10 year old stabs classmate
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 am by David FarrarNZPA reports:
A South Auckland school boy who did not like the way he was tackled in a schoolyard game of touch rugby allegedly stabbed his 10-year-old school mate.
The boy was stabbed with a weapon, believed to be a small kitchen knife, behind a classroom at decile 1 school Jean Batten Primary in Mangere last Wednesday, the New Zealand Herald reported.
Police said both boys were aged 10 – but it was understood the victim was in Year 6 and his alleged attacker in Year 4.
I can’t believe this happens in New Zealand. How does a 10 year old even have a knife at school, let alone think an appropriate reaction to a tackle is to stab a fellow 10 year old with a knife?
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August 22nd, 2011 at 11:04 am
Get real, David. Pupils in a girls school were carrying small sharp knives 15 years ago – and pulling them out whenever there was a fight. I suspect many kids, especially those from our rougher homes but also from so-called good ones, carry some kind of weapon to school. The wonder is they are hardly ever used – or come to the notice of the media.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:06 am
That’s just terrible. I have a 10 year old boy and he would never do anything like that. But then, he understands right and wrong and has been taught that revenge is never justified and that anger is a sin.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 am
Anger is a sin?
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 am
“Some of New Zealand isn’t just broken, it’s sick”.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 am
I love how you’ve tagged this post as relating to “law and order”.
Says it all…
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 am
Seconding smttc – anger is a sin now what? Sounds like a recipe for repressed issues in the future, but it’s your kid.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 am
Yes, anger is a sin. It’s on the continuum of murder. It’s only valid when it’s righteous indignation on behalf of others.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 am
‘Anger is a sin?’
If your values are based on a 2000 year old religious book, in the real world anger is a perfectly normal human emotion. Learning to handle that emotion, now that’s something different.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:21 am
A 10 year old in year 4 implies some level of learning issues.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:21 am
This is what happens when dysfunctional people are paid by the state to have children. They create a toxic underclass. As I keep saying, make ongoing welfare payments conditional upon using contraception (temporary birth control shots, IUD’s etc).
http://kidshealth.org/teen/sexual_health/contraception/contraception_depo.html
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 am
“If your values are based on a 2000 year old religious book”
Actually its older than that. But so what? Age does not make it wrong.
“in the real world anger is a perfectly normal human emotion”
Not so. SOME forms of anger are normal, some are pathological and dangerous. Any psychiatrist or anger-management counsellor will tell you that.
Lucia is right. Scripture distinguishes between healthy righteous anger, and the kind of anger that leads to this sort of thing, or that drives people to murder.
In this the Bible is in full accord with modern psychology.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 am
The obvious solution is to forbid kids to bring knifes to school!!!
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 am
Bob R – How do you know that the parents of these kids are beneficiaries?
They may well be, but you are making an assertion without evidence.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 am
Aww he tackled me eh… so Iz cut the bitch.
Another proud kiwi moment.
Well spotted Greg.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 am
YesWeDid, Roman Catholicism is not based on a 2,000 year old book, but on what the Church finds acceptable, even if this flatly contradicts this 2,000 year old book.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:43 am
Don’t argue with a commie while he’s displaying his ignorant preduices berend.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 am
Thus Paul declares, “Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger” (Eph 4:26 RSV).
An old book containing some wisdom and some folly. The word of God is could be between the lines.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 am
Well it’s either a cultural tradition or the result of colonial oppression, we know for a fact that family violence was unknown prior to the arrival of the white man.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 11:59 am
Please “God” don’t let this degenerate into a another religious discussion Its about the kids not beliefs.
Because if its law breaking there is a high probability that a beneficiary is involved
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Yeah I’m sure having the Wilsons from next door over for dinner was a colonial indtriduction too.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Then you have these dysfunctional young children kept within the school system and not transfer to a place were their obvious problems can be resolved. Making teachers have to spend a disproportional amount of their time attempting to resolve the problems these kids create in the school environment.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:15 pm
As children grow up they naturally model their behavior on what they see around them. In the past, boys would watch their fathers, grandfathers and other adult males and model their behavior on what they saw. Similarly, girls would model their behavior on their mothers and other adult females. However, in recent times children have spent less and less time with their parents and more and more time with television and other electronic entertainment.
Unfortunately, the behaviors children see on television are often violent or anti-social. This is reinforced by the violent/antisocial lyrics of some popular songs and the violent/antisocial themes of some video games. As a result, growing children are exposed to regular doses of violent and anti-social behavior. It therefore should come as no surprise that, in the absence of strong positive role models, children will model their behavior on what they experience from television, music and video games.
If a ten-year-old kiwi is a regular viewer of an American TV program where children take weapons to school, can we really blame him for thinking that carrying a knife is a normal thing to do in his school?
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Tanstaafl,
Spot on. The breakdown of traditional families and traditional family dynamics, the loss of Christian values, and the prevelance of violent and anti-social media creates an environment that makes incidents like this, and London riots, increasingly likely.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Playing devil’s advocate here, but who the fuck TACKLES in touch rugby? You touch, don’t tackle.
Seriously though, this is disgusting that we have 10 year olds bringing weapons to school.
I remember back in 1991, when I was in 5th form at Auckland Boys Grammar, a Tongan dude bought a revolver to school and showed it to us. It was cold and heavy, so I don’t think it was a replica, but who knows. None of us dobbed him in, so it may be more prevalent than we think.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Griff,
Every action starts as a thought. Some thoughts that we have are dismissed out of hand because we know they are wrong. What we understand as right or wrong is a consequence of belief. If a person believes that it is right to take revenge on someone that has wronged them, then discussing beliefs in general is a natural outcome of discussing actions.
It would be good to know what this child’s background is.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 pm
@Lee01 – London’s had riots for centuries, way before any ‘anti-social media’ and at times when 100% of the population were Christian, how do you explain those?
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
“@Lee01 – London’s had riots for centuries”
The point I was making is not that they had riots in and of themselves. In the past riots almost always had identifiable reasons. There is a difference between those and the nihilistic anarchist tribal violence we have just seen.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:42 pm
***gump (40) Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 am
Bob R – How do you know that the parents of these kids are beneficiaries?
They may well be, but you are making an assertion without evidence.***
It’s an educated guess. I keep seeing various stats in the paper about 200,000 children living in poverty. The trouble with those stories is they never seem to question why the parents are having so many children. Despite freely available contraception there are a significant number of people with low future time orientation and forward thinking capacity who have children regardless.
It wouldn’t surprise me if this kid came from that group and had particularly useless parents.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Quick give Sue Bradford a ring, she’ll know what to do. Maybe a new law, I know, children are not aloud to stab other children, yes that should do it. All will be right in the world again.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Random guess?
he was a young Maori from a gang house hold who has been taught by his parents that this sort if behavior is the norm. He suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome (Delayed development and significant functional problems in three or more major areas: thinking, speech, movement, or social skills)And needs intensive therapy to develop to his potential The family proberbly needs the same
Of course the modern answer is to reintegrate them into the culture that his ancestors had 200 years ago. Which contained many of the traits that prevent them functioning in 2011 in the first place.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Talking of Sue Bradford,just remember the current “conservative”, personal responsibility,strong families, government ignored a referendum on same. Thanks John.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 pm
The answer’s sterilization. (And cutting back the DPB.)
The only issue of contention is, how many posts will today’s thread take to get there?
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 1:02 pm
wtf is going on.
tackling in touch rugby? where will it end.
Sounds like the stabber gave him what he deserved.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Couple of years ago I had to bring a girl’s soccer team for a match against that school. All through the match the kids called my girls ‘white bitches’ and the teachers pretended not to notice.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 1:23 pm
@ RRM,
You’re a bit late. I suggested contraception in exchange for welfare at 11:21am above.
I disagree though with cutting back the DPB. If people do have children and lose their employment or financial support the children need to be able to live in reasonable conditions. I would make more use of food vouchers though rather than cash payments. As noted above, part of the problem is low future time orientation and ability to plan by the parents – so you need to ensure the money they receive is used productively.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Lucia,
Most 10 year old boys don’t do this type of thing. It’s actually pretty uncommon, which is why it makes the news.
And for the record, anger is an emotion – a normal part of being a human being. Just like sadness and joy. There’s nothing inherently wrong with feeling angry, the problem results when you react in an inappropriate way (such as stabbing the other kid). If he used that anger to run faster and play more determined in his touch game, this would have been acceptable.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Bit of good “Christian” discipline in schools would soon learn them, eh Maria?
This sort of thing:
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August 22nd, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@ RRM,
Who knows, as suggested above the problem stems from dysfunctional parents who are ill equipped to raise children in the first place.
In terms of what type discipline would work, perhaps you could volunteer to teach at the school?
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 2:49 pm
‘The answer’s sterilization. (And cutting back the DPB.) The only issue of contention is, how many posts will today’s thread take to get there?’
Some kid stabs another kid with a kitchen knife in a play ground and the response from the Kiwiblog faithful is to sterilize all solo mums.
You have to love Kiwiblog – ‘Getting the views of a tiny minority of Christian red necks out into the mainstream since 2003′
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 3:55 pm
YesWeDid- I freaking guarantee you this kid is from a WINZ-dependant ‘family’. NZ society is going to continue to deteriorate like this if we continue to encourage/pay our feral criminal underclass to spit out kids at a hundred miles an hour…It isn’t rocket science!
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 4:00 pm
YWD,
“Getting the views of a tiny minority of Christian red necks”
Bigotry is such an ugly thing. And Christians are hardly a “tiny” minority.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 4:04 pm
RRM,
If I posted a picture of men, women and children starving in a Soviet era Gulag, would that prove that all Leftists want to implement the same system?
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 4:40 pm
YesWeDid,
It’s not the Christians that want to sterilise all solo Mums. From a Catholic point of view, doing such a thing would be a terrible crime. We don’t even believe that contraception is moral, let alone sterilisation
tristanb,
Anger is more than just an emotion. The next time you get angry at something, notice the tiny pause between the anger and the thing that got you angry. There is a decision process you go through when you decide how to react to something. Just look out for it next time. Also, expressing anger doesn’t make you feel better, it makes you feel worse. The more you let your anger go, the more out of control it can become. In the child’s case, he let his anger grow into revenge which he purposefully enacted. The anger became potentially murderous, which means that he’s never learned to control it in the first place. Anger becomes sinful when a decision is made to fuel it, rather than a situation that comes about where you react faster than your mind can process what is going on. When it’s caught at the moment it starts, it’s not so bad.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Lucia Maria
“Yes, anger is a sin” (reasserted)
“Anger becomes sinful when a decision is made to fuel it”
These two statements contradict each other. Wrath is one of the ’7 Deadly Sins’, but is not considered the same as anger. Wrath may be described as inordinate and uncontrolled feelings of hatred and anger.
You may wish to consult your priest to clarify this matter. You may also wish to discuss ‘pride’, as this is what blinds and misleads most people, myself included.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 6:07 pm
This is quite clearly the teachers fault. If only we had National Standards.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Scott,
You are comparing a statement made by me that summarises the position and another where I explain it in a little more detail. Doing so is always going to be problematic. If you are capable of expressing it better, go for it .
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Lucia Maria- I suspect/hope you are a troll trying to discredit Catholics…
Vote:I am a Catholic from a Catholic family, had twelve years of Catholic Education (Nuns at Primary School then Christian Brothers at Secondary), misbehaved with plenty of dirty Catholic girls, played rugby for Celtic and Marist Clubs, have basically lived my whole life in a fabulously boozy and enormously enjoyable Doolan environment…you are making us sound like a bunch of fundamentalist fucking crackpots! Lighten the hell up….
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Longknives,
And do you go to church every Sunday? Go to Confession regularly? In other words are you a cultural Catholic or a practising one?
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Longknives
Sadly Lucia is the real deal, she is of course quite mad and about as divorced from reality as is humanly possible.
Lucia is just another example as to why people are turning away from the church in droves.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Lucia I have been a Catholic my whole life and been to more Sunday masses than you’ve had hot dinners- Born again are we?? That would explain your misguided and rather embarrassing fanaticism….
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Longknives,
More Sunday Masses than I’ve had hot dinners .. You must be ancient!
Big Bruv meanwhile takes any opportunity.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Born again Lucia?? Because the Catholic Girls I knew at school certainly weren’t prudes….
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Longknives I’m only an Anglican (practicing), but I’ve always found Lucia to be thoughtful, respectful and insightful, on the general Catholicism topic.
Re: this post, several have touched on the root, which is the parents. Why else pray tell would an innocent 10 year old do that and which 10 year old isn’t innocent.
I think many of us know the answer to that, don’t we. immigant’s 1:31 was quite telling, as well:
Couple of years ago I had to bring a girl’s soccer team for a match against that school. All through the match the kids called my girls ‘white bitches’ and the teachers pretended not to notice.
See, this is disgraceful behaviour on the part of those teachers, as well.
It really pisses me off when both a child’s parents and his teachers let him down like this.
Why can’t these fools see they are the authors of this kid’s life and it is their responsibility to fix it. Clearly this kid learned what he did from home for where the hell else does a 10 year old learn that shit. Clearly, you can’t deny it. His parents are fucking trash.
But then his teachers let the whole school obviously, get away with quite deliberate and sustained rudeness and cruelty.
I wish lefties would stop fucking pwetending that the despawate poverty is the whole issue here and you solve that and you solve this shit. It’s bollocks. This is basic human respect and love, gone awry, as in, it’s clearly never even been in this poor boy’s life. Fine. Parents are total losers. Fine. It happens, a lot. That’s one issue.
But to have well educated and trained people allow the school atmosphere to become poisoned as immigant and this event illustrates, is equally unacceptable.
Something really stinks in our school system and in our society and its poisonous lefty victim claptrap bollocks. That’s why we as a society let parents like this poor boy’s get away with it for generation after generation and that’s why the teachers just want a quite life and don’t want to rock the boat when the pupils get like that. Someone should tell them the way to success for their pupils is to give them self-discipline because their homelife doesn’t give them that. And you know how to instill self-discipline, respect, a sense of self-worth in a child? Competition, discipline, rules, structure, love. And the only thing lefties know how to do, is love. Doesn’t fucking work, dumbos. Der.
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
I stabbed a kid in the hand with a compass when I was younger, saw other kids doing similar stuff. Grow up Farrar
Vote:August 22nd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Why, thank you Reid.
Though, it is another matter again when I’m angry!
Longknives, you’re just fishing now. “Born again” is strange terminology for Catholics. And all that I’ve mentioned that you find “embarrassing” is the sin of anger, and contraception and sterilisation. Must be the last 2 setting you off. If you want to find out more about me, go have a look at my blog by clicking on my name. Handily highlighted to indicate there’s a link attached.
Vote:August 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 am
Apparently a childish misdemeanour excites childish whooping from the gallery of monkeys that observe it. Is it possible that rather than representing a hitherto hidden sub-class ‘norm’ this isolated situation is the actions of one evidently troubled child who regardless of whether we think he will grow up to be ‘hardwired’ as a criminal – is just that – one isolated, troubled child?
The baying for tis kid’s blood, and for the blood of his family sounds like the uninformed responses of some kind of Islamic hardline fanaticism – in short, if you are looking for reasons for why in modern NZ this child is brutalised, you need look little further than some of the frankly stupid responses written here. This is the society he is growing up in, and we are the ones who as adults are supposed to set the tone, not reduce our attitudes to those of overgrown schoolchildren ourselves.
Vote:August 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 am
Reid says:
“Why can’t these fools see they are the authors of this kid’s life and it is their responsibility to fix it. Clearly this kid learned what he did from home for where the hell else does a 10 year old learn that shit. Clearly, you can’t deny it. His parents are fucking trash.”
The fact that the kids parents were once 10 years old appears to have slipped your mind. A bad childhood rarely makes a good parent.
Vote:August 23rd, 2011 at 8:54 am
My August 22nd, at 12:56 pm
May or may not be the case odds that it is are about 1/2. I was a total shit at school. I did not fit in square peg in a round hole is an understatement. If kids don’t fit the main stream we need to find out why and try to find places were they do fit. There is a small number of households creating most of the mayhem in this society. If we don’t get bogged down in lefty PC claptrap, And actually target these family’s we may get some improvement.
Lucia Maria
Vote:You are obviously strong in your faith your measured replies reflect this. When threads get side tract into intense discussions about faith, We loose track of the problem under discussion, The church is weakening by the year it is wholly up to churches to recapture their flock not the responsibility of the state. This means that any argument saying the lack of god is to blame is not constructively forwarding these debates.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:42 am
One of my university holiday jobs was a labouring position in a factory. One work mate would send his 9 year old kid to school to deal drugs.
Nothing surprises me.
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