Kids Rugby

June 4th, 2011 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

James Ihaka at the NZ Herald reports:

The Union has stopped kids winning their matches by more than 35 points, saying it makes the game more enjoyable.

But one coach describes the changes as “ gone mad” and says he and other coaches will lobby for the new rule to be dropped.

Under the NZRU’s Small Blacks development programme for children aged 13 and under, coaches from opposing sides can meet at halftime if one side has put on 35 or more points against the other to agree on how they can “generate a more-even contest”.

A score of 100-nil is now posted as 35-nil – the maximum points differential allowed.

If a side wins 90 to 5, the score is recorded as 40 to 5.

Oh please tell me you are kidding. A friend on Twitter said she was going to read 1984 for the first time – there should be a chapter on faking the rugby score.

I reckon kids will feel worse knowing that they lost by so much, that the score had to be faked. And as if they won’t keep track themselves.

On this issue, I agree with Trevor Mallard.

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75 Responses to “Kids Rugby”

  1. dog_eat_dog (761 comments) says:

    13 is too old for this crap. That’s only one – two years from being eligible for Schoolboys, which is serious international level competition. If you lose by 100 points there, you lose by 100 points.

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  2. TripeWryter (715 comments) says:

    My grandnephew, aged 6, has just come back from his Saturday morning game of soccer.

    ‘We thrashed ‘em, Uncle Tripe. 10-nil. We could have made it 15-0 but we ran out of time.’

    My point is, the kids know what’s what and are already competitive.

    In trying to impose ‘fairness’ the rugby administrators are sending a wrong message. Sometimes a jolly good thrashing can be good for a team.

    My son’s team found a strength of character and a will to win after they’d got a 80-nil hiding from a team filled with sun-ripened Samoan 12 year-olds who were almost a stone heavier.

    In the UK and Canada this kind of ‘imposed’ fairness got laughed at. It should be laughed at here, too.

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  3. ben (2,414 comments) says:

    New Zealand in a nutshell.

    Tell the socialists that outside the bureaucracy, where you actually have to convince people to part with their money and can’t expect it to be given to you under threat of imprisonment, that coming second (aka losing) is real and it matters. The sting of losing is what drives improvement, either by encouraging practice, or by encouraging your exit and shift into other activities. Losing is what defines winning – you eliminate one and you eliminate the other.

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  4. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The tree-huggers and soft-cocks rule New Zealand, and the world, these days. Or so it seems.

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  5. burt (8,025 comments) says:

    This is not actually a new development as such. There has been a rule for ages in junior rugby that if one team was more than 40 points up at half time the teams had to be shuffled to produce a more even game. Socialists…. chopping down the tall poppies is their speciality… we are all the same you know and it’s better when we are all mediocre…..

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  6. redkea (14 comments) says:

    If this was the a professional sports team versus little kids we wouldn’t have this debate. The reality is some teams are coached well, have excellent players, and a ethic towards winning and success. This should be encouraged and be the primary objective to be reinforced in sport for children. It ensures success in other aspects of life.

    However, if the teams are mismatched, in that one team annihilates the other by an embarrassing amount, it simply means the game shouldn’t have happened to begin with. Neither team learns anything new, neither teams improves their skill, it doesn’t improve teamwork. It only proves a lack of sportsmanship is being taught – in that the losing team should gracefully concede defeat and the winning team should offer to help improve their fellow sportsman skills.

    It is sporting to respect the other side, whether you win or lose.

    However

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  7. burt (8,025 comments) says:

    redkea

    Well said, a good coach will make sure that when their team is thumping another team they still show respect for the other players. I saw a good water polo coach bench a few players in a mismatched game, not for scoring lots of points but for taking the piss while doing so. The game still had a massive margin but the players that were taking the piss and headering the ball into the net never made it back into the pool that game.

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  8. decanker (222 comments) says:

    Is the NZRU running out of ideas for reviving their flagging sport?

    I agree with redkea though, nothing is learned from an absolute thrashing apart from the league has probably been poorly graded. Not that I’m supporting score caps, that’s pretty mad. If its 40-0 at half time in junior rugby they could just declare a win and mix the teams up for some fun in the second half.

    Meanwhile, I’m off to play footie, soundly beaten in every game, we’re in the wrong grade, and unfit.

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  9. TEO (33 comments) says:

    “Failure” is not permitted in NZ. Unfortunately, neither is “success”.

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  10. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Staggeringly retarded.

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  11. noskire (835 comments) says:

    Of course the natural progession for this school of thought is that actually there should be no “winners”, and it’s the partcipation that is important. So how long until every game is declared a draw…

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  12. burt (8,025 comments) says:

    Perhaps we could introduce similar rules for the Rugby world cup. Hey if we are going to train our kids that sport is about producing more equal outcomes by holding back the strong and giving help to the weak then lets show that example right from the top.

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  13. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Actually a good hiding is sometimes the best medicine. Just come back from watching rugby. One son plays for the under 13s. They have being playing very well so far this year and were starting to get a bit cocky. Today they got a good arse kicking, 57 to 26 by last years winning team. Not saying much at the moment. Winning all the time isn’t a good thing and sometimes we need reminding what it’s like to be on the losing side. The same team they played today won 90 to 5 last year so some lessons have been learned. If a team is getting a hiding week after week would it not be a better idea to go to a lower division or if that’s not possible have some sort of handicap points similar to a golf handicap but implement it in the second half of the season. Say if one team is on a 20 handicap the other team must sore at least 20 points before they count.

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  14. PaulL (5,983 comments) says:

    It’s a mix. The score should be the score, fudging it is stupid. But decanker has the right idea. If nobody is having fun or learning, at half time, declare the winner and loser, and mix it up. The weaker team will learn more from mixing up teams with a better team than they do from getting soundly thrashed. And the weaker players on the stronger team will get a chance to play positions they don’t normally, or be put under pressure to lift their game when all the stars aren’t in their team any more. Good for everyone.

    It is true that you play sport to have fun. Professional sport is different – that’s a business. If you don’t have fun playing sport, you stop playing. We need more kids playing sport, and we need them playing it later in life to stop them getting fat and useless. Flogging them in every game isn’t going to encourage that.

    In short – this isn’t a bad idea, it might be poorly implemented and poorly reported upon.

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  15. noskire (835 comments) says:

    Careful side show bob, you used the word handicap. You’re going to offend some people.

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  16. Dazzaman (1,132 comments) says:

    Reaching back into the mists of time,….I recall being beaten by veritable cricket scores as both a kid & an adult (in a first class match too, ouch!). It was more mentally scarring as an adult as I was soothed pretty quickly as a kid when the sausage rolls & sav’s came out!

    PaulL & decanker have it right, in fact I believe they do do this in some unions in the little kids grades. By the time your 10, 11, 12 though, winning starts to take on a greater significance so an agreement to call time when it gets hopelessly one sided is a good call…..don’t change the score though.

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  17. Dazzaman (1,132 comments) says:

    Haha, Manolo.

    The soft cocks do indeed rule,….the greens are just loud!

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  18. Ryan Sproull (7,060 comments) says:

    Gosh, sounds like some people are gonna cry if the PC Brigade are allowed to win by more than 35 points.

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  19. burt (8,025 comments) says:

    The end of season results for all junior rugby have just been published. All teams came first equal and no further games need now be played which will make sure none of the precious little players get any further injuries. (Oh and to make sure that nobody needs to hear the horrible horrible sound of a supporters cheering a winning team)

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  20. V (694 comments) says:

    The labour party post ‘denying the truth’ is a tad ironic, it may as well be their campaign slogan.

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  21. Nick K (1,133 comments) says:

    If anyone wants to know why someone should lose, and lose badly, then all they have to do is read Hamish Carter’s book. He is explicit: If he hadn’t had been smacked in Sydney he would never have won Gold in Athens.

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  22. Ruth (178 comments) says:

    If this is indeed true (I didn’t believe it when I first read it) then we will not win the Rugby World Cup. Not with this attitude coming from the Rugby Union. As someone said above, the score is the score. It is what it is.

    I might put a bet on Australia.

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  23. dog_eat_dog (761 comments) says:

    This completely undermines my child betting syndicate and the fantasy leagues that I’d licensed GOD DAMNIT

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  24. gravedodger (1,528 comments) says:

    PATHETIC in lace panties

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  25. wf (400 comments) says:

    Goodness! When my son and his 8 year-old soccer team mates were asked to think about letting the other team get just one goal they rose up in boyish shrieks of protest. And rightly so.
    They moved up a grade, and got thoroughly beaten the next season, and some of the ‘dud’ kids from the year before were in the winning teams. And so it went for some seasons.
    Win some years, lose some years.

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  26. noskire (835 comments) says:

    @Nick K, yup, and this is yet another example of NZ’s “tall poppy syndrome”. But I am perplexed as to why Trevor Mallard made that post. Is it not the entire purpose of the Marxist/Labour party movement to promote non-achievement and celebrate being average?

    @Ruth, I would say Australia would be a good bet for the RWC trophy.

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  27. Shunda barunda (2,966 comments) says:

    The tree-huggers and soft-cocks rule New Zealand, and the world, these days. Or so it seems.

    Maybe so, but please don’t blame the trees!

    I am a non Marxist tree hugger, because I think trees are awesome (and they are) but I also have no problem cracking wood! :)

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  28. K.Reed (18 comments) says:

    I would like to see this sporting score theory applied to the counting of election votes:

    If one of the two dominant parties appears to have lost, they can get together after the game with other losers and retrospectively change the score in their collective favour. Then they have a “fun” parliament at the taxpayers expense. They could call this system, a Coalition Government.

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  29. Shunda barunda (2,966 comments) says:

    My kids play league for this reason!!

    But even NZRL have tried to do this sort of crap. I was told that the under 13′s weren’t supposed to record points or hold a ‘proper’ competition with semi finals or a grand final etc. West Coast RL said stuff that, and so far this season points have been recorded in a formal competition.
    I am not sure if other provinces have done the same or not.

    And so far this year both my boys teams have done woefully, why? because of a lack of commitment from some players and sub par coaching. So what do we do? we accept that we have to do better and begin to try harder, we identify individuals that need help and perhaps individuals that should reassess whether they want to take team sport seriously.

    Under the NZRU model, I fail to see how necessary changes to improve performance would be possible.

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  30. jims_whare (399 comments) says:

    Hmm why not go the whole hog and at half time give the losing team a choice of a handicap of 40 points or make two of the winning team play for the losing team 17 on 13 – weird nutters that came up with this – obviously the rugby union don’t want to win the World cup ever again.

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  31. nasska (10,908 comments) says:

    I reckon that a lot of the problem stems from most men now having to work weekends making them unavailable to coach & support sports teams. More often we see women involved in lower grade coaching & the introduction of girls teams into junior soccer & rugby.

    Hence we are seeing the results of the fair sex’s sense of fairness, hatred of risk & the mantra of participating rather than winning wrecking sport the same way as they have wrecked education.

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  32. Mark (497 comments) says:

    Next it will be both teams won. Who are the retards runnings this and why are there names not being put across all media for this stupid idea.

    They should be publically shunned as the losers they are and always will be.

    Lets face it, we are all excited about Whale V Duck’s bike race. They winner will be cheered and the loser will be booed until I am I can no longer yell.

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  33. Sublime (62 comments) says:

    I don’t use the word often, but I am absolutely disgusted at this motion.

    My schoolboy rugby days were not so long ago. If my team received a thrashing on the field, and on the scorecard, we could bet there would be a hard, rigorous week ahead in training in which our coach would ensure we worked on the areas that let us down and improved our game as much as possible.

    Watering down the bitter and crucial lesson of defeat is an insult to our next generation of rugby players. Doctoring scores is not real rugby at all – it’s an artificial, PC-infested farce. Heavy losses hurt morale. Nothing raises it higher again than the feeling of a much deserved victory.

    Just watch the downfall of rugby in New Zealand from here on if this gains more traction.

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  34. gopolks (102 comments) says:

    Dumb rule, in saying that, it seems to be good form , if your coaching a kids team, you dont really run up
    the score and you maybe bench your good players during the game.

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  35. reid (16,110 comments) says:

    This is the same diseased poisonous thinking as this is.

    When the fuck is society going to get to the mature point where we recognise, despite trying to deny it, there are, in fact, genetic differences in men and women which express themselves through natural, human behaviour.

    When the fuck are these mental idiots scattered now throughout all walks of life but seem in particular to inhabit tertiary institutions so they can influence young minds for some reason, going to stop poisoning us get it through their thick skulls that the mind can’t overcome its own genetic programming.

    A boy is competitive because hunters have to be.

    A girl is nurturing and is an exceptionally good communicator because people who pass on the culture of the people, have to be.

    But purveyors of P.C. psychobabble bullshit to use Meurant’s memorable phrase, deny these genetics. Apparently, it’s unjust and wrong if women aren’t aggressive hunters like men are. Apparently, that’s oppression. Similarly, it’s wrong for men to behave as aggressive hunters. That’s really wrong too. Instead, men need to be kind, sensitive, delicate things, nurturing and non-competitive in every way because competition is weally weally aggwessive and no-one wants to be a gweat big meanie, do they? Well, do they? [Fold arms and stamp foot and pout.]

    This is what, apparently, the world should be like and then we’ll be in paradise and lions will lie peacefully amongst the antelope in the grassy meadows.

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  36. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Pathetic! Soon we will take things one step further and ban all ‘competition’ between our children- Sliding even further into a Nation of tree-hugging PC wowsers…

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  37. david@tokyo (263 comments) says:

    Gee it isn’t April 1 either… WTF
    NZ thrashed Japan in the ’95 world cup by something like 145 to 19. It happens. It’s a sport. Losing big time? Train harder for your next match!
    Whoever came up with this idea must have suffered one too many high tackles.

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  38. Steve (4,522 comments) says:

    Agree with reid @ 5.15
    ‘When the fuck are these mental idiots scattered now throughout all walks of life but seem in particular to inhabit tertiary institutions so they can influence young minds for some reason, going to stop poisoning us get it through their thick skulls that the mind can’t overcome its own genetic programming.’

    There are people who disagree with that. Canadians who will not disclose gender to their child. How long before the Kathy Wittericks and David Stockers of this world start to influence sport?
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110524/ts_yblog_thelookout/parents-keep-childs-gender-under-wraps

    Why is competition being taken from us by the sooks?

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  39. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    reid,

    If the means to hunting success change, hunters either adapt or lose to those who do adapt.

    The rugby union has less young people playing the sport, they either only cater to those good at the sport and become an amateur preparation to those genetically blessed with the potential for professional combat.

    It’s their job to act in the interests of the game – the more people who continue to play the more people who will grow up to support clubs, provinces and the franchises.

    Without amateur supporters (those growing up playing the game rather than football etc) the hunters have no professional base to the local game and have to go offshore. Without national success via local successful hunters the game loses it’s standing (and it’s sponsors).

    There is a case in mis-matches – to revert to a pick up friendly at half-time.

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  40. Ed Snack (1,797 comments) says:

    Well, strike me purple with a clue stick, but what a load of wankers complaining.

    Next you’ll all be getting upset that full on maiming and serious injuries are discouraged. Kids gotta learn, and a a few crushed testicles, ripped off ears, a fist in the face at a ruck, it’s all a learning situation. Too easy on kids these day, when I was young we used to win by 450 to nil, and it was good for them.

    In football it’s been the local rule anyway for junior grades that once a team was 7 goals up, that was the final score, and teams were encouraged after that was reached (or usually after the 8th, in case there’s a bit of a come back) to mix it up a bit. Sometimes the losing team puts on a reserve, or in extreme cases the coach might play a little. And why not, you know at 7-0 that you’ve lost alright, and there’s no learning for either side if it’s too one sided. I know some of this because I have coached a junior football side a few times. One year the league was divided into 3 grades, and I took on the bottom grade boys, 9 defenders, 6 mid fielders. Then the local association decided that as only 4 clubs put up A grade sides that there would be just one big league. So the first game we faced one of the original selected teams, after 25 minutes it’s 7-0, and we were lucky to keep it that close. Tell me, in what way would it have been valuable for either side to go on until it was 20-0 or whatever ? If you’re going to select teams with all the best players in (and it was our own club’s top team) we don’t need a game to see who’s better do we, that’s why we had trials for christ’s sake. So we mixed it up, put on their 3 subs on our side and did a bit of coaching. My team enjoyed the second half a lot more than the first, and possibly even improved a little.

    So get over yourselves. Football ius supposed to be fun as well, and getting done like a dogs dinner over and over again because of mismatches is hardly fun, and there’s a whole lot of children who play for the exercise and the enjoyment. We encourage the teams and try every time to win and they enjoy that. I encourage the limits as it stops some getting discouraged. I’d have lost at least some of that team if we had to keep playing the selected teams in an open competition. My 2c worth.

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  41. reid (16,110 comments) says:

    If the means to hunting success change, hunters either adapt or lose to those who do adapt.

    SPC, I would guess without any data so guess, that a thousand real years is as a single year is to us, genetically. Thats how much we change genetically every thousand years, is the equivalent to the extent we change from year to year in our conscious lives. We have been experiencing our “politically correction” for how long. But my main question is, how come the “Political Correction” opposes our genetics instead of strengthening them?

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  42. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    In the case of the NZRFU, change is necessary for the survival of the amateur player numbers base to the game.

    As to the way of the hunter and the means to success in the wider context – you say political correction opposes our genetics.

    I’d say that without the means to communicate well Reagan would have been unsuccessful in his career – was he a woman … . And if effective commnunication is more important than in the past, its a skill successful hunters will acquire or be superceded – adapt to change or fail.

    Hunters operate within their environment, todays environment requires a different skill-set. Women do well in academic study because they have some of those skills, they just lack the tradition of success networks or the social support system to do so if they have a dual role as nurturing mothers – but if they share that with another (partner or nanny) they can compete as one of the hunters.

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  43. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (774 comments) says:

    um, can’t the NZRU do whatever they want?
    Wouldn’t political correctness be the NZRU changing this rule back due to the offence caused to people such as the commentators in this blog?
    Just saying………

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  44. Steve (4,522 comments) says:

    So we have 10,00 years of PC ahead of us genetically? Helen and co thanks.
    Phark

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  45. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    “I’d say that without the means to communicate well Reagan would have been unsuccessful in his career – was he a woman … . And if effective commnunication is more important than in the past, its a skill successful hunters will acquire or be superceded – adapt to change or fail. ”

    Real hunters just find and kill things a lot using as big a gun as they can carry easily.

    End of story! :)

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  46. Steve (4,522 comments) says:

    NPC will be stuffed soon. Winning points and losing points will not count in deciding which team goes up or down on the table.
    The Rugby Union will decide who is allowed to win

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  47. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Today the real hunter comes home and says he organised all the companies that buy the meat produced on farms into one new joint venture and is going to go toe to toe with Fonterra as our major agri-business ….

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  48. GazzaW (30 comments) says:

    Helengrad still rules in the bureaucacy.

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  49. GazzaW (30 comments) says:

    Bloody hell, will this philosophy spread to the pollsters? We can’t have Goofy getting too depressed by being more than 35 points behind JK in the preferred PM stakes.

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  50. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    Once the people realise that kicking Goff when he is down won’t improve his confidence and with more confidence he will perform better and good government requires an effective opposition – the polls will close before the election … .

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  51. reid (16,110 comments) says:

    Once the people realise that kicking Goff when he is down won’t improve his confidence

    When do you think that may happen? I’m quite enjoying giving him a good kicking while he’s down. I’m being gentle at the mo, in that I’m currently concentrating only on his soft squishy bits…

    …even so, he doesn’t seem to be having a good time, for some reason…

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  52. axeman (251 comments) says:

    Kicking Phil-in the Goof when he is down? It seems Trotter is doing a good job of that. http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/opinion/5094967/The-ghost-of-Labour-s-past

    Daffy didn’t like that so he wouldn’t allow this link to be posted on HIS redblog, funded by the taxpayer

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  53. Shunda barunda (2,966 comments) says:

    It’s a competitive sport for crying out loud!

    hey! perhaps we can incorporate this sort of thinking at level crossings and red lights!!

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  54. Ryan Sproull (7,060 comments) says:

    Fellow ex-All Black Josh Kronfeld said that as a boy, he was in a team that often lost by around 50 points – and he still enjoyed himself.

    “I remember crying one time to my dad.

    Um… Josh?

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  55. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Trypewriter: ‘We thrashed ‘em, Uncle Tripe. 10-nil. We could have made it 15-0 but we ran out of time.’

    What a superb little man.

    Bet he’ll f*k off to Australia as soon as he’s able – he’s obvioulsy the wrong kind of material for these here parts.

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  56. TimG_Oz (924 comments) says:

    I don’t get what the fuss is all about. I thought that all the Hurricanes supporters would be keen on introducing this rule at all all levels – right up to elite level.

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  57. Fisiani (993 comments) says:

    The paternalism of the Left knows no bounds. They believe that they know what is best for other people.
    They believe that it is self evident that recording a score of 90-0 will harm the delicate psyche of children.
    They must never again be allowed to control our lives with their focus on lowest common denominator rather than focus on success and triumph.

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  58. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    Yet you were happy to use that paternalism to get into NZ, what is your motto let hypocrisy reign ?
    Or do you believe NZ owes Islanders ? if so why ?

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  59. transmogrifier (522 comments) says:

    If the two opposing sides in a mismatch agree to call the game early and then mix it up afterwards to improve experience for all involved, then that is fine, and maybe even preferrable to a 120-0 scoreline, or whatever. Any good coach that has a team that is creaming the opposition will take the chance to give the reserves a run anyway, and maybe try some new combinations.

    But the point is, while all of the above is great and to be encouraged, it is a decision made by the people involved on the day. It is NOT legislated and enforced for every game under all circumstances. That is the bit that is disappointing. More rules, less thinking for yourself.

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  60. reid (16,110 comments) says:

    History of political correctness, for those interested

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  61. justinian (21 comments) says:

    The policy is wrong for two reasons.
    1. It encourages kids to be other than truthful about an outcome and thus suggests that untruthfulness may be justified.
    2. It is another form of match fixing.
    It is astonishing that those responsible for the policy have not thought it through.

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  62. reid (16,110 comments) says:

    It is astonishing that those responsible for the policy have not thought it through.

    No it’s not it’s to the contrary, typical the victims don’t think it through when the lefties penetrate and get something like this passed.

    One imagines they had an emotional presentation with a special “Please Someone, Anyone, Won’t Someone Think of the Children” banner and one of those whirly spiral hypnotic wheel things in the background.

    That’s how I think it was done.

    No thought, pure emotion. They were probably all crying, at the time.

    Somehow the NZRU board forgot they actually had balls and for a short while got all sensitive and feely. How the fuck else do you explain hairy hard men doing such a thing?

    Fuck.

    This isn’t going to be a good look for us in the RWC is it. Let’s hope we can at least win against Argentina, and if not that the score isn’t over 35 points against. What the fuck happens then?

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  63. Shazzadude (521 comments) says:

    I think it sucks, but I consider it a reaction to the dwindling numbers amongst junior players in favour of soccer. Their parents are worried about little Johnny being outclassed and physically outmatched by larger, faster Polynesian kids, and the NZRU feel they have to cater to these parents as a result.

    I think a better way of doing it would be to have a mercy rule like they do in softball, where the game is over once a certain score is reached.

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  64. Bruce Hamilton (60 comments) says:

    Gosh, this has been around for decades. Score differences can be attributed to a large number of factors, including team streaming in large schools that fielded multiple teams in junior grades.

    It’s a poor reflection on coaches that they apparently no longer perform the half time swapping that was traditionally used to balance teams when the score was out of control. I assume that’s why the NZRU has seen fit to issue the rule.

    I can recall junior grade games where whole backlines were swapped at half time. Also I recall a large school being advised to restructure their five teams in one grade, as they had obviously streamed them, with two at the top and the others at the bottom of the competition.

    Consistently losing by large margins is demoralising, especially as children have minimal choice about their team and coach.
    Masochistic adults can choose to be losers, but children should enjoy their game. From distant experience, losing by 10 was good if loosing by 30 was normal.

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  65. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    So when National win by about 60 setas in November do we have to have ” shuffle about” and give labour some of our players to make it fairer?

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  66. Mark (1,431 comments) says:

    This is a dilemma for Ruby administrators. The parents of the Kids that win these games by a hundred points or so cry that PC pussies are ruining the game. The parents of the kids that are getting thumped each week are often faced with Kids who dont want to play any more. It does say something about the grading system that teams become so missmatched.

    i coach kids sport and have over a long period. Bruce Hamilton’s comment above is right on the money and that is exectly what we still do when games are hopelessly one sided.

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  67. Elaycee (4,332 comments) says:

    What a load of bollocks – this “its all about participating and not about winning” / “lets not keep the score – its all about playing the game” etc is a hangover from the social nightmare led by dear leader and her band of socialist pantywaists.

    Games are played to WIN. If someone loses, then a good coach will tell them to remember the crap feeling of losing so the next time they go out, they play harder / smarter than last time and WIN. This woolly thinking about limiting the score or not even keeping the score, is the result of nearly a decade of PC bullshit at its very worst. The sooner that this line of ‘thinking’ is consigned to the scrapheap and replaced by common sense, the better.

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  68. Jimbob (641 comments) says:

    The person from the Rugby Union that is their spokesman on this is the one Brent Anderson. He used to play lock for Wairarapa-Bush. And yes he was a school teacher. Unfortunately for Brent, not all the dogs are barking.

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  69. Dexter (282 comments) says:

    It’s actually quite a good idea, and has little to do with being overly PC but simply Rugby trying to ensure it’s future.

    A game in which one team racks up a cricket score does absolutely nothing for any of the players developmentally, all it does is sate the egos of coaches and parents. This should encourage a switching of players or positions so that both teams will actually get something out of the game and stay interested in the contest.

    It’s pretty clear that some of the opponents know very little about Rugby and have virtually no experience in coaching or the type of coaches you encounter in these age groups nor have any idea of the threat Rugby is under from rival codes.

    It’s a bit of a shame really that the media knows it has such a willing audience it can manipulate with a tasty headline sure to whip up ‘anti pc’ hysteria.

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  70. RRM (9,661 comments) says:

    Meh, if kids are happy [/foolish] to run around in the mud and rain in winter in an effort to prove that they are slightly better than some other kids at something completely pointless, (and their parents are happy to facilitate this so that they can bask in the reflected glow) then just let them go to it.

    I sometimes slow down to watch when there’s saturday morning rugby on, it’s a bit like watching young goats learning how to butt heads.

    If you want your child to focus on learning to perform, and to appreciate the desirability of becoming properly good at something, as opposed to merely being slightly better than someone else in order to attain bragging rights, then get them learning a musical instrument.

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  71. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    RRM

    What’swrong with performing at sport? Is music superior somehow?

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  72. voice of reason (491 comments) says:

    Thanks Dexter – Sounds like you have junior coaching experience also.
    The reality is that the NZRU have had a policy for score blow outs for years – and it obvious to me that “reported” scorelines of 100 – 0 etc are evidence that many coaches do not follow the NZRU guidlines for Junior Rugby.

    “Score Blowouts In accordance with the Small Blacks Development Model guidelines, in the event that scores become one sided (defined by a halftime score differential of 35+ points), both coaches must meet at half time and come to agreement as to how the issue can be addressed to create a more even contest. (E.g. change dominant player positions, change dominant team tactics, rotate players, swap players between teams).”

    I would guess that the new scoring policy is a reaction to coaches not following the guideline.
    Having coached Junior rugby for 8 years from J8 to J1 grades I have experienced the attitude of the “Harden up” brigade
    These are invariably the ones screaming at the Refs and yelling “advice” to the players, and yet when volunteers are called for fund raising or team managing etc they are conspiciously quiet.
    My take on it is that from rippa rugby J8 to J5 (ages 5 -8) the kids want to know what the score was but dont really care too much, as long as the team scores a couple of “tries” and they have fun then all good. The game is 20-25 min halves so there generally isnt enough time to have a massive score.
    From J4 – J1 (ages 9 – 12) the games are more competitive and often a team can be dominated by 1 or 2 players.
    Particualrly if those kids are the dispensated specials )- ie over the weight limit). The original NZRU guidlines were in place to prevent this situation as well as score blowouts. There is no competition table for these grades, so points for / against is irrelevant. The last few games of the season are reserved as a “Rep knockout tournament” scores and points are recorded.
    In my view the existing guidlines need to be enforced rather than any new policy being introduced.

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  73. Batman (103 comments) says:

    What a crock of shit! the kids are still going to notice that the opposing team has out-scored them 15 tries to 1.

    Soon sailing will the the only sport left in which the results cannot be massaged to suit tall poppies! there is no way to rig a race without the consent of the people in the lead.

    which brings me to the solution. on club racing days we usually have the results in two forms, the on line results which are the physical order in which boats finish. and then the handicap results, which are worked out using mathematical formulae according to boats/sailors individual handicaps. This accounts for differing skills and weights. For instance, if I have a handicap of 5 minutes, if I finish within five minutes of the leader (inside my handicap) then i win on handicap. Equally, if I have an aboslute shitter of a race, I don’t place anywhere other than the bottom!

    I see no reason why this could not be applied to more sports for kids, you could have the real score remain and count towards the overall trophy, but then have the teams handicapped according to their results over the season, it is easy to manage and would result in everybody coming away with at least something to write home about i.e. “hey grandad, we came 3rd in the handicap championship this year!!”

    But massaging the actual result to make the losers feel better by holding back winners? disgraceful!

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  74. voice of reason (491 comments) says:

    So Batman – how would you handicap a kids rugby team?

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  75. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Most junior coaches find ways to handicap their teams to cut down the lopsided scores. Pull your gun player off early, play both halves into the wind, drop your numbers by a couple. The kids don’t mind.

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