Viking2

You really are a slimy piece of trash ain’t you.

Ah, my comment the other day, what was it…white trailer park trash? Get under your skin, darling? You know what they say, if the cap fits…

Tell you what, why don’t YOU be a real man and post under your real name like I do!

It is silly to make employers pay $13 an hour to school kids for collecting trolleys at the supermarket, etc.

I earned $1.50 p/h for my first job, and really appreciated every cent.

This is National being more concerned about hanging onto the baubles of office than the tens of thousands of youth who want/need a job. I just shake my head in disbelief.

Stump up the petty cash for 30000 young people then.
Loyalty lasts just as long as the pay cheque comes from your hands, Stop it and see how long hungry bellies enjoy your perceived loyalty.

blockquote>So the question is; what do we have to do to get each small business to employone more person?

Offhand, I’m guessing the answer would include the word “subsidy”.

You really are a slimy piece of trash ain’t you.
We have subsidies now and they are limited in their ability to get people into work.
Like anything socialist they are band aids on the real problem.

But until you get out and about and move from nappies to real mens work you will never understand it will you?

Offhand, I’m guessing the answer would include the word “subsidy”.

Incidentially if it is so wrong to have different minimum wages, based on age – then why it is okay to have different dole payments based on age?

It’s not OK. There should be one rate for all single people, young or old. That should be natural ACT policy.

As I have said here before, when I began employing people on my own account, I employed kids and saw them work just as effectively as the adults. So I ended up employing them all at the lowest adult rate and moving them onto full rates after three months. The difference between youth rates and adult rates is just petty cash to the employer but significant to the young person. I gained a lot of staff loyalty with my attitude, as well.

Why are we surprised at the level of youth suicide when large numbers are locked out of the workforce by government regulation? It’s OK to draw $4.50 an hour on dole doing absolutely nothing but rotting away, but not OK to work for twice that hourly rate.

National has blood on its hands. It’s disgusting. ACT at least has the guts to tell the truth and proposes something that could actually fix this problem.

Monique go and do some homework instead of prattling on in gossip fashion.

http://www.act.org.nz/news/creating-new-jobs-thats-what-its-about

http://www.act.org.nz/news/national%E2%80%99s-message-to-youth-stay-on-the-couch

@Viking2
Thanks for the links to the ACT propaganda. Can’t find the links to the independent studies proving the as yet unproven theory that if you cut the pay-rate of a certain group they are more likely to be employed.

Speaking of theories. I have a theory that you’d have commented differently if my handle was a pseudonym – say BigBoy101 instead of my real name.

Say what you will about prattling. I’ll sit here in my sanity sniggering about how the Don unwittingly aligned himself with socialism by saying it’s better that more people get paid less.

Oh – there was one piece of text in the actaganda that I related to:
‘Do you know a young person struggling to find work’?
Yes- I just employed her this week. She’s a teenager, offered to work for ten bucks an hour. She’s competent and I didn’t want to pay her less than the adult minimum as I believe it’s bad for an ongoing working relationship and ultimately productivity. Paying less doesn’t necessarily benefit the worker or the business. Don’t get me wrong I don’t believe we should be completely beholden to unions – I just don’t believe in a youth rate.
I believe in apprenticeships funded thru some level of co-operation of Polytechs with work places. especially for boys. Unemployed teenagers should be in a combination of training and work. In my humble opinion. ‘My’ young person I have just employed is receiving the adult minimum wage and training through an outside agency. At the end of three to six months, she’ll be a good do-er, completely competent in her role and I’ll have had the benefit of having someone else train her – this could be extended to anything even professions.

How about instead of minimum wages, information is provided to stupid people on wages below a certain level to inform them of what a market rate for their job should be instead of punishing the rest of us?
Say a quarterly meeting with a MSD officer for people earning below the current minimum wage?

The quality of your English is impressive. I am definitely going to take you far more seriously from now on.

Well you should know, being an expert and all and having special insight into Key’s thinking.

Oh wait….

I think he’s got most of his aims achieved for the banks.

Assume 154,000 unemployed (last time I checked the stats) and divide by 0.8 = 192,500.

“So the question is; what do we have to do to get each small business toemployone more person?”

If nothing is ever complicated, I’ll look forward to you answering your own question…

Viking2, I’m guessing when you left school there was a surplus of jobs available, probably around the time we were also importing Pacific Islanders to meet the shortfall (and years later deporting them as ‘over-stayers’, another story), and an able bodied young man could probably earn more as a labourer or freezing-worker than his teacher was making.

NZ will never again have enough jobs at the low-skill level to be able to offer anywhere near full employment. The only option (and I predict we’ll see this next term) is for the government to make jobs (e.g. ‘conservation jobs’) – work for the dole schemes. Alternatives are to abandon free trade and return to protectionism, fix our dollar low, and abolish the minimum wage.

Yep but there were still people who didn’t work and others that worked for all sorts of wages.
School is not the be alland end all of learning for everyone. Most of us at heart are not socialist and are capable of getting on with life given the oppourtunity. The fact that you sad buggers can’t shouldn’t be our problem.

It takes enterprise to create jobs but unfortunatley enterprise in NZ consists fo being overruled by politics and bueracrats of all kinds and that’s why we don’t have enough jobs. Remove the barriers to jobs and job creation and we would be hunting for staff as we were a few years back. To say that there will never be enough jobs tells me that you lack gumption, ambition, ideas, and are truly a piss poor excuse for a leader of any kind.

There are thousands of small busineses in NZ. Can’t remember how many but many,many thousands. If 80% of them employ 1, yep just one then we wouldn’t have enough people.
Its that simple.
So the question is; what do we have to do to get each small business toemployone more person?

Nothing is ever complicated. (except by people unable to think properly)

But of course that common sense and Gumints and expecially Socilaists dont do common sense