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This one’s a bit different though; for the first time, the pundits are admitting that Phil Goff cannot lead Labour to an election victory; that much be worrying all the “ones”…
More kiwis leaving NZ than ever, government bigger than ever, John Key more popular than ever. Why would anyone bother to vote for Labour? The lefties are already in charge.
The Norway mass murders were acts of extreme cowardice, the bombing and killing of innocent people, and particularly despicable was the methodical killing of unarmed, defenseless young people with no easy way of escaping their brutal execution. That’s about as despicable and gutless as you can get.
One apparent aim was to become a hero of the extreme right and a catalyst for cataclysm.
The Norwegian murderer has support on this side of the world. It’s not surprising, small groups have been posting online of the hope for something like this to happen – like minded people online may well have encouraged what happened in Norway – and the mass killing seems to meet with their approval. They are openly hopeful it is the beginning of the mass uprising they have been wishing for.
The End is Nigh! Nemesis:
The time for talking and making friendly peace gestures is finished! Let the start of the ending begin!
I’ve posted there expressing my disgust at their aims of mayhem and murder in New Zealand but as usual they delete quickly any dissent to their crusade. But the more people that stand up and make opposition to their hate for and opposition to our democratic way of life known the more they will get the message they have no wider support.
I2, I think Labour should be actually bold rather than claiming to be, and promote someone for the future. Not Cunliffe or Parker – they need to invest in someone new.
Pete George, but whom ? , hell I believe Labour should move to the right and a bloke like Simon Powers would make an ideal Labour party leader.
Pity he is a Nat and leaving politics.
I2 – I really think they have to bite the bullet and make a major change – it’s up to Goff to force the others, but he probably can’t bring himself to do that.
goh – someone like Grant Robertson, take a punt on someone who can build through to 2014.
Thanks for your post above. I had no idea that there was applause from NZ for the Norwegian murders. I thought it was bad enough that some posters here thought that the massacre was somehow the fault of multiculturalism, allowing too many immigrant, etc, etc.
Recently, I emailed several journalists and politicians to ask why Malaysian businessman Hamzah , is being allowed to set up a branch of the Obedient Wives Club in NZ. No one has answered my question. Polygamy is the cornerstone of this organization. Have I missed something? Is polygamy now legal in NZ? The previous govt was about to make it legal but I wouldn’t have expected a National govt to make it legal. Any answers out there.
A hidden consequence of polygamy and the islamist lifestyle is over flowing orphanages and huge numbers of neglected children. I would’ve thought we already had enough neglected children in this country.
Hamzah promotes the idea that women and women are not equal..This idea is against the law here so why is he allowed to promote it? It is an insult to all who have fought for equality over the years.
No NZers, indeed no foreigners , are given any kind of platform to express their views in Malaysia so why has this codger been given free reign in NZ?
If polygamy is to be allowed here , there are no prizes for guessing who will be paying for this lifestyle. Mugs one and all.
Whoever Labour appoints will have to be seen to be above the crap attitude of the previous labour government. Clarks contempt for anyone who opposed her (remember her “cancerous”comment about Brash and the statement that she could never work with National because she had no respect for their motives?) was contagious and we are still seeing vicious ad hom attacks on Key. Labour just doesn’t see that NZers are sick of that attitude. They cannot understand why Key, who doesn’t descend to that level, is so popular.
I have always thought Parker would be capable of rising above the “hate and division”politics practiised by Labour, even though he has made one or two silly statements. Street hasn’t got it. She would be a backward step.
Silent T is a cold fish with the charisma of a scorpion. If they appoint anyone else now, it will be just another temporary measure. Let them get the electoral pasting that they so richly deserve in the hope that a real leader might come thru. I rule out Little because he is beholden to the union movement.
Thanks mikenmild – some of the regulars there used to frequent this blog but got sick of being challenged as sick, they are happier (or should that be sadder) in their cluster of fwits.
I’ve posted about the Crusader cowards on the Trade Me message boards and someone called me “mad as a March Hare” – I guess it was them that reported me to TM Support who have just given me a warning for linking to “malicious or inappropriate sites” and they’ve removed the link. That’s ironic.
Nookin – We have been shown a multitude of times that expecting Labour to have an sudden mind shock into the real world is not going to happen….
I mean seriously, to still as you say do ad hom attacks on Key etc etc is somewhat pointless and doing the opposite to what they are expecting is still not accepted by these Pinko’s… If they havn’t sussed this point in late July 2011, it is not going to happen…
“The real crisis will occur not if we *fail* to raise the debt ceiling, but if we **succeed**”
Heard an interview on Kim Hill about 0.5 hour ago, talking about how people say Obama’s not a very good negotiator, cause he always seems to give the Republicans 80-90% of what they want. She’s saying he does it on purpose.
That debt visualisation graphic we’ve seen tells the same story.
Washington politics is completely dysfunctional and the US Constitution evidently left the building a long time ago as the politicians on all sides stopped representing their electorates and started representing those who give them money to stay in power.
And the US MSM does nothing, cause they too depend on the same interest groups for their financial survival.
And some people seem still to think, this really is the land of the free.
However let’s get real here, that’s not important, this is.
Playmates have rushed to defend Hugh Hefner after his former fiancee claimed he only lasted “two seconds in bed”.
Crystal Harris recently claimed the 85-year-old Playboy magnate was a flop in the bedroom.
Whafe said… Again, the shit NZ Herald does not have anything on the US of A economic situation
Because the Herald’s kindergarten economic reporters are Keynesian-worshipers. The US problems as many other countries in Europe which are on the brink of bankruptcy have been driven by Keynes economics. Why would the Herald want to report something that completely contradicts their Keynesian religion ? For them, it is better to just ignore the issue and hope it will go away.
Had a look at the ‘stuxnet’ link…..potentially a problem but somewhat along the lines of ‘A’ creates a better virus, ‘B’ develops a better anti virus. The geek(s) will inherit the Earth.
Of interest on the same page was the list of twelve pieces of technology likely to hit the scrapheap, most within a very few years from their conception. Some are obvious (newspapers, faxes) but others such as Blackberrys & keys could have a short shelf life.
On the bright side I’ve saved a shit load of money by not investing in most of them.
Oh you found it in the dictionary did you?
You react with a ‘straw man.’
Answering your own question sure saves a lot of time.
I guess Godwin’s Law will make an entry very soon.
grumpy that article mentions China’s new anti-ship [read carrier] missile and no doubt it’s got terminal evasion maneuvering capability, just like the Russian Sunburn.
If these missiles really can take out carriers what does that mean for the US ability in force projection. Also China’s strategy of hit hard, fast and early to force the US to stand-off where its planes are less effective, makes sense, as does its motivation: the humiliation from Taiwan in 1998.
The US’ trump card in all of this is that it owns space and without space you can’t operate these days. But how long will that last and secondly, I’m damned sure the Russians have been sharing their knowledge with the Chinese on this (as well as on missile technology) and if you have Russian and Chinese scientists vs US and European ones I’m not sure how long that advantage is going to last.
Does Sippenhaft include the blaming of the descendents seven generations later and expecting these descendents to pay for their forefathers transgressions
PG
You miss my point but that is nothing new..You didn’t answer my questions.
Other_ Andy
What is your definition of Sippenhaft? I haven’t heard this term before. PG lacks precision so I am hoping for a more accurate explanation from you..thanks.
“Sippenhaft has nothing to do with listing specific quotes from people promoting murder. I’m pointing directly at those responsible. ”
You are turning things around.
There are several European leaders, such as David Cameron, Nicolas Sarkozy, and Angela Merkel, for whom, according to the latter, multiculturalism is an “utter failure.”?
Are they now “extreme right wing” and quilty by association?
@miken – you think that deliberate policies such as Blair’s of importing massive numbers of additions to Labour’s client state, to skew the electorate and “rub the Right’s nose in diversity” have nothing to do with the creation of anger and frustration in the native populations of Europe?
I think the wild flailing of left-wingers this week, desperate to assume the status of victim and tar anyone right of Sue Bradford as a violent nut-job only a heartbeat away from gunning children down in the street says everything about what created the conditions for this to happen. So, while the massacre is the gunman’s fault, in the same way as you might blame the thrower of a cigarette butt for a forest fire, something needs to gather a whole heap of combustible stuff together first.
The only people responsible for the massacre are the perpetrator and anyone who encourages or endorses his views. Your analogy to a forest fire is funny: are you blaming the person who planted the trees?
…”Your analogy to a forest fire is funny: are you blaming the person who planted the trees?”….
What’s strange about this analogy? Carry it a step further & the person who cut down all the trees & allowed damaging erosion would be vilified. No less the person who planted the trees with no thought of the long term outcome.
Apply the logic to policies of uncontrolled immigration practised for years by socialist European governments & you end up with today’s situation. The gunman/bomber is responsible for his actions & deserves whatever is coming to him but the politicians & bleeding heart immigrant cuddlers should not escape attention for allowing the mess to develop.
Sippenhaft or Sippenhaftung (English: “kin liability”) was a form of collective punishment practiced in Nazi Germany towards the end of the Second World War. It was a legalized practice in which relatives of persons accused of crimes against the state were held to share the responsibility for those crimes and subject to arrest and sometimes execution. Many people who had committed no crimes were arrested and punished under Sippenhaft laws introduced after the failed July 20 plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler in July 1944. A law of February 1945 also threatened death to the relatives of military commanders who showed what Hitler regarded as cowardice or defeatism in the face of the enemy.
This would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. A peaceable, tolerant country is to blame because a maniac who disagrees with peace and tolerance commits mass murder?
No, that peaceable tolerant country is not to blame, nor its general population. Those socialists determined to impose their views of a world shaped as an ethnic melting pot deserve all the censure it is possible to heap upon them.
I have no intention of blaming the many for the pig headed actions of the few.
Pete George is an almost prototypical example of a “useful idiot” to borrow from Stalin’s terminolgy.
There is a legitimate and relevant debate to be had around “multiculturalism” and the useful idiots of this world are in a most shameful and reprehensible manner using the actions of a Norwegian nutcase as a way to shut this debate down.
I have chosen to comment on here due to the wide ranging debate available and the ability of most here to not let personal ideologues totally dominate their posting. Pursuing other blogs listed in the index it strikes me how lucky this site is in that we can fight in words for days at a time yet still share a joke together
P G gets as frustrated as me when he can not get traction on important issues
that is our problem not of this blog
Your analogy to a forest fire is funny: are you blaming the person who planted the trees?
No, what I’m saying is that there is always going to be some unhinged idiot with the potential to grab a gun and shoot lots of people in any society. The policies of deliberate mass-immigration and “multi-culti” in Europe were inevitably going to cause anger and resentment among a lot of native citizens, but they weren’t important to the political elites, which of course deepens the anger and resentment still further.
I am not, repeat not, defending Anders Whatshisname. I am saying that the two words that best describe this massacre to me are “sad inevitability”.
Pete George is right, there are those of the extreme right in NZ who take great joy in the killing of some kids by a cowardly crusader who when the cops arrived did not even have the guts to take them on.
And yes we do have some very sick puppies in this country from the extreme right.
@reid
I hope everyone thinks different life without debate is boring in the extreme
we all have different life experiences that effects our own reality to debate is to share life experience with others
It’s probably been said before.. but would we be so united in our condemnation of Anders.. If he had done this terrible deed in a muslim islamic country.
That Standard piece shows the usual confusion over left and right. In the MSM the term “right” is used as a brainless synonym for “racist” and serves as a politically useful smear.
As Norman Tebbit said this week, being right wing is about freedom not violence.
There is nothing remotely right-wing about that Norwegian nutter. He is a lefty through and through. His complaint is not that the state interferes too much but that it doesn’t interfere enough by restricting people’s freedom to live and work where they choose.
As a genuine right-winger myself I can say quite catagorically that it is none of my business who lives next door to me, where he was born, what magical pixie he worships or what ethnicity his circle of friends is. John Key said recently that those poor refugees were ‘not welcome’ in New Zealand. Well, here’s the thing John, it makes no difference to me if you or one of them buys the house next door to me. Provided you don’t let your dog shit on my lawn we’ll get along fine.
“Bicycle helmets should not be compulsory, say doctors”
If people are forced to wear helmets they may give up cycling altogether and lose the health benefits of regular exercise, they warned.
More than two thirds of the [British Medical Journal's] readers said they opposed compulsory helmets for adults.
One respondent in the poll of 1,427 people said: “It gives out the message that cycling is dangerous, which it is not. The evidence that cycling helmets work to reduce injury is not conclusive.
“What has, however, been shown is that laws that make wearing helmets compulsory decrease cycling activity. Cycling is a healthy activity and cyclists live longer on average than non-cyclists.”
Another added: “Since nowhere with a helmet law can show any reduction in risk to cyclists, only a reduction in cyclists, why would anyone want to bring in a law for something which is clearly not effective at reducing the risk to cyclists?”
Australia made it illegal to not wear a helmet in 1991 but Sydney University researchers have called for the law to be repealed, arguing that the fall in head injuries was down to road safety improvements, rather than the new law.
They also cited figures from Western Australia which suggested that the legislation led to a 30 per cent drop in cycling rates.
James Stephenson , Nasska , Other_Andy , Andrei..good posts..and thanks for the info Andy.
MnM
The myth of a tolerant peaceful Norway is a bit like the myth of a tolerant peaceful Malaysia..It is a myth. In recent times , we have been expected to believe that Norwegians and their history are ”purer than driven snow.” Not so . I don’t think a purer than driven snow country exists anywhere on this planet..People who think their country has this kind of history are deluding themselves. Norwegians are very anti semitic as their history during the second world war demonstrates. Many of the Jewish people who fled Norway for Sweden at this time , never returned. There is now a very small population of Jewish people mainly in Oslo. They are worried that somehow they may be made responsible for these attacks. The Nazis referred to their Norwegian men as ”Big , blond , killing machines.” The socialists at their camp were encouraging children and others to boycott Israel. The foreign minister was there the day before the shooting to preach this message.
Driven snow..no sorry…I can understand people wanting to believe myths especially at a time of great shock and sorrow.
…”have you ever tried to get one to behave like that??”…
Tends to stretch the imagination a bit. Most NZ wives look upon prospective husbands a little like they view a lump of kaolin clay. Uninspiring as a raw material but suitably moulded, poked & fired up, suitable for purpose until something better comes along.
No, successful polygamy would take subjection of females, dressing them to look like bags of laundry, preventing their education, legalised beatings & a form of institutionalised downgrading of their worth as human beings.
Probably some sort of stone age religion would fit the bill but where would you find one? Oh wait!!
Peewee Gee’s 907 says it all really.
He defends the “other” while knocking his own. All the while pretending to be the broad minded liberal.
Well for what it’s worth to you multicultural secularists out there,if we are multicultural like the PM and so many other idiots say we are then tear up the constitution and allow polygamy and any other gamy while you’re about it. Blokes can almost marry blokes for goodness sake.
And let’s keep girls out of scholl,better still kill them at birth, burn widows,eat prisoners of war and keep slaves.After all these are or were until relatively recently “cultural” practices in many parts of the world.
Just remember if it’s western it’s bad, if “foreign” it’s OK,Muslim better still.
joana great knowledge of history , the Norwegians were nasty bastards so Jews in Norway fucked off to Sweden.
Had nothing to do with the Germans invading ?
Boycott Israel, why not, unless you believe they have a right to our passports
Scrapheap looms for $2m waka The $2 million Rugby World Cup waka could be sent to the scrapheap soon after it stars as a Government-backed tourist attraction during the tournament.
The giant 75m-long “Waka Maori” will promote culture for 11 days at a cost of $1.9 million to taxpayers and $100,000 to the Auckland iwi Ngati Whatua o Orakei.
The Weekend Herald has also discovered an email from Herewini Te Koha, a top official of Te Puni Kokiri (the Ministry of Maori Development), who wrote to Auckland counterparts and tribal leaders about the political cost to Dr Sharples of supporting the waka project.
“The key issue is that the minister has cashed significant chips with Cabinet to get the Waka Maori concept approved, funding allocated and Ngati Whatua ownership accepted.”
…
Mana Party leader Hone Harawira …”The expenditure of $2 million on a plastic waka which will only be there for 11 days, cost $130,000 a year to store and $50,000 every time somebody wants to use it? That’s what I call a colossal waste of money.”
When the project was revealed in April, Labour MP Shane Jones likened the waka to plastic kitchenware, dubbing it the “tupperwaka” and a nauseating gift to a hapu.
Good points thanks but I’m keeping my head down on the specifics of the Norwegian tragedy. I’ve a gut feeling that there is still a lot more information to work its way to the surface.
grumpyoldhori (1,941) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Pete George is right, there are those of the extreme right in NZ who take great joy in the killing of some kids by a cowardly crusader who when the cops arrived did not even have the guts to take them on.
And yes we do have some very sick puppies in this country from the extreme right.
Well honorable hori, roll out some names so we can decide of you are right or wrong.
Grumpy,
Many Norwegians collaborated with the Nazis. They are still very anti semitic. As a Dutch friend says , they are a much more closed society than some others in Europe.
Israelis are fighting for their survival..the passports are a small matter when all and sundry around you want to ”drive you into the sea.” Their words , not mine.
The socialist idea of tolerance is ” Tolerate everyone , except the Jewish people.” The marriage between the socialists and the muslims is about as fated as Charles and Di’s improbable union. The liberals in Egypt are finding this out about now with the muslim Brohood pushing their own agenda.. Disollusionment and worse awaits anyone who sympathizes with the muslims.
Kowtow
A muslim in the ME recently killed six of his daughters..honour killings one and all. Afterwards , he said ..he would do it all again. See Winds of Jihad site.
Immigration is good how else are we going to replace those we loose to the outside world
how ever we would be unwise to allow to many of one group to emigrate here who refuse to take part in our society
The wearing of burqa is not the problem it is the culture that stands behind it that causes the problem
Many Norwegians collaborated with the Nazis. They are still very anti semitic. As a Dutch friend says , they are a much more closed society than some others in Europe…
The socialist idea of tolerance is ” Tolerate everyone , except the Jewish people.”
I think joanna re: the Norwegians it’s fairer to say they tolerate everyone except those who don’t tolerate others.
Norway as I’ve linked to before, is about to recognise the Palestinian state and has done historically all sorts of things to throw it off-side with all the millions if not billions of Israel-firsters around the world.
My question is: why do said Israel-firsters consider that a crime or a big deal in anyway. Isn’t a free country allowed to have its own opinion?
…”Isn’t a free country allowed to have its own opinion?”…
At the risk of nit picking that could be a very dangerous assumption. The people of the country may have opinions that are all over the place. The best that could be said is that the majority of a democratic country hold XYZ opinion on a certain subject at a particular time.
Agree that rare, not necessarily precious metals, are a good investment, especially if you hold them physically “under the bed” as opposed to collectively on paper. The way I see it, if the USD goes tits up a row of figures at the bottom of a bank statement will represent a lousy investment.
Started to watch the film but at 2hrs in length it will have to wait until I’ve got uncommitted time.
The best that could be said is that the majority of a democratic country hold XYZ opinion on a certain subject at a particular time.,
Was talking about Norway’s various positions in the UN etc over time. Oslo Accord, etc.
Agree that rare, not necessarily precious metals, are a good investment, especially if you hold them physically “under the bed” as opposed to collectively on paper. The way I see it, if the USD goes tits up a row of figures at the bottom of a bank statement will represent a lousy investment.
Coltan is vital in cell phone aerials and platinum in hydrogen fuel cells. That’s why I do that.
I agree that movie is a significant time investment. Unusually for me, it kept getting betting and better in terms of explicating the brutality and tragedy of what happened which also makes it almost unwatchable in some parts, but the raw information of what and how it happened, is the point. History repeats, when we forget it.
Harsh words on the incompetent Messiah: “The fact is, he’s good at dismantling. He’s good at critiquing. He’s good at not being the last guy, the one you didn’t like. But he’s not good at building, creating, calling into being. He was good at summoning hope, but he’s not good at directing it and turning it into something concrete that answers a broad public desire.
And it continues to mm but which fact he cites in the movie can you disprove?
He gives historical names, dates, places, financial reports, media reports, et al.
Data.
Go ahead, prove it’s wrong.
BTW, just because it challenges one or more of your operating paradigms, doesn’t mean it’s not true. Ignore cognitive dissonance and concentrate on the data and by all means, disprove any of the names, dates and places he gives us.
Wow I am in moderation over at Red Alert. I am guessing for comments here and at the Dim-Post as far as I know I have never had a comment deleted at Red Alert and although I don’t comment often I am fairly sure I wasn’t in moderation last time I commented. Not sure if I should laugh or really really laugh, particularly ironic was that I was commenting on Clare Currens moderation post.
Sad isn’t it, in the very blogger heartland of the NZ lefty, to have a policy which apparently doesn’t tolerate intruders a.k.a. meme disputers, in their lair.
What puzzles me about their moderation is where they find the time and why they bother.
Moderation here is almost unheard of and we have some robust debates and slanging matches and plenty of robust criticism without too many getting their shirts in a tangle.
Their moderation actually detracts from the purpose of the blog and from the wealth of information that comes from wide ranging debate.
It seems that Clare and Trev either think their posters and readers are precious little beings that must be shielded from the big world or that no one must criticize nor challenge their belief system.
Clare’s statement that it should be able to be read by an Intermediate child makes me wonder just why they would want an Intermediate age child to be frequenting their blog. Either its part of indoctrination al la Norway Camp style or thats the level of maturity they expect of their supporters, who go to read the blurb.
Maybe both but either way it is out right insulting to their visitors.
Given what they also dish out to others when it suits it remains rather precious to censor everything others may wish to write.
For in this case moderation is another word for censorship.
It gives us a good view of their thinking when it comes to freedom in NZ.
Oh you mean the carefully selected, edited and politicised pieces by our moral guardians that tell us what the next ‘hip’, ‘cool’, ‘in’ and politically correct standpoint is and should be. Aren’t we peasants lucky to have ‘journalists’ that can tell us what is real, important and above all right.
This married couple is on holiday in Pakistan. They’re touring around
the market place looking at the goods and such, when they pass this
small sandal shop.
From inside they hear a gentleman with a Pakistani accent say “I welcome
you, foreigners! Come in, come in to my humble shop. Salam a leekem!”
So the married couple walks in.
The Pakistani man says to them “I have some special sandals
I think you’d be interested in. They make you wild at sex like a great
desert camel.”
The wife after hearing this is really interested in buying the sandals,
but her husband feels he really doesn’t need them, being the sex god
that he is. So the husband says to the Pakistani, “How could sandals
make you into a sex freak?”
The Pakistani replies “Just try them on.”
The husband, after much badgering from his wife, finally concedes to try
them on. As he does, he gets this wild look in his eyes, something his
wife has not seen in many years; raw sexual power. In a blink of the
eye, the husband rushes the Pakistani man, throws him on a table and
starts tearing at the guys pants.
All the time the Pakistani man is screaming “Stop, stop! You’ve got them
on the wrong feet!”
It’s probably not enough. John Ansell might struggle to find your comment. I think you need to post a specific accusation right on his blog. Maybe then he wouldn’t find it, but you’d be giving him a chance.
There are three things in life that are certain -
Death,
Taxes,
and that if you load up Windows Media Player and the volume control is set right down to 2 or 5 out of 100, it means that the last person on there was watching porn.
Did you hear the one about the East Bengali girl, 17, farmer’s daughter, who was told by her father to follow the footsteps of centuries of ancestors and, in the off-season, go to West Bengal to seek work.
Trouble is, East Bengal is now Bangladesh and West Bengal is in India, thanks to yet another arbitrary border drawn by the colonial European power, and, thanks to poverty in East Bengal and the impending climate change refugees crisis, is increasingly guarded by a barbed wire fence.
Anyway, the girl slipped and ended up dangling upside down in the fence, with an audience of Indian soldiers.
They sure take their border protection seriously over there. I agree that many borders in the Middle East & South East Asia were poorly drawn by the departing colonial powers. I fully support the native people being encouraged to redefine the borders of their lands.
Hey GrumpyOldIdiot, good news for you, all the leaders of the Turkish General Staff have resigned which has likely neutered the armed forces, the central plank for Turkish secularism. You can go and sign up to their Army now, though you might be disappointed when you get shipped off to Iran after Erdogan’s neo-Ottoman inclinations get the better of him.
A woman didn’t come home one night. The next day she told her husband
that she had slept over at a girlfriend’s house. The man called his wife’s
10 best friends. None of them knew anything about it.
Friendship Between Men:
A man didn’t come home one night. The next day he told his wife that he had
slept over at a buddy’s house. The woman called her husband’s 10 best
friends. Eight of them confirmed that he had slept over, and two
claimed that he was still there.
An army private went to see the Medical Captain for a new pair
of glasses. The Captain looked in his book of record and said,
“But you just got a new pair last month!”
“Yes sir, b.. b.. but I got them b..broken in an accident,”
stammered the private.
“Accident, what kind of an accident?” The Captain looked in his
book of Accident definitions and glossaries, “Road-march
accident, Firing Range accident, PT accident, Drill accident?”
“No, no nothing of those…” said the private.
“Well then, what is it?”
“I’d rather not tell you sir…”
“Well, no satisfactory explanations, no new glasses,” said the
medical officer, ready to stand up, “I’ve to see my patients
now.”
“No, no sir wait, I broke them when I was kissing my girl,”
blurted the private.
“Don’t be daft man, how could you break your glasses kissing
a girl?”
Do I interpret you correctly Luc as saying AGW will bring about huge population movements due to rising sea levels etc?
How come Luc hasn’t got back to me yet?
You’d think he’d have such facts as rising sea-level-p.a.-by-country at his fingertips, wouldn’t you. I’m amazed he hasn’t learned NZ’s figures off by heart. Maybe it’s so bad, Luc just doesn’t want to tell us, lest we panic and not turn up for work on Monday or indeed ever again.
If so, thanks Luc, for keeping us in the dark re: this, most appreciated. I like turning up for work on Monday. It’s wonderful.
I dont think preety boy carter could kick his own balls at the moment, but as my wife said THE REAL BOKS ARE MUCH BIGGER AND FASTER, ps she raised her voice
Hey Hurf, Erdogan won just over 50% of the vote. And his third win in a row, after being released from the jail of the generals.
Pretty clear mandate, wouldn’t you say?
And why should a Muslim nation be secularist? One thing I admire about Islam is that it encapsulates everything humans need: moral guidance and a legal system.
Of course, I would like to see some tweaking done to the moral guidance and the legal system, although polygamy sounds pretty good to me, although not, I suspect, to my wife, and I think the requirement to protect women has been taken more than a bit too far, but can you name a western system that is so comprehensive and so simple?
The mistake made by the imperial powers was to divide their former empires along religious & then ethnic lines but ignore the tribal factions & age old allegiances. If left to their own devices much of the fertile crescent would split along these lines. The result would be many small Islamic fiefdoms squabbling amongst themselves as they have for ages past.
They would be happy with small tribal wars & we could get on with living life.
It”s not that slow. Currently, sea level rise refugees are being accommodated as IDPs. I use the terms refugees and IDPs interchangeably.
The rate has doubled from last century. On NASA’s latest measurements, unfortunately from a satellite less than a decade in operation, the rate of ice mass loss has doubled in the last 8 years, which implies a sea level rise of perhaps five metres this century.
Hey Hurf, Erdogan won just over 50% of the vote. And his third win in a row, after being released from the jail of the generals.
Fantastic. What’s that got to do with the price of beans?
One thing I admire about Islam is that it encapsulates everything humans need: moral guidance and a legal system.
Yes, I can see how such a religion would be attractive to a far-left extremist. And here I was, thinking all organised religion was a regrettable little social construct. You’re a fan of that concept, right?
I’m not saying it won’t be a serious problem, but in terms of large amounts of refugees I’m not sure that it will be worse than what we see periodicially from wars and famines, etc.
Luc thanks for the acknowledgement I’m on the right track but you missed out the bit where I asked you about calamity levels and timeframes and I’m puzzled so could you fill us in, calamity level and timeframe wise?
Once again, Mr Hansen, your insanity has clouded your judgement and resulted in your regurgitation of discredited postcolonial lunacy. That beer must have really got into your bloodstream.
Let’s look at a one metre sea level rise. Even the conservative current estimates, given the BAU scenario, are for a sea level rise of 1m by, say, 2060. And they don’t estimate the effect of melting ice because it is an unknown quantity!
That will displace about 200 million (from memory) Bangladeshis purely from intruding water, let alone economic distress.
Additionally, 600 million people live in cities at threat of inundation from a one metre sea level rise.
Someone said Long Island will become Short Island.
Gillard has just chopped the malingerers and the too fat to work types. Gees that will cause an influx of them back here. Close the gates.
AN estimated four out of every 10 people currently eligible for the Disability Support Pension would fail to qualify for the payment under sweeping reforms to the welfare benefit to be unveiled by the Gillard government today.
In the biggest ever crackdown on the burgeoning DSP, the government will today publish proposed new “impairment tables” used to judge who is eligible to claim the benefit, worth $729.30 a fortnight for singles.
Hurf Durf (2,799) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Hey GrumpyOldIdiot, good news for you, all the leaders of the Turkish General Staff have resigned which has likely neutered the armed forces, the central plank for Turkish secularism. You can go and sign up to their Army now, though you might be disappointed when you get shipped off to Iran after Erdogan’s neo-Ottoman inclinations get the better of him.
I’m trying to work out what Hurf’s problem is with my response.
Turkey’s secularism was dependent on the oppression of the army, according to Hurf. And I agree. Now Turkey is realising the wishes of the majority of its people. Surely Hurf, a dedicated democrat, should be celebrating?
And nasska, ask Tama Iti if that is a red herring!
@Luc Hansen (2,935) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
“And why should a Muslim nation be secularist? One thing I admire about Islam is that it encapsulates everything humans need: moral guidance and a legal system.”
Lol Luc, you’re bending over backwards so far you could do da limbo eh!
viking2 @3.15pm – why do provide a link to a “blog” that makes cowardly attacks on DPF ?
For this reason.
grumpyoldhori (1,942) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Pete George is right, there are those of the extreme right in NZ who take great joy in the killing of some kids by a cowardly crusader who when the cops arrived did not even have the guts to take them on.
And yes we do have some very sick puppies in this country from the extreme right.
Go read what Red has to say. Stupid old hori was clearly suggesting that people from the extreme right supported the killing of 76 people.
Well Red is considered by many as extreme right. So read what he has to say about the coward that performed those executions.
Apart from that DPF is very capable of defending himself if the need arises and is well capable of demriting RED and others when he considers it appropriate. Meanwhile many of us like to read widely and consider others opinions. Pity a lot more don’t.
I’d like to make an appropriate analogy so you can wrap your tiny intellect around these concerns more easily, but you’d have a little cry about Godwin’s Law so I won’t bother.
Let’s just say it’s not as simple as it plays out in Lucworld, but as Joana says, it figures that simplicity appeals to you.
Excuse me, Milktoast, I would appreciate it if you ceased using such loaded and inaccurate terminology. It’s sad you’ve made such common cause with a violent extremist.
Redbaiter’s argument boils down to blaming socialists for everything, either directly through stalinist regimes or indirectly by provoking mass murderers in Norway.
Luc, please keep up. AGW has been completely and utterly discredited and as each day goes by more and more scurrilous altered information is exposed.
The emperor has no clothes anymore.
Even the press has given up talking about it.
the Carbon market has collapsed.
The USA can’t afford it.
BMW’s use less carbon than Prious.
Windmills ain’t economic without stealing from the taxpayer to subsidize them.
The list goes on.
Oh and by the way, shouldn’t you give up beer??
Think of the carbon saving you would make.
we could all then have an extra beer.
There are some very attractive aspects to it. Muslims do not pay interest under Islamic Finance. It has huge potential for a post-capitalist world. No more usury.
Yes, guys and gals, one day our descendants will live in such a world!
Don’t ask me what shape it will be – hopefully not pear-shaped.
V2 @ 10:19pm – Redbaiter was a obnoxious arsehole and I’m glad he is gone from here.
yep he could be but he had a clear point of view.
In his post today he is very clear about what he thinks of the actions of that individual. Actions which the old hori insinuated that people like Red are capable of. Not only was it cowardly but it was also untrue as you would see if you read the post.
Grumpy continually tries these smears on and the runs away to milk the cows.
Problem is that you refuse to think about what he says in any depth because it doesn’t suit your comfortable existence and by the time you do it will be to late they will have come to take you away.
mm
Well what’s wrong with that logic? He demonstrates its truth quite ably. Go argue it with him if you are capable of refuting what he says. But that would be tooo hard wouldn’t it!
V2 said “Problem is that you refuse to think about what he says in any depth because it doesn’t suit your comfortable existence and by the time you do it will be to late they will have come to take you away”
I’m afraid Google Translate can’t cope with that gem
Luc Hansen (2,938) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
There are some very attractive aspects to it. Muslims do not pay interest under Islamic Finance. It has huge potential for a post-capitalist world. No more usury.
Really, I don’t think you have checked this out at all. There is always a quid pro quo. No religious organization lets ypu off without paying a tithe somehow.
Oh it may not be called interest but it is extracted. After all they learnt it from the Catholics from whence they came.
Almost all developed nations are governed by one of two conservative political parties, including Kiwiland.
Perhaps Gillard understands her tenure may be shorter than the nominal parliamentary term, so she is setting out to do some dirty work for her successors (like cutting free fruit for school kids. Yes, really! 70c per day per kid. Sooo expensive!)
Just like Labour should have done in its last term. It was dog tucker from a long way out. It should have instituted a comprehensive CGT and a good hike to the minimum wage.
mikenmild (1,431) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Next we’ll be hearing it’s part of the Jewish conspiracy that reid was on about earlier.
Well not from me although they are all descended from the same religious cult, just had differences in interpretation and power along the way. Nothing’s changed.
Still a battle for riches and power.
Luc Hansen (2,939) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Perhaps Gillard understands her tenure may be shorter than the nominal parliamentary term, so she is setting out to do some dirty work for her successors (like cutting free fruit for school kids. Yes, really! 70c per day per kid. Sooo expensive!)
And also unnecessary, even in NZ. Stealing from the taxpayer should be made a capital offense. In this case its often twice, once for a benefit and again to feed the kid. Take it out of the benefit.
Just like Labour should have done in its last term. It was dog tucker from a long way out. It should have instituted a comprehensive CGT and a good hike to the minimum wage.
CGT will not produce any tax of any magnitude. Plenty of research for you to look up and I am not going to do your work for you. So when it failed to produce the required many millions where are you going to get the next lot from??
Oh that’s right you will raise the minimum wage so you can tax those poor bastards if they still have a job to go to,more as they suffer from bracket creep. Just like that Masterful “Poor Prick Cullen” did to everyone.
You don’t think about consequences do you??
Helen’s biggest mistake. Accepting Cullen as Minister of finance. Raising the tax rates.
Killed NZ commerce dead in the water. Now look where we are.
Luc Hansen (2,941) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
So do you question the validity of the science or just the effectiveness of policy options?
Well the science is thoroughly discredited now (you haven’t noticed of course), so now that is the case then policy issues are no longer relevant.
Perhaps we could get on with deciding what policy is appropriate to deal with the earths naturally changing dynamics, e.g. Droughts, Famines,too much rain, La Nina and El nino, denuding the land of its forests to the detrement of both people and the land.
Depends on your concept of extremist, don’t you think?
For example, Hezbollah was formed to resist Israel’s invasion and belligerent occupation of Lebanon, which was intended to realise the longstanding Zionist desire to make the Litani River Israel’s northern border.
New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth’s atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space. Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth’s atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space than the alarmist computer models predict. http://blogs.forbes.com/jamestaylor/2011/07/27/new-nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-in-global-warming-alarmism/
“Always keep an open mind,” said Bertrand Russell, “but never so open that others can fill it with rubbish.”
Like Global warming??
Seems you should have listened to the man. You have been conned in the biggest con ever perpetuated on the population of the world other than of course Religion.
Extremist Luc Hansen fails to see the stupidity of his moral equivilency. Of course, he enjoys this: more than once Mr Hansen has compared the FR to the Taliban, an organisation that hangs children on suspicion of spying. Mr Hansen’s tacit support for these heinous acts only build on existing concerns about his well-founded extremism.
Mr Hansen’s refusal to explicitely condemn heinous terrorist actions by organisations he refers to as “national liberation groups,” presumably to hark back to his wasted youth, reflect his delusion and his preparedness to apologise for criminal acts. Additionally, his moral equivilency refuses to allow him to clearly view his extremism through a prism of stability. This equivilency likely stems from a naive idealism developed during the afore-mentioned wasted youth.
Hurf uses the term ‘terrorism’ as a tactic to forestall the use of the other “t” word, “thinking”.
And Hurf knows full well that I condemn all attacks on civilians.
But, in the world according to Hurf, there are civilians and there are, well civilians. Some civilians are more civilian that others, yes?
The FR executed many, many civilians suspected of collaborating with the Nazis – as we all would, in those circumstances.
And does Hurf condemn the atrocities of Israel, even before Israel became a recognised state? From expelling Britain to Deir Yassin to Cast Lead, Israel is founded upon terrorist actions.
But that’s OK, in the world according to Hurf.
As regards Afghanistan, who cannot but sympathise with the poor civilians, interminably, it seems to us, caught in conflict outside of their control. But short of massive, and I mean massive, occupation, how can we remake the country in our own image?
Instead, we just kill, kill, kill and make things even worse.
July 30th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Another day, another poll has Labour sliding backwards
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/07/poll-misery-continues.html
This one’s a bit different though; for the first time, the pundits are admitting that Phil Goff cannot lead Labour to an election victory; that much be worrying all the “ones”…
PS: First!
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Morning all, let battle commence.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:09 am
More kiwis leaving NZ than ever, government bigger than ever, John Key more popular than ever. Why would anyone bother to vote for Labour? The lefties are already in charge.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Crusader cowards
I’ve posted there expressing my disgust at their aims of mayhem and murder in New Zealand but as usual they delete quickly any dissent to their crusade. But the more people that stand up and make opposition to their hate for and opposition to our democratic way of life known the more they will get the message they have no wider support.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:18 am
I2, I think Labour should be actually bold rather than claiming to be, and promote someone for the future. Not Cunliffe or Parker – they need to invest in someone new.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:22 am
not the opposite of Tama iti, the Maori and Green parties, Pete?
… not quite the same disgust
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:29 am
@ Pete; I’m guessing that by 2pm Tuesday, Key and English will be facing Parker and Street.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:29 am
I think the CR cluster is far more disgusting.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:30 am
Pete George, but whom ? , hell I believe Labour should move to the right and a bloke like Simon Powers would make an ideal Labour party leader.
Vote:Pity he is a Nat and leaving politics.
July 30th, 2011 at 8:33 am
I2 – I really think they have to bite the bullet and make a major change – it’s up to Goff to force the others, but he probably can’t bring himself to do that.
goh – someone like Grant Robertson, take a punt on someone who can build through to 2014.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Come on guys, Phil Goff’s not going to sacrifice his plum Rugby World Cup tickets this close to the prize.
Got to be some perks to the most thankless job in New Zealand.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Pete George
Thanks for your post above. I had no idea that there was applause from NZ for the Norwegian murders. I thought it was bad enough that some posters here thought that the massacre was somehow the fault of multiculturalism, allowing too many immigrant, etc, etc.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Recently, I emailed several journalists and politicians to ask why Malaysian businessman Hamzah , is being allowed to set up a branch of the Obedient Wives Club in NZ. No one has answered my question. Polygamy is the cornerstone of this organization. Have I missed something? Is polygamy now legal in NZ? The previous govt was about to make it legal but I wouldn’t have expected a National govt to make it legal. Any answers out there.
Vote:A hidden consequence of polygamy and the islamist lifestyle is over flowing orphanages and huge numbers of neglected children. I would’ve thought we already had enough neglected children in this country.
Hamzah promotes the idea that women and women are not equal..This idea is against the law here so why is he allowed to promote it? It is an insult to all who have fought for equality over the years.
No NZers, indeed no foreigners , are given any kind of platform to express their views in Malaysia so why has this codger been given free reign in NZ?
If polygamy is to be allowed here , there are no prizes for guessing who will be paying for this lifestyle. Mugs one and all.
July 30th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Polygamy won’t be allowed here. We’ll just stick with our culture that includes unfaithful partners and adultery.
We already have obedient wives clubs, I’ve seen newly wedded wives pledge obedience in church.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Whoever Labour appoints will have to be seen to be above the crap attitude of the previous labour government. Clarks contempt for anyone who opposed her (remember her “cancerous”comment about Brash and the statement that she could never work with National because she had no respect for their motives?) was contagious and we are still seeing vicious ad hom attacks on Key. Labour just doesn’t see that NZers are sick of that attitude. They cannot understand why Key, who doesn’t descend to that level, is so popular.
I have always thought Parker would be capable of rising above the “hate and division”politics practiised by Labour, even though he has made one or two silly statements. Street hasn’t got it. She would be a backward step.
Vote:Silent T is a cold fish with the charisma of a scorpion. If they appoint anyone else now, it will be just another temporary measure. Let them get the electoral pasting that they so richly deserve in the hope that a real leader might come thru. I rule out Little because he is beholden to the union movement.
July 30th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Thanks mikenmild – some of the regulars there used to frequent this blog but got sick of being challenged as sick, they are happier (or should that be sadder) in their cluster of fwits.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:15 am
“The real crisis will occur not if we *fail* to raise the debt ceiling, but if we **succeed**”
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Quite a good explication of China’s defence strategy.
And, what happens when ordinary hackers get hold of the Stuxnet code, as it gradually leaks into the public arena?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:17 am
I’ve posted about the Crusader cowards on the Trade Me message boards and someone called me “mad as a March Hare” – I guess it was them that reported me to TM Support who have just given me a warning for linking to “malicious or inappropriate sites” and they’ve removed the link. That’s ironic.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Nookin – We have been shown a multitude of times that expecting Labour to have an sudden mind shock into the real world is not going to happen….
I mean seriously, to still as you say do ad hom attacks on Key etc etc is somewhat pointless and doing the opposite to what they are expecting is still not accepted by these Pinko’s… If they havn’t sussed this point in late July 2011, it is not going to happen…
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Again, the shit NZ Herald does not have anything on the US of A economic situation on the front page… Am stunned again, but not surprrised!
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:23 am
It sounds like some bloggers on this site are promoting Sippenhaft to silence opposing views and comments.
Vote:“If the shoe fits, wear it.”
July 30th, 2011 at 9:24 am
“The real crisis will occur not if we *fail* to raise the debt ceiling, but if we **succeed**”
Heard an interview on Kim Hill about 0.5 hour ago, talking about how people say Obama’s not a very good negotiator, cause he always seems to give the Republicans 80-90% of what they want. She’s saying he does it on purpose.
That debt visualisation graphic we’ve seen tells the same story.
Washington politics is completely dysfunctional and the US Constitution evidently left the building a long time ago as the politicians on all sides stopped representing their electorates and started representing those who give them money to stay in power.
And the US MSM does nothing, cause they too depend on the same interest groups for their financial survival.
And some people seem still to think, this really is the land of the free.
However let’s get real here, that’s not important, this is.
Playmates have rushed to defend Hugh Hefner after his former fiancee claimed he only lasted “two seconds in bed”.
Crystal Harris recently claimed the 85-year-old Playboy magnate was a flop in the bedroom.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Reid, Chinese anti-carrier ballistic missiles, an operational unit of those would have the US navy sweating if China and the US came to blows.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Whafe said…
Again, the shit NZ Herald does not have anything on the US of A economic situation
Because the Herald’s kindergarten economic reporters are Keynesian-worshipers. The US problems as many other countries in Europe which are on the brink of bankruptcy have been driven by Keynes economics. Why would the Herald want to report something that completely contradicts their Keynesian religion ? For them, it is better to just ignore the issue and hope it will go away.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Other_Andy Oh, you dislike views that are of the extreme right being pointed out for what they are ?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:46 am
reid
Had a look at the ‘stuxnet’ link…..potentially a problem but somewhat along the lines of ‘A’ creates a better virus, ‘B’ develops a better anti virus. The geek(s) will inherit the Earth.
Of interest on the same page was the list of twelve pieces of technology likely to hit the scrapheap, most within a very few years from their conception. Some are obvious (newspapers, faxes) but others such as Blackberrys & keys could have a short shelf life.
On the bright side I’ve saved a shit load of money by not investing in most of them.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:47 am
It sounds like some bloggers on this site are promoting Sippenhaft to silence opposing views and comments.
Sippenhaft has nothing to do with listing specific quotes from people promoting murder. I’m pointing directly at those responsible.
Sippenhaft is more in line with blaming all “socialists” or Muslims for what a small minority have done.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am
2 hour video on the forces behind communism: who they were and who they are now.
In the shadow of Hermes
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am
@grumpyoldhori
Oh you found it in the dictionary did you?
Vote:You react with a ‘straw man.’
Answering your own question sure saves a lot of time.
I guess Godwin’s Law will make an entry very soon.
July 30th, 2011 at 9:59 am
grumpy that article mentions China’s new anti-ship [read carrier] missile and no doubt it’s got terminal evasion maneuvering capability, just like the Russian Sunburn.
If these missiles really can take out carriers what does that mean for the US ability in force projection. Also China’s strategy of hit hard, fast and early to force the US to stand-off where its planes are less effective, makes sense, as does its motivation: the humiliation from Taiwan in 1998.
The US’ trump card in all of this is that it owns space and without space you can’t operate these days. But how long will that last and secondly, I’m damned sure the Russians have been sharing their knowledge with the Chinese on this (as well as on missile technology) and if you have Russian and Chinese scientists vs US and European ones I’m not sure how long that advantage is going to last.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Does Sippenhaft include the blaming of the descendents seven generations later and expecting these descendents to pay for their forefathers transgressions
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:00 am
PG
Vote:You miss my point but that is nothing new..You didn’t answer my questions.
Other_ Andy
What is your definition of Sippenhaft? I haven’t heard this term before. PG lacks precision so I am hoping for a more accurate explanation from you..thanks.
July 30th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Falafulu Fisi – Sadly you have not accepted that the Herald’s Kindergarten Economic Reporters are Pinko’s through and through, that is a given…
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:02 am
@Pete George
“Sippenhaft has nothing to do with listing specific quotes from people promoting murder. I’m pointing directly at those responsible. ”
You are turning things around.
Vote:There are several European leaders, such as David Cameron, Nicolas Sarkozy, and Angela Merkel, for whom, according to the latter, multiculturalism is an “utter failure.”?
Are they now “extreme right wing” and quilty by association?
July 30th, 2011 at 10:05 am
@miken – you think that deliberate policies such as Blair’s of importing massive numbers of additions to Labour’s client state, to skew the electorate and “rub the Right’s nose in diversity” have nothing to do with the creation of anger and frustration in the native populations of Europe?
I think the wild flailing of left-wingers this week, desperate to assume the status of victim and tar anyone right of Sue Bradford as a violent nut-job only a heartbeat away from gunning children down in the street says everything about what created the conditions for this to happen. So, while the massacre is the gunman’s fault, in the same way as you might blame the thrower of a cigarette butt for a forest fire, something needs to gather a whole heap of combustible stuff together first.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:35 am
James
The only people responsible for the massacre are the perpetrator and anyone who encourages or endorses his views. Your analogy to a forest fire is funny: are you blaming the person who planted the trees?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:37 am
We’re saddled with this savage for the rest of his long criminal life: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5363078/Smirking-teen-admits-murdering-elderly-man
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:52 am
mikenmild
…”Your analogy to a forest fire is funny: are you blaming the person who planted the trees?”….
What’s strange about this analogy? Carry it a step further & the person who cut down all the trees & allowed damaging erosion would be vilified. No less the person who planted the trees with no thought of the long term outcome.
Apply the logic to policies of uncontrolled immigration practised for years by socialist European governments & you end up with today’s situation. The gunman/bomber is responsible for his actions & deserves whatever is coming to him but the politicians & bleeding heart immigrant cuddlers should not escape attention for allowing the mess to develop.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:53 am
@joana
Wikipedia has a good description of Sippenhaft
Sippenhaft or Sippenhaftung (English: “kin liability”) was a form of collective punishment practiced in Nazi Germany towards the end of the Second World War. It was a legalized practice in which relatives of persons accused of crimes against the state were held to share the responsibility for those crimes and subject to arrest and sometimes execution. Many people who had committed no crimes were arrested and punished under Sippenhaft laws introduced after the failed July 20 plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler in July 1944. A law of February 1945 also threatened death to the relatives of military commanders who showed what Hitler regarded as cowardice or defeatism in the face of the enemy.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:53 am
About time this waka is sunk: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10741802&ref=rss
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:57 am
nasska
This would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. A peaceable, tolerant country is to blame because a maniac who disagrees with peace and tolerance commits mass murder?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:04 am
mikenmild
No, that peaceable tolerant country is not to blame, nor its general population. Those socialists determined to impose their views of a world shaped as an ethnic melting pot deserve all the censure it is possible to heap upon them.
I have no intention of blaming the many for the pig headed actions of the few.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Pete George is an almost prototypical example of a “useful idiot” to borrow from Stalin’s terminolgy.
There is a legitimate and relevant debate to be had around “multiculturalism” and the useful idiots of this world are in a most shameful and reprehensible manner using the actions of a Norwegian nutcase as a way to shut this debate down.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:07 am
The Messiah broadcasting his usual lies on all channels: http://michellemalkin.com/2011/07/29/new-obama-motto-yes-we-spam/
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:10 am
nasska
On that basis, the political leaders of Britain and France are to blame for the Second World War, as they failed to stop Germany rearming.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:13 am
mikenmild
Quite possibly. Certainly you could regard it as a contributing factor.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:18 am
I have chosen to comment on here due to the wide ranging debate available and the ability of most here to not let personal ideologues totally dominate their posting. Pursuing other blogs listed in the index it strikes me how lucky this site is in that we can fight in words for days at a time yet still share a joke together
Vote:P G gets as frustrated as me when he can not get traction on important issues
that is our problem not of this blog
July 30th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Griff if everyone here thought like me, we’d have really good debates I reckon, instead of the utter crap we normally get.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:25 am
No, what I’m saying is that there is always going to be some unhinged idiot with the potential to grab a gun and shoot lots of people in any society. The policies of deliberate mass-immigration and “multi-culti” in Europe were inevitably going to cause anger and resentment among a lot of native citizens, but they weren’t important to the political elites, which of course deepens the anger and resentment still further.
I am not, repeat not, defending Anders Whatshisname. I am saying that the two words that best describe this massacre to me are “sad inevitability”.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Pete George is right, there are those of the extreme right in NZ who take great joy in the killing of some kids by a cowardly crusader who when the cops arrived did not even have the guts to take them on.
And yes we do have some very sick puppies in this country from the extreme right.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:29 am
@reid
Vote:I hope everyone thinks different life without debate is boring in the extreme
we all have different life experiences that effects our own reality to debate is to share life experience with others
July 30th, 2011 at 11:35 am
@ grumpyoldhori – have a read of this post and the 280 comments that follow it, and you’ll see that there are some equally sick puppies on the Left…
http://thestandard.org.nz/the-violent-right/
Loonies come in all political persuasions.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:52 am
It’s probably been said before.. but would we be so united in our condemnation of Anders.. If he had done this terrible deed in a muslim islamic country.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:55 am
It’s a bit run of the mill in some of those countries RKBee.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
James Stephenson great reasoning, because the arrival of extreme right visitors to NZ upsets we hori we would have reason to slot a few ?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Interesting little piece I thought about China’s military capabilities:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/china-plan-to-beat-u-s
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@grumpyoldhori
“….because the arrival of extreme right visitors to NZ upsets we hori we would have reason to slot a few ?”
Well, sh*t did happen.
And they weren’t even ‘extreme right’ (I think).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyd_massacre
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/page/first-contact-between-maori-and-europeans
(And yes, there are also countless examples of “Europeans” attacking and killing Maori.)
I hope we have “progressed” a bit since then.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
That Standard piece shows the usual confusion over left and right. In the MSM the term “right” is used as a brainless synonym for “racist” and serves as a politically useful smear.
As Norman Tebbit said this week, being right wing is about freedom not violence.
There is nothing remotely right-wing about that Norwegian nutter. He is a lefty through and through. His complaint is not that the state interferes too much but that it doesn’t interfere enough by restricting people’s freedom to live and work where they choose.
As a genuine right-winger myself I can say quite catagorically that it is none of my business who lives next door to me, where he was born, what magical pixie he worships or what ethnicity his circle of friends is. John Key said recently that those poor refugees were ‘not welcome’ in New Zealand. Well, here’s the thing John, it makes no difference to me if you or one of them buys the house next door to me. Provided you don’t let your dog shit on my lawn we’ll get along fine.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Email from Norway.
We are stockpiling and caching weapons, ammunition and equipment. This is going to happen fast.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
I’m not sure if shrinking brains instead heads is progress.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
British Doctors Say Something Sensible Shock
“Bicycle helmets should not be compulsory, say doctors”
If people are forced to wear helmets they may give up cycling altogether and lose the health benefits of regular exercise, they warned.
More than two thirds of the [British Medical Journal's] readers said they opposed compulsory helmets for adults.
One respondent in the poll of 1,427 people said: “It gives out the message that cycling is dangerous, which it is not. The evidence that cycling helmets work to reduce injury is not conclusive.
“What has, however, been shown is that laws that make wearing helmets compulsory decrease cycling activity. Cycling is a healthy activity and cyclists live longer on average than non-cyclists.”
Another added: “Since nowhere with a helmet law can show any reduction in risk to cyclists, only a reduction in cyclists, why would anyone want to bring in a law for something which is clearly not effective at reducing the risk to cyclists?”
Australia made it illegal to not wear a helmet in 1991 but Sydney University researchers have called for the law to be repealed, arguing that the fall in head injuries was down to road safety improvements, rather than the new law.
They also cited figures from Western Australia which suggested that the legislation led to a 30 per cent drop in cycling rates.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8669773/Bicycle-helmets-should-not-be-compulsory-say-doctors.html
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@RKBee
“I’m not sure if shrinking brains instead heads is progress.”
Well, I did say “I hope……”
Compared to the US, Europe, Asia and the ME we sure live in God’s (*) own.
* Insert preferred deity
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
David Thorne’s latest article. PC zealots and catlovers would be well advised not to click on the link.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Broke! 10 Facts About The Financial Condition Of American Families That Will Blow Your Mind
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/07/26/broke-10-facts-about-the-financial-condition-of-american-families-that-will-blow-your-mind/
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
A tyrant’s vain dream. He’ll be dead long before: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110729/D9OP5SEO0.html
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Pete George (10,650) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Polygamy won’t be allowed here. We’ll just stick with our culture that includes unfaithful partners and adultery.
We already have obedient wives clubs, I’ve seen newly wedded wives pledge obedience in church.
yeh yeh but Pete have you ever tried to get one to behave like that??
and mention another women and they reach for their lawyer. and your cheque book.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
James Stephenson , Nasska , Other_Andy , Andrei..good posts..and thanks for the info Andy.
Vote:MnM
The myth of a tolerant peaceful Norway is a bit like the myth of a tolerant peaceful Malaysia..It is a myth. In recent times , we have been expected to believe that Norwegians and their history are ”purer than driven snow.” Not so . I don’t think a purer than driven snow country exists anywhere on this planet..People who think their country has this kind of history are deluding themselves. Norwegians are very anti semitic as their history during the second world war demonstrates. Many of the Jewish people who fled Norway for Sweden at this time , never returned. There is now a very small population of Jewish people mainly in Oslo. They are worried that somehow they may be made responsible for these attacks. The Nazis referred to their Norwegian men as ”Big , blond , killing machines.” The socialists at their camp were encouraging children and others to boycott Israel. The foreign minister was there the day before the shooting to preach this message.
Driven snow..no sorry…I can understand people wanting to believe myths especially at a time of great shock and sorrow.
July 30th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
V2
…”have you ever tried to get one to behave like that??”…
Tends to stretch the imagination a bit. Most NZ wives look upon prospective husbands a little like they view a lump of kaolin clay. Uninspiring as a raw material but suitably moulded, poked & fired up, suitable for purpose until something better comes along.
No, successful polygamy would take subjection of females, dressing them to look like bags of laundry, preventing their education, legalised beatings & a form of institutionalised downgrading of their worth as human beings.
Probably some sort of stone age religion would fit the bill but where would you find one? Oh wait!!
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Peewee Gee’s 907 says it all really.
He defends the “other” while knocking his own. All the while pretending to be the broad minded liberal.
Well for what it’s worth to you multicultural secularists out there,if we are multicultural like the PM and so many other idiots say we are then tear up the constitution and allow polygamy and any other gamy while you’re about it. Blokes can almost marry blokes for goodness sake.
And let’s keep girls out of scholl,better still kill them at birth, burn widows,eat prisoners of war and keep slaves.After all these are or were until relatively recently “cultural” practices in many parts of the world.
Just remember if it’s western it’s bad, if “foreign” it’s OK,Muslim better still.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
joana great knowledge of history , the Norwegians were nasty bastards so Jews in Norway fucked off to Sweden.
Vote:Had nothing to do with the Germans invading ?
Boycott Israel, why not, unless you believe they have a right to our passports
July 30th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Scrapheap looms for $2m waka
The $2 million Rugby World Cup waka could be sent to the scrapheap soon after it stars as a Government-backed tourist attraction during the tournament.
The giant 75m-long “Waka Maori” will promote culture for 11 days at a cost of $1.9 million to taxpayers and $100,000 to the Auckland iwi Ngati Whatua o Orakei.
The Weekend Herald has also discovered an email from Herewini Te Koha, a top official of Te Puni Kokiri (the Ministry of Maori Development), who wrote to Auckland counterparts and tribal leaders about the political cost to Dr Sharples of supporting the waka project.
“The key issue is that the minister has cashed significant chips with Cabinet to get the Waka Maori concept approved, funding allocated and Ngati Whatua ownership accepted.”
…
Mana Party leader Hone Harawira …”The expenditure of $2 million on a plastic waka which will only be there for 11 days, cost $130,000 a year to store and $50,000 every time somebody wants to use it? That’s what I call a colossal waste of money.”
When the project was revealed in April, Labour MP Shane Jones likened the waka to plastic kitchenware, dubbing it the “tupperwaka” and a nauseating gift to a hapu.
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10741802
Rugby World Cup – Maori politicians – local iwi
Vote:What was ever going to be right about this whucking muck up?
July 30th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Joana
Good points thanks but I’m keeping my head down on the specifics of the Norwegian tragedy. I’ve a gut feeling that there is still a lot more information to work its way to the surface.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
grumpyoldhori (1,941) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Pete George is right, there are those of the extreme right in NZ who take great joy in the killing of some kids by a cowardly crusader who when the cops arrived did not even have the guts to take them on.
And yes we do have some very sick puppies in this country from the extreme right.
Well honorable hori, roll out some names so we can decide of you are right or wrong.
Bet you won’t.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Grumpy,
Many Norwegians collaborated with the Nazis. They are still very anti semitic. As a Dutch friend says , they are a much more closed society than some others in Europe.
Israelis are fighting for their survival..the passports are a small matter when all and sundry around you want to ”drive you into the sea.” Their words , not mine.
The socialist idea of tolerance is ” Tolerate everyone , except the Jewish people.” The marriage between the socialists and the muslims is about as fated as Charles and Di’s improbable union. The liberals in Egypt are finding this out about now with the muslim Brohood pushing their own agenda.. Disollusionment and worse awaits anyone who sympathizes with the muslims.
Kowtow
Vote:A muslim in the ME recently killed six of his daughters..honour killings one and all. Afterwards , he said ..he would do it all again. See Winds of Jihad site.
July 30th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
On the bright side I’ve saved a shit load of money by not investing in most of them.
nasska, coltan and platinum is what I go for.
BTW, in case anyone missed my previous post, this is
Vote:one ofthe best explanationsof the ruthless forces behind communism I have ever seen.July 30th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
joana
If you have a few spare minutes you may find this blog interesting: http://plancksconstant.org/
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Immigration is good how else are we going to replace those we loose to the outside world
Vote:how ever we would be unwise to allow to many of one group to emigrate here who refuse to take part in our society
The wearing of burqa is not the problem it is the culture that stands behind it that causes the problem
July 30th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
grumpyoldhori says: “there are those of the extreme right in NZ who take great joy in the killing of some kids by a cowardly crusader”
Really? Time to front up, GOH. Names please.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Many Norwegians collaborated with the Nazis. They are still very anti semitic. As a Dutch friend says , they are a much more closed society than some others in Europe…
The socialist idea of tolerance is ” Tolerate everyone , except the Jewish people.”
I think joanna re: the Norwegians it’s fairer to say they tolerate everyone except those who don’t tolerate others.
Norway as I’ve linked to before, is about to recognise the Palestinian state and has done historically all sorts of things to throw it off-side with all the millions if not billions of Israel-firsters around the world.
My question is: why do said Israel-firsters consider that a crime or a big deal in anyway. Isn’t a free country allowed to have its own opinion?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
http://truebluenz.com/2011/07/30/the-left-history-warns-that-they-will-kill-us-all/#comment-6715
The Left- History Warns That They Will Kill Us All
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
reid
…”Isn’t a free country allowed to have its own opinion?”…
At the risk of nit picking that could be a very dangerous assumption. The people of the country may have opinions that are all over the place. The best that could be said is that the majority of a democratic country hold XYZ opinion on a certain subject at a particular time.
Agree that rare, not necessarily precious metals, are a good investment, especially if you hold them physically “under the bed” as opposed to collectively on paper. The way I see it, if the USD goes tits up a row of figures at the bottom of a bank statement will represent a lousy investment.
Started to watch the film but at 2hrs in length it will have to wait until I’ve got uncommitted time.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2011/07/30/help-me-sue-for-defamation-and-ill-give-you-10/
Want to earn some money?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
The best that could be said is that the majority of a democratic country hold XYZ opinion on a certain subject at a particular time.,
Was talking about Norway’s various positions in the UN etc over time. Oslo Accord, etc.
Agree that rare, not necessarily precious metals, are a good investment, especially if you hold them physically “under the bed” as opposed to collectively on paper. The way I see it, if the USD goes tits up a row of figures at the bottom of a bank statement will represent a lousy investment.
Coltan is vital in cell phone aerials and platinum in hydrogen fuel cells. That’s why I do that.
I agree that movie is a significant time investment. Unusually for me, it kept getting betting and better in terms of explicating the brutality and tragedy of what happened which also makes it almost unwatchable in some parts, but the raw information of what and how it happened, is the point. History repeats, when we forget it.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
reid
That movie. Is there a short summary of it anywhere? It’s a bit long at 2 hours worth.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
mm, no.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Harsh words on the incompetent Messiah: “The fact is, he’s good at dismantling. He’s good at critiquing. He’s good at not being the last guy, the one you didn’t like. But he’s not good at building, creating, calling into being. He was good at summoning hope, but he’s not good at directing it and turning it into something concrete that answers a broad public desire.
http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Thanks for the link Nasska.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
reid
Never mind. I watched the first 15 minutes; no need to see the rest.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Yes mm, I anticipated some would stop there. Sad, for you. It does get better, as I said. I’m quite surprised you were one of those, though.
History repeats, when you forget it and also obviously, when you don’t even know it in the first place.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
reid
Well, it was going down the old Jew-Freemasons-Illuminati conspiracy track. Who’s got time for that?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
And it continues to mm but which fact he cites in the movie can you disprove?
He gives historical names, dates, places, financial reports, media reports, et al.
Data.
Go ahead, prove it’s wrong.
BTW, just because it challenges one or more of your operating paradigms, doesn’t mean it’s not true. Ignore cognitive dissonance and concentrate on the data and by all means, disprove any of the names, dates and places he gives us.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Wow I am in moderation over at Red Alert. I am guessing for comments here and at the Dim-Post as far as I know I have never had a comment deleted at Red Alert and although I don’t comment often I am fairly sure I wasn’t in moderation last time I commented. Not sure if I should laugh or really really laugh, particularly ironic was that I was commenting on Clare Currens moderation post.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Moderation is de rigueur at Red Alert IH.
Sad isn’t it, in the very blogger heartland of the NZ lefty, to have a policy which apparently doesn’t tolerate intruders a.k.a. meme disputers, in their lair.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
What puzzles me about their moderation is where they find the time and why they bother.
Moderation here is almost unheard of and we have some robust debates and slanging matches and plenty of robust criticism without too many getting their shirts in a tangle.
Their moderation actually detracts from the purpose of the blog and from the wealth of information that comes from wide ranging debate.
It seems that Clare and Trev either think their posters and readers are precious little beings that must be shielded from the big world or that no one must criticize nor challenge their belief system.
Clare’s statement that it should be able to be read by an Intermediate child makes me wonder just why they would want an Intermediate age child to be frequenting their blog. Either its part of indoctrination al la Norway Camp style or thats the level of maturity they expect of their supporters, who go to read the blurb.
Maybe both but either way it is out right insulting to their visitors.
Given what they also dish out to others when it suits it remains rather precious to censor everything others may wish to write.
Vote:For in this case moderation is another word for censorship.
It gives us a good view of their thinking when it comes to freedom in NZ.
July 30th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Does the the cause of the US debt problem relate to the US militaristic spending? Just curious.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
viking2 @3.15pm – why do provide a link to a “blog” that makes cowardly attacks on DPF ?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
The second story on our so called news this evening was about a flooded toilet FFS.
No other news in the world apparently
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Rodders
Obviously the quite room has had a clean out and and the saddest man in the NZ blogosphere has his internet connection restored.
Still laugh at Reds banner quoting Eric Blair
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
@Pauleastbay
The news?
Oh you mean the carefully selected, edited and politicised pieces by our moral guardians that tell us what the next ‘hip’, ‘cool’, ‘in’ and politically correct standpoint is and should be. Aren’t we peasants lucky to have ‘journalists’ that can tell us what is real, important and above all right.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
The second story on our so called news this evening was about a flooded toilet FFS.
Crikey Paul, whereabouts was it? Was everyone OK? It didn’t hold up the Sport segment(s) did it? It did? Oh the humanity.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
This married couple is on holiday in Pakistan. They’re touring around
the market place looking at the goods and such, when they pass this
small sandal shop.
From inside they hear a gentleman with a Pakistani accent say “I welcome
you, foreigners! Come in, come in to my humble shop. Salam a leekem!”
So the married couple walks in.
The Pakistani man says to them “I have some special sandals
I think you’d be interested in. They make you wild at sex like a great
desert camel.”
The wife after hearing this is really interested in buying the sandals,
but her husband feels he really doesn’t need them, being the sex god
that he is. So the husband says to the Pakistani, “How could sandals
make you into a sex freak?”
The Pakistani replies “Just try them on.”
The husband, after much badgering from his wife, finally concedes to try
them on. As he does, he gets this wild look in his eyes, something his
wife has not seen in many years; raw sexual power. In a blink of the
eye, the husband rushes the Pakistani man, throws him on a table and
starts tearing at the guys pants.
All the time the Pakistani man is screaming “Stop, stop! You’ve got them
Vote:on the wrong feet!”
July 30th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Cheers, mate. I followed your link and owned myself.
At least I will get the 10%!
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Luc
It’s probably not enough. John Ansell might struggle to find your comment. I think you need to post a specific accusation right on his blog. Maybe then he wouldn’t find it, but you’d be giving him a chance.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
There are three things in life that are certain -
Vote:Death,
Taxes,
and that if you load up Windows Media Player and the volume control is set right down to 2 or 5 out of 100, it means that the last person on there was watching porn.
July 30th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
White collars back on the All Black jersey, yes.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
nasska, 7.00pm, haha, so not PC!
Hey! I’ve got a good one for you.
Did you hear the one about the East Bengali girl, 17, farmer’s daughter, who was told by her father to follow the footsteps of centuries of ancestors and, in the off-season, go to West Bengal to seek work.
Trouble is, East Bengal is now Bangladesh and West Bengal is in India, thanks to yet another arbitrary border drawn by the colonial European power, and, thanks to poverty in East Bengal and the impending climate change refugees crisis, is increasingly guarded by a barbed wire fence.
Anyway, the girl slipped and ended up dangling upside down in the fence, with an audience of Indian soldiers.
The punchline?
The Indian soldiers used her for target practice.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
the impending climate change refugees crisis
Do I interpret you correctly Luc as saying AGW will bring about huge population movements due to rising sea levels etc?
Is that what you’re saying?
In what sort of timeframe are we talking here?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Luc
They sure take their border protection seriously over there. I agree that many borders in the Middle East & South East Asia were poorly drawn by the departing colonial powers. I fully support the native people being encouraged to redefine the borders of their lands.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Hey GrumpyOldIdiot, good news for you, all the leaders of the Turkish General Staff have resigned which has likely neutered the armed forces, the central plank for Turkish secularism. You can go and sign up to their Army now, though you might be disappointed when you get shipped off to Iran after Erdogan’s neo-Ottoman inclinations get the better of him.
“Awwwwwww shit cuz, this don’t look like Haifa!”
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Friendship Between Women:
A woman didn’t come home one night. The next day she told her husband
that she had slept over at a girlfriend’s house. The man called his wife’s
10 best friends. None of them knew anything about it.
Friendship Between Men:
A man didn’t come home one night. The next day he told his wife that he had
Vote:slept over at a buddy’s house. The woman called her husband’s 10 best
friends. Eight of them confirmed that he had slept over, and two
claimed that he was still there.
July 30th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
An army private went to see the Medical Captain for a new pair
of glasses. The Captain looked in his book of record and said,
“But you just got a new pair last month!”
“Yes sir, b.. b.. but I got them b..broken in an accident,”
stammered the private.
“Accident, what kind of an accident?” The Captain looked in his
book of Accident definitions and glossaries, “Road-march
accident, Firing Range accident, PT accident, Drill accident?”
“No, no nothing of those…” said the private.
“Well then, what is it?”
“I’d rather not tell you sir…”
“Well, no satisfactory explanations, no new glasses,” said the
medical officer, ready to stand up, “I’ve to see my patients
now.”
“No, no sir wait, I broke them when I was kissing my girl,”
blurted the private.
“Don’t be daft man, how could you break your glasses kissing
a girl?”
“Well, she crossed her legs.”
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Do I interpret you correctly Luc as saying AGW will bring about huge population movements due to rising sea levels etc?
How come Luc hasn’t got back to me yet?
You’d think he’d have such facts as rising sea-level-p.a.-by-country at his fingertips, wouldn’t you. I’m amazed he hasn’t learned NZ’s figures off by heart. Maybe it’s so bad, Luc just doesn’t want to tell us, lest we panic and not turn up for work on Monday or indeed ever again.
If so, thanks Luc, for keeping us in the dark re: this, most appreciated. I like turning up for work on Monday. It’s wonderful.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
I dont think preety boy carter could kick his own balls at the moment, but as my wife said THE REAL BOKS ARE MUCH BIGGER AND FASTER, ps she raised her voice
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Common Luc. You can’t hide under the skirts of She Who Must Be Obeyed for the rest of the night.
Out you come & take your medicine from reid.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
I’ve been putting the nearly three year old to sleep, guys, you know, stories and songs, God, I’m sick of Twinkle Twinkle little fucking star!
Anyway, let me get a beer and I’ll be back, OK?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Luc – why don’t you discuss Middle East politics with your son?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
I’m coming, reid, but first:
nasska said
Really? So you support Tuhoe autonomy demands?
Good for you.
And the desire of the Pashtun (Taleban) to reunite their lands ripped apart by yet another colonial line drawn on a map?
Good for you.
And, of course, the desire of the Palestinians to redefine their borders as they were for thousands of years, between the river and the sea?
Good for you.
You know, we could get on!
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Rodders, the three yo is a girl.
With my sons, who are considerably older, of the order of decades, don’t worry, I have, and more besides.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Yes.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
I guess the question is the scale of population movements, given the very slow nature of rises in sea level.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Hey Hurf, Erdogan won just over 50% of the vote. And his third win in a row, after being released from the jail of the generals.
Pretty clear mandate, wouldn’t you say?
And why should a Muslim nation be secularist? One thing I admire about Islam is that it encapsulates everything humans need: moral guidance and a legal system.
Of course, I would like to see some tweaking done to the moral guidance and the legal system, although polygamy sounds pretty good to me, although not, I suspect, to my wife, and I think the requirement to protect women has been taken more than a bit too far, but can you name a western system that is so comprehensive and so simple?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Luc
The Tuhoe red herring went that a way.
The mistake made by the imperial powers was to divide their former empires along religious & then ethnic lines but ignore the tribal factions & age old allegiances. If left to their own devices much of the fertile crescent would split along these lines. The result would be many small Islamic fiefdoms squabbling amongst themselves as they have for ages past.
They would be happy with small tribal wars & we could get on with living life.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
I’m not so sure about polygamy. I think one wife at a time is more than enough for most guys.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
mikenmild
It”s not that slow. Currently, sea level rise refugees are being accommodated as IDPs. I use the terms refugees and IDPs interchangeably.
The rate has doubled from last century. On NASA’s latest measurements, unfortunately from a satellite less than a decade in operation, the rate of ice mass loss has doubled in the last 8 years, which implies a sea level rise of perhaps five metres this century.
Just how fast is fast?
Are we really going to rebuild CHCH in situ?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Fantastic. What’s that got to do with the price of beans?
Yes, I can see how such a religion would be attractive to a far-left extremist. And here I was, thinking all organised religion was a regrettable little social construct. You’re a fan of that concept, right?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
nasska said
What ignorant crap!
The British just drew convenient lines, in some cases even cutting through villages!
Have you ever read a book by a non-western historian or commentator?
And the rest of your post illustrates what I keep pointing out here: the ideology of the “White Man’s Burden’ is alive and well in Kiwiblogosphere!
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
I’m not saying it won’t be a serious problem, but in terms of large amounts of refugees I’m not sure that it will be worse than what we see periodicially from wars and famines, etc.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Luc thanks for the acknowledgement I’m on the right track but you missed out the bit where I asked you about calamity levels and timeframes and I’m puzzled so could you fill us in, calamity level and timeframe wise?
Ta.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Luc
..”The British just drew convenient lines, in some cases even cutting through villages!”.
They were lines on a map.
…”Have you ever read a book by a non-western historian or commentator?”…
No.
…”the “White Man’s Burden’ is alive and well in Kiwiblogosphere!”…
Yes
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Hurf, surely a far left extremist is, in your terms, socialist?
Muslims are not socialist!
Have you ever looked at Islamic Finance?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Did I ever equate the two concepts?
Once again, Mr Hansen, your insanity has clouded your judgement and resulted in your regurgitation of discredited postcolonial lunacy. That beer must have really got into your bloodstream.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
So the simplicity appeals does it Luc ? That figures.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
nasska
You condemn yourself.
mikenmild/reid
Let’s look at a one metre sea level rise. Even the conservative current estimates, given the BAU scenario, are for a sea level rise of 1m by, say, 2060. And they don’t estimate the effect of melting ice because it is an unknown quantity!
That will displace about 200 million (from memory) Bangladeshis purely from intruding water, let alone economic distress.
Additionally, 600 million people live in cities at threat of inundation from a one metre sea level rise.
Someone said Long Island will become Short Island.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Gillard has just chopped the malingerers and the too fat to work types. Gees that will cause an influx of them back here. Close the gates.
AN estimated four out of every 10 people currently eligible for the Disability Support Pension would fail to qualify for the payment under sweeping reforms to the welfare benefit to be unveiled by the Gillard government today.
In the biggest ever crackdown on the burgeoning DSP, the government will today publish proposed new “impairment tables” used to judge who is eligible to claim the benefit, worth $729.30 a fortnight for singles.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gillard-tightens-disability-pension/story-fn59niix-1226104617671
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
I’m trying to work out what Hurf’s problem is with my response.
Turkey’s secularism was dependent on the oppression of the army, according to Hurf. And I agree. Now Turkey is realising the wishes of the majority of its people. Surely Hurf, a dedicated democrat, should be celebrating?
And nasska, ask Tama Iti if that is a red herring!
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
@Luc Hansen (2,935) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
“And why should a Muslim nation be secularist? One thing I admire about Islam is that it encapsulates everything humans need: moral guidance and a legal system.”
Lol Luc, you’re bending over backwards so far you could do da limbo eh!
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Rodders (1,112) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
viking2 @3.15pm – why do provide a link to a “blog” that makes cowardly attacks on DPF ?
For this reason.
grumpyoldhori (1,942) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Pete George is right, there are those of the extreme right in NZ who take great joy in the killing of some kids by a cowardly crusader who when the cops arrived did not even have the guts to take them on.
And yes we do have some very sick puppies in this country from the extreme right.
Go read what Red has to say. Stupid old hori was clearly suggesting that people from the extreme right supported the killing of 76 people.
Well Red is considered by many as extreme right. So read what he has to say about the coward that performed those executions.
Apart from that DPF is very capable of defending himself if the need arises and is well capable of demriting RED and others when he considers it appropriate. Meanwhile many of us like to read widely and consider others opinions. Pity a lot more don’t.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
I’d like to make an appropriate analogy so you can wrap your tiny intellect around these concerns more easily, but you’d have a little cry about Godwin’s Law so I won’t bother.
Let’s just say it’s not as simple as it plays out in Lucworld, but as Joana says, it figures that simplicity appeals to you.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Luc
They’re Turks. Military dictatorship or Islamo-facists. We can’t lose – there’ll always be a reason to hate them.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Correction: the figure above should have been 20 million.
Export Dry is such a lovely drop!
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
joana @ 10:06pm – unfair comment. Luc’s opinions may not be everyones’s cup of tea, but he does provide reasoning for why he has formed his views.
V2 @ 10:19pm – Redbaiter was a obnoxious arsehole and I’m glad he is gone from here.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Excuse me, Milktoast, I would appreciate it if you ceased using such loaded and inaccurate terminology. It’s sad you’ve made such common cause with a violent extremist.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
V2
Redbaiter’s argument boils down to blaming socialists for everything, either directly through stalinist regimes or indirectly by provoking mass murderers in Norway.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
“Have you ever looked at Islamic Finance?”…?.
…shit,Luc,have you…?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Luc, please keep up. AGW has been completely and utterly discredited and as each day goes by more and more scurrilous altered information is exposed.
The emperor has no clothes anymore.
Even the press has given up talking about it.
the Carbon market has collapsed.
The USA can’t afford it.
BMW’s use less carbon than Prious.
Windmills ain’t economic without stealing from the taxpayer to subsidize them.
The list goes on.
Oh and by the way, shouldn’t you give up beer??
Vote:Think of the carbon saving you would make.
we could all then have an extra beer.
July 30th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
sbk
Yes.
There are some very attractive aspects to it. Muslims do not pay interest under Islamic Finance. It has huge potential for a post-capitalist world. No more usury.
Yes, guys and gals, one day our descendants will live in such a world!
Don’t ask me what shape it will be – hopefully not pear-shaped.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Rodders (1,113) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
V2 @ 10:19pm – Redbaiter was a obnoxious arsehole and I’m glad he is gone from here.
yep he could be but he had a clear point of view.
In his post today he is very clear about what he thinks of the actions of that individual. Actions which the old hori insinuated that people like Red are capable of. Not only was it cowardly but it was also untrue as you would see if you read the post.
Grumpy continually tries these smears on and the runs away to milk the cows.
Problem is that you refuse to think about what he says in any depth because it doesn’t suit your comfortable existence and by the time you do it will be to late they will have come to take you away.
mm
Vote:Well what’s wrong with that logic? He demonstrates its truth quite ably. Go argue it with him if you are capable of refuting what he says. But that would be tooo hard wouldn’t it!
July 30th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
V2 said “Problem is that you refuse to think about what he says in any depth because it doesn’t suit your comfortable existence and by the time you do it will be to late they will have come to take you away”
I’m afraid Google Translate can’t cope with that gem
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Luc Hansen (2,938) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
There are some very attractive aspects to it. Muslims do not pay interest under Islamic Finance. It has huge potential for a post-capitalist world. No more usury.
Really, I don’t think you have checked this out at all. There is always a quid pro quo. No religious organization lets ypu off without paying a tithe somehow.
Vote:Oh it may not be called interest but it is extracted. After all they learnt it from the Catholics from whence they came.
July 30th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
V2
Next we’ll be hearing it’s part of the Jewish conspiracy that reid was on about earlier.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Rodders (1,114) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
V2 said “Problem is that you refuse to think .
Vote:Yep got it in one.
July 30th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
V2
Almost all developed nations are governed by one of two conservative political parties, including Kiwiland.
Perhaps Gillard understands her tenure may be shorter than the nominal parliamentary term, so she is setting out to do some dirty work for her successors (like cutting free fruit for school kids. Yes, really! 70c per day per kid. Sooo expensive!)
Just like Labour should have done in its last term. It was dog tucker from a long way out. It should have instituted a comprehensive CGT and a good hike to the minimum wage.
Helen’s biggest mistake.
I’ll get back to you soon on your carbon rant.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
mikenmild (1,431) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Next we’ll be hearing it’s part of the Jewish conspiracy that reid was on about earlier.
Well not from me although they are all descended from the same religious cult, just had differences in interpretation and power along the way. Nothing’s changed.
Vote:Still a battle for riches and power.
July 30th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
No V2. I just find you condescending.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
V2 has read “The Merchant of Venice” and got confused.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
“There are some very attractive aspects to it.”…depends..,but usually,it ends up funding the extremists.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Luc Hansen (2,939) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Perhaps Gillard understands her tenure may be shorter than the nominal parliamentary term, so she is setting out to do some dirty work for her successors (like cutting free fruit for school kids. Yes, really! 70c per day per kid. Sooo expensive!)
And also unnecessary, even in NZ. Stealing from the taxpayer should be made a capital offense. In this case its often twice, once for a benefit and again to feed the kid. Take it out of the benefit.
Just like Labour should have done in its last term. It was dog tucker from a long way out. It should have instituted a comprehensive CGT and a good hike to the minimum wage.
CGT will not produce any tax of any magnitude. Plenty of research for you to look up and I am not going to do your work for you. So when it failed to produce the required many millions where are you going to get the next lot from??
Oh that’s right you will raise the minimum wage so you can tax those poor bastards if they still have a job to go to,more as they suffer from bracket creep. Just like that Masterful “Poor Prick Cullen” did to everyone.
You don’t think about consequences do you??
Helen’s biggest mistake. Accepting Cullen as Minister of finance. Raising the tax rates.
Vote:Killed NZ commerce dead in the water. Now look where we are.
July 30th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
V2
So do you question the validity of the science or just the effectiveness of policy options?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Next we’ll be hearing it’s part of the Jewish conspiracy that reid was on about earlier.
It had nothing to do with Jews in any way whatsoever, as you’d know mm, if you’d watched more than 0.1% of it.
Until you’ve watched the entire thing, I won’t be responding to your questions or comments on it, and one understands, that may never happen.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
V2 has read “The Merchant of Venice” and got confused.
ah no.
Rodders (1,115) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
No V2. I just find you condescending.
Vote:tough titty. you are afraid to challenge your thinking that’s all. Play what ifs if you like. Its all the rage.
July 30th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
I am so grateful that V2 comes here to address us lesser mortals.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
V2
You like a zero tax system?
You know, back in the old days, one just raised a posse or an army when one could, if one could afford to pay.
Yes?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Luc Hansen (2,941) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
So do you question the validity of the science or just the effectiveness of policy options?
Well the science is thoroughly discredited now (you haven’t noticed of course), so now that is the case then policy issues are no longer relevant.
Perhaps we could get on with deciding what policy is appropriate to deal with the earths naturally changing dynamics, e.g. Droughts, Famines,too much rain, La Nina and El nino, denuding the land of its forests to the detrement of both people and the land.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Rodders (1,116) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
I am so grateful that V2 comes here to address us lesser mortals.
Thankyou I appreciate that.
The mind is like a parachute, only any good when it is open.
Sure you have heard that before and its still true.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
sbk
Depends on your concept of extremist, don’t you think?
For example, Hezbollah was formed to resist Israel’s invasion and belligerent occupation of Lebanon, which was intended to realise the longstanding Zionist desire to make the Litani River Israel’s northern border.
They are mainstream Muslims. Are they extremists?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
“The mind is like a parachute, only any good when it is open”
At both ends?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Luc Hansen (2,942) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
You like a zero tax system?
You know, back in the old days, one just raised a posse or an army when one could, if one could afford to pay.
Just like the Muslims do now??
Well no.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Puke’s support for extremist Hezbollah just shows how extremist Mr Hansen is. And yet, he is incapable of recognising this. Sad.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
V2 said
Really?
Which national science academy agrees with that?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Other peoples idea’s are just as valid as yours.
The test is to challenge both.
The yardstick is where your beliefs are.
Are they in the right place or do they need to change based on new learning?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
G’nite gentlemen
P.S. here is some bedtime listening (there’s Bertrand Russell there too)
Vote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9
July 30th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
“Always keep an open mind,” said Bertrand Russell, “but never so open that others can fill it with rubbish.”
Kiwiblog excels in rubbish.
Hurf, I take it you would have been fervently opposed to the actions of the French Resistance?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Which national science academy agrees with that?
Vote:Watch and see as the funding is closed off.
July 30th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth’s atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space. Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth’s atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space than the alarmist computer models predict.
Vote:http://blogs.forbes.com/jamestaylor/2011/07/27/new-nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-in-global-warming-alarmism/
July 30th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Is this aimed at me?
If so, what in modern science entails belief, pray tell?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
“Always keep an open mind,” said Bertrand Russell, “but never so open that others can fill it with rubbish.”
Like Global warming??
Seems you should have listened to the man. You have been conned in the biggest con ever perpetuated on the population of the world other than of course Religion.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Luc. no.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Extremist Luc Hansen fails to see the stupidity of his moral equivilency. Of course, he enjoys this: more than once Mr Hansen has compared the FR to the Taliban, an organisation that hangs children on suspicion of spying. Mr Hansen’s tacit support for these heinous acts only build on existing concerns about his well-founded extremism.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
is it racist to mispronounce Maori words in front of Maori work colleagues ?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Golly gee whiz, Batman, I need to work on my sentence structure. Mr Hansen’s extremism is illogical and foolish. Sort it out, Hurf.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
Hurf, you obviously haven’t caught up with the documented atrocities of the FR.
Not on the same scale as the Taliban, for sure, and I do not defend the Taliban for that.
But we have killed far more Afghans that the Taliban ever have, with our guns and our bombs.
How do you justify that?
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
V2
Ah ha.
No refutation of the actual science, then?
Pity.
There’s a Nobel Prize waiting.
Vote:July 30th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Mr Hansen’s refusal to explicitely condemn heinous terrorist actions by organisations he refers to as “national liberation groups,” presumably to hark back to his wasted youth, reflect his delusion and his preparedness to apologise for criminal acts. Additionally, his moral equivilency refuses to allow him to clearly view his extremism through a prism of stability. This equivilency likely stems from a naive idealism developed during the afore-mentioned wasted youth.
Vote:July 31st, 2011 at 12:29 am
Hurf uses the term ‘terrorism’ as a tactic to forestall the use of the other “t” word, “thinking”.
And Hurf knows full well that I condemn all attacks on civilians.
But, in the world according to Hurf, there are civilians and there are, well civilians. Some civilians are more civilian that others, yes?
The FR executed many, many civilians suspected of collaborating with the Nazis – as we all would, in those circumstances.
And does Hurf condemn the atrocities of Israel, even before Israel became a recognised state? From expelling Britain to Deir Yassin to Cast Lead, Israel is founded upon terrorist actions.
But that’s OK, in the world according to Hurf.
As regards Afghanistan, who cannot but sympathise with the poor civilians, interminably, it seems to us, caught in conflict outside of their control. But short of massive, and I mean massive, occupation, how can we remake the country in our own image?
Instead, we just kill, kill, kill and make things even worse.
Such is the white man’s burden.
Vote:July 31st, 2011 at 1:06 am
…Did you just try and use an oblique reference to the FR to excuse the execution of children by extremists?
That’s low, even for you.
Vote:July 31st, 2011 at 1:23 am
“They are mainstream Muslims.”…” Are they extremists?”
just to make sure we are on the same channel…are you saying that Hezbollah’s stated aim off wiping Israel off the map is mainstream Muslim thinkihg ?
PS define extremist.
Vote:July 31st, 2011 at 1:30 am
I must have missed that one.
But isn’t that ascribed to Ahmadinejad?
he’s the President of Iran, in case you missed it.
PS You define extremist.
You’re the one throwing the word around!
Vote:July 31st, 2011 at 1:37 am
“I must have missed that one.”…yep…
Vote: