General Debate 11 August 2011

August 11th, 2011 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. meh (165 comments) says:

    wooo, *insert witty comment here*

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  2. Pete George (22,773 comments) says:

    Should we dodo the electorates and focus on leaders and lists? Seems to be what a few people, including Bryce Edwards are suggesting. Is it pragmatic electioneering or marginalising regional representation?

    Electorate MPs redundant, party lists rule?

    Lists and MPs without “proper” mandates are seen by many to be a major weakness of MMP, so this seems odd.

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  3. Sofia (818 comments) says:

    Labour needs a new leader, but potential leadership aspirants are side-stepping the job until after the Election. This means no one is prepared to attempt to guide the Labour Party to a better result than it will otherwise have, no one will try to represent those voters who believed in them last Election or are attracted to policies they now try to express. The party’s Parliamentary positions are more important to the Labour politicians than the Party itself, the policies they express, or the people they would serve.
    So fuck them.

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  4. starboard (2,463 comments) says:

    reap what you sow England..reap what you sow…

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  5. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    starboard – you now channeling this fella?

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  6. Scott Chris (5,871 comments) says:

    Ostrich Runs Rampant On Streets Of Dover

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2011/07/16/escaped-ostrich-causes-havoc-in-the-streets-of-dover-115875-23273749/

    Now the wildlife are getting in on the act.

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  7. meh (165 comments) says:

    Sofia I see it as self preservation, none of them want to be associated with the hiding that Labour is going to receive come election time. That said I agree with you – if they really believed in the party they should be fighting tooth and nail to reverse it’s current death-spiral.

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  8. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10744254
    The lefty’s always seem to forget the cost. Education is a monster that needs a firm hand just like health. Some would have us spend more and more for less and less benefit. In the hard copy its interesting that you can get credits in Maori language and math I fail to see how this helps anyone to successfully complete a degree in science

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  9. DeeDee (75 comments) says:

    OK so Sofia I know you said f**k them but lets try to select a new leader for Labour, that but be amusing for a time. Or lets select the Labour portfolios that MP’s (assuming they get re-elected) SHOULDNT have ie: Parekura Horomia with the Health Portfolio instead should have the Disability!

    Shane Jones for Labour Leader! I just enjoy his debate skills and I liked that he fronted up on the porn issue.

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  10. DeeDee (75 comments) says:

    Griff
    “you can get credits in Maori language and math I fail to see how this helps anyone to successfully complete a degree in science”
    Well if you understand the language you can then tap into the traditional use of herbs and plants that Maori used, this is a massive industry at the moment, however the majority of the knowledge of this traditional use is with the older Maori who prefer to teach this knowledge via Tikanga Maori.

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  11. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Should kids use social media?

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  12. DeeDee (75 comments) says:

    I dont let my 10yr old, she doesnt have a mobile either. Sometimes she’s not happy with our decision, especially when younger children have mobiles or want to get in touch via Facebook, but she does know when she’s at least 14 we’ll have a talk then.
    Its a non issue in our house.

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  13. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    DeeDee said…
    Its a non issue in our house.

    Good on ya DeeDee! Wise decision.

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  14. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    Social media is the new world denying children access to this new world will disable them in that as yet unknown future. Things are changing very fast 50 years ago a computer with the power of a cheap cell phone cost millions and took up whole buildings. enough adults don’t get the revolution. kids will need literacy in the new world if they have any hope of a place in the new society

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  15. DeeDee (75 comments) says:

    She does have access to the internet, the computers in our lounge with the monitor facing the seating area, shes a computer geek as far as my older children are concerned. She uses internet for study.

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  16. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Ostrich Runs Rampant On Streets

    … thereby improving the average IQ

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  17. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    DeeDee said…
    She uses internet for study.

    That’s the proper way to use the net for kids and a little bit of fun on youtube won’t hurt, but to spend hours on social media, is another matter.

    Quote: Schools are inheriting an overentertained, distracted student….

    From : Many Nations Passing U.S. in Education, Expert Says

    I think that social media contributes to distraction & over-entertainment.

    PS: The article was originally mentioned here on Kiwiblog by commentator Lee C.

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  18. DeeDee (75 comments) says:

    Falafulu Fisi
    I have to tell you something funny about facebook and mobile phone arrangements.
    When we initially had this talk with her and said we would discuss it again when she was 14.
    She came back to us with a “contract” saying that we would look at her “maturity” when she was 14 and we would listen to her before we came to our decision. The signed contract has been posted in a prominent position on the fridge. Still funny but quite proud of her really.

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  19. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Quote: Schools are inheriting an overentertained, distracted student….

    Exactly. I know this is yesterday’s news, but this is (one of the reasons) why having iPads in schools is the stupidest idea in the world, and if I had kids who went to that school I’d get them to switch.

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  20. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    DeeDee (59) Says:
    August 11th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    I dont let my 10yr old, she doesnt have a mobile either. Sometimes she’s not happy with our decision, especially when younger children have mobiles or want to get in touch via Facebook, but she does know when she’s at least 14 we’ll have a talk then.
    Its a non issue in our house.

    .
    Only in your mind.
    Your stand is laudable except that it impinges on their rights to freedom of association.
    But then lefties never understand that.

    Que Rodders, MM and Petey will be along soon.

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  21. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    I see risk in diverting funds to what is no more than a thinly veiled advertising ploy from apple from the real needs in our education system

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  22. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Your logic fails.
    Social media is now an entrenched part of everyones lives like it or not.
    TV did this in the 60′s as did newspapers before them.
    Remain in the dinasour category if you want but expect that social media will be the norm within a year or so.
    Online newspapaers are social media, talk radio is social media, Google is the most powerful yet the most freedon giving social media around.
    Business is moving rapidly from TV and Newspaper to social media using websites, Facebook and Google+1 and the war for your attention is just starting.
    Once broadband is running at speed you have little choice but to learn and be involved.
    Doesn’t mean to say it needs to takeover your life.
    Oh and by the way, Kiwiblog is social media.
    But DEEdee and Falu don’t use that do they. :lol:

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  23. DeeDee (75 comments) says:

    Viking2
    The rights of the child? To be loved and protected stands out in my mind.
    Your forgetting The responsibility of the parent.
    Its a balance wouldnt you say based on each individual situation. My husband and I set the ground rules in the house, some are negotiable dependent on the situation. Internet access happens to be one of those. No internet after 9pm but if she’s completed her chores she may be given extra time on the weekend.

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  24. DavidC (179 comments) says:

    Sofia and meh.
    Its a pretty sad indictment of the state of Liarbore that no one is working behind the scene to try and keep some voters onside even if (quite wisely) they dont want to be associated with this upcomming election defeat.
    Goof and Mallard are killing off support at an epic pace.
    I am picking that the LP’s support is going to tank bigtime, masses of LP supporters just wont bother, with watermelons and winstonfirst doing well out of the whole deal.

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  25. DeeDee (75 comments) says:

    Viking2
    Your funny, last time I looked I wasnt my own child!! Of course my daughter can access social media but that will be when she is at least 14. Simple.
    Reason? she can be exposed to abuse online, my husband and I have made that choice in our home. Others can make their own choices.

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  26. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Viking2 – regretting all those times you voted for Winston?

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  27. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Viking2 said…
    But DEEdee and Falu don’t use that do they

    We’re arguing about kids use of social media here. Watching too much TV for kids is a distraction/over-entertainment otherwise, you can tell your kids to watch DVDs all day at the weekend. Adults have done their learning/education, so their (adult’s) use of social media or watching TVs don’t matter.

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  28. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    Recently completed a survey on this for a year 10 student. I found it sad that she had no idea about blogs did not even know it was social media. School are lagging behind. Like the attitude to wiki,kids should be encouraged to use this resource properly as in looking behind the posts following links and judging the quality of information not just the content. Many schools just discourage its use full stop

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  29. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    Liam Gallagher’s recently opened fashion boutique Pretty Green in King Street had its windows smashed and was ransacked by looters.

    What a shame (that I can’t find a video of it)

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  30. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    All ways back to the rain. Whens it going to stop I have got work waiting yet the contractors can not get on site to wet its been eight weeks of waiting.All off us are losing money. Is this our new weather up here in the north

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  31. meh (165 comments) says:

    DAvidC I think you’re right – I’ve never (and likely never will) voted for them and those I talk to who will seem to be die hard supporters (firefighters, etc) who are more anti-national than pro-labour. Their swing voters will run away in droves…

    what scares me is the prospect of Winston’s baubles roaming around parliament once again.

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  32. kowtow (7,590 comments) says:

    Morning Report at 818 today.

    Taxpayer funded radio hosting Black Power and Mongrel Mob members on NZ youth.

    That is outrageous.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport

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  33. lastmanstanding (1,204 comments) says:

    Did you see the 2 suits from adidas on Closeup last night. Talk about a PR disaster. They just kept digging themselves into a deeper hole.
    They were obviously sent by HO to ‘sort out those dumb Kiwis” and failed.
    How thick can a company be to try and gouge the price of their product in these days when we can buy on line. And then close down the online facility.

    To the lawyers out there Shouldnt the Commerce Commission be investigating this?

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  34. Michaels (1,317 comments) says:

    On the poll on the sidebar there needs to be another option….
    NONE.
    The only time I EVER go to any of them is if there is a link to something of interest or something damn stupid.

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  35. Lucia Maria (2,206 comments) says:

    DeeDee,

    Good on you.

    I don’t let my children use FaceBook either, and they are aged 10 and 14.

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  36. 3-coil (1,200 comments) says:

    Michaels (11:04am) – totally agree!

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  37. Lance (2,442 comments) says:

    We only let our daughter have a cellphone (with limit credits) when she was 9 because she catches the Auckland trains home.
    The service and organisation is so piss poor they do things like stop the train at a station only 1/2 way into the journey and tell the occupants to fuck off. No organised buses, no nothing. Between that an long delays with no explanations or statements if any trains will ever come that way again make it bloody difficult for kids to arrive home.

    So she has a cellphone so she can call us and we can come and take her home from various random stations along the Western rail line. Once this was a frequent event but recently has become much better.

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  38. Mick Mac (1,091 comments) says:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/but_these_ferals_do_not_consent_to_being_policed/

    Brian Smaller was correct, shoot them in the streets.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/british-rioters-the-spawn-of-a-bankrupt-ruling-elite/story-e6frg6zo-1226112640970

    But that only deals with now, these young people have been bred and indoctrinated into their lifestyle.
    How to change that is a problem.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/european-model-a-wretched-failure/story-e6frg6zo-1226112635531
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/soft-policing-failed-britain/story-e6frfhqf-1226112680672

    This war on the streets won’t stop until the state wins!
    Then they have to change the way they deal with the people who break the law going forward.

    Wholesale sackings in the police hierarchy and the resignation of the home secretary may help spur change but what can be done on the ground with the thousands who have tasted a new freedom to do what they will when they will to whom they will?

    Moreover the very people who pay their taxes to be protected and have bought in to the lie that they will be protected by the police if they don’t defend themselves to the fullest extent that the law allows. now face an uncertain future as they know beyond a doubt that they cannot be protected by those governing them.
    Will they vote them out next time or rely on hope and change?

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  39. kowtow (7,590 comments) says:

    Any one interested in the disaffected yoof bollox being pushed so hard by our MSM should have a look at the latest posting on the inspectorgadget website.And it rightly comes with a health warning.

    By the way the first one on charges is 31 ,employed in a school and doesn’t appear to be of Anglo Saxon/Celtic/Roman/Norman ancestry.

    http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/the-patience-of-a-saint/

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  40. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    DeeDee (61) Says:
    August 11th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Viking2
    The rights of the child? To be loved and protected stands out in my mind.
    Your forgetting The responsibility of the parent.
    Its a balance wouldnt you say based on each individual situation. My husband and I set the ground rules in the house, some are negotiable dependent on the situation. Internet access happens to be one of those. No internet after 9pm but if she’s completed her chores she may be given extra time on the weekend.

    Quite right but the problem is reality. IMHO its better to educate them in the proper use so that they are able to spot danger when it lurks. Would you not let her cross the road because she might get hit by a vehilce or do you teach her how to cross safely? The sooner you teach that safety the better. you do not have her attention 24/7so saftey is better.

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  41. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Rodders (1,217) Says:
    August 11th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Viking2 – regretting all those times you voted for Winston?

    Fail. Never have but he did get our new harbour bridge built and for that I applaud him. Use it all the time and its made a huge difference. None of the Nat. mp’s have been capable of getting anything for Tauranga. Ryall has but he’s the next door MP who should be in charge of both electorates.
    The other pimple face is a non event.

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  42. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Falafulu Fisi (1,169) Says:
    August 11th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Viking2 said…
    But DEEdee and Falu don’t use that do they

    We’re arguing about kids use of social media here. Watching too much TV for kids is a distraction/over-entertainment otherwise, you can tell your kids to watch DVDs all day at the weekend. Adults have done their learning/education, so their (adult’s) use of social media or watching TVs don’t matter.

    Now Falu you know better than that.
    One should never give up learning. I never will. Even when they nail the lid down there will be something to learn. Like, is it Heaven or Hell and do either have lots of nubile young ladies? (Among other things.) :lol:

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  43. DeeDee (75 comments) says:

    Viking2
    “Would you not let her cross the road because she might get hit by a vehilce or do you teach her how to cross safely? The sooner you teach that safety the better. you do not have her attention 24/7so saftey is better.”

    Your splitting hairs arent you? She is very proficient in using the internet, she uses You Tube on occasion and will ask us before she subscribes to any channels. She uses her email to contact family members overseas, she also skypes friends and family overseas. As I said earlier, she will use the net for school projects and she doesnt miss Facebook because she’s never used it. She may in the future but she will have had an excellent grounding in safety on the net before then.

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  44. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    V2 “Like, is it Heaven or Hell ”
    Do u really wont to go to heaven all those self rightness people getting wot they want sounds more like hell to me. No sex no alcohol or recreational drugs no debate no one but loads of god botherers hell sounds better at least U will get to meet interesting people

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  45. DeeDee (75 comments) says:

    Lance
    I have given my daughter a cell phone before, when she went to her school disco she rung home when she wanted to be picked up.
    If she were travelling on public transport in Auckland I would give her a phone – safety first.

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  46. pdm (842 comments) says:

    Lance I have great difficulty understanding why you would have your 9 year old daughter travelling home from school in Central Auckland to where ever by train on her own.

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  47. KevinH (1,131 comments) says:

    Social media is somewhat of a red herring in analysing the fallout of the London riots. That is not to say that communications played a role in the orchestration of the riots , but in isolation it was not exclusively the cause.
    Dr Bronwyn Haywood a researcher from Canterbury University appeared on Close Up last night to offer her insight into the causes for the riots and also for her comment on whether it could happen here.
    Dr Haywood has been studying this youth phenomenon in the UK and attributed the causes to variety of sources but essentially compartmentalised her findings into three catergories.
    Firstly it was her view that high unemployment amongest youth set the background for the violence, anger and resentment being the motivating factors.
    Secondly youth saturated suburbs where overcrowding and competition for resources played a significant role.This has led to turf wars where gangs compete for the control of the drug trade, and violence is seen as a mechanism for achieving prosperity.
    Thirdly and most telling was the assertion that this generation of young people will have outcomes worse than their parents as a result of the inability of the youth to improve upon the social mobility of their parents, the perception being that youth are trapped socially with little likelihood of improving upon their situation.

    This of course paints a bleak picture for England and Europe, and it will be a monumental challenge for the young to adapt to these constrained circumstances.

    Dr Haywood completed her analysis of the situation by pointing directly to an area where youth in England have been considerably demotivated ; Education.
    The current Tory government in England in an austerity drive to rain in balloning costs in the education sector, had made some unwise cuts in the tertiary sector which is feeding into the social problems that we have witnessed. Those cuts in removing education subsidies, raising tertiary fee’s, and also raising enrollement costs have had the effect of making education exclusive to the wealthy or well connected.

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  48. thedavincimode (6,530 comments) says:

    So tell us V2, when did you start advocating for interference in the way that responsible parents choose to parent? And do you fancy yourself as the judge and jury or do you prefer to delegate that to the state (but under your supervision of course)?

    You might find yourself more at home at the Stranded or redblert.

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  49. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    From Richard Swainson in the Waikato Times.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/5411597/A-Kronic-case-of-applying-political-expediency

    Not a fan of Peter Dunne….read on

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  50. Pete George (22,773 comments) says:

    KevinH – interesting. While the current Government may have contributed to the problems surely many of the factors were already well and truly in place, some of them long ago. It’s far too big and complex to attribute anything more than minor weight on one recent chnage in policy.

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  51. mikenmild (10,630 comments) says:

    The researcher also felt that similar problems would emerge here, given our comparatively high rate of youth unemployment, but I doubt the tendency to violence is that clearly linked to one specific problem.

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  52. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    When the cause of rioting is aimed at the banker occupation derailing the world economy because the people have awoken to
    the truth of financial terroists Ben Bernancke, Jamie Dymon, Tim (no downgrade) Geithner and Lloyd Blankfein for a start
    things will change.

    Unfortunately so will police tolerance. If such an awakening came to the world, as in Greece where lawyers are filing charges against Goldman Sachs as well as the New York state prosecutor), the criminal banks would push for martial law and soldiers in the streets.

    There will be no tolerance when the masses awake to the financial terroism of the US banking and Wall St occupation.

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  53. Pete George (22,773 comments) says:

    From Richard Swainson in the Waikato Times.

    Sounds like a cronic case of wanting to be able to sell drugs with no responsibility for their safety – and no rsponsibility even for the ingredients.

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  54. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    No charges are being laid in an incident early this morning in which a 19-year-old Melville man claimed to have found a 40-year-old woman in his bed.

    Waikato police were called to a domestic incident at a house after the man’s mother apparently discovered the naked woman undressing the man in his bed.

    The pair had apparently been drinking together at the woman’s house.

    But police found there were no grounds for charges to be laid.

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  55. Scott Chris (5,871 comments) says:

    Orderly Looters Queue Up To Pillage:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/09/article-2023924-0D5B42B600000578-663_964x640.jpg

    Only in England.

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  56. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    So here’s how to make the world’s easiest $1 billion:
    STEP 1: Form a bank.
    STEP 2: Round up a bunch of unemployed friends to be “bankers.”
    STEP 3: Raise $1 billion of equity. (This is the only tricky step. And it’s not that tricky. See below.*)
    STEP 4: Borrow $9 billion from the Fed at an annual cost of 0.25%.
    STEP 5: Buy $10 billion of 30-year Treasuries paying 4.45%
    STEP 6: Sit back and watch the cash flow in.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-how-to-make-the-worlds-easiest-10-billion-2009-12#ixzz1UglYzzhz

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  57. noskire (831 comments) says:

    Was it Richard Branson that said the fastest way to become a millionaire was to first be a billionaire and then buy an airline?

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  58. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    Branson: “What’s the quickest way to become a millionaire? Borrow fivers off everyone you meet.”

    Amazingly this is exactly the approach several acquaintances have used every time I see them in the pub. I never realised it was actually a strategy though, and they show no signs of being millionaires (although the pub was just renovated, I suspect on the back of my benevolence).

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  59. KH (687 comments) says:

    To solve the ‘youth problem’ — they need to be employed.
    So government needs to create an environment (or an economy)
    Where;
    1. Any ‘youth’ can get a job easily. ie same day.
    2. they are able to live on their income.
    3. Employers are able to run viable businesses employing people (2 and 3 mean low taxes and compliance costs)
    4. Workers via their incomes are able to provide for themselves eg own their own houses etc.
    5. Employers own their own facilities and not live on the brink of foreclosure.
    Fiddling around the edges with income redistributions is not useful. It’s not a social welfare problem.
    Fiddling around with ‘education’ and ‘skills upgrade’ is not useful either. One of the defining modern features of third world countries is endemic unemployment of university graduates.
    All of which means SMEs and a reduction in the role of large corporates and foreign ownership. And low debt levels.

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  60. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    1 pay them youth rates and benefits, employment target education
    2 see 3
    3 flat tax no distortions wealth transfers loopholes and rorts less compliance cost and 1
    4 see 3 and teach them to save and not spend on shit
    5 see 3

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  61. noskire (831 comments) says:

    @KH

    1. Any youth (and by definition of youth in the worforce, I’m assuming you are referring to those that have left school and have no – or are not working towards – tertiary qualification) can most probably get a job that will pay what they are skilled for, i.e. McDonalds, or retail.
    2. If schools and parents taught financial management to youth, they would be able to live on their income.
    3. If you’re going to run a business, it need’s to be profitable. Don’t rely on the State to prop you up.
    4. Refer 2.
    5. Refer 2 and 3.

    One of the biggest problems NZ Inc faces is it’s focus as a tourism destination – probably our biggest export earner, yet tourism workers in general earn less than the average wage. It’s not a way to create wealth – but just get by.

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  62. starboard (2,463 comments) says:

    “Orderly Looters Queue Up To Pillage”

    shoot the first two and make it messy..the rest will dissipate quickly..

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  63. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    If you got the angle Right and used full metal jacketed ammo you could get all in one shot and save money on ammo as well

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  64. starboard (2,463 comments) says:

    true..thats why I suggested only taking 2 scum out first and letting the other filth run away like rats..but I like your plan..very good , very messy..message sent to other ferals.

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  65. Steve (4,491 comments) says:

    Geeze General Debate is boring today, just like yesterday.
    I was pulling your tit Griff, but you knew that :

    Where are all of the pinkos today?

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  66. starboard (2,463 comments) says:

    “Where are all of the pinkos today?”

    well milkymike will be cooking rodders dinner..they will then have a little spooning session and re-appear on GD in about an hour

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  67. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    hmm tits see the nipple on foot could have been my foot as well

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  68. Steve (4,491 comments) says:

    Yeah that was just a nasty burn not a nipple. What a dreamer. Nipple on the foot HA!

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  69. Steve (4,491 comments) says:

    milkymilo is prob doing union shit for the wellinton rail. At least that’s what I think he does, I’ve been wrong before

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  70. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    hedavincimode (1,916) Says:
    August 11th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    So tell us V2, when did you start advocating for interference in the way that responsible parents choose to parent? And do you fancy yourself as the judge and jury or do you prefer to delegate that to the state (but under your supervision of course)?

    You might find yourself more at home at the Stranded or redblert.

    Setlle down dvc.
    I never said anything like that at all. I also said that i agreed with DD being a responsible parent but I did point out the flaws in her argument.
    Never would I advocate that the state should sleep with the parent. Its immoral.

    and surely you jest. Either that or you don’t take much in when you are reading kiwiblog. Mind you somedays it does look like the Stranded Blurt.
    But David really is such a nice guy. Its just the company he keeps during the day. you know, MM,Rodders, Pete et al.

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  71. starboard (2,463 comments) says:

    that be right ..he always struck me as being a union type gooey pinko liberal space waster.

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  72. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    ACC Minister Nick Smith says recent turmoil on international financial markets has reversed the gains the Corporation made on its investments over the past financial year, but will not affect plans to reduce levies.

    The Government announced in June that workers and businesses would get a reduction in their levies after ACC, which it labelled insolvent two years ago, bounced back with an expected $2.5 billion surplus last financial year.

    Smith said today it was expected that events of the past week would have a negative impact on ACC investments. Although he hadn’t had any specific reports, he had been advised the gains made in June would be “pretty much” reversed.

    No they won’t be reversed this election year will they Mr Smith BUT next year will see us in bankruptcy again.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5430388/Market-turmoil-won-t-stop-ACC-levy-cuts-Govt

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  73. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    http://www.cityam.com/news-and-analysis/riots-damage-uk-reputation
    “RIOTING gave way to recrimination in the capital yesterday, with the first wave of alleged troublemakers appearing in court.Among them were teaching assistant Alexis Bailey; Laura Johnson, the grammar school educated daughter of a rich businessman and an 11-year-old child.”

    yobbos aren’t all tea cosy’s, darkies, pull starts, or push buttons. Board youths and cell phones out for some excitement just like boy racers how many idiots have you seen taking photos in the coverage

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  74. Steve (4,491 comments) says:

    Nick Smith may want to read all of those emails I sent him. He never responded to a single one, just fowarded them to anyone that would give me a PC reply (thanks Pansy) My involvement with ACC is not over, it’s just fucking starting.
    You are going to get a roasting at Election time Smith

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  75. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Where’s Luc. Hasn’t he been allowed to play with his computer today.
    Perhaps DD is his mother?

    http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/if-the-ipcc-was-a-corporation-its-leaders-would-be-in-jaiprison-auditor/

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  76. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Gees it’s not Luc’s day at all.

    http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/well-done-dompost/

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  77. nasska (10,623 comments) says:

    Two sisters, one blonde and one brunette, inherit the family ranch. Unfortunately, after just a few years, they are in financial trouble. In order to keep the bank from repossessing the ranch, they need to purchase a bull so that they can breed their own stock.
    The brunette balances their checkbook, then takes their last $600 dollars out west to another ranch where a man has a prize bull for sale.
    Upon leaving, she tells her sister, “When I get there, if I decide to buy the bull, I’ll contact you to drive out after me and haul it home.”
    The brunette arrives at the man’s ranch, inspects the bull, and decides she does want to buy it. The man tells her that he can sell it for $599, no less.
    After paying him, she drives to the nearest town to send her sister a telegram to tell her the news. She walks into the telegraph office, and says, “I want to send a telegram to my sister telling her that I’ve bought a bull for our ranch. I need her to hitch the trailer to our pickup truck and drive out here so we can haul it home.”
    The telegraph operator explains that he’ll be glad to help her, then adds, “It’s just 99 cents a word.”
    Well, after paying for the bull, the brunette only has $1 left. She realizes that she’ll only be able to send her sister one word. After thinking for a few minutes, she nods, and says, “I want you to send her the word, ‘comfortable.’”
    The telegraph operator shakes his head. “How is she ever going to know that you want her to hitch the trailer to your pickup truck and drive out here to haul that bull back to your ranch if you send her the word, ‘comfortable’?”
    The brunette explains, “My sister’s blonde, she’ll read it very slowly.”

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  78. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    my down loads today

    Trains can fly Rick Steel
    Hard Rain Robert Zinnerman
    Someones gona get there head kicked in to nite Fleetwood mac
    Rubber Bullets Ten CC
    Why dont you all go get f….. Sky Hooks

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  79. Steve (4,491 comments) says:

    FINE

    This is the word women use to end an argument when they are right and you need to shut up.

    FIVE MINUTES

    If she is getting dressed, this is half an hour. Five minutes is only five minutes if you have just been given 5 more minutes to watch the game before helping around the house.

    NOTHING

    This is the calm before the storm. This means “something,” and you should be on your toes. Arguments that begin with ‘Nothing’ usually end in “Fine”

    GO AHEAD

    This is a dare, not permission. Don’t do it.

    LOUD SIGH

    This is not actually a word, but is a non-verbal statement often misunderstood by men. A “Loud Sigh” means she thinks you are an idiot and wonders why she is wasting her time standing here and arguing with you over “Nothing”
    THAT’S OKAY

    This is one of the most dangerous statements that a woman can make to a man. “That’s Okay” means that she wants to think long and hard before deciding how and when you will pay for your mistake.

    THANKS

    A woman is thanking you. Do not question it or faint. Just say you’re welcome.

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  80. Steve (4,491 comments) says:

    I THINK WE ALL KNOW SOME PEOPLE LIKE THIS. DON’T WE?!

    Stupid people should have to wear signs that just say, “I’m
    Stupid.” That way you wouldn’t rely on them, would you? You wouldn’t ask
    them anything. It would be like, “Excuse me… oops, never mind. Didn’t see
    your sign”

    It’s like before my wife and I moved.Our house was full of boxes and there was a Wridgeways truck in our driveway. My neighbour comes over and says, “Hey, you moving?”
    “Nope. We just pack our stuff up once or twice a week to see how
    many boxes it takes.
    Here’s your sign.”

    A couple of months ago I went fishing with a mate of mine, we pulled his boat into the ramp, I lifted up this big whiting and this idiot on the ramp goes,
    “Hey, you catch all them fish?” “Nope. Talked ‘em into giving up.
    Here’s your sign.”

    I was watching one of those animal shows on the Discovery Channel.
    There was a guy inventing a shark bite suit. And there’s only one way to test it.
    “Alright Jimmy, you got that shark suit on, it looks good…
    They want you to jump into this pool of sharks, and you tell us if it hurts
    when they bite you.”
    “Well, all right, but hold my sign. I don’t wanna lose it”.

    Last time I had a flat tyre, I pulled my car into a gas station. The attendant walks out, looks at my car, looks at me, and I SWEAR he said,
    “Tyre go flat?” I couldn’t resist. I said, “Nope. I was driving around and
    those other three just swelled up on me.
    Here’s your sign.”

    We were trying to sell our car about a year ago. A guy came over to the house and drove the car around for about 45 minutes. We get back to the house, he gets out of the car, reaches down and grabs the exhaust pipe, then says, “Shit, that’s hot!”
    See? If he’d been wearing his sign, I could have stopped him.

    I learned to drive an semi-trailer in my days of adventure. Wouldn’t you know I misjudged the height of a bridge. The truck got stuck and I couldn’t get it out no matter how I
    tried. I radioed in for help and eventually a cop shows up to take the
    report. He went through his basic questioning. Ok.. No problem. I thought sure he was clear of needing a sign…until he asked “So. Is your truck stuck?” I couldn’t help myself!
    I looked at him, looked back at the rig and then back to him and said “No I’m delivering a bridge…
    Here’s your sign.”

    I stayed late at work one night and a co-worker looked at me
    and said “Are you still here?” I replied, “No. I left about 10 minutes ago.
    Here’s your sign.”

    Anybody you know need a sign today?

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  81. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Question: Why did God invent economists?
    Answer: To make weather forecasters look good!

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  82. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    You had me going really good Steve and then you tried to tell me you knew a woman that said “THANKS”, then I knew you were just making the whole thing up

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  83. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Senior Bumper Sticker.

    I beleive in having sex on the first date.
    At my age there may not be a second. :lol: ;)

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  84. nasska (10,623 comments) says:

    A woman went to a podiatrist complaining that her feet always hurt.
    He immediately noticed that she was extremely bowlegged.
    “Have you always been that way?” asked the podiatrist.
    “No,” she said, not until quite recently. “I’ve been having sex doggie
    style lately.”
    “Well,” said the podiatrist, “you are going to have to stop.”
    “I can’t,” she replied, “that’s the only way my German Shepherd does it.”

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  85. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard the concept explained any better than this.
    “Well you see,it’s like this . . . A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first..
    This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
    In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells.
    Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells.. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.

    And that is why you always feel smarter after a few drinks.”

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  86. Steve (4,491 comments) says:

    @Pauleastbay
    Thanks is associated withh tintinabulations. Warning alarmist ones

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  87. Steve (4,491 comments) says:

    Hey Griff, you are talking about the Chardonay Socialists?
    The woohoo brigade

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  88. starboard (2,463 comments) says:

    One day a lady went into a fishing shop to buy her husband a fishing pole for his birthday.

    She picked up a really nice looking pole and asked the salesman how much it was. The sales man says, “I am blind but if you give me the pole I can tell how much it is by the weight.”

    So the lady gives him the pole and he says, “That pole is worth $45.” She was amazed at how cheap that was.

    So then she picked up another really nice pole, hands it to the man and he says, “This pole is worth $55.” she decided that was also really cheap.

    And then she picks the nicest looking pole in the place and handed it to the man and he says, “This pole is our best and it is $70.” she told him that she would take it.

    As she was getting the fishing pole all rung up, she had to fart really really badly. She decided since the man was blind that it really wouldn’t matter if she farted in front of him so she just let it loose.

    All of a sudden the man says, “It all comes up to $80.”

    Confused the lady says to him, “But you said the fishing pole was only $70.”

    He said, “It is. Its $70 for the fishing pole and $10 for the duck call.”

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  89. nasska (10,623 comments) says:

    A man enters the confessional and says “Bless me father for I have sinned; it has been one month since my last confession. I’ve had sex with Fannie Green every week for the last month.”
    The priest tells the sinner, “You are forgiven. Go out and say three ‘Hail Mary’s’.”
    Soon, another man enters the confessional. “Father, it has been two months since my last confession. I have had sex with Fannie Green twice a week for the last two months.”
    This time the priest asks, “Who is this Fannie Green?”
    “A new woman in the neighbourhood,” the sinner replies.
    “Very well,” says the priest. “Go and say ten ‘Hail Mary’s’.”
    The next morning in church, the priest is preparing to deliver his sermon when a gorgeous, tall woman enters the church. All the men’s eyes fall upon her as she slowly sashays up the aisle and sits down in front of the altar. Her dress is green and very short, with matching very shiny emerald green shoes.
    The priest and altar boy gasp as the woman sits down with her legs slightly spread apart, Sharon Stone style.
    The priest turns to the altar boy and whispering asks, “Is that Fannie Green?”
    The altar boy replies, “No Father, I think it’s just the reflection off her shoes.”

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  90. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    Two Australian businessmen in Brisbane were sitting down for a break in their new store. As yet, the store wasn’t ready, with no stock and only a few shelves set up.
    One said to the other, ‘I bet any minute now some idiot tourist is going to walk by, put his face to the window, and ask what we’re selling’.
    No sooner were the words out of his mouth when, sure enough, a curious Japanese tourist walked to the window, had a peek, and in a thick Japanese accent asked ‘What you sell?’ One of the men replied sarcastically, ‘We’re selling arse-holes.’

    Without skipping a beat, the Japanese man said,
    ‘Ah Sooo You doing velly well, only two left’.

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  91. Steve (4,491 comments) says:

    I like that Griff :)

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  92. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    For DD and Lucia.

    “There are two things we should give our children, one is roots, the other is wings”

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  93. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    Best Divorce Letter Ever
    Dear wife,

    I’m writing you this letter to tell you that I’m leaving you forever. I’ve
    been a good man to you for seven years and I have nothing to show for it.

    These last two weeks have been hell. Your boss called to tell me that you
    quit your job today and that was the last straw.

    Last week, you came home and didn’t even notice that I had a new haircut,
    had cooked your favorite meal and even wore a brand new pair of silk boxers.

    You ate in two minutes, and went straight to sleep after watching all of
    your soaps.

    You don’t tell me you love me anymore; you don’t want sex or anything that
    connects us as husband and wife. Either you’re cheating on me or you don’t
    love me anymore; whatever the case, I’m gone.

    Your EX-Husband

    P.S. don’t try to find me. Your SISTER and I are moving away to West
    Virginia together!

    Have a great life!

    …………………………………………………………………………………………………

    Dear Ex-Husband,

    Nothing has made my day more than receiving your letter.

    It’s true that you and I have been married for seven years, although a good
    man is a far cry from what you’ve been.

    I watch my soaps so much because they drown out your constant whining and
    griping. Too bad that doesn’t work.

    I DID notice when you got a hair cut last week, but the first thing that
    came to mind was ‘You look just like a girl!’

    Since my mother raised me not to say anything if you can’t say something
    nice, I didn’t comment.

    And when you cooked my favorite meal, you must have gotten me confused with
    MY SISTER, because I stopped eating pork seven years ago.

    About those new silk boxers: I turned away from you because the $49.99 price
    tag was still on them, and I prayed that it was a coincidence that my sister
    had just borrowed fifty dollars from me that morning.

    After all of this, I still loved you and felt that we could work it out.
    So when I hit the lotto for ten million dollars, I quit my job and bought us
    two tickets to Jamaica . But when I got home you were gone. Everything
    happens for a reason, I guess. I hope you have the fulfilling life you
    always wanted. My lawyer said that the letter you wrote ensures you won’t
    get a dime from me. So take care.

    Signed,

    Your Ex-Wife, Rich As Hell and Free!

    P.S. I don’t know if I ever told you this, but my sister Carla was born
    Carl. I hope that’s not a problem.

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  94. nasska (10,623 comments) says:

    Why not try this one, go into a live sex chat, and type “Mum is that you?” in to the chat box, then watch the humour ensue.

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  95. kowtow (7,590 comments) says:

    Great item by T Dalrymple on the riots.

    Quite short and to the point so it won’t tax your extreme right wing nationalist brain cell.:)

    http://www.city-journal.org/2011/eon0810td.html

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  96. Griff (6,708 comments) says:

    Robert A. Heinlein

    A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.

    A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill.

    An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

    Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat.

    Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors… and miss.

    Being right too soon is socially unacceptable.

    By cultivating the beautiful we scatter the seeds of heavenly flowers, as by doing good we cultivate those that belong to humanity.

    Don’t ever become a pessimist… a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events.

    Don’t handicap your children by making their lives easy.

    Everything is theoretically impossible, until it is done.

    For me, politeness is a sine qua non of civilization.

    I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.

    I don’t see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes.

    I never learned from a man who agreed with me.

    It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.

    It’s an indulgence to sit in a room and discuss your beliefs as if they were a juicy piece of gossip.

    Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own… Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition. The immature mind often mistakes one for the other, or assumes that the greater the love, the greater the jealousy.

    May you live as long as you wish and love as long as you live.

    Never insult anyone by accident.

    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

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  97. Other_Andy (2,268 comments) says:

    Gang members and youth advocates say New Zealand leaders should take note of the rioting in Britain and engage with young people in this country before it is too late.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/82280/riots-'a-warning'-to-engage-with-youth

    Like the meme……
    “Give me more money or the puppy\the kid will get it!”

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  98. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Being right too soon is socially unacceptable.

    I know about this. Happens to me all the time on kiwiblog. :lol:

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  99. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Another unrecognized Kiwi. And what a story, years if secrecy by Govt. finally ends. Amazing, brave and one wonders what the Nips will have to say when ot all becomes a public record. Perhaps we should ask the Brits why they have kept it secret for 66 Years.

    Prisoner’s secret war dossier
    SHANE COWLISHAW
    Last updated 05:00 12/08/2011

    During more than three years as a prisoner of war, Kiwi David Nelson covertly scribbled notes on toilet paper and scraps of material – but when the war ended, his invaluable secret records disappeared without a trace.

    The documents, compiled by Captain Nelson, who spent the entire Japanese occupation of Singapore at a POW camp in Changi, record the details and fate of more than 100,000 prisoners who were kept at the facility or moved to forced labour camps across Asia.

    With paper and the keeping of any records forbidden by the Japanese, Captain Nelson scribbled the information on anything he could find.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5433037/Prisoners-secret-war-dossier

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  100. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Farmer Cres residents furious at holdups
    PAUL EASTON
    Last updated 05:00 12/08/2011

    The demolition of state houses on a Lower Hutt street has left it looking like the Gaza Strip, frustrated residents say.

    Twenty-seven Housing New Zealand homes in Pomare’s Farmer Cres have been pulled down, with a further 61 earmarked for demolition next month.

    Housing NZ has not yet decided what will replace the homes, and it plans to grass over the empty land in the meantime.

    Farmer Cres residents and local leaders shared concerns over the delay at a community meeting last night.

    One would hope that Housing NZ never rebuild here. What makes these scum think that they are entitled to our money and a new house. Long overdue action and a lesson for the scum. HNZ may just have to do a couple more actions like this before the scum learn to respect the hand that feeds them.
    Full marks to Heatley and HNZ. Just don’t cave into the whingers, moaners, Trevors et al.

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  101. mikenmild (10,630 comments) says:

    Knowing the Pomare area a little, what is needed there is a mix of development; rather than rebuilding what was there. What was an excellent development in the 1950s is not the same as today’s requirements.

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