Compulsory circumcision for male MPs
August 30th, 2011 at 9:00 am by David FarrarNo this is not a joke. AAP report:
ZIMBABWE’S male ministers will all undergo circumcision as part of a campaign to prevent the spread of HIV, the deputy prime minister has been quoted as saying.
Research indicates male circumcisions can help prevent infections of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
According to Thokozani Khupe, quoted in the state-run Sunday Mail newspaper yesterday, all men in the 150-member parliament and all male councillors in urban and rural councils should also undergo the minor operation.
Which party in New Zealand will announce this as policy 
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August 30th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Speaking of Zimbabwe, Mugabe has been rather quiet lately. No burnings, lootings or rapes worthy of note, inflation under control?.
Wonder also if he has granted himself an exemption from the “minor op”?
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:07 am
I hear decapitation causes instant relief of headaches too!
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Short-arm inspection on the first sitting day perhaps! Just to confirm no back-sliding of course.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:14 am
no to circumcision, yes to vasectomy hehe
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:14 am
MINOR OPERATION?????? You go get your dick sliced and diced and call it minor.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:15 am
I keep waiting for a people’s revolution in Zimbabwe. I guess they just dont want freedom from this odious man badly enough yet.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Murray, cross your legs when you think like that.
Vote:Translating this to the NZ scene, of course there would be only one side of the House affected, the other was totally emasculated during those halcyon years 1999-2008.
August 30th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Zimbabwe has adopted this policy because it has been shown that male circumcision reduces- by about 60%- the risk of transmitting HIV. As it isn’t a problem here, it won’t be advocated, because of its irrelevancy. However lets just pretend that somebody would- so which party?
Maybe the feminist coterie in Labour would want to have it because it causes pain and subsequent desensitisation to the penis? Probably not- despite the beliefs of many, Labour’s feminist wing isn’t that nuts. The Greens may well regard HIV as nature’s way of culling us, and so reject it, and Mana & the Māori Party would see it as being anti-Māori, because they never did it in the past, or would adopt it as compulsory, because Pakeha dared “prescribe” to Māori about their most precious of taonga. Hopefully both National and Act would denounce it as an infringement on the rights of the individual, which leaves New Zealand First and the United Party. NZF don’t have sex anymore, except with chemical assistance, and would be very wary of having surgery that further reduced their membership, so we are left with the United Party- the party of [and for?] irrelevancy.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:27 am
MINOR OPERATION?????? You go get your dick sliced and diced and call it minor.
It’s about as minor as getting your ears cut off or your fingernails pulled out.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:40 am
I haven’t had that done PG. What’s it like?
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Grant Michael McKenna at 9:22 am – are your comments on UnitedFuture based on ignorance? Once you get the name right you could learn how relevant UF are as a pivotal party in the centre.
Not surprisingly there are no policies on MP circumcision – and if considered with our statutory gender balance there’s no way that will happen.
Increase funding for sexual health/contraceptive programmes.
That’s about all on sexual health specifically, but…
Encourage personal responsibility for maintaining good health
…seems like it covers it well. Phew.
Authorised by Hon Peter Dunne MP, leader UnitedFuture NZ, Parliament Buildings
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am
it aint no minor op when youre an adult.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am
If they had a short arm line up on the first sitting day, it would look like a parade of London bobbies.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:42 am
feminist/ hippy chicks seem to be against dudes being cut.
apparently its ok for them to have opinions on that, but we arent meant to have an opinion on abortion..
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am
I’m pretty certain the last NZ government made all it’s hetrosexual males be castrated.
Zimbabwe’s measure seem mild by comparison.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Grant Michael McKenna says:
“Zimbabwe has adopted this policy because it has been shown that male circumcision reduces- by about 60%- the risk of transmitting HIV. As it isn’t a problem here, it won’t be advocated, because of its irrelevancy. However lets just pretend that somebody would- so which party?”
Question is: With 10% of the population in Zimbabwe living with HIV, would circumcising all the males be effective in saving lives? The answer is yes. If I were a Zimbabwean MP, I’d be amongst the first to volunteer.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Sadly we can’t do Goof, there just seems to be no end to the prick.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am
I wonder if most of the Lairboar caucus want to get their strapons done as a gesture of solidarity?
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am
50/50 each way when it comes to parties. Both have more than their share of homosexuals.
Vote:Not at balance as MMP would have if they had ther own party.
August 30th, 2011 at 11:10 am
scanner, lol x 2
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Maybe Labour would change their campaign from ‘Rich Pricks’ to ‘No Pricks?’
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 11:30 am
White man go home, we can rule ourselves……………into the ground.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Sounds like Green party policy to me, of course they would only demand that their white males were the ones forced to undergo this surgery.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 11:34 am
This is just the thin end of the stick. I am sure the sister hood would enjoy their cut. I under stand its popular in Somalia
Vote:According to a 2005 World Health Organization estimate, about 97.9% of Somalia’s women and girls have undergone female circumcision, It is primarily intended to deter promiscuity and to offer protection from assault.
August 30th, 2011 at 11:47 am
somalia – napalm the fucking place
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
So let me me see if I get this right… their solution to reducing the transmission of HIV/AIDS – is to circumcise Adult Politicians – risking infection after the operation, accidental medical mutilation, pain & discomfort after the operation and during recuperation – inability to have sex or enjoy an erection. Loss of productivity caused by days off serving the country. The cost of bandages and antiseptics and nurses treatment hours.
Adult circumcision is a major difference from infant circumcision. The physical dimensions of the member for one thing are an issue – as well as the fact an infant is virtually immobile… try getting a man – any man – to take a minimum 4 days off work to sit, rest & recover from a “minor operation”, and NOT think with his dick.
I think he would rather spend a week with his wife and her mother in a small caravan in Taupo than have to go through that! Either way he doesn’t get sex!
Solution: The cost effective – 100% (rather than 60%) prevention of HIV/AIDS – damn site cheaper without the loss of sitting days in Parliament, medical procedures and dressings etc – give each member of Parliament – (male or female) access to an exhaustible supply of condoms. Cheaper, effective with water based lubricant, and they keep the fun bits together.
Main cause of HIV/AIDS: NOT foreskins – its UNPROTECTED SEX (sharing needles etc.)
Statistics: Africa’s unfortunate position in the worldwide HIV and AIDS epidemic, as the 19 countries worldwide with the highest prevalence of reported infections are all African countries with more than 24.5 million, and more than 60% of the HIV-infected population. South Africa is reported to have the largest population living with the disease, at well over 5 million people infected, followed by Nigeria in 2nd place and India being the 3rd largest population of HIV infected with more than 2 million people reported.
Throughout the World:
Every 12 seconds a person contracts HIV
Every 16 seconds a person dies from AIDS
source: http://www.unfpa.org/aids_clock/
It is estimated that there are 37.2 million people worldwide infected with HIV/AIDS.
My suggestion is even if you’re going to SNIP – make sure that if you’re going to DIP – SLIP on CONDOM – or make sure your lover does.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Whats that useless bit of skin that hangs off a penis?
A man.
Sorry, joke from the boss ( wife )
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Mugabe:Our Constitution allows polygamy.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
This policy is so sexist!
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Actually, what is morally wrong with polygamy? It’s basically sexual capitalism isn’t it? I stand to be corrected.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Well, different countries have different issues. In New Zealand we need to campaign to have the balls sown back on the Labour/Green metrosexual “men”, who seem to have sacrificed them to the feminists and the fairies.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
“Main cause of HIV/AIDS: NOT foreskins – its UNPROTECTED SEX (sharing needles etc.)”
Not in New Zealand. How many married men have been infected with HIV if that had not been batting for the other team?
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Dime,
Vote:Our govt gives aid to Somalia.
August 30th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Hahahaha! Thanks for that Pete, haven’t had a laugh that good in a long time!
How does it feel to have sold out to join the biggest sell out in NZ political history?
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
This type of policy disturbs me and shows just how out of touch politicians are with the HIV/AIDS situation. Studies of transmission rates were performed on cohorts of men who had a tendency to sleep with prostitutes. It was found that infection rates of circumcised men were a few percent less than their uncircumcised counterparts. While it did offer a statistical protection, being circumcised does not eliminate transmission, it just means you have several more sexual encounters with HIV infected women before you have a probability of being infected. Realistically it will not stop the spread of HIV or AIDs.
Even more concerning is that these studies only look at female to male transmission. It does not offer any protection to the female. A woman is just as prone to being infected by an HIV positive male, whether circumcised or not. Very quickly we see that this is a very sexist, male cauvanistic policy.
If politicians were to get real with HIV/AIDs, they need to stop looking for excuses for the culture of their sexual practices, and change them. Such as use of condoms or even better, strict monogomist relationships.
Vote:August 30th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
scanner (262) Says:
August 30th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Comment of the year
Vote:August 31st, 2011 at 1:41 am
From the USAID report “LEVELS AND SPREAD OF HIV SEROPREVALENCE AND ASSOCIATED FACTORS: EVIDENCE FROM NATIONAL HOUSEHOLD SURVEYS”
“There appears no clear pattern of association between male circumcision and HIV prevalence—in 8 of 18 countries with data, HIV prevalence is lower among circumcised men, while in the remaining 10 countries it is higher.”
http://www.measuredhs.com/pubs/pdf/CR22/CR22.pdf
The South African National Communication Survey on HIV/AIDS, 2009 found that 15% of adults across age groups “believe that circumcised men do not need to use condoms”.
http://www.info.gov.za/issues/hiv/survey_2009.htm
From the committee of the South African Medical Association Human Rights, Law & Ethics Committee :
“the Committee expressed serious concern that not enough scientifically-based evidence was available to confirm that circumcisions prevented HIV contraction and that the public at large was influenced by incorrect and misrepresented information. The Committee reiterated its view that it did not support circumcision to prevent HIV transmission.”
The one randomized controlled trial into male-to-female transmission showed a 54% higher rate in the group where the men had been circumcised btw:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60998-3/abstract
ABC (Abstinence, Being faithful, and especially Condoms) is the way forward. Promoting genital surgery will cost African lives, not save them.
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