Maori participation in tertiary education
July 29th, 2011 at 9:57 am by David FarrarElizabeth Binning at NZ Herald reports:
More than 200 tertiary providers will meet in Auckland today to find ways of getting more Maori students into tertiary education.
That’s an interesting goal. Here are the latest tertiary education participation rates (2009) for four ethnic groups, alphabetically – Asians, Europeans, Maori and Pasifika.
In order of best to worst, here are the four participation rates – 17%, 13%, 12%, 11%.
Your challenge is to match them up.
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July 29th, 2011 at 10:05 am
My guess:
Asians – 17%, Europeans – 12%, Maori – 13%, and Pasifika – 11%
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Quality not quantity. A BQuad does not count.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 10:06 am
Maori, Asian, Pasifika then European, but its worth noting that, for bachelor’s degrees (what most people think of when you say tertiary), the descending order is Asian, European, Maori, then Pasifika.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Maori should be the 17% .. they have a lower threshold for entry and fees are either free or subsidised .. that is what I have been told so??
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 10:15 am
DPF
Must admit I cheated and found the stats.
Vote:Surprising indeed.
The data sure dismisses a lot of pre-conceived ideas.
July 29th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Simple, get their parents to stop them they are entitled to everythign and they will have to work to achieve.
Look at the samples and see if you can see which group has parents that do that already.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Easy fix just expand the number of Bullshit degrees that can be awarded – my goodness we are well down the well trodden path already.
Trouble is in the real world no body needs fricken gender studies graduates so they all end up as policy analysists in the Public Service and ‘twould be the same for the expanded degree base.
Still it would could help lower the unemployment stats by hiding the more well heeled beneficiaries in the Public Service writing important policy documents that nobody ever reads. And that would be probably just as well too because heaven help us when they do get taken seriously this country gets even more screwed up.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 10:20 am
I heard Nga Tahu are putting a huge emphasis on Tertiary education & the sciences, good on them I reckon, maybe Hone should open his eyes to how other tribes are planning to be successful as we get further into the 21st century & it’s not his handout mentality.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Getting more students into tertiary education is only a fraction of the equation. It’s the number that graduate, and the quality & relevance of their credentials which far, far more important both for them and for NZ
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Krazykiwi. I agree. And I am all for improving the pass rates of Maori (and non-Maori) tertiary students, and the quality of the courses they undertake. But point I was making is that simply saying we need more Maori in tertiary education, is not the case.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 10:44 am
DPF – Quite so. Our education system has a finite capacity. The best results will be realised when those most committed to achieving results are admitted. So admitting students on the basis of any other characteristic (ethnicity, private funding etc) has the effect of limiting access to the most ambitious. I should add that ambition and desire to ‘do stuff’ with ones life aren’t exclusive attributes of grads. I left our college and drove a truck… before founding a few businesses
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Who says more is better in tertiary education? There is a ton of international literature that suggests over investment in tertiary education as it is. Whoever is coming last may be on to something.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 11:03 am
All the racists out there should support efforts to get more Maori into tertiary education, expecially if that involves things like:
1. quotas
2. lower entry standards
3. lower on-going requirements
4. Maori-specific degrees
5. Maori specific institutions
6. special rewards for Maori graduates
All of these will help devalue the degrees held by all Maoris. So if you suggest any of these ‘solutions’, you will be identifying yourself as a racist.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 11:07 am
I’m with ben. We already send too many people to university for mediocre results.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Judging by the rest of the article I think it’s referring to the 18-24 year age bracket – in which Maori participation rates are still comparatively lower and also the fact that Maori have a much lower participation rates in Bachelor and higher degree courses.
http://www.minedu.govt.nz/theMinistry/PublicationsAndResources/AnnualReport/AnnualReport09/PartOne/EducationAndTransformation.aspx
Also completion rates should be another area of concern as Maori completion rates for Bachelor degrees and higher are also comparatively lower than the total population.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 11:38 am
I know our local Iwi trust offer scholarships for tertiary education, my sons have been offered them to use if they so wish. My wife and myself have refused such help, we don’t wish to be beholding to any group, it favors certain “outcomes”. If the kids want to further their education they can do it off their own backs with our help.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 11:49 am
In what ways would you be beholden? Companies that offer scholarships will oblige the recipient to work for them afterwards sometimes, is this what this Iwi wants?
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Thats a symptom, not the problem. WHY are Maori completion rates lower? If you cannot answer this quesiton then you have zero chance of finding a successful solution.
But I warn again, watering down the requirements (which are already laughingly low) will not help Maori any more than would posting them all out “honorary” degrees as part of a Treaty settlement.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Oh no… you’ve just given the grievance industry an idea …
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Looking at the article, I think this was a somewhat mischevious post. The article headline is about tripling the number of Maori getting degrees. The line about more Maori in tertiary education doesn’t seem to be borne out by the remainder of the article. So the issue is achievement rather than participation.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
http://www.minedu.govt.nz/theMinistry/PublicationsAndResources/AnnualReport/AnnualReport09/PartOne/EducationAndTransformation.aspx
An estimated 17 per cent of all working Māori and 15 per cent of all working Pasifika were participating in industry training. This compared with 7 per cent for European/Pākehā workers and 11 per cent for all other worker
This is a very good sign for the future
As to the number in tertiary education the rise in Maori participation seems to correlate to the rise in certificate level courses
A break down of certificate level courses would give a better understanding of their potential value
“statistics lies……………”
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
The will be numerous factors contributing to this though studies do show that Maori students involved in mentoring programmes are more likely to finish their course than Maori students who don’t (at the same institution). So it’s evident that investing in these types of support strategies improves the retention and completion rates of Maori students in tertiary education.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@ben at 10:46 makes a good point. This economist story picks up on the idea of an Education Bubble…
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
As DPF knows, his figures include wananga and other sub-degree courses. Let’s look at participation rates for degrees instead. Here they are, from the same resource used by DPF, for: Asian; Europeans; Maori; Pasifika respectively.
Bachelors: 49; 34; 28; 29
Masters: 4.7; 2.9, 2.3; 1.4
Doctorates: 2.1;1.4; 0.7; 0.5
These figures show that Maori (the third column) have just 80% of the participation rate for Bachelors degrees and Master degrees, and 50% of the rate for doctorates. For Pasifika participation is 85%, 48% and 36% of the European rate.
To quote John Maynard Keynes: “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? “
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Quadruple the fees for most BA courses.
Double the fees for most BBus courses.
Remove fees for most of the science and health science courses and bond the graduates to work in NZ for 8-10 years.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Perhaps the new “Maori” college being built in Tauranga will help.
Opens next year with 400 Maori students. Huge construction site currently.
Maori will be bussed from far parts to attend. Will be interesting to see in time the number of ‘apartheid” educated children get to “real” university from there. No doubt education figures will be fudged.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Paulus might think Maori achievement is being deliberately understated as part of a left-wing scheme to get more money for ‘apartheid’ systems.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Milky, if a school only accepts students based on their ethnicity then it’s an apartheid system. No different from having two bridges, one for whites and one for everyone else which we thankfully all regard as absurd and demeaning. So why the inconsistency?
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
kk
Do NZ schools exclude anyone based on ethnicity?
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Otago University has a racist entry admissions policy for 2nd year law.
See para 1 (h) in the link below.
http://www.otago.ac.nz/courses/qualifications/llb.html
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
mm – don’t know. I hadn’t heard of the Tauranga college Paulus mentioned. That’s what piqued my interest, and also why I started with ‘If …’
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Easy.
1. Get them through primary school able to read and write fluently and do arithmetic.
2. Get them through high school reasonably numerate and able to write a reasonably sound essay.
In other words, if schools stuck to their educational knitting and actually made sure kids who attended could do the basics, they’d have no trouble getting into tertiary education, including quality tertiary education.
Parents can play their part by insisting their schools toe the line. Write to the board members, the education review office, minister of education, newspapers and bitch if it’s not being done.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Apartheid….pft
From memory the South African blacks/coloureds/asians didn’t have much, if any, say in the “separate development” imposed upon them.
Go on, make up another term.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Would you prefer if they made familiarity with Maori culture a core requirement for everyone?
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
So if I applied for a place at the maori college in Tauranga would they say no because I am non-maori?
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
No silly to be a Maori you only have to identify as Maori
Vote:with your views you would go mad in the first term
July 29th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
well if gets me near the gravy train just call me starboard-nui from now on…tin of cocoa tin of cocoa..
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
“with your views you would go mad in the first term”
Too late, in starboard’s case
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
‘evenin Rodders..hows the anal fissure and wonky prostate.
Vote:July 29th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Evening starboard. No problems to report.
Vote:Plenty of wire wool tonight, to go down with your dinner?
July 29th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Being built in Bethlehem much to the locals disgust but nothing they can do. With any luck the locals will go there and that will up the relative quality at the other schools.
Vote:Ill wind and all that.
July 30th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Sometimes I feel like setting up a $500 scholarship that is only available to non-Maori students. It would be a great protest against all the scholarships only available to Maori. Need, not race!!
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