A media fail

September 20th, 2011 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

has a great scoop.

The had a big article on a family struggling to make ends meet in Hamilton. The mother is quoted as saying she could never vote National, used to vote Labour but this time thinks the best option for her is to vote .

Nowhere in the article do they mention her partner, and father of her child, is the Green Party candidate for Hamilton East – .

This is not a trivial oversight. It undermines the entire article.  It means either the Waikato Times never asked if they had a political affiliation, or they knew and didn’t care.

I think the fault lies not only with the newspaper though. To agree to be interviewed as a typical struggling family, who have decided to vote Green, without disclosing the father/partner is the Green Party candidate is rather unethical.

UPDATE: This appeared today:

This is very interesting. First it tells us that this was pretty much a Green Party sting. Even worse according to the Waikato Times they say they specifically asked Ms Campbell if she had any links to the Greens.

It is interesting that they used Twitter to obtain interview subjects. It makes it far more likely those with a political agenda will be interviewed as they are more likely to volunteer. Once upon a time would have used networks to hunt out a family to profile. Better to profile someone who does not volunteer but somewhat grudgingly consents. They are more likely to be genuine.

If the Waikato Times did ask Ms Campbell for any links to the Green Party, then one can’t hold them responsible for being lied to. However we don’t know exactly what they asked and exactly what the answer was. I think there is still a lesson here – they could have searched Twitter or used Google and discovered the link quite easily.

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61 Responses to “A media fail”

  1. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Well I’m shocked.

    Lefties being less than open and honest, who would have thunk it.

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  2. wreck1080 (3,784 comments) says:

    dpf, whaleoils star is rising — you’re gonna need to lift your game. :)

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  3. Grizz (529 comments) says:

    The Waikato Times has many credibility problems. It is like reading a younger sibling of the SST.

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  4. hmmokrightitis (1,554 comments) says:

    *Ding dong*

    “Yeah hi, is Toad home please”

    …gets popcorn…

    :)

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  5. Mark (497 comments) says:

    Actually it would be a shock if a leftie told the truth.

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  6. scanner (340 comments) says:

    Reprint of a post I made earlier in the day on Gotcha –
    Watch main­stream media dive for cover on this one, the only place this ever going to see the light of day is on blogs, which is sad really because it shows that the Greens are not above a lit­tle bit of skul­dug­gery, let the end jus­tify the means.
    This from the fine polit­i­cal party that can count amongst it’s mem­bers Brad­ford, Locke, Bun­kle, and Delahunty, all fine spec­i­mens.
    Rod Don­ald would be so proud.

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  7. Elaycee (4,321 comments) says:

    Not sure why we should be surprised – this is just a new low from the gutter Gweens.

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  8. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    toad will be along shortly to sneeringly announce that the evil right wing conspiracy are trying to scilence the poor innocent left wing majority by denying their party members access to the media.

    Easy to take aleft position really hmmokrights, you just have to assume that your audience are complete idiots and you can saything you like.

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  9. big bruv (13,453 comments) says:

    Wow…Greens telling blatant lies.

    Let’s hope that the MSM pick this up and crucify the pricks.

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  10. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Yeah we’re all holding our breath for that BB.

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  11. Viking2 (11,220 comments) says:

    Marriage made inHeaven.

    Iwi and Greenpeace unite

    Posted at 10:51am Tuesday 20th Sep, 2011

    The government is being taken to court by Greenpeace and Eastern Bay of Plenty iwi te Whanau-a-Apanui, over its decision to grant an oil exploration permit to Brazilian oil giant Petrobras.

    The government issued the permit to Petrobras last year for deep sea oil exploration in the Raukumara Basin off the East Cape.

    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/16508-iwi-and-greenpeace-unite.html

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  12. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Fascinating Viking… it has what to do with thread?

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  13. thedavincimode (6,578 comments) says:

    The story is also interesting in that it perpetuates the notion that it is socially acceptable to breed in reliance upon taxpayer handouts. 22 yo. Would she care to spare a thought for those couples that work into their thirties so that they can afford to have children?

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  14. Paulus (2,542 comments) says:

    Could Max Dillon be related to the late Hamilton Labour MP Bill Dillon ?

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  15. Steve Wrathall (256 comments) says:

    As the Climategate emails showed, the save-the-earthers really like to “hide” things.

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  16. hj (6,606 comments) says:

    Note the staleness of Frgblog these days. They have gone underground.

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  17. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Given the update it looks very much a deliberate lie from the greenie and his partner.

    Standing by for an appology for misleading the Waikato times and the NZ public toad.

    Toad?

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  18. Pete George (23,159 comments) says:

    There’s a possible less blatant explanation – naivety.

    Max Coyle is an electorate candidate only, he’s not on the Green list, so his chances of getting media attention are very low. It’s possible his partner did this, with his support or on her own, thinking it was a way they could get their toe in the media dor and do their bit to promote the party.

    So I’d go with naive, possibly a bit misleading, and probably a bit slack by the newspaper.

    It’s common for TV in particular to interview apparently random ordinary people that have little if anything to add to stories. I wondered how they recruited them.

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  19. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Bullshit.

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  20. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    Toad???

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  21. peterwn (3,192 comments) says:

    Grizz – So does Sydney Morning Herald, another Fairfax paper.

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  22. big bruv (13,453 comments) says:

    Toad!…where are you Toad????

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  23. Longknives (4,624 comments) says:

    How thick is this Melissa Campbell person? Did it not occur to her that she might be sprung??

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  24. Natty Girl (8 comments) says:

    Don’t think its naive, he was linking to the story on his twitter http://twitter.com/#!/MaxDCoyle

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  25. KiwiGreg (3,211 comments) says:

    Given it can’t be classified as news and certainly not “investigative journalism” why did they even run with this?

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  26. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    HEY TOAD!!!!

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  27. DJP6-25 (1,295 comments) says:

    Fancy the people who have always occupied the moral high ground doing such a thing. My faith in human nature is shattered.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  28. stu-tron (43 comments) says:

    he’s candidate for Ham West.

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  29. Captain Neurotic (206 comments) says:

    Check out the dudes FB page: http://www.facebook.com/maxcoyle

    I’m especially interested in the 100s of photos showing him smoking, binge drinking and using mushrooms/pot. I’m not one to play the moral high ground, nor condemn such behaviour, it’s just… that it seems to contradict the whole ‘good role models to our children’ philosophy the Greens have. Especially as he is a father…

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  30. graham (2,247 comments) says:

    A couple of weeks ago, toad made a comment on a thread about the Urewera raids:

    “FFS, the people concerned advocate decolonisation.”

    I asked what exactly did these people want? It was a serious question, and I waited for toad, as someone who seems to know these people and their aims, to reply.

    .
    .
    .

    Still waiting …

    So toad, can you answer MY question first, then get on to this one :)

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  31. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    It sums up the Luddites: despicable and vile.

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  32. gravedodger (1,526 comments) says:

    The completely dishonest Mr Struggler is not only the Candidate for Hamilton West. he holds office at Green HQ, “social something” and has multiple names.
    Max Coyle.
    Maxwell D Coyle.
    Max Dillon.
    Duplitious, conniving, opaque, bastard,
    and she, Ms Melissa Campbell spawned his child.

    They thought no one would spring them? and they think he would be good for NZ as an MP? SHEESH.

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  33. big bruv (13,453 comments) says:

    I posted a comment over at frogblog about this, it will come as no surprise that it has been deleted.

    The Greens = control freaks.

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  34. Longknives (4,624 comments) says:

    I’m always suspicious of persons who have multiple names/identities….I hope WINZ are too!!

    Captain Neurotic- Those photos arent able to be accessed without becoming a ‘Facebook Friend’ of this dodgy character. But if what you say is true and Mr Dillon (or whatever he calls himself) is living the hard party lifestyle- Then surely Ms Campbells rant about how ‘hard up’ they are is utter bollocks?

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  35. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Quote:
    The Waikato Times had a big article on a family struggling to make ends meet in Hamilton.

    And this asshole thinks that it is other people’s fault that she is struggling to make ends meet? She thinks that the society owes her a living. Unbelievable.

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  36. Elaycee (4,321 comments) says:

    Some answers are required here – for sure.

    Typical Gweenie hypocrites – all hiss and wind but when the crunch comes, they get exposed as being devoid of substance.

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  37. Scott Chris (5,947 comments) says:

    Damage control time for the Greens.

    Bye bye Max Dillon. Turei/Norman have to distance themselves.

    Wonder if his wife will still vote green when he’s sacked.

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  38. Captain Neurotic (206 comments) says:

    In his photos (on FB) he is wearing VIP tags and drinking Leffe. Hard-up indeed…. looks like a Champange Socialist too me.

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  39. 3-coil (1,203 comments) says:

    …which is why only a gullible sucker would ever believe ANYTHING that the Greens say.

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  40. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    Toad made a brief appearence on the sex ed thread to berate some of us for our “homophobia” and then promptly dissapeared. I guess hanging around to engage in real debate on the issue of the GP’s lying and deception was a little too hard for him.

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  41. Pete George (23,159 comments) says:

    Lee, that’s unfair, Toad seems to have a tummy bug today.

    grumpy 6.2.1
    20 September 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Hey Toad, they’re calling out for you over at K’blog

    toad 6.2.1.1
    20 September 2011 at 2:24 pm

    No, thanks, I’ve already thrown up once today.

    It can be interesting to see what people who partake of KB hospitality say about it elsewhere.

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  42. thedavincimode (6,578 comments) says:

    Great comeback!

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  43. scanner (340 comments) says:

    I see Phil Urine is still alive and a regular at Frogblog, looks like they have lower standards there.
    I also see his website is still the same load of drug induced disjointed drivel, I just couldn’t resist a peek.
    How I miss his witty repartee. YEAH RIGHT

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  44. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Fucking softcock lefties, they can dish out alright but run like flacis little pussies when they’re caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

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  45. hj (6,606 comments) says:

    Quote:
    The Waikato Times had a big article on a family struggling to make ends meet in Hamilton.

    And this asshole thinks that it is other people’s fault that she is struggling to make ends meet? She thinks that the society owes her a living. Unbelievable.
    ………………….

    I think it is fair to ask why house prices are so high given such a large transfer of wealth (thanks to unearned capital gains). Housing/ accomodation is a major draw on many peoples incomes.

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  46. grumpy (249 comments) says:

    Hey, I think toad IS Max Coyle. I just put the comment up on the Standard in reply to our mate Joe Bloggs and one of the moderators has DELETED it!!!

    Sort of makes sense eh?

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  47. davidp (3,550 comments) says:

    According to his candidate’s profile, Max Dillon Coyle is a 27 year old student and Green Party volunteer. That explains the fact that his missus feels poor. But her best remedy is likely to be pushing him to grow up and get a job, rather than bleating to the newspaper about the government.

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  48. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    “Lee, that’s unfair, Toad seems to have a tummy bug today.”

    I bet he does! :)

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  49. scanner (340 comments) says:

    Dear Kiwiblogers,

    Please excuse Toad from coming to school today, he has had a terrible shock, a nasty whale ate one of his tadpoles and he is suffering so awfully, so bad in fact that he has told people that he threw up.

    He also said he wasn’t comfortable coming back here as he knew someone to quote him “hand him his arse” whatever that means, I know you boys will all be nice to him when he comes back.

    Yours from the Lily-pad
    Moma Toad

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  50. Elaycee (4,321 comments) says:

    So the same luddites who try to claim the moral high ground on anything and everything, have been outed as nothing more than duplicitous, cheap media whores who resort to lies, deceit and hypocrisy in an effort to gain attention.

    Boo ferkin’ hoo….

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  51. s.russell (1,578 comments) says:

    Sorry to poop at the party, but I think Pete is probably right: this is the action of Dillon’s partner. To point the finger at Dillon himself, or at the Greens generally we would need some evidence that they knew and were complicit in her deception.
    If the wife/husband of a National candidate in an unwinnable seat did the same thing, should National and John Key be blamed? Not without some better evidence.

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  52. kiwi in america (2,462 comments) says:

    s russell
    What a crock. What you’re suggesting is that Ms Campbell participated in an interview that gets published prominently in the Waikato Times- an article that skewers the Nats AND the Greens main electoral competition, and that the first her partner Max Coyle knows about it is when he reads about it in the paper? Pulease – there’s a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you!!

    The pillow talk would most likely have gone something like this:
    Campbell- “Honey you’ll never guess but the Times tweeted looking for a family struggling to make ends meet so I responded and they chose me and interviewed me. You’ll be so proud of me – I mentioned how hard life is right now and how Id never vote for National or Labour again and that the Greens will get my vote”
    Coyle – “You cheeky thing – I hope you never mentioned our relationship” followed by an affectionate kiss!
    Campbell – “No darling I covered your arse – when they asked about political affliliations I said I was a former Labour voter – made it all sound very innocent”
    Coyle – “What if the Times find out I’m a Green candidate”
    Campbell – “Its OK dear – I know the reporters there – they are Green supporters so they’re hardly likely to worry”

    Good job whaleoil! Blows the Greens holier than thou sanctimonious piety out of the water. Love to hear Wussell Norman explain this one away.

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  53. bruno 32 (22 comments) says:

    Get over it. As a dairy farmer I get defamed and shat on every day by the so called green party. I call them the green with envy party. Key should put a bounty on their heads.Triple points for ginga aussies.

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  54. big bruv (13,453 comments) says:

    Grumpy

    I am no friend of Toad’s, however I can assure you that Toad is not Max Coyle.

    Toad is considerably older than Coyle.

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  55. scrubone (3,074 comments) says:

    Ditto on big bruv’s comment – he’s not.

    Interesting the complete lack of any sort of attempt at a justification here. Very telling.

    Update: someone is reading this though – his facebook page is locked down.

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  56. b3xi3gurl (1 comment) says:

    it may be easy for you to all say but so you even know Miss Campbell? Coz if u do then u can make a judgement about her but seeing as you dont know both sides to the story then your accusations could be wrong. Realisitcally who are people going to believe… a ‘reliable’ newspaper and ‘good’ journalism (pfffft that makes me laugh even harder) or someone who isn’t well know in the media industry? just because they publish ‘news’ doesnt mean they are not twisting what they write!

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  57. kac (2 comments) says:

    1st off if she was asked directly and lied. Surely it wouldnt take a very long time to verify both Melissa & Max to see if they were political sided. I dont think either of them would think they would get away with it if it was planned. I think it was just a massive screw up. These things just happen, not often but they do. Lets stop blaming the greens, or Melissa & just move on.

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  58. Rich Prick (1,602 comments) says:

    “& just move on.”

    That’s sooooo 2007.

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  59. Elaycee (4,321 comments) says:

    b3xi3gurl(1) and kac(1) – in the glaring absence of toad, the latest Gween apologists have been nominated as the off course substitutes.

    toad – hello? Anyone home? :P

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  60. sandnwong (1 comment) says:

    Far out!Does anybody actually read the newspaper correctly??????And in context??Without spazzing out???
    Is it not ok in this day and age for a woman to have an opinion on polictics that isnt the same as her partners?Just because Melissa’s partner is doing something for the Green party,that in no way means 100% that she feels the same as him!
    In no place in the article,does it mention that the reporter asked Melissa about her partners political views!Therefore she didnt lie,and maybe just maybe,in doing the interview she honestly didnt think it relevant what her partners views are?!!!
    Also Im really not understanding why everyone is going on about her being a drain on the taxpayer?She clearly says in the article that she is working part-time AND is a qualified teacher!
    I think everyone needs to get off Melissa’s back,and instead get on the reporters back for not doing his background work more thoroughly!!!!!!!!

    [DPF: No one is saying anyone should not have an opinion. But it was dishonest not to disclose your partner is actually standing for Parliament for the Greens, especially when you are talking about how you will probably vote for them. It is what people call relevant info that should be disclosed, so the views can be judged in context]

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  61. kac (2 comments) says:

    Ms Campbell is a citizen. Not a part of greens, nor is she of legal mind. Therefore how could she be aware she was doing anything wrong unless directly asked? The waikato times reporter is just covering his/her own ass. it would be the same if someone interviewed me and I failed to tell them my favourite colour is blue. Its up to the reporter to ask direct questions like do you or your partner have a direct link to any party. I am certain that she would not have lied to the newspaper rather the newspaper failed to ask the right questions, before deciding on Ms Campbell as a subject.

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