King v Farrar

June 14th, 2011 at 3:30 pm by David Farrar

Am very amused by this story on Stuff:

In the spotlight over whether the taxpayer has funded Labour’s party activities, deputy leader has taken a pot shot at right-wing Stuff blogger David Farrar. …

King said Labour was very careful about what its staff did during paid time at Parliament.

”We have looked at it and we have made sure they are doing what is appropriate for them to do.”

Other parties should also check their staff, she said.

”Because I have no doubt that in the past someone like David Farrar setting up his blog, a lot of it was done within Parliament.

”I’m not accusing him of using Parliamentary time but every party has to be careful of what they do in their own time, in their own equipment and in Parliamentary equipment.”

Farrar admits he was working at Parliament when he set up the blog in 2003, and over the nine months he spent working in the National Party’s leader’s office he occasionally blogged from Parliament.

”But the blog was hosted on the NZ Pundit server in Dunedin. No Parliamentary resources were used.

”I worked an 80 hour week, they were getting free time from me, so the taxpayer didn’t pay for my time.”

I literally laughed out loud when I heard Annette was talking about eight years ago in 2003. And as I told Danya, my blog was never hosted on servers paid for by Parliament. Gordon King from NZ Pundit hosted it back then.

I definitely did blog from Parliament during the nine months cross-over with working there, but did this openly and under my own name. I actually think parliamentary staff should be encouraged to blog – so long as they do it openly like with Frog Blog.

But with me, it was very much as an individual. I did not seek permision from, or even inform in advance, any MP or staffer that I was starting a blog. For me it was just continuing on the debates I had been having in Usenet since 1996.

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42 Responses to “King v Farrar”

  1. williamsheridan (63 comments) says:

    The time that Labour MPs are wasting on “highlighting” these issues; and the feeble profile-raising exercises like Mallard and Curran’s inane social media twitterings, are incredible. When the hell is someone going to advise them to STFU ….. or have they had that advice and just won’t listen to it?

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  2. PaulL (5,774 comments) says:

    Hmm. I always love the words that the media choose.

    Farrar “admits”. Whenever I read that, it always has a negative feel to it – like we pursued him with a long series of questions until he broke down in tears and said “yes, I confess, I blogged whilst employed at parliament.” As opposed to “Farrar confirms he ….” or “Farrar agrees he……” which I suspect is more the right flavour. Usage of language. Clare Curran is the expert, right?

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  3. rouppe (852 comments) says:

    They are so one eyed. From the Herald online Annette King says:

    I have to say I have no time for his style of politics and the sort of things that he’s prepared to do.

    Isn’t this the same party that sent Mike Willaims over to Australia to trawl through receipts looking for something to pin on John Key? Apparently then it was perfectly OK to go look for anything in the public arena to use in a smear campaign.

    What’s changed now? Oh yeah, the shoe is on the other foot….

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  4. ben (2,385 comments) says:

    Could Labour be any sadder or more desperate? it would be reaching if DPF set his blog up last week. Outright desperation comes to mind when it was 2003.

    I recall Jim Bolger predicting the Labour Party’s demise all the way back in 1994. But here it may actually come to pass. They just look ridiculous at every turn. And they have seriously let down their donors.

    How not to run a political party 101.

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  5. Positan (376 comments) says:

    If the record absolutely proves and underlines only one thing, it is that when faced with criticism of any kind, no matter how large or small, significant or insignificant, Labour is completely incapable of delivering a reasoned explanation – or indeed, any sort of reasoned rebuttal.

    Instead of attempting to answer directly, the standard process of their front-people is immediately to try and associate the action under criticism with something comparable done by National in the past, whether or not relevant. The fact that their current issue is in no way thereby addressed or answered seems to be no sort of problem to them – the only thing they appear to register is the possibility of using the immediate circumstance as a means to strike a contrary political point.

    Mallard and King are notorious for such action – neither seeming to appreciate that in the minds of the discerning public they come across only as shifty and non-accepting of responsibility. It probably stems from the piss-poor debating capabilities they exude in parliament.

    I voted Labour years ago – I cannot see myself doing so ever again.

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  6. berend (1,599 comments) says:

    Wow, had some experience at The Standard today. After a few comments the moderator started to come down heavily on me, then I was name called, insulted by the moderator, and now finally banned, all in some hours. That was real quick. And no one can accuse me of trolling, just pointing out some truths. But I suppose that is where it hurted.

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  7. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    was it a full moon last night?? .. poor Annette should keep her head down. Am more interested about the parties she holds at her house.

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  8. BlairM (2,265 comments) says:

    From my experience working for Parliamentary Services, the line between party and parliamentary work was so much of a chinese wall as to be non-existent, although I did do my best to stay “within the rules”. Like DPF I did tend to justify any party work I did by saying that I was working a 60 hour week anyway, so the party work was technically in my free time.

    Though it would backfire on me from time to time. Ken Shirley once complained to my supervisor about me retiring for a siesta in my car at Fieldays while I left the ACT stall with volunteers. I had to point out that I did this on a Saturday, when I was forbidden by my contract to do parliamentary work anyway, and that I had sat on that damn thing for 12 hours a day the previous three days.

    It would be better to just pay the MP a bulk sum and let them use the money as they please, while opening up PS to the OIA.

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  9. Pongo (356 comments) says:

    Me thinks Danya Levy has gone from RNZ to Fairfax and probably wants to follow the usual career path to the Labour Party, her stuff is pretty un balanced.

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  10. Inventory2 (9,786 comments) says:

    Join the club Berend; you’re not a real RWNJ (Right Wing Nut Job) until Lyn Prentice has banned you for speaking the truth. I copped six months from him a while back for daring to suggest that “Eddie” was a Labour Party staffer. I didn’t even mention a name, even though it was widely known that “Eddie” was at various times J###y and at various times C###r.

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  11. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t worry berend, they were going to put me up against the wall and shoot me the other night. Apparently I’m now a member of the wealthy and powerful and the world would be a lot better place without me and my kind, gee I was so happy to learn my status in the world had risen a notch or two. Half them make out they are highly educated but are naive in the extreme the other half are so low they would need a step ladder to crawl up a snakes arsehole.

    Isn’t it time they put old full moon out to pasture, she’s certainly done her share of howling at the moon, mad, quite mad.

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  12. rouppe (852 comments) says:

    Berend,

    I’ve been banned from Red Alert because of the same thing. Every now and then I post a patsy comment but they never get past moderation so I’m in the dog-box there.

    Trev didn’t like me pointing out the sort of relationship he had with the IRB (a la insertion of Heineken bottle) when he was complaining what a crap job National was doing of the process…

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  13. 3-coil (1,182 comments) says:

    Big Ears turns her attack towards DPF – you must be shaking in your boots (no, not with laughter) David.

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  14. Peter (1,468 comments) says:

    Like Positan, I used to be a Labour voter, and this was one of the reasons I abandoned them – the inability to take responsibility.

    I don’t work with anyone with such standards, so why would I vote for them?

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  15. Elaycee (4,057 comments) says:

    Why is anyone surprised?

    This is the normal tactic of the left when they are pinned in a corner… they say whatever comes into their mind in an effort to create outrage – all designed to deflect attention away from the real (original) issue.

    Some things just never change.

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  16. ben (2,385 comments) says:

    I think I got a lifetime ban from the Standard. I was pretty tough on them. I think what got me kicked was suggesting that their site adds no value if it predictably cheers for everything in red ties and boos everything in blue ties, no matter what.

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  17. IHStewart (388 comments) says:

    @rouppe
    ” I’ve been banned from Red Alert because of the same thing. Every now and then I post a patsy comment but they never get past moderation so I’m in the dog-box there.”

    I have been fairly brutal on occasion at Red Alert and Clare Curran has warned me I was sailing close to the wind but they have never not published my comments although I think I am in permanent moderation, I suspect that is because I am politically centre left. I try to avoid getting personal with comments and I think that is the key to Red Alert. I noticed on the occasion I was warned, ” Spud ” had made an attack on me that was removed. I would love to know what he had said because I got quite a lot of abuse from others that made it through and I asked that it ( Spud’s ) be included but to no avail.

    Should he Spud read this and want to post the comment here I would ask that regardless of what he said, does not result in demerits from DPF.

    If I was you mate I would just send Clare an email. She was fair to me and she knows how pissed off with Labour I am. If I still lived in Dunedin South she would be getting my vote without any question. I have for the last two elections lived in Phil Goff’s electorate and all bets are off.

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  18. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    It’s like teasing a brain damaged cat and wondering why it scratches.

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  19. PaulL (5,774 comments) says:

    ben, I got a banning too, in the space of about an hour. I’ve never been banned anywhere before, so came as a surprise. Apparently I was guilty of “reframing”, which is akin to a hate crime. Same story as others – wild accusations by someone in the comment thread, ask them to explain why they thought that was even remotely plausible, long drawn out argument, followed by banning for having been disruptive. I think the long-termers there know that if they fail to answer anything for long enough, you’ll get the chop and they can claim victory. Annoying to say the least.

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  20. James Stephenson (1,880 comments) says:

    ben, I got a banning too

    I dunno why everyone persists in terming that place a “blog”…it’s a bloody fanzine, just a bit more hi-tech than the photocopied-and-stapled stuff from last century.

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  21. Johnboy (13,325 comments) says:

    I never realised KB was the haven of so many masochists till I read the above recent posts. :)

    Maybe Johnboy should give them a go?

    I think I’ll see what’s on telly first! :)

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  22. Doug (405 comments) says:

    If no one from the Right posted on Red Alert, sure would be fun watching Spud posting to himself and pulling funny faces for his own pleasure.

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  23. Inventory2 (9,786 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy – a banning from Lyn is a badge of honour to be worn proudly. All you have to do is to disagree with him and get him pissed off. It works a treat :-)

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  24. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    I2 .. what name does Lyn use .. I feel like a good whipping

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  25. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Banned from….Standard 3 times,Hand Mirror 2 times,NZ Conservative 1 time,Kiwipolitico 1 time,Crusader Rabbit 1 time,Frogblog 2 times and Kiwiblog 1 time.

    If ya haven’t been banned at least once from somewhere you just aren’t trying.

    ;-0

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  26. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Oh and of course Red Alert 4 times….but that’s so expected its almost pointless to say so. ;-)

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  27. Liberty (211 comments) says:

    “right-wing Stuff blogger David Farrar”
    From Kings perspective David might be right wing.
    From the real world he is a pinko.

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  28. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    if Whale OR the National Party have broken the law, they will be prosecuted just the the person or persons who leaked the Brash e-mails to Hagar.
    If they don’t get at least charged, then you lot are talking rubbish.
    simple really

    just posted this on the subStandard .. can’t wait for the reaction as it’s just after a Mickysavage comment

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  29. Johnboy (13,325 comments) says:

    I have checked out the prat Lyn IV2 and observed it’s scant regard for anyone who doesn’t fit the mould it has wrought.

    What I have never managed to discern is it’s gender.

    Is it (Lyn) Male/Female/Other? :)

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  30. Inventory2 (9,786 comments) says:

    Lyn (Lprent) – named by WO as “the bloke with the girl’s name”. Typical computer geek; absolutely devoid of a sense of humour and taking himself far too seriously as he tries to rid the world of RWNJ’s!

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  31. Johnboy (13,325 comments) says:

    I don’t think I would like to play in that sort of sandpit. It has always struck me as a circle jerk place.

    At least here you know the limits. There are none unless you piss David off, and you have to work fairly hard to do that. :)

    That’s very fair. :)

    What I can’t get my head round is that they pretend they are some sort of virtual machine and not an organ of the Labour Party. I guess they use that as an excuse at times like this (Whale Revelation Time) to pretend they are not dumb fucks.

    It doesn’t work. I don’t think I will waste any time there.

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  32. Elaycee (4,057 comments) says:

    @Johnboy says: “I don’t think I will waste any time there.”

    Good call. It’d be as bad as getting a root canal without a local.

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  33. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Williams said…
    the feeble profile-raising exercises like Mallard and Curran’s inane social media twitterings, are incredible

    You’re absolutely right there. Those MPs should spend their time reading economics and learn about the history of financial crises/collapses and try to come up with well thought policies and thus avoid making the same mistakes that had happened in the past decades. It is not hard to read about it (economics) really. Instead they want to feel important like 14 year old boys/girls hangin around on various social media sites as if they’ve just discovered them yesterday (this was a quote that someone here on Kiwiblog made in the past – I’ve just restated it here). An example. Just listen to them babbling about the need for Govt to raise the minimum wage even more. Haven’t they learnt anything about the fact that doing so, will be a disadvantage to young workers? They’ve been in parliament for decades and they still don’t learn. Hey but they have time to get engage in social media as if they’re 14 year olds.

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  34. Johnboy (13,325 comments) says:

    Yuck I just went over for a little look and God what did I see:

    Alexandra 29
    14 June 2011 at 6:56 pm

    This situation sickens me. I have been notified that my details have been accessed. I really dont care about my political preference being known. Indeed I like most labour supporters are not inclined to be shy about our personal preferences. I see this situation as a real blunder on the part of Labour central, however my contempt for those who have exploited the blunder is very fucking deep. The fact that my personal political involvement is now in the hands of the government, without my consent, is the heart of the issue for me.

    Those within government who found themselves exposed to the information had a moral, and a constitutional duty to protect the interests of the citizens involved, regardless of the political interest which exists. The Nat/Act/MP government has a duty to protect freedom of association and rights to privacy for all citizens and that should take precedent over political interests. That the Nats supporter slater is threatening to publicise the list is a real reflection on how low this government will go. This issue is bigger than internet security, it goes to the heart of what is democracy and must not be allowed to be swept under the table.

    Alexandra has been fucked over by the useless socialists incompetence (whom she still loves) but it is bloody JK’s fault that her pathetic allegiances have been exposed.

    Fuck me dead! Are all lefties as dumb as Alexandra? :)

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  35. Elaycee (4,057 comments) says:

    “Fuck me dead! Are all lefties as dumb as Alexandra?”

    Yup. Its fantastic – they are spewing. Despite Whale being critical of National on many occasions, some leftie idiots still see this as some National inspired, sinister Watergate type scenario and ignore the fact that their own team left the door wide open and the screen turned on.

    Can you imagine (just for a moment) the reaction from New York? Head grinch will be spewing into her morning bowl of bat wings and frogs tongues. The texts will be arriving in NZ with such frequency that Telecom shares will probably experience a jump.

    Haha – they really are the gift that keeps in giving.

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  36. niggly (779 comments) says:

    Yuck I just went over for a little look and God what did I see:

    Alexandra 29 …..

    Someone better pass Alexandra 29 a tin foil hat: “oh no, big brother govt now has my details and is watching me….” etc etc.

    As if, Good grief!!!! :-)

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  37. BeaB (1,944 comments) says:

    I still want to know how Annette King, who we now know has a downstairs bedroom, slept through what must have been a drunken commotion going on upstairs and someone pounding down the stairs to escape Dirty Darren.

    At her age she will be a light sleeper and likely to be woken up by any unusual noise – unless this was a regular occurrence which could also be part of her story.

    I fear we are never going to hear Darren’s version of events – more likely a soft focus story in a women’s mag, strolling along a beach throwing a stick to his little lapdog as he ponders his future and how he can best serve the youth of NZ.

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  38. niggly (779 comments) says:

    Maybe I need to ask some rhetorical questions as I’m having some problems getting my head around this absolute Labour clusterfcuk own goal :-)

    1. Regarding the original site http://www.healthyhomeshealthykiwis.org.nz (since changed to point to Labour’s own site) but up until last Sunday(?) instead displayed their directory http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:N-1owjpIajgJ:www.healthyhomeshealthykiwis.org.nz/+healthyhomeshealthykiwis

    So for weeks up until last Sunday(?) didn’t anyone in Labour actually check their websites were displaying the correct content? Does that mean that Labour MP’s didn’t even visit their own healthyhomeshealthykiwis website and notice? Do Labour MP’s not realise there is something out there called the internet – are they still using smoke signals and morse code to communicate? Apart from “tech saavy” MP’s like Claire and Trev of course, so what’s their excuse? This is so bizzare.

    2. If this had happened a few years ago when Helen was PM, does anyone think like me that she would have (or H2 would have) summoned a number of Labour people responsible for this clusterfcuk and ripped them up in no uncertain terms?

    So instead in 2011 we have … no comment from Phil Goff (is the guy still alive I wonder? Not a peep out of him for a couple of weeks) and then finally today/yesterday some comments from Annette spinning the blame on National. Why aren’t Phil and Annette being decisive like H1 & H2 and ripping shreds off the incompetents responsible for this, and also give a humiliating public dressdown (like Helen would) to make it clear to all NZ’ers how disgusted they are? The contrast in leadership styles is astounding.

    3. How long is Annette going to keep the blame National spin going? It might sound good to the die-hard-will-vote-for-Labour-even-if-they-sold-my-own-grandma-down-the-river-without-a-paddle diehards, but to most NZ’ers it will come across as again, the current Labour leadership being out of touch with reality. The Greens must be loving this.

    4. Labour has tried to claim that National were one of the first to access the file directory, from a National webserver. Surely a Nat webserver systems administrator wouldn’t use their own webserver as if it were a desktop and go browsing the web???? Anyway over to Labour to prove that claim, seeing their track record on telling the truth is abysmal.

    (It’s also interesting that “National Party president Peter Goodfellow told NZPA a head office staffer had accessed the data but only out of concern that National’s own website had similar vulnerabilities. He said today National had written to Labour to say it had not passed on any information and did not intend to”. From http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10732187

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  39. rouppe (852 comments) says:

    This situation sickens me. I have been notified that my details have been accessed. I really dont care about my political preference being known. Indeed I like most labour supporters are not inclined to be shy about our personal preferences. I see this situation as a real blunder on the part of Labour central, however my contempt for those who have exploited the blunder is very fucking deep.

    And this is from the same people that brought us the Electoral Finance Act, which stripped the right to privacy even when standing on a street corner with a sign… But that was going to “save us from the Bretheren” according to Annette King.

    Well maybe we should see just whose money is influencing Labour…

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  40. shady (250 comments) says:

    I don’t dare comment over at The Standard – they stalk your IP address and then post veiled threats with regards to what they know – wink, wink – nudge nudge.

    For example today a poster going by the pseudonym Portion Control got up Lyn’s nose today (along with Berend):

    “Portion Control 3.1.1.2.1
    14 June 2011 at 10:07 am
    What part of “internet” do you apologists not get? If it is published and indexable by google then the automatic assumption is that it is INTENDED to be public. The only time anything on the web is not INTENDED to be public is when it is protected by security. Yes I am saying that when you went to the healthyhomeshealthykiwis home page it brought up the index. ON THE FRONT PAGE. Which means everything in it was published, public and visible to everybody.

    [lprent: You're trolling this morning. Repeating the same information and arguments and not really engaging with other people. Your interesting IP is going into moderation until I see some improvement in behavior. Read the policy on trolling. ]”

    What could possibly be “interesting” about an IP – maybe where it is from….

    Given the large number of Labour and Union staffers involved in The Standard, I wouldn’t risk any backlash that might happen that could jeopardise our business by association with political opinion in opposition to theirs.

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  41. niggly (779 comments) says:

    I agree Shady about IP address stalking, I wouldn’t post over at the Standard or any other left “activist” website under the same pseudonym.

    I’ve seen the Standard some 3 or so years ago threatening some posters criticising Labour there that they are taking an interest in one’s IP address to work out who the poster is and whether they were posting from a work/employer computer network during work-time etc, in order to threaten exposure or embarassment etc.

    Isn’t that ironic in the context of Labour crying foul over Whale Oil’s expose etc?

    (Maybe as we speak, Nicky Hagar, Rochelle Rees or the Labour Party Research Unit have had their heads down going thru the Standard’s logs trying to see if they can match up people with addresses and land some hits. Would explain the outrageous commentary there – must be a have to wind people up to post!

    Perhaps we’d better ask the Greens & Keith Locke on their opinion, as they seem more concerned than Labour on protecting personal privacy etc) :-)

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  42. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Not to worry DPF: it was full moon last night. That explains King’s weird behaviour.

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