Either way, transparency is the key regardless of the amount of funds involved. Perhaps that is where the focus should be?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
James Stephenson Would England whine much when a lot of horis find they have a Cook Island Maori parent ?
Hell I have no problems with games England play, as long as we do the same.
England could meet the Cook Island NZ C team, Samoa NZ D team and then Tonga NZ E in their pool matches.
England meeting a full strength Maori team, my money would be on the horis.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
So, I don’t generally go anywhere near the superior, smug, blind, ignorant people of the Standard; but this was sent to me in Bryce’s politics daily, which is proving to be a hell of a lot easier than trawling through news websites!
It is worth having a look at some of the comments, definitely ‘LOL’ worthy. My favourites include,
“you look at the vote and realise that it is overwhelmingly anti Government.” – Micky Savage
“Great (left) minds think alike…” – Frida
“The Right and Centre Right is using the MSM to screw with peoples heads.” – Colonial Viper
“One other point, the result does suggest that those damn landline opinion polls under report support for the left.” – M.S.
“I reckon the landline opinion polls underestimate Mana even more than they underestimate Labour.” – C.V. replying to M.S.
“That would be my guess as well.” – Iprent agreeing with M.S. and C.V.
and one more for good laugh!
“I think the left politcal parties in the western world had to make some compromises with the neoliberal establishment in order to get elected into government at all, since the early 80s. If they hadn’t made some compromises, they would have been totally demolished and marginalised by the neoliberal loving corporate MSM & other powerful corporates.” – ‘Carol’
http://thestandard.org.nz/mana-a-victory-for-the-left/
Now, I’m not trying to be nasty about any of the above people/pseudonyms, i respect their opinions and right to say whatever they like, that doesn’t mean that I agree with them
In other news, I hope an FTA with India doesn’t include call centre outsourcing! I’m on 2degrees and it’s customer service centre is AMAZING
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
grumpy – what pisses me off is that there are so many average southern hemisphere players clogging up places at premiership level that actual English talent struggles to get through. That’s a separate issue from NZ and Australia sucking talent out of the islands and weakening their teams.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Of course, James Stephenson, those average Southern Hemisphere players force Northern Hemisphere teams to employ them.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
No free market in sport! Must have tariff barriers.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5199185/Group-opposes-book-by-Kahui-twins-mother
In this article……..
“Yesterday, the inquest heard Chris and Cru Kahui had “the full house” of injuries.
Kelly said when baby Chris arrived at hospital, the twins had “very extensive brain injuries and very extensive retinal haemorrhage”.
Cru’s brain injury was not as extensive but “still significant” and he had multiple fractured ribs, he said.
He said he believed the twins were slammed against something and the effect of their head injuries would have been immediate and obvious.
Kelly said the contusional tears affected almost every part of baby Chris’s brain.
The back of his fractured skull collapsed inwards when tubes were inserted to drain fluid from his brain.
Auckland District Health Board lawyer Anna Adams also questioned Kelly about Chris’ fractured femur, multiple fractured ribs and diabetes.
Kelly suggested Chris’s diabetes and very high sodium level could have been a result of his brain injury, or his not having been fed for a long time. ”
This made me feel sick.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
James Stephenson
Gosh that’s tempting
I don’t think we’re a long way from producing a proto-cell in abiotic conditions now. There’s been a lot of breakthroughs in chemical evolution of late (supported by a lot of work in molecular biology on early life).
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
28 June 2011
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/tobacco-giant-suing-australian-govt-warning-nz-ck-96034
BIG (bullying) TOBACCO are desperately fighting to help stop the NZ Government from looking after the health of NZ citizens whose health is affected by their product…………….
“NZPA | Tuesday June 28, 2011
Tobacco giant suing Australian govt ‘a warning’ for NZ
Tobacco giant Philip Morris suing the Australian government for introducing plain packaging laws for tobacco should send shockwaves through this country as it seeks a free trade deal involving the US, says an academic critic of the deal.”
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WHY?
Because of the recommendations arising from the Final Government Response’ to the Maori Affairs Select Committee Inquiry Report:
http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Presented/Papers/8/6/0/49DBHOH_PAP21175_1-Government-Final-Response-to-Report-of-the-M-ori.htm
(See pg 7
“Plain packaging
Recommendation 7
That the tobacco industry be required to provide tobacco products exclusively in plain packaging, harmonising with the proposed requirement in Australia from 2012.
Response
The Government is monitoring Australia’s progress on its proposal to legislate for plain packaging of tobacco products in 2012, and will consider the possibility on NZ aligning with Australia. ”
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Whatever you think about Hone Harawira – he deserves full credit for the leading role he has played in helping to achieve significant movement in this fight against ‘BIG TOBACCO’.
He has proven to have been extremely effective on this issue, which has such significant health impacts on Maori, through helping to achieve the Maori Affairs Select Committee Inquiry into the Tobacco Industry.
http://www.maoriparty.org/index.php?pag=cms&id=173&p=toa—january-2011.html
“Our very own Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira also stepped up the campaign by initiating a inquiry into Māori related tobacco death by Parliament’s Māori Affairs Select Committee.
We are making significant progress and the momentum must be continued.
The past 12 months have been the most rapid in the history of making policy around tobacco control.
Just over a year ago, the select committee announced it would carry out an inquiry into the tobacco industry and in particular the consequences of tobacco use for Māori.
In March, our co-leader, and Associate Minister of Health, Tariana Turia initiated a public consultation on a proposal to ban tobacco displays in retail outlets. In April results from the 2009 tobacco use survey showed that the current smoking rates for 15-64 year olds had dropped to 21.8%.
In real numbers that’s about 60,000 fewer smokers, in real numbers that is estimated to be more than 10,000 Māori. These are fantastic results which demonstrate that people are starting to recognise the serious harms that come from smoking and saying that it’s just not worth it.
Of course the most critical fact that motivates all of us to be here today is that 45% of Māori aged 15 to 64 years are smokers.
One in two long term smokers will die of smoking related diseases. Those, about 5000 every year, who die lose on average 15 years of life.
None of these statements are new but we offer no apologies in repeating them.
We are still losing generations of our people, dying in middle age.
Even more tragic is the fact that almost half the sudden unexplained deaths of Māori infants are attributed to smoking.
The biggest issue of all, bigger even than the fact that people are smoking, is the root causes for why people smoke.”
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Shouldn’t the New Zealand Government – not tobacco multinational companies decide what’s best for the health of New Zealanders?
If ‘Free Trade’ agreements mean the loss of NZ Government sovereignty to decide such issues – why on earth would we want a bar of them?
Just WHO is benefiting?
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Bugger!
Another ‘riveting’ post to scroll past…
DILLIGAF?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Elaycee (547) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Bugger!
Another ‘riveting’ post to scroll past…
DILLIGAF?
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So why even bother to comment ‘GORMLESS’ one?
yawn……………..
More FACTS and EVIDENCE which confound your ill-considered opinions ‘Elaycee’?
Situation normal.
sigh……………..
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Zzzzzz Penny.
Tell ya what Penny, just drop a link back to your blog instead of pasting your shit all over the place. Keeps the place tidy from nutters. Thanks in advance for your help.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
I really like the RIP function for Firefox.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
To Penny Dim: Get bloody lost!
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Elaycee
There’s got to be a way to make a few bob out of the situation. Back when a scroll wheel was first fitted to the basic mouse no one could have foreseen the phenomenon that is blog blight. Scrolling was just an easy way to get to the bottom of the page quicker….not a way of life.
Do you not think that a souped up version could be developed? Turboed maybe for quick acceleration, power assistance to avoid RSI & fitted with heavy duty ball bearings that would stand up to constant use. With a captive market such as has been created on Kiwiblog the concept could be a nice little earner.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Bollox to BIG government and social engineering.
Vote:Bags of coal featuring drowning Bangladeshis.
Chocolate bars to feature fat bastards.
Fish & chips to show heart surgery.
Cars to have crash pictures on the dash.
…..and don’t mention that other “drug” alcohol!!!!
Get the picture /.Nanny nanny nanny.
June 28th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
kowtow
And does every second TV commercial have to be a public message to: smoke less, drink less, drive sober, enrol to vote, pay your fines, get your breasts screened, stop hitting your family, etc, etc?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
“A couple suffered serious injuries when they were brutally beaten in a home invasion in Tauranga overnight.
The man and woman were asleep in the garage of their McClymont Pl home when they woke to a male attacking them with what police believe may have been a crowbar about 3.12am. The attacker is described as Maori, aged 18 to 25, 1.8m tall.”
gee yet another violent native..what the fucks wrong with these scumbags? Why dont they get a job instead of beating and maiming people.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
starboard
Odds are that the victims were Maori too.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
James Stephenson England has a first five with the ability of Carter, second fives as good as Nomu/SWB, where are they hiding them ?
Vote:No, not in the England under twenty team
June 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Mana Party supporter, maybe?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
“Odds are that the victims were Maori too.”
oh , ok carry on…
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Grumpy- That U20 final was actually a damn fine and closely fought contest. There appeared to be a hell of a lot of potential for the future from both sides…
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
And I’d hold off rubbishing the English rugby team until after the World Cup this year eh? We did this in 2007 and made absolute Pork Chops of ourselves when our team of ‘Rock Stars’ got pummelled out of the tournament and ‘Dad’s Army’ nearly won the bloody final!!
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
@nasska “Do you not think that a souped up version could be developed? Turboed maybe for quick acceleration, power assistance to avoid RSI & fitted with heavy duty ball bearings that would stand up to constant use.”
I like it. Do you think we could incorporate a built-in BS detector – set on auto for whipping past anything posted by preaching lefties, idiots who troll and the unemployed, ‘know-all’ morons?
And we could make a special version for the bludgers – powered by a rubber band. It tightens with each post and is set to break every day at 9am – when the Job Centre opens. Replacement rubber bands are only handed out when they get a job!
We’d have a big market – for sure.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Two points;
If the home-gown English talent was better than the imported journeyman kiwi’s then they would get the starting position, yes?
How much does Government get from tobacco sales – count the direct taxation and then the benefits form smokers dying younger and not being a drain on welfare and superannuation?
How much would be lost if the evil BIG tobacco companies refused to sell their products in New Zealand? We might not like smoking but tell me anyone who doesn’t know and understand the health and social consequences of smoking.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
The man on the BBC said the Greeks are going to stage a two day general strike, included in the list of those laying down their tools for the first time were actors, yes that should do it, no doubt the Greek government will be on it’s knees in no time flat. Another glorious advertisement for socialism and what the sharing and caring state can do for the individual. Perhaps the biggest worry is the statements of the top brass in the army who would rather have a coup then sell their souls to the Euro banking fascists. We live in interesting times.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
While accepting the points ‘Christopher Thomson” made above I’d go one step further. What business is it of the government who smokes, who drinks or who eats crap food. It is a decision made by the participants, who if they are unable to research the effects of their vices on their health & mortality probably should be taken out of the gene pool in any case.
Thankfully Dear Leader has departed these shores so why not get rid of one of her most odious feminist traits & ditch the state sponsored nagging.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
I see the penny v hooper case is being heard at the SC tommorow.
Let’s hop the Court finds in favour of legitimate normal tax planning instead of forcing kiwis to structure their affairs to best pay the IRD.
With our SC however I am not holding my breath.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
ROB MULDOON DIDNT REFUSE A INTERVIEW WITH THE JOURNALIST IAN FRAZER.
Vote:This is a lie, as we all know Ian Frazer is many things, but what he isnt is a “journalist”.
June 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
What happened to redbaiter and his blog?
http://truebluenz.com/
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
A seldom seen interpretation of Exodus 11:4-5
Then Moses confronted Pharaoh: “God’s Message: ‘At midnight I will go through Egypt and every firstborn child in Egypt will die, including the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sits on his throne.
Pharaoh replied ‘Tell your god that we have endured plagues of frogs, snakes, locusts. Our first born are next. So be it, put them to the sword, but leave immediately after and tell him not afflict us with the 11th plague, Blog Blight’ “
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
side show Bob
perhaps it’s one of those rare occasions when coup plotters are on the side of the angels.
Meanwhile, the US gives license to another state to slaughter US citizens:
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/27/obama_admin_warns_of_fines_and
Can anyone tell me why imposing an illegal blockade (note the US spokesperson carefully avoided direct questions on the illegality of the blockade) is not a provocative act, but delivering shiploads of humanitarian aid to one of the most oppressed regions on the planet is “provocative”?
I wanted to join the flotilla but SWMBO forbade it – something to do with a two year old growing up without a father.
Women!
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
So Luc, you fear SWMBO more than you fear the Israeli Military?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
nickb (2,025) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Nick, not known for sure, but with the escalation of his rants it might have been time for a spell in the quite room.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
krazykiwi
Love it! Be cautious although. A couple of exegeses like this & the conservative Christians who haunt this site will have you excommunicated on the spot.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Nasska, I did have another paragraph that basically stated that I wanted to be left alone to make my own decisions and live with the consequences but it got a bit ranty so I deleted it.
The Greeks have a bit of a history of the military running the place so a coup may not be total surprise. I was amused to read elsewhere that communist China was coming to the aid of capitalist Greece. I would suggest that China is more capitalist than most of Europe.
Luc, grow some balls and go do it. Stop using the missus as an excuse. Get out from behind her skirts and do what a real man would!
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Luc
Don’t listen to her! Insure yourself & go do your duty. Certainly it will be hard on the kid but as she grows up she will appreciate that you were destined for martyrdom. Even us, your old pals at Kiwiblog will wipe away a tear or two, then try to carry on as we know you would wish.
It is a far, far better thing that you do, than you have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that you go to, than you have ever known.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
A horrible follower of the “religion of peace” complains: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/27/muslim-woman-sues-abercrombie-fitch-over-hijab/
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
A great mystery!
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
It’s midnight on the Eve of the Election and the drums are pounding out a relentless beat.
The air is thick with cannabis smoke.
Masked naked women are dancing round in a frenzy, shrieking in ecstasy.
The High Priest is lubing up his massive cock with the blood of a slaughtered goat, and grinning at the male virgin lying bound face down over the swiss ball.
Life is good since I joined the Labour Party.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
About time someone had this good idea: http://travel.msn.co.nz/airlines/news/8266298/airline-introduces-first-class-baby-ban
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
‘Elaycee’, ‘nasska’, ‘manolo’ etc –
Have all you great defenders of ‘freedom of expression’ on Kiwiblog joined the witch hunters and book burners yet?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-the-Macsyna-King-Book/140832719326817
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/5202308/Group-opposes-book-by-Kahui-twins-mother
Group opposes book by Kahui twins’ mother
IAN STEWARD AND JONATHAN MARSHALL
Last updated 12:50 28/06/2011
The Kahui twins.
A Facebook group has been set up urging people not to buy a book written in collaboration with the mother of the Kahui twins.
As the inquest into the deaths of three-month-olds Chris and Cru Kahui inches forward at the Auckland District Court, a Facebook site called “Boycott the Macsyna King Book” has been set up in response to the news that the twins’ mother, Macsyna King, is about to release a “tell-all book”, written by journalist Ian Wishart.
Chris Kahui Snr was charged and later acquitted of the boys’ murder in 2008 and King’s involvement has been questioned, including by Kahui’s defence team at the trial.
“Somebody like this should not be allowed to profit from preaching her perverted view of the horrific events which led to the deaths of the only two children who hadn’t already been taken from her by CYF’s,” the Facebook site says.
It is not known who set up the site.
Author and publisher Ian Wishart this afternoon compared the book, due to hit bookshelves at the end of July, to the 1994 Once Were Warriors movie.
Wishart said King will not receive any money for the book, which he expects will sell in the thousands.
Wishart said the book, being published by his Howling at the Moon company, will contain new leads.
“There will be new revelations, it is a powerful book. Everybody who has read it has wept virtually on every page. It puts the whole life and death of the twins in the context,” Wishart said.
The book was raw, he said. “Once Were Warriors was a great book, but this is Once Were Warriors real.”
Wishart said he did not believe King was responsible for the death of her sons.
“I went into this with an open mind… I’ve come away feeling Macsyna has had a hard run, through a lot of fault of her own.
“Certainly she was not the killer of the twins.”
Wishart said it was “hard to say” whether the book would cause police to re-open their case.
“I’ve asked questions that nobody thought to ask Macsyna before so there are new answers.”
He expected some booksellers would refuse to stock the title.
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If you don’t want to read, and/or boycott Ian Wishart’s book – that’s YOUR choice.
However – please do NOT attempt to interfere with others LAWFUL right to ‘freedom of expression’ – to read and think about this matter for ourselves, and form our own opinions.
Surely – if Ian Wishart’s book results in the Police reopening the case and getting a conviction – that would be a GREAT outcome?
Where are all the ACT and Liberterian supporters on this issue?
Time to ‘walk the talk’ in support of ‘freedom of expression’?
Come on!
WHERE ARE YOU?
(Or are you going to just leave this to the ‘Public Watchdogs’?)
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
nasska – I’ve always regarded myself as a conservative Christian
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Rodders
Yes. The Israeli military is easy. If they shoot, you probably die. Simple equation.
Christopher
I actually thought she might have a point.
What do you think?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Penny, the book delves into the depths of scum like her and human misery (actually, Macsyna and her ilk are animals and savages). As far as publishing a book is concerned, I have no problems with Wishart or anyone else doing it. The public will dictate its success or failure.
I hope this evil woman and her whanau do not get one dollar out of it.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Oh, Nasska
Thank you for your support. I will point out your post when she gets home.
Of course, then I will have to own up that I have been timewasting on Kiwiblog again – she banned me when I finally egged DPF into suspending me
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Manolo (4,517) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
…………….
I hope this evil woman and her whanau do not get one dollar out of it.
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“Wishart said King will not receive any money for the book, which he expects will sell in the thousands.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/5202308/Group-opposes-book-by-Kahui-twins-mother
Gosh ‘Manolo’ – learning ‘issue by issue’ politics are you?
“As far as publishing a book is concerned, I have no problems with Wishart or anyone else doing it. The public will dictate its success or failure.”
(See- we agree on this point).
WELL DONE!
(About bloody time…………)
Where are the rest of your ACT / Liberterian mates?
Going to ‘stand up and be counted’?
Or are you too gutless to make a stand on principle in defence of ‘freedom of expression’?
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Where are all the ACT and Liberterian supporters on this issue?
Time to ‘walk the talk’ in support of ‘freedom of expression’?
Come on!
WHERE ARE YOU?
Who knows Penny for I’m none of those people. The only way I’d become a libertarian is if they paid (quite a lot for) ME to be a member, no-one else would ever know and all our meetings would be held at my insistence and their expense at Logan Brown, but sadly they don’t appear to value my membership that much for no-one’s ever asked me. Those big sillies.
Re: IMO this book, why not? Wishart apparently said she’s not profiting, that would be anathema but apparently it’s not happening, so so what?
I don’t have a problem with anyone learning anything they can from this so it is better understood. One thing I know about Wishart is he’s not a fool so I’m thinking there’s probably not going to be a lot of ‘blaming poverty and force majeur for one’s life circumstances’ which is what I’m sure, a great many lefties are hoping to find so it validates their own mental and frankly, poisonous and dangerous views on the real causal factors that become involved in matters like these.
So I’m pretty relaxed, really. You’re not a Libertarian are you Penny? Just if so, would you mind advancing my offer at the next activist meeting and just leave a message back here sometime. Cheers.
P.S. I don’t do things half-way so at least bi-weekly meetings at lunchtime usually is my expectation here…
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
reid (7,686) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
So I’m pretty relaxed, really. You’re not a Libertarian are you Penny? Just if so, advance my offer at the next meeting and just leave a message back here sometime. Cheers.
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No I’m not a Libertarian ‘reid’ – but I’ve got a proven track record in defending ‘freedom of expression’ that would leave most of them for dead.
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
That group of course will be all your PC, bleeding heart, socialist and paid counselor friends Penny.
Never mind the kids and their fate and the arsehole who did this.
Like the Thompson thing it just must be shut down and not talked about in case some poor wee dear with a sensitive disposition gets upset. Well too too bad.
Sunlight is still the best disinfectant. Unfortunately it doesn’t come with scum killer options.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
@nickb – 6:20pm
Perhaps the echo chamber ‘did his head in’?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Jeez Penny, you write some stupid stuff.
If I want to buy a book, I’ll go and buy it. If I don’t want to buy it, I won’t. Simple. But anyone who tries to tell me what I should buy or otherwise, I’ll tell them to get stuffed. I can make my own mind up.
If I want to go to a footy match, I’ll go. If I don’t want to go, I’ll stay away. But if anyone tried to tell me whether I should go or not, I’ll tell them to get stuffed too. I can make my own mind up and no dissident with a loud hailer would stop me.
So, in answer to your question – have I joined the witch hunters and book burners? Errr, no. Why would I want to stop Ian Wishart going about his lawful business and writing a book? His call. If it sells well – his gain. If it doesn’t sell, his loss.
EEEK!
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Long Knives jesus christ England should be doing well, over a 150,000 senior players compared to our 27000.
Nope the team that is a bloody worry is France, you never know which team will turn up on the day,and the buggers travel well as shown by a 2 -0 series win over here.
England, even Portugal has a better average of scoring tries in a test against the ABs
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Viking2 (4,281) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
That group of course will be all your PC, bleeding heart, socialist and paid counselor friends Penny.
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errr….. so you oppose the ‘book boycott’ Viking2?
I have no idea about the ‘group’ to which you are referring.
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
@Penny,
It would seem that the only thing you defend is the [apparent] right of people to waste our Courts’ time (also helping to perpetuate a backlog of cases waiting to be heard.)
So what you (and your friends) really do Penny, is conspire to prevent other people accessing justice.
Publicparasite is more like it…
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Elaycee (550) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Jeez Penny, you write some stupid stuff.
If I want to buy a book, I’ll go and buy it. If I don’t want to buy it, I won’t. Simple. But anyone who tries to tell me what I should buy or otherwise, I’ll tell them to get stuffed. I can make my own mind up.
If I want to go to a footy match, I’ll go. If I don’t want to go, I’ll stay away. But if anyone tried to tell me whether I should go or not, I’ll tell them to get stuffed too. I can make my own mind up and no dissident with a loud hailer would stop me.
So, in answer to your question – have I joined the witch hunters and book burners? Errr, no. Why would I want to stop Ian Wishart going about his lawful business and writing a book? His call. If it sells well – his gain. If it doesn’t sell, his loss.
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errr… you’re the one who writes some stupid stuff ‘Elaycee’.
We actually agree on this issue?
I’m defending freedom of expression – something that you don’t usually when it comes to my postings on Kiwiblog.
So you’re actually bothering to read my posts now are you ‘Elaycee’?
WELL DONE!
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Woof woof
Vote:get in behind and lie down you mongrel
June 28th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
bhudson (1,234) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
@Penny,
It would seem that the only thing you defend is the [apparent] right of people to waste our Courts’ time (also helping to perpetuate a backlog of cases waiting to be heard.)
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Try removing your head from your bottom ‘bhudson’ – it may widen your perspective and allow you to keep up to date?
Meant of course in a respectful. caring way………
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Penny, thanks for your reply and can I make a suggestion: take a lesson from everyone else here and recognise online real-estate, that portion of the thread we see on our average screens is very valuable and use what everyone else uses here and that is respect for the rest of us, by dropping the branding and only quote portions of posts you’re replying to.
Drop your sig line for example, it adds nothing, we all read your name. Also stop quoting every single word of the post you’re replying to. Also stop using horizontal lines and use the italic or blockquote tags like the rest of us.
No-one who is a prospect for your protest organisation ever inhabits this blog, trust me and if they do, they already know you.
So all your carefully designed formatting which I imagine took just ages to put together, actually here, achieves nothing, so please, just drop it, as a favour to us.
Join in, all the time, as we do, but just have enough respect for all of us, to do what WE do to each other, while we’re here, just like all the rest of us.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Penny – don’t get excited.
Your posts are often crap. This particular one, however, is reasonable and I’ve responded accordingly.
But a suggestion – perhaps next time you could keep it BRIEF!
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Steve (1,557) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Woof woof
get in behind and lie down you mongrel
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Don’t be mean to ‘bhudson’.
Eventually he may ‘get it’ .
I live in hope.
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
@Penny,
“Try removing your head from your bottom ‘bhudson’ – it may widen your perspective and allow you to keep up to date?”
The country will applaud when you are designated a “vexatious litigant”. You suck our justice system resources dry while other, more deserving, cases are kept waiting so that you can try to feed the blight that is your ego.
By the way – for your edification – surely to remain “up to date”, my head would have to remain where you claim it to be…
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Penny pinhead your posts are so stimula…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Elaycee (551) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Penny – don’t get excited.
Your posts are often crap. This particular one, however is reasonable and I’ve responded accordingly.
But a suggestion – perhaps next time you could KEEP IT BRIEF!
:80
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errr…… how do you know if my posts are ‘crap’ unless you actually read them ‘Elaycee’?
If you do read them – why do you pretend that you don’t – that you just scroll past them?
Please be a little more honest and consistent ‘Elaycee’?
(Meant of course in a caring and not excited way
:80
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Steve (1,557) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Woof woof
get in behind and lie down you mongrel
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Don’t be mean to ‘bhudson’.
Eventually he may ‘get it’ .
I live in hope.
…
Vote:Please go home, Hope is in Alaska
June 28th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
bhudson (1,235) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
@Penny,
“Try removing your head from your bottom ‘bhudson’ – it may widen your perspective and allow you to keep up to date?”
The country will applaud when you are designated a “vexatious litigant”. You suck our justice system resources dry while other, more deserving, cases are kept waiting so that you can try to feed the blight that is your ego.
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errr…. small technical point ‘bhudson’?
How can I be a “vexatious litigant” – when I’M usually the one who gets taken to Court – because of arguably ‘vexatious’ prosecuting?
PS: Do YOU support the Ian Wishart ‘book boycotters’?
Simple question?
Yes or no?
(You shouldn’t have to remove your head from your bottom for too long to answer that question?
or……….. maybe not……………
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
starboard (2,080) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Penny pinhead your posts are so stimula…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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So – you support the Ian Wishart book boycotters ‘Starboard’?
Yes or no?
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
yes.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
@Penny,
“How can I be a “vexatious litigant” – when I’M usually the one who gets taken to Court – because of arguably ‘vexatious’ prosecuting?”
Your endless appeals to any and every possible court in the land…(Particularly as you and your buddy Vince claim bias at the drop of a hat. )
“Simple question…Yes or no?”
I support peoples’ rights to buy the book or not at their own choice.
(Unlike you Penny, I answer the questions asked.)
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
C’mon Penny – you’ve taken one step forward, so don’t bugger it up…
You posted to ‘elaycee’ ‘nasska’ and ‘manolo’ so I read it. And I responded on behalf of ‘elaycee’. OK?
Now, promise me you’ll buck up.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
starboard (2,081) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
yes.
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So you don’t support ‘freedom of expression’ Starboard.
Thanks for letting us know.
(How SAD is THAT?
So you’re obviously not an ACT member or Liberterian?
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
How is Wishart to know how many people boycotted buying a book if they don’t buy it?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Refusing to buy a book written by Ian Wishart is not an abuse of freedom of expression; it is a matter of good taste and probably a sign of intelligence.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
@Penny,
So how many people have you denied justice to today Penny as you and your friends clog up the system with unnecessary and unwarranted appeals?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Elaycee (552) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
C’mon Penny – you’ve taken one step forward, so don’t bugger it up…
You posted to ‘elaycee’ ‘nasska’ and ‘manolo’ so I read it. And I responded on behalf of ‘elaycee’. OK?
Now, promise me you’ll buck up.
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errr…’Elaycee’ – you must have forgotten your earlier post :
Elaycee (551) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Penny – don’t get excited.
Your posts are often crap. This particular one, however is reasonable and I’ve responded accordingly.
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Again – how do you know if my posts are ‘crap’ unless you actually read them ‘Elaycee’?
If you do read them – why do you pretend that you don’t – that you just scroll past them?
Now come on dear – buck up – or ……………
Nice that you’re being civil for a change ‘Elaycee’.
Cheers.
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Penny you realise you may be the first victim of a spontaneous blog uprising in which we all band together and demand of our erstwhile host he immediately terminate your relationship with us, lest we all leave and then what happens to Kiwiblog?
I’m not sure if you understand how very imminent is this possibility and you know why?
Because you insist on dominating the precious real estate by garish formats that detract from what we do here, which is look straight through the interface and read the words to ourselves. This Penny is how people read online and in paper and also understand GUI systems.
One of the strings in my bow Penny is I’m not bad at the science and practice of human computer interaction. I know what colour combos are the most emotive and the most readable. I know how to make a GUI memorable and interesting and easy and I know how to present online words as well.
All I’m asking Penny and I’ve lost my humour on this, it’s not funny anymore, is for some simple human politeness. Some simple consideration and since you’re a lefty, I just know you fucking well understand precisely what I mean.
So no cute “oh what do you mean reid?’s,” please. Just none of those.
And no cute, “I don’t understand what you’re getting at reid. I don’t really know what formatting you’re talking about.”s, please.
Just fucking do it Penny. You know what. Just don’t fuck us around. What pray tell is your point in doing this anyway? Will you answer that? I hope so, but then I’m a really optimistic bastard sometimes, and then I normally cry cause I’m disappointed, which makes me angry cause I don’t want to show my feelings…
Refusing to buy a book written by Ian Wishart is not an abuse of freedom of expression; it is a matter of good taste and probably a sign of intelligence.
mm I woulda thought AirCon would float your boat but maybe I was wrong???
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
“England, even Portugal has a better average of scoring tries in a test against the ABs”
Do you think the Six Nations Champions really give a toss? Considering they were 2003 World Champs and runners-up in 2007?
Vote:Between World Championships NZ’s ‘rock stars’ can play all the swish,marketable ‘Candy Floss’ rugby they want and look pretty as hell on underwear billboards- but alas at World Cup time when England,France and South Africa fire it up and bring their ‘A’ squads this means diddly squat.
I’d love to see the World Cup drought broken but until we lose our perennial arrogance (as shown in your rubbishing of England) and the seemingly installed belief that we are ‘owed’ the World Cup I simply can’t see it happening…
June 28th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
reid
i think the only effective way of dealing with Penny might be just to ignore her posts completely.
Your kind suggestions for her earlier are going to be ignored.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
I know, I know, it’s not a sports blog but it beats the hell out of debating obscure topics with Penny….
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
bhudson (1,237) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
@Penny,
So how many people have you denied justice to today Penny as you and your friends clog up the system with unnecessary and unwarranted appeals?
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errr…… I have NO idea to which ‘unnecessary’ and ‘unwarranted’ appeals you are referring that I have allegedly made?
Perhaps you would like to back up your drivel, ‘bhudson’ with some actual Court case reference numbers?
ie: PUT UP or SHUT UP?
Meant of course in a caring way
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
..f*** off Penny !
Meant of course in a caring way
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Reid
you may. be ….. not bad at the science and practice of human computer interaction, but I have some experience dealing with insane people, real rubber room insane people,
Rule the first. Never try and debate anything with them, why? because they are insane and by definition you can’t debate anything with them because ……
generally Rule the second applies
The best thing to do is hold them down so a doctor can pump them full of drugs and they can be carted off for treatment.
because if you ignore Rule the first Rule the second will be applied to you.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
i think the only effective way of dealing with Penny might be just to ignore her posts completely.
Yes I’ve tried that mm but she doesn’t seem to go away, this is the problem.
I think her issue is she hasn’t realised she has a role here not as a WaterPressure representative/main driver but as a mere commenter equal to all, a bit like the Roman Senate. But she’s not really acting like a Senator, instead she’s acting like Hone and Trevor would if they’d had a child together and called her Hulun.
It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key and that is
Russian national interestPenny is Hulun.The best thing to do is hold them down so a doctor can pump them full of drugs and they can be carted off for treatment.
Paul thanks for that helpful advice, which I take on board. Personally I quite like being held down while a doctor pumps me full of drugs. I wonder how I can organise that…
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
@Penny,
Nookin’, alex and others have quoted them near ad infinitum on this blog Penny. You and Vince get your butts handed to you on a plate every time you try to appeal (which, it would seem, always include accusations of bias by judges.)
You know the cases and hearings you and your friends have had. Each one wastes precious resources and denies justice to other, deserving, people.
You leech justice from ordinary people Penny – you deny them access to justice through clogging up the system and wasting time. Do you take great delight at the suffering you inflict on those people Penny as they wait and wait for their cases to be heard?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
reid (7,688) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Penny you realise you may be the first victim of a spontaneous blog uprising in which we all band together and demand of our erstwhile host he immediately terminate your relationship with us, lest we all leave and then what happens to Kiwiblog?
I’m not sure if you understand how very imminent is this possibility and you know why?
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Oh dear – you can’t handle the debate ‘reid’ so you want to ‘gang up’ and try and get me removed from Kiwiblog?
Don’t just talk about it ‘reid’ – FILL YOUR BOOTS and DO IT.
What sort of crap is that?
So – you don’t believe in ‘freedom of expression’ either ‘reid’.
Unfortunately for you – David Farrar DOES.
(Would probably improve the quality of posts to Kiwiblog if you ‘boycotted’ and I didn’t.)
I didn’t realise you were such a bullying wanker ‘reid’.
So be it.
Penny Bright
Vote:waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Oh shit…. she’s reverted to type.
Here we go again.
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Luc, if you wish to change your mind and sign up for the flotilla I have a spare life jacket, if everything goes right it should get a good workout.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
mikenmild (674) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
reid
i think the only effective way of dealing with Penny might be just to ignore her posts completely.
Your kind suggestions for her earlier are going to be ignored.
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So – you don’t believe in freedom of expression either ‘mikenmild’?
You don’t think the attempt to limit the distribution of Ian Wishart’s book on the Kahui twins murder is important?
Why would you want to ignore such an issue?
Or – you just can’t handle someone who can defend themself or their opinions – so you just want to try and shut me up or shut me down?
Keep going………………..
Penny Bright
Vote:waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
bhudson (1,238) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
@Penny,
Nookin’, alex and others have quoted them near ad infinitum on this blog Penny. You and Vince get your butts handed to you on a plate every time you try to appeal (which, it would seem, always include accusations of bias by judges.)
You know the cases and hearings you and your friends have had. Each one wastes precious resources and denies justice to other, deserving, people.
You leech justice from ordinary people Penny – you deny them access to justice through clogging up the system and wasting time. Do you take great delight at the suffering you inflict on those people Penny as they wait and wait for their cases to be heard?
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PUT UP or SHUT UP ‘bhudson ‘?
NAME the court cases to which you are referring that I have initiated which ‘waste(s) precious resources and denies justice to other, deserving, people.’
FACTS – not DRIVEL ‘bhudson ‘.
For a change………….
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Penny, Penny, Penny
I’m all for your freedom of expression. As reid has pointed out, whether you are ignored or not will have no effect. You are free to display your foolishness.
No one is limiting the distribution of Wishart’s book. Some people are suggesting that it’s not worth buying or reading. I don’t care if anyone reads it. Ms King has had ample opportunities to tell her story and I doubt she has anything else much to say that I’d choose to hear.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
@Penny,
Do you, Vince and friends celebrate the misery you cause others by having their cases delayed in the system? Do you delight in dancing on the grave of their justice?
What have those people done to you all Penny that they should have to suffer the loss of their rights? How have they wronged you so badly? Why do you persecute them so?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Re Wishart, Book, King and the claim that she isn’t profiting from the sale of the book, it doesn’t mean she hasn’t already been paid a fee or “expenses”. Just sayin’.
Interestingly the FB page has close to 11,000 followers, a NZ record I imagine.
Sure, many of the posters are rabid, lynch mob types but there are many relevant comments too. The disgust at Wishart’s timing of release of the book while the inquest is happening is real, that’s pretty tacky marketing.
Also his claim on TVONE that the FB site is similar to book burning and that a boycott is somehow preventing “information” from getting out there is bollocks. He could have got the “information” out there without trying to make a dollar out of it. If he had then he would have had 11,000 “friends” instead of the lynch mob!
Wishart making himself out to be the last bastion of freedom of speech isn’t going over too well – bloody peasants, revolting indeed……
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Reid at 8.16 p.m.
Vote:The best post on this blog, this week.
Reid, I hope you have a happy day. Intelligent contributors like you deserve one.
June 28th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
kaya
Good points. Wishart enjoys pretending to be the victim. He’ll be teaming up with Penny and Vince to write an exposé of the justice system next.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
Oh dear – you can’t handle the debate ‘reid’ so you want to ‘gang up’ and try and get me removed from Kiwiblog?
Yes.
Don’t just talk about it ‘reid’ – FILL YOUR BOOTS and DO IT.
I am.
What sort of crap is that?
I don’t know…
So – you don’t believe in ‘freedom of expression’ either ‘reid’.
Not for you in terms of how you present your words Penny. Whatever you say, is yours to own. But it’s the presentation of the words that has to change. Period.
Not the content, the presentation.
Unfortunately for you – David Farrar DOES.
Well, we don’t know that since this is the first time this
hasmay ever have happened in the long,lamentableglorious history of Kiwibloggingdom, isn’t it. So there.I didn’t realise you were such a bullying wanker ‘reid’.
Well I trust you now stand corrected, Penny. I mean crikey, isn’t everyone?
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Reid – what Tauhei Notts said @ 8.58 pm
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
reid, while not actually boycotting KB I certainly don’t visit/comment nearly as much as I used to largely because DPF doesn’t seem to care about us. He could stop this crap at any time simply by imposing a limit on comment length. Or by banning the nutcase (and here I agree completely with Pauleastbay).
Vote:But I have found I don’t care that much. It’s as easy as ignoring philu. You know the golden rule, don’t
stick your dick inmake eye contact with crazy.June 28th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Right, I’m off to kill big robots and zombies in a gory, blood-fest on Xbox. It’s a very interesting game (for you gamers out there, you know who you are) which is obviously based on Ayn Rand’s philosophy. I know, there weren’t any zombies or robots in her books but if you know the game you’ll know what I mean!!
One of the central characters is called “Atlas” and another is “Andrew Ryan” (Not quite an anagram.)
It’s called Bioshock and is very good, beautiful graphics, atmospheric sound. All Art deco and gorgeous.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
For those who support ‘freedom of expression’ – and the concept of seeking ‘truth from facts’ – here is Ian Wishart’s facebook page.
For those who have the guts to make a stand on principle and are prepared to ‘swim against the tide’ – here is your opportunity to make your opinions known.
(It will be interesting to see how many ‘Kiwibloggers’ step up to the plate).
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Break-the-Kahui-code-of-silence-support-the-new-book/184638478257810
Good news for those of you who can’t handle robust debate – particularly YOU ‘reid’.
Off to have some tea now …….
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
June 28th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Thanks Penny.
Thanks Kaya and Tauhei.
Bioshock is great.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Bright v Police CRI 2007 404 000301
Vote:Bright v ACC CIV 2008 404 8468 (20/2/08)
Bright V ACC CIV 2008 404 8468 ((3/3/08)
Bright v ACC CIV 2008 404 8468 (2/4/09)
Police v Bright (Hubble DCJ)
Bright v Police CA 796/2008
Bright v Police SC 51/2009
Bright v Key CRI 2009 404 11
June 28th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Reid (@ 8.16pm) rocks.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
12 people like your FB link Penny; over 13,000 like Boycott the Macsyna King Book. It’s all a bit reminiscent of the Botany by-election figures…
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Reid, Elaycee, et al
Why not simply add Penny to your RIP list?
Works a treat.
No more Penny, no more Philu.
Saves a lot of energy and aggravation.
That is all.
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Luc, sorry it took a while to get back and with the others reminding Penny that she is a legend in her own mind I didn’t have much reason to intrude.
Anyway, yes you should go. Unless you actually attempt to kill an IDF soldier you will be as safe as houses. Get on a boat that doesn’t have those that plan to be martyrs aboard and you will come through fine. It will give you much more credibility when you come back. It will also be one heck of an adventure. Remember there is already a kiwi who is going again. it will even give you a bit of tele time. You may only get this one chance. Remember “there comes a time in the affairs of men, that, if taken at the flood…….”
Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Reid (@ 8.16pm) rocks.
Thank you Nookin. Crikey. What a special, special night.
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Vote:June 28th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
HI!
Another ‘riveting’ stream of shite from Penny…
WTF?
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So why even bother to discuss the ‘GORMLESS’ one?
yawn……………..
More passive aggressive PROSE and FORMAT promulgating ill-considered lefty pissing ‘Penny’?
Situation normal.
sigh……………..
Me
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June 28th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Penny…go back to inspecting welds and leave us alone.
You seem to revel in the abuse that is piled upon you as if you have some weird self flagellating kink in your personality.
Get some help…meant in the nicest possible way.
Vote:June 29th, 2011 at 7:27 am
There is something quite scary about the dishonest hypocrasy of some people who assert rights of freedom of expression. Take the Kahui book for expression. Penny asserts the right to freedom of expression. King has the right to write the book, absolutely. There will be those looking forward to the naming of names and that it quite understandable.
On the other hand, there are those who, as a matter of principle, take the view that Ms King’s right to write a book, on her own terms and depicting herself in her own perceived light, is subvervient to her obligation to tell the story to the police, the court and the coroner. These people take the view that the poor old taxpayer has spent megabucks to find out why two innocent babies were brutalised and killed and so, maybe, they should not have to pay any more to learn a truth that should have been public before now.
So, tell me Penny, why the people in the second category are gutless because that make a stand on principle and say that they will not buy the book? Is that not freedom of expression or do they only have those rights to express views that you find acceptable? Just like court orders are valid and to be obeyed if you find them acceptable? Isn’t there something very dictatorial, autocratic and undemocratic inherent in your philosophy.
You see, when it comes down to the bottom line, when you look at your underlying principles and the sheer intolerance of those with whom you disagree and the abuse you heap on them, you are a thuggish hypocrite. That is why you raise the ire of most people on this blog. You raise some good topics but will only debate them on your own terms. Your resitance to dissent suggest that you are only here for your own self-aggrandizement. I have said this before. Why not take a hint. Play the game or, if you want to do it by your rules, do it on your own blog.
Vote:June 29th, 2011 at 7:28 am
So much for the Messiah’s “Hope and Change”: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-pushing-behind-scenes-to-win-over-big-dollar-donors/2011/06/24/AGO5NGoH_print.html
Vote:June 29th, 2011 at 7:33 am
Well, the big change last time was Obama’s impressive fund raising.
Vote:June 29th, 2011 at 7:34 am
Well said, Nookin.
Vote:June 29th, 2011 at 7:35 am
Oh, these poor and peaceful followers are so sensitive:
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June 29th, 2011 at 7:39 am
Typo. strike “for expression”. Subsitute “for example”.
Vote:June 29th, 2011 at 7:40 am
‘By the beard of the Prophet!’
Vote:June 29th, 2011 at 7:51 am
And Paedophile in Chief!
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