Labour’s 0/100 for security
June 13th, 2011 at 5:10 pm by David FarrarThe usual suspects have been trying to say that Labour’s website was hacked or cracked, or some sort of vulnerability was exploited.
But the video done by Whale shows how they had their entire server directory listed on the front page on their campaign site www.healthyhomeshealthykiwis.org.nz. No guessing directory names, no clever tricks. All you had to do was type in the URL and instead of getting an index.html page, you got the server directory.
Whale blogs on the background in further detail here.
Phil Quinn has called for the Labour Party General Secretary to resign over this. I’m not sure who is the appropriate person to resign, but I think someone does have to be held accountable for such a total failure of even the most basic security.
If Labour don’t hold someone accountable, then the only message you can take from it is that they don’t see this as serious enough.
Tags: Labour, websites, Whale Oil
June 13th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
All Hail the Whale!
Seriously how stupid are labour – a full listing on the front page of a public website. Morons.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
The stuff is being cached by Google!
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Isn’t everyone really missing the point? Even if Slater had put on a balaklava and scaled the building at 3am as part of his training to take on Mallard and crowbared open the office, Labour have still be entirely busted BREAKING THE LAW.
YET
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GAIN!
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Whaleoil champions Labour’s new policy of open government and full transparency by proudly showing the blogosphere they have nothing to hide.
priceless
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
I understand Phil Goff is holding on to the hope that nobody will notice.
Agree with everyone else (it seems) – truly moronic from Labour.
This might be a permanent blow to their ability to raise campaign finance. If donors expect their names will not be kept secret then Labour will have real trouble raising money, I suspect.
Hard luck for Whale that Christchurch will lead the news tonight.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Whale has proven one and for all that ths is not breaking and entering.
The analogy is more like having an apple tree growing over your front fence. You cant complain that someone picks your apples if you let apples grow over your front fence where the public walk by.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Ha ha ha ha! FFS, Labour are loooooosers.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Oh dear. What a pity, never mind.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Murray…
Vote:Nice one!
June 13th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
“Hard luck for Whale that Christchurch will lead the news tonight.” even harder luck for Christchurch, I’m sure they’d rather not be in the news again like this.
I suspect Whale has some grounds for pursuing defamation against certain mouthpieces on Labour’s organs.
Vote:Pagani in particular seems to have crossed into libellous territory in his Stuff column, accusing National:
“National stalked the Labour server and found a vulnerability that shouldn’t have been there”
I’d be really nervous about now if I was him. I’d probably be writing my retraction about now.
June 13th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
I help look after a web site for a flower and gardening society. I ‘plug’ every directory with a index.html so people cannot sneak behind the scenes. It is not rocket science.
There were posters put up during WWII – ‘Careless talk costs lives’. The German military frequently started messages with ‘Heil Hitler’ – the code breakers at Bletchley Park loved it.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Brilliant stuff from the Whale, again. Perhaps Fairfax, APN, TVNZ, Mediaworks should employ him / put him on retainer. If I was running a news organization I would put him on retainer as long as I got first dibs on his stuff.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
This would never had led the news on state TV no matter what the circumstances, most likely wouldn’t have even made the news anywhere in the hour.
Vote:As for P Quinns suggestion, ROTFLMTO , Any bloody socialist taking responsibility ha ha ha ha ha , not even in the manual
June 13th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Labour put information online, people read it. Explaine their problem? Aside from the obvioud stupidity of course.
It would be like /slater bitching about labour quoting his blog. It sense makes not.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Let us look at the detail….$s and cents.
How, oh how, will Goffie and his demented followers pay for their electorate campaigns ($25,000 each) without rorting the system or bringing in union fees?
Less than $12000 in the bank to cover all (6-7) Auckland electorates?
Cannot be done without subterfuge.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
And people think we should TRUST them with our country???????
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
If Labour became the government does that mean they would be in charge of the SIS?
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Pffffft
Vote:What an absolute fizzer.
Apart from a few dyed in the wool righties who are working themselves up into a froth in their respective echo chambers no one seems to really give a shit.
Even a few of the righties where I work think it’s pretty bad form of National to have been involved in this.
Oh well. I’m off to make a donation to Labour, and I don’t even plan on voting for them this year. Ha. I’m sure they will be thanking Whale, Farrar and Co for the publicity.
June 13th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
The Yanks must have breathed a huge sigh of relief when the moron Lange gave them an excuse to walk away from NZ.
The poor bastards have enough security leaks of their own without a bunch of amateur tossers like the Labour (apology for a) Government adding to them.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Get over yourself matt, labour have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar again and only a handful of dyed in the wool commie fucktards are trying to get free pass and forth up some plastic outrage that its somehoe not fair.
Boo fucking hoo.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
This is no fizzer M@tt – its a shocker, incompetence personified.
Basically the tax payer is hosting Labour’s websites – no surely not.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
If you were a bloody sporting man Murray you would give them a couple of bucks too.
Lets face it the poor sods won’t have enough in the kitty to buy bullets for their mass suicide after November 26th.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Screw sporting Johnboy, these fuckers have stolen enough of my money already. I’m happy to give them plenty of rope for all of them.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
M@tt obviously hasn’t visited The Standard in the last 30 hours; it’s all they’re talking about there. Some of the comments about WO, especially from “Eddie” (not sure if it’s the male or female derivative) have to be seen to be believed; so much for the caring Left. Here’s a sample:
No M@tt; nothing to see here; move on …
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
And people think we should TRUST them with our country???????
Murray, please. The NZ Government only controls 56% of the country and burns through about 45% of its GDP. Its an exaggeration to confuse government with “our country”. Only a mild exaggeration, mind you, given how little it leaves for us little guys. When they cross 50% of GDP – next year? the year after? – then you’ll be on the money.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
“…, but I think someone does have to be held accountable for such a total failure of even the most basic security. ”
David, David, David…Labour has already found the fall guy for this you have even blogged about it.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/blogs/john-pagani-left-leaning/5134957/How-the-dirty-tricks-machine-works
” So it’s easy to piece together what happened. National stalked the Labour server ”
Actually and I haven’t been able to track down where I saw it but apparently the correct reaction from National would have been to inform Labour of the vulnerability. It is clear to me that Labour intend to hold National accountable for this.
Wearing my centre left hat this is cringe worthy from Labour. However when I put my disinterested observer hat it is bloody hilarious. I like No Right Turn’s take on it.
http://norightturn.blogspot.com/ ”
” Over at The Standard they’re crying foul and “theft!” – exactly the opposite of their position on the Don Brash emails – but nothing of the sort seems to have occurred. Instead, Labour seems to have just left stuff lying around on the web for anyone to look at. ”
I don’t read The Standard as a rule,
http://thestandard.org.nz/thank-you-donors/
but this is fantastic.
” But if you are pissed off, please don’t blame some hapless web admin working for Labour, please blame the people who took this information and illegally made it public. The best way to get back at them is to donate again to Labour, that’s what I’m doing. ”
I some how don’t think that the only donor so far outed, Cactus Kate, is going to be leaping to follow that advice but I could be wrong.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Organ donation i.e. a brain is the only way to help those cretins.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
I thought Clare Curran was an open source guru and Linux was completely secure?
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Whale Oil deserves to be knighted, while the morons at Labour Party H.Q. deserve to be fired!
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Jeez m@tt, don’t you reckon the 18,000 people who had their identity and credit cards exposed due to labour’s retardation might just possibly “give a shit”, or do you reckon they’re all cool with that? Idiot. And I think you’ll find that National had no involvement whatsoever, but hey, keep making shit up if that’s what it takes to get you through the day, I know that electoral reality looks too horrific for you to face these days.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Ok ben you vote for labour then. Good luck to you.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
davidp, this has nothing to do with security. There was none. The Google bots, and every other indexer on the web, even indexed this stuff. It was publicly available.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Heaps of this monumental incompetence seems to have been illegally funded by us via Parliamentary Services. A little karma.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Boom! Headshot.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
“the people who took this information and illegally made it public”. Righhhht…. if it’s illegal to open the page that comes up as the first hit when you google the name of a website, then they’re going to need a very big cell to hold pretty much the entire Internet-using population of the world. The same directory still comes up as the first hit, but if you click it, it now redirects to the main Labour site, which tells us “Supporting Labour is easy. Get involved, donate, join Labour”. LOL any takers for that?
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
please don’t blame some hapless web admin working for Labour, please blame the people who took this information and illegally made it public.
That’s pretty stupid.
It was the web admin who made it public, not Whale. Plus of course the supreme idiot who put a data in a web published directory. Only someone who is severely incompetent would do that.
Whale is the least of those donor’s problems, in fact he’s done them a favour by exposing the complete lack of security.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Not much happening on Red Alert since yesterday morning; where’s Clare?
Bet she doesn’t wear a footie jersey to Question Time tomorrow…
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Now if we could harness the energy being used to flail wildly in all directions by elements of the left we could power Auckland for 6 months.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Good stuff WO. What utter dumbfucks.
I note the MSM is mostly giving airspace to retarded Labour party officials spinning that they have been the subject of “malicious hacking”.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
M@tt – “Oh well. I’m off to make a donation to Labour, ” In cash, no doubt.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
‘Now if we could harness the energy being used to flail wildly in all directions by elements of the left we could power Auckland for 6 months’
Can’t run on shit forever Murray. Could be wrong, the Liarbore shit never stops.
Will we see Clare smiling and gloating at Backbenchs like she was last week? Nope. Now we will get ‘the look’ Kill a man at 40 paces that will
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
I2 .. Hippy has a post about John Key selling NZ and Fention has found a family struggling .. I would suggest that they are in a bunker OR maybe Skyping like mad
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Actually I think Labour will spin this as hacking for all it is worth. They will go through the election campaign painting themselves as victims. Victims! As if politicians weren’t already hard enough to bear.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
@ Ben; it worked for Darren
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Slater’s defence appears to go something like this –
Defendant: “Your honour, I don’t really like her but she was laid out pissed as, her sexy micro-mini hitched up to her waist and her crothchless panties invitingly open, so I fucked her. It’s not my fault.”
Victim: “He raped me.”
Judge: “I will take 14 years as a starting point…”
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Who’s permission to I have to get to edit a comment?
“crotchless, not crothchless”
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Is the Labour Party stealing/misappropriating/using taxpayers money to illegally pay for the Labour Party electioneering grounds for deregistration of the Labour Party prior to November?
Vote:There would still be time to form and register another socialist party to contest the election in November
June 13th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Fisiani
Vote:The Mana Party could take over the remnants of Labour, at least they would have more scruples.
June 13th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Johnboy,
It gets worse. If Labour was the government then Goofy would be the Minister for the SIS. I wonder how our newfound friends at the Pentagon would like that.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
I thought this little piece of history from Tane on the Stranded is just priceless:
http://thestandard.org.nz/healthy-homes-healthy-kiwis/
It’s not a bad looking website, and they’ve even managed to get a bit of human interest in there too.
a bit of human interest? My fucking oath! as dear Mr Makepeace was wont to say…
Tane could not have concluded his puff piece better – a bloody good issue to make a noise about too.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Repost of myself at Dim-post:
This is how Labour seeks assistance in running Party-critical IT infrastructure:
https://twitter.com/clarecurranmp/status/67917487261495296
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Speaking as a fully trained and qualified IT Enterprise administrator the total lack of security leaves me speechless.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Anyone want some internal SQL passwords?
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahealthyhomeshealthykiwis.org.nz+password
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
@SHG – ha ha ha. The geek in me likes this.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
davidp – Whale’s screenshots indicated it was a Linux server running Apache. The Linux operating system and Apache would have stayed perfectly secure. There were three things wrong:
1. Stuff was stored in a web accessible directory tree which should never have been there.
2. Directory access from browsers was enabled – it should not have been.
3. A home page index.html was missing on one of the web sites served. This allowed anyone with web access to drive a coach and horses through the whole group of web sites.
Terminal stupidity of the highest order.
As for any suggestion that the Nats should have told Labour of the loophole – one just has to be joking.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Wow! How easy. What a monumental fuck up by Labour. I suspect there must be more than cause for the Privacy Commissioner to take action against Labour. As for the 18,ooo doners they are apparently contacting, pffft, more like 480. Spin, spin.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
These clowns ARE asking us to let them run the country come November, yet they can’t run a friggin web-site, and when they fuck that up they play the man and ignore the issue. No thanks. I have loved their beneficiary bashing though, priceless, they love ‘em when they think they are Labour voters and go feral if they are not. How principled.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Ok, I’ve tried, but I can’t think of any single piece of basic security that was applied here. It’s far beyond incompetent.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Agreed Nigel, it’s beyond incompetence – it’s “professional” negligence.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Oh, this is golden. And a superb presentation from Mr Whale also. It’s hard to fathom how or why this kind of info could be published on a webserver.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
DPF: I agree with You that Labour let this drift into the public domain, however, it would be nice if you’d confirm that National act with the utmost integrity and not handle this data at all? Is this too much to expect?
This information isn’t ‘hollow men’ or wikileaks. It doesn’t hold power to account. It provides the tools of those on power to pick on the membership of a mainstream political party.
[DPF: Here's my understanding of events. Whale discovered the data around three weeks ago. I know this because he mentioned it to me. News spread amongst a few on the right that one of Labour's websites had a gaping security hole. One of the technical (not political) staff at HQ had a look at the site, mainly to check that no National sites had the same weakness. He probably pissed himself laughing when he saw exactly what had been done - having a directory listing and no index.html page.
There is absolutely no way National HQ discovered the site and tipped Whale off. One staffer from National had a nosey around the site when he heard about it. To the best of my knowledge National does not hold any of the information from the site.]
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Ephemera – so, the people who thought the EFA was a great way to stifle debate by removing anonymity, are now upset that they might lose their own? My heart bleeds.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
I donated 50 cents to the pricks just to let them incur the bank charges over the Electoral Finance Bill, if those cunts have my name and private details unsecured and out in the public domain I’ll rip them a new arsehole. Useless fuckers. I shall be looking very closely at Whales’ material. And I will make an issue of my details being made available to any one who wants a look on the web. Fuck you Labour, you have outted me donating 50 cents to your crack whore house of politics. I want my 50 cents back too.
Vote:June 13th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
RP – I agree completely, but didn’t you just out yourself as you’re probably the only one who donated 50 cents?
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Doc 7:09 pm. Not just a headshot; more of a ‘double tap’ with devastator bullets. And self inflicted to boot. Priceless. I’m off to the popcorn truck to buy an extra large bag of the stuff. Guess I better go to the convenience store for some coke too. Such wonderful free entertainment. By the way, schadenfreude is my favorite German word.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 12:03 am
I think Kate out did me, but she has way much more disposable income
It did get me on theor mailing list for the begging bowl though. Intersting stuff through the letter box, they are broken arsed as Whale says.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Put it Away, shamefully, yes I gave Labour 50 cents. Mind you that only 0.3 litres into the Goff-mobile with supermarket dockets. Lets keep it that way.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 6:17 am
@Put it Away
You either cannot tell the difference between the leadership and the membership of a party, or you cannot tell the difference between a political party and a religious cult.
This has as much to do with how National intend to deal with the information, as it has to do with Labour’s mishandling of it.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 6:56 am
I have little time for labour and cleaely they are guilty of a major security failure, gross negligence and letting their supporters down badly. But a more interesting issue is the one of ethics or lack there of. Whale has exposed the breach and good on him for doing so however now if he uses what he cleary knows is intended to be private information that he has downloaded because of someone else’s error tells a lot more about him than labour.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 7:15 am
@Mark, Whale might have the private information, but Google has it as well. Every bot, every spider, everyone who walked in has that information. They put their donors on a public website, so by definition it’s no longer public.
If people think that if Whaleoil doesn’t publish this their details are somehow still private, they are kidding themselves.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 7:16 am
Mark.
What I find amusing is that Labour have communicated with Slater reminding him of HIS legal oblilgations, having forgotten that Slater has qite sucessfully disclosed the fact that Labour have forgotten their legal obligations with respect to Party Funding and Electoral Law.
They are now claiming that some of their parliamentary staff actually work part time for the party. I look forward to seeing IRD investigate that one. (pity it probably won’t happen)
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 7:23 am
ephemera – oh, so it was just the leadership that wanted the EFA – you remember that – “chilling effect on democracy” – and the ordinary members howled and protested and staged some kind of mass walkout in horror, I take it? I don’t think so. You lot wanted to make it illegal to wave a placard without putting your name and address on it. You’ve all got that shame on your conscience, if you have any. Karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?
Oh and National is not “dealing with this information”. Whaleoil is. He does not work for National, and if you think anyone tells whale what to do, you don’t know whale.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 7:25 am
Security is not the issue. Securitybreach and ethical issues are being used to divert attention from the fact that labour STILL, after repeated warnings, after the the auditor general warned them, and after the pledge card scandal, appears to be using parliamentary services resources to manage campaign funds. It is called theft. IE taking something of value knowing that it is not yours and that you have no right to it. It is dishonest. And, if you read the North Dunedin minutes, it appears rife and part of a concerted strategy.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 8:10 am
1. National isn’t involved as far as I can see. Whaleoil is a loose cannon, he attacks National almost as often as he attacks Labour. (Len Brown excepted).
2.The information was actually published on a public website by Labour – this is clear from google cache. This may have been the result of incompetence, but it is Labour that have a duty to take reasonable steps to protect their donor information.
3. As for picking on the membership of the party, the only personal information Whaleoil has published is that of Cactus Kate, who had already indicated in a public forum that she had made the donation.
FFS if you guys want to minimise the damage to the Labour party, at least try to stick to the facts. As a lifelong Labour voter turned National at the last election, what put me off Labour was the lies, deceit, muckraking and general political venality of our current Labour parliamentarians together with their tendency to treat the electorate as gullible idiots who will believe anything they say.
Honour and decency or, god forbid, ethical behaviour, might be oldfashioned concepts, but they still win votes.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Ephemera, I’ve seen this argument a couple times. The argument seems to be that if you are wealthy you have no right to privacy. Or, to make it shorthand, “if you’re a National party donor, your name should be published. But if you’re a Labour party donor, it shouldn’t.”
There are rules about the limit above which donors should be published. I’ve seen plenty on the left bitching about the fact that, for example, the “insurance industry” supposedly donated to National. Supposedly without exceeding the limit (else they’d have disclosed it), and without showing it in the company accounts (which would be illegal, and the auditors check for). And plenty of calls for all the National donors to be disclosed. So this would be different how?
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 8:49 am
PaulL – according to stuff, whale has “threatened to reveal any conflicts of interest, potentially compromising Labour supporters in sensitive positions who have contacted it in support of its Stop Asset Sales campaign and others. ”
( http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5138857/Labour-says-database-use-breaches-privacy )
So it does look like he only plans to use this to hold the powerful to account. Ephemera should be pleased as punch!
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Ephemera: This has nothing to do with the National Party nor their collective intentions. This is about flagrant negligence and idiocy by Labour, its staff, its dragooned Parliamentary staff and its leadership.(If you can call it that!) After gross negligence comes recklessness. These reckless losers think they can run a country…?
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 9:48 am
FFS if you guys want to minimise the damage to the Labour party, at least try to stick to the facts
Why do you assume I am a Labour voter, or are in any way condoning their handling of this? Indeed, let’s stick to the facts.
In an earlier thread about this, a commenter suggested what this data might be used for; things such as flushing out National Party ‘traitors’.
I’m merely suggesting that, however tempting the data is for National to use, it won’t be ethical. Just because it is available doesn’t make it right. Does pointing this out make one some kind of tribal Labour loyalist? Come on.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Perhaps if the Labour Party parliamentary staffers had been concentrating on their proper tax-payer paid roles (instead of furtively doing Labour Party work illegally in work time) this whole cock-up may have never occurred?
They don’t seem to have been able to multi-task very sucessfully at all.
Edit: too many Y-chromosomes perhaps?
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 10:53 am
It couldn’t be simplar. The homeowner wanted the curtains closed but the hired help left them open? – and a peeping Whale has peered inside and photographed and is shouting about the fornication he saw.
We should now look at who left the curtains open, when and why also. Was it ignorance, (which includes careless and stupidity), was it malicious (the “who” and “how” is important here)?
The when is about “were they always open”. Too easy if you don’t need to hack
chmod ya later
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Christian Heinrich just “found” the FB URLs too – and look at what then happened to poor young Ben Grubbs
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 11:23 am
RICH PRICK:………I suggest you check the list to ensure your donation is listed. It may have been mis-appropriated.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Question to the lawyers out there. What if one of the donors laid a complaint with the Privacy Commissioner that the LP had failed to secure the site.
Whats the likely outcome.
Vote:June 14th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
backster, I wouldn’t put it past the bastards. They would nick anything. 50 cents or $850k, small change in their minds when it is some one elses money.
Vote:June 16th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Whale Oil unmasks the Labour hack mickeysavage
Vote:http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/index.php/2011/06/a-gay-email-from-mickey-savage/