Sure we believe you

July 30th, 2011 at 2:19 pm by David Farrar

NewstalkZB reports:

There’s a pledge from New Zealand First ahead of its annual conference that it will follow the rules on disclosing .

The party was forced to correct its donation returns before the last election, revealing gifts which should have been declared.

Returns filed to the Electoral Commission show New Zealand First has lodged nil donations over the past two years.

Party Leader Winston Peters says next year’s contributions will be reported appropriately.

“We will be abiding by the law, as we have always done,” says Mr Peters.

As we have always done? What a blatant lie.

NZ First were never charged or prosecuted – that is correct. But that is because there was a six month (off memory) time limit for charges.

They did not abide by the law. Here is what the Electoral Commission said:

Although the 2007 return was materially false, no offence committed under section 214G(3) or 214G(4) of the Electoral Act 1993 as the Party Secretary had no intention to mis-state or conceal the facts

So the return was false, but no prosecution because only the party secretary can be held liable.

In respect of the 2005 and 2006 returns, the statutory time limit for any prosecution has expired.

And these were not trivial donations unreported. From 2005 to 2007, NZ First declared there had been zero donations over $10,000 when in fact there had been around $235,000 of donations.

And no that doesn’t include the $100,000 Owen Glenn gave to pay Winston’s legal bills. Likewise it does not include the revelation by the SFO that the Velas had also paid Winston’s electoral petition expenses to Bob Clarkson.

Yet Winston still insists they have always abided by the law.

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37 Responses to “Sure we believe you”

  1. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Many of NZ First’s core supporters appear to have short-term memory loss anyway.
    What other explanation could there be?

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  2. Elaycee (4,067 comments) says:

    Winston just makes things up as required and clearly believes he can make the biggest comeback since Lazarus.

    He is depending on the electorate having a very short memory re the donations fiasco and an equally poor recollection of the way he held the electorate to ransom for weeks – remember when he pulled red and blue mobiles from his briefcase and pretended to play Labour against National? He is a typical narcissist who just adores being in the spotlight.

    He needs to be consigned once and for all to the place where he would fit in admirably – political oblivion. In fact, we deserve better that having this has-been once again stroll the corridors of Parliament.

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  3. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    I went from a post about Winny to the comment field and in-between is a picture of Dick Nixon .. mmmm

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  4. backster (2,000 comments) says:

    Then there was the money no one seemed to know about in his brother’s trust fund and are still wondering how it was dispersed.

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  5. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    When you talk to Winston.. you know your talking to a Lawyer/politician.. enough said.

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  6. pdm (842 comments) says:

    Lets not forget the $158,000 still to be repaid from the 2005 election rort.

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  7. wat dabney (3,461 comments) says:

    “The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.”

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  8. Manolo (12,626 comments) says:

    Peters is not only venal, but also a political corpse.

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  9. Inventory2 (9,789 comments) says:

    Interesting that the Fairfax poll this week showed that NOT ONE person under 35 years of age would vote for the venal Peters. His constituency is quite literally a dying one.

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  10. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Winston only rates the Horizon poll. What does this poll say? Does anyone actually believe anything they read in the Herald?
    And what of the Chinese crook who donated huge undisclosed amounts to both National and Labour? Who is he backing this time? Why was he given citizenship when he was wanted in China? 17,000 [ a conservative estimate] corrupt Chinese officials live abroad on the proceeds of their ill gotten gains. How many of them live in Auckland? How many are currently donating to the National party?

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  11. Inventory2 (9,789 comments) says:

    Joana – just for the sake of accuracy, it was Shane Jones who approved citizenship for Bill Liu, against the advice of his officials. And it was David Cunliffe who refused to revoke Liu’s permanent residence status, despite his officials advising him to because of serious concerns over Liu’s character and the fact that he was using multiple identities. Rick Barker was also involved. To the best of my knowledge, none of the above are National Party pollies.

    And why does Winston Peters so despise the Chinese when he once claimed to have been a descendant of theirs?

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  12. trout (865 comments) says:

    Winston said today that NZ First is going to make good use of the social media so as to avoid ‘filtering’ (scrutiny) of their statements by the MSM. He has got to be joking; I doubt if 90% of his supporters know what social media is, let alone use it.

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  13. Inventory2 (9,789 comments) says:

    And funny you should mention the Horizon poll; out of six polls currently in circulation, Horizon is the rogue one.; Little wonder Peters rates it; it’s the only one that gives him any chance whatsoever of making a comeback to support Phil Goff.

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  14. reid (15,544 comments) says:

    Winston [why does everyone call him Winston even tho he's apparently such a prick?] is the sole remaining recipient of Muldoon’s secret knowledge which is some combination of key political dynamics which gave him and give Mr Peters, mass appeal. He’s taught Laws, his protege, a lot, but not all and it’s that remainder I’d be interested to know.

    It’s how Muldoon remained so popular despite the evidence, long after his used-by date was obvious even to the local village idiot. Winston has that same quality and while I’m sure many know what it is, I personally haven’t yet worked it out instead I merely observe its effects.

    It seems to go beyond the conscious into the subconscious, for that’s the only thing which seems to really explain NZF’s continued appeal and revival or decline in the polls which all revolves around Mr Peters’ fortunes. It’s like a cult but how does he do it, is my currently unanswered question.

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  15. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    depressing reading ad nauseum

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  16. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    AND it is Winny that has shown that MMP has to go

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  17. jaba (2,068 comments) says:

    twice

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  18. Inventory2 (9,789 comments) says:

    Quite so Jaba. Winston’s reappearance back on the hustings, and his endorsement of MMP is the best publicity that Vote for Change hasn’t had to buy. Winston Peters embodies everything that is bad about MMP.

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  19. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    The Kyle Chapman supporter, joana is also a fan of Winston. That says it all.

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  20. Scott Chris (5,678 comments) says:

    Reid

    Muldoon may well have ended up a village idiot, just as Peters has, but that is where the similarity ends. Muldoon had a brain, Peters has only a yearning for the limelight. Peters derives his support from those opposed to immigration and foreign ownership – ie, the lowest common denominator. Muldoon, even the drunk version, was twice the man Peters is.

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  21. KH (686 comments) says:

    If for some years now $158K has not been repaid by Winston or Cronies. Why are not the bailifs all over them.

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  22. hj (5,693 comments) says:

    Inventory2 (6,592) Says:
    July 30th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Interesting that the Fairfax poll this week showed that NOT ONE person under 35 years of age would vote for the venal Peters. His constituency is quite literally a dying one.
    …………………….
    Just as well:
    “”The isolation and silence are magic,” Wolfrum says. “When you’re hiking, all alone, and it’s getting dark, you imagine things. It’s like a fairy tale sometimes. The nature makes you feel like a child again.”

    Up the road in Queenstown, nature is in full flight.

    Queenstown advertises itself as “The Adventure Capital of the World,” where you can bungy jump, heli-ski, jet-boat, or sky-dive. The confines of the modest town can no longer accommodate the throng of thrill-seekers. Soaring mountains still fringe the lake, but condos are creeping along the shore, a snake of traffic clogs the road into town, and Louis Vuitton has set up shop along with Global Culture, a clothes store.

    If your idea of a holiday is a seething mass of cars and people, topped off by a cacophony of helicopters, Queenstown may be for you. Otherwise, it serves only as a warning of the perils of overdevelopment.”
    http://www.boston.com/travel/articles/2004/11/07/new_zealand_at_a_crossroads/

    “High immigration to New Zealand has contributed to the country’s national savings woes by increasing Government spending, business borrowing costs and pumping up house prices, according to a taskforce charged with finding solutions to rising foreign debt.

    Among a raft of other recommendations aimed at boosting the country’s flagging savings rate, both nationally and at a household level, the Savings Working Group (SWG) suggests Government give the matter of immigration some “serious consideration.”
    http://www.interest.co.nz/kiwisaver/52140/migration-policy-linked-inflated-housing-prices-government-spending-and-low-savings

    “To the extent these trends are maintained it could take as few as 60 years before the population is effectively totally renewed. To the extent the sources of the greatest number of arrivals are now in Asia, Mr Peters is quite justified to point out that New Zealand is looking at a social and demographic revolution. ”
    http://nbr.infometrics.co.nz/column.php?id=409

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  23. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    IV 2
    I am aware that Labour pollies gave Bill Liu citzenship but Bill Liu also donated to National as I am sure Pansy Wong’s husband did. Somewhere along the line Key said..”He didn’t know ..” really? He has travelled and made money all over the world and he didn’t know a thing about Chinese corruption?
    As far as I know , Winston does not despise Chinese people. There is nothing wrong with wanting to maintain the integrity of one’s own country. The Chinese are very economically aggressive. The best example is Indonesia. At the time of the viscious riots there in 1998 , the Chinese were 4 per cent of the population but controlled 80 per cent of the wealth. This is happening here also.
    Scott Chris
    I personally met Muldoon. He was a jerk. Just another small man with a complex. I doubt whether you are old enough to have met him.
    It doesn’t matter whether NZ First gets in or not , nationalism is on the rise in NZ as it is in every western country. It is a natural response to forced multiculturalism and islamification.

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  24. hj (5,693 comments) says:

    Winston Bad For Property Council

    “This week there was a fuss over the amount of money being paid to the people who oversee the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority.

    For some strange reason the former National prime minister Jenny Shipley was selected as one of the people needed for this responsible job.

    And she is getting a thousand dollars a day to bring her particular expertise – whatever that may be – to the people of Christchurch.

    Surely they have suffered enough without having to watch Jenny Shipley feeding from the public trough, at the rate of a thousand dollars a day.

    Christchurch needs compassion and a relentless commitment from central and local government to rebuild the city and the lives and hopes of its people.

    Those people are the priority and they do not need the distraction of an overpaid sideshow coming to town.

    Her main focus these days is acting as an agent for
    companies owned by the communist state of China.”
    http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/press-releases/display.php?t=1&i=2967

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  25. reid (15,544 comments) says:

    Scott, Peters was Muldoon’s protege and he taught Winston everything: i.e. if Rob hadn’t been there we would never have heard of Winston . Winston and Rob are and were extremely skillful in many complex political arts and it’s those to which I were averring.

    I wasn’t discussing their chosen political support bases.

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  26. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    reid – From what I have read, Peters and Muldoon were not that close on a personal level.
    They held meetings together when they were both on the outer under Bolger but when Peters started to advocate electoral reform, Muldoon kept his distance. Winston may try to imitate Muldoon’s appeal to “the ordinary bloke” but Muldoon had a reputation (in his heyday) as being articulate and being able to easily get to grips with complex issues. Doesn’t sound like Winston, does it?

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  27. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    I was going to say a more interesting comment from you Rodders but Muldoon articulate..he was sloshed half the time. He was a womanizer. He was also a tyrant who used fear as a weapon. An older person once pointed out to me how he lowered the tone in parliament by starting the habit of calling people by their surnames. There was nothing gentlemanly about him.
    Let’s not forget that he was brought down by a young woman. Every tyrant has his day.

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  28. mikenmild (8,817 comments) says:

    Muldoon gets a bad press these days. There is a very good biography of him that changed my opinion somewhat. He was someone with a lot of empathy for his ‘ordinary bloke’. He had modest ambitions, not to leave NZ any worse off than how he found it. That might even be a better ambition than say, catching up with Australia’, especially if you do nothing to try to achieve that ‘aspirational goal’.

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  29. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    @joana – Muldoon could be a verbally rude and abusive bully, alright. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t articulate (able to express his ideas fluently and clearly.) Don’t judge his entire political career from the 1981-1984 train wreck.
    Barry Gustafson’s book is well worth a read. As far as your statement that he was a womaniser, I would appreciate concrete evidence of that, not just rumour or innuendo.

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  30. mikenmild (8,817 comments) says:

    Rumours seemed to be the sum total re Muldoon and womanising. I recall the days of the ‘Double Standard’ posters in Wellington – ‘Pig Shot While Rooting in Karori: PM Safe’.

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  31. mickysmuses (7 comments) says:

    Peters could very well pull off a Lazarus type resurrection.

    The opposition voters need a populist, and at the moment, there simply isn’t one.

    If Peters did well, it could be the death knell of the Labour party, which is still shackled and constipated by its socialist past.

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  32. hj (5,693 comments) says:

    I can’t connect Labour with labour at all, was what I thought as I watched Claire Curran on Backbechers. These are the people who see the workers as red necks.

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  33. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    DPF

    This is just Peters trying a new approach since his last standard MO was so well exposed as a fraud. Historically Winston behaved like a psychopath accusing others of all the things he did himself and it worked for a while. His new approach is rather than tell bold faced lies about other people to distract from his own actions he’s going to simply tell bold faced lies about his own actions.

    Brilliant isn’t it… Winston must have some grandkids about 4-5 years old that have inspired his new MO.

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  34. Paulus (2,296 comments) says:

    Most of Winston’s supporters are of an age when their long term memory is not what it used to be.

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  35. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    His promise to repeal the anti smacking law just won him the Christian vote…..the oldies , the Christians , the Nationalists , the anti Maoriifcation gang..the list is growing..the next thing he needs to do is promise to save playcentre.

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  36. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Will he promise to pay back the $158,000 ? He might also promise that he will personally prevent the Earth being engulfed by the Sun billions of years from now.

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  37. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    Winston is now talking about writing off student loans – somebody needs to audit his accounts and find out how many students have made large donations to his secret trust…..

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