Farewell Keith Locke

September 29th, 2011 at 1:11 pm by David Farrar

Looking back I probably hated before I met him. He stood for everything I detested.  Famously he had welcomed the USSR “liberation” of Afghanistan. He was basically an avowed communist who openly talked about much better the world would be without the United States.

I still disagree with Keith on almost every issue. His opposition to Police tasers is woefully misguided, and I doubt we would agree on a single economic or foreign policy issue.

However Keith is a great example of someone where you can hate their views, but like the person. Some people can’t do that (and I used to find it harder) but I think it is a healthy thing to be able to do.

Keith is one of the nicest MPs that has been in Parliament. I can’t recall a time where he had made a personal attack on someone. His views, while extreme, are sincere. He is a product of his parents and upbringing.

My views on Keith are not unique to me. Many National MPs have said how much they like him on a personal level, and Keith has attended a fair few National parties and functions.

There are a couple of issues where I have agreed with Keith, such as republicanism, and have enjoyed working with him on those issues.

Keith used to get tormented in the House, especially by Winston Peters and Michael Cullen. Cullen once almost reduced him to tears. While I think it is quite legitimate to use MP’s previous utterances against them, the nature of some of the taunting was over the top.

Keith gave a witty valedictory yesterday, commenting how his SIS file will be very useful to him in writing the history book he is working on. I hope he enjoys his post-parliamentary career.

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92 Responses to “Farewell Keith Locke”

  1. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Good riddence. Door ass way out.

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  2. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    A detestable man, an avowed communist, who will not be missed.

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  3. ben (2,379 comments) says:

    David, I know what you mean, but it is only an illusion if the guy smiling warmly at you has his hands in your pocket and believes what is yours is his.

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  4. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    A rotten commie turd from a family of rotten commie turds. Good riddance to the POS.

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  5. smttc (752 comments) says:

    Given the policy areas he has been spokesman for, did Locke actually achieve anything during his time in Parliament.

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  6. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Yeah, he kept Viet Nam vintage rhetoric alive for future generations of paranoid stoners smttc.

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  7. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Never met the man so I do not have the benefit (dubious or otherwise) to verify any of his apparent personal attributes.

    But based on what I saw of him on TV, I won’t be at all sorry that he has left Parliament. His backing for causes including the Waihopai vandals, produces a bitter taste in my mouth every time his name is mentioned.

    Good riddance.

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  8. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    From Wikipedia:

    ‘His political enemies have referred to him during question period as “Pol Pot” or “the Honourable Member for Cambodia” due to supportive articles he wrote while editor of the New Zealand Socialist Action newspaper about the Khmer Rouge regime under the headline; Cambodia liberated: victory for humanity. Locke has claimed his initial support for the Khmer Rouge was because “…many people thought the Khmer Rouge were an adjunct of the Vietnamese communist forces” and that he thought they “…would be better than the regimes they replaced”. He also responded that he renounced his support after hearing of their atrocities, while the New Zealand Government of the time continued to express support for the regime.[14]

    Similarly, while he opposed the 2001 war in Afghanistan to remove the Taliban, he wrote an article (in Socialist Action) entitled “Why workers should support Soviet action in Afghanistan” in 1980. This led to accusations of hypocrisy.[15] Locke explained that his previous support for the Soviet invasion was the position of the Socialist Action League, that he was wrong to have supported it, that he was incorrect in believing it would protect human rights in Afghanistan, and that he now believes it encouraged Islamic extremist groups.[16]

    During the 2005 election he contested the Epsom electorate in Auckland and at a public meeting he promised to run through the streets of Epsom naked if the electorate was won by ACT New Zealand’s leader Rodney Hide. Hide won the seat. “I’ll do it. I have to,” Locke was reported as saying. “I was so confident, but I have turned out to be wrong and I have got to do it.”[17] Locke’s promise made headlines in media around the world.[18][19] On Sunday 25 September 2005 Locke walked near-naked down Broadway (a main shopping street in Newmarket, Auckland) wearing shoes, socks, a G-string, and body paint.[20] The paint camouflaged Locke’s skin by depicting a suit and tie from the neck down.’

    Not only a tosser but a pathetic backslider who’s convictions change as fast as the official party line.

    Good riddance again.

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  9. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    He also responded that he renounced his support after hearing of their atrocities, while the New Zealand Government of the time continued to express support for the regime.

    A fact you’d think would make representatives of the NZ govt (eg, Cullen in the linked article in the post) reluctant to raise the issue – and yet, they do. Hypocrisy to burn, the lot of them.

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  10. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    David,

    I don’t think your going to find much support from most of the posters here for warm fuzzy feelings towards Locke. But I think you deserve credit for being able to get beyond your own negative feelings and find some level of friendship with him, despite his views. That takes a big heart and lot of tolerance. Good on ya. Your a better man than me.

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  11. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    Keith Lockes politics would ultimately lead to a corrupt government who would not hesitate in ordering political murders of people like Cullen and Peters.

    I don’t know how anyone can support communism given its awful history.

    So, while Locke is harmless by himself, get enough of his type, and it is quite dangerous.

    Good that he has retired.

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  12. s.russell (1,640 comments) says:

    I agree with DPF, and am rather saddened by the intolerant hate-filled foam-at-the-mouth ranting of most of the above posts.

    I disagreed with Locke on many many things. But he had more honesty and integrity than most MPs. He did not cut his cloth to suit the voters but said what he believed – sometimes courageously. I applaud him for having the balls to actually fufil his Epsom promise.

    Unlike some others I do NOT believe that views I disagree with should be silenced. I am actually happy for them to be aired – partly so others can see how foolish they are – but also on the Voltaire principle of defending to the death people’s right to speak out. And the airing of his views created the opportunity for other views (which I agreed with more) to also be aired. The debate itself is usually a good thing because it deepens people’s understanding.

    I hope he finds personal satisfaction in his life after Parliament.

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  13. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    hard to be friends with someone whos views are the polar opposite. i dont click with people like locke. thank god.

    hes just a sad old communist. we are better off with him outside of parliament.

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  14. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Locke was supporting communism well in to his 30s. That isn’t youthful naievity, but reasoned and intentional support for a philosophy that killed around 100 million people last century. I dount if the victims of communism think he is a nice guy, regardless of how polite he is in person.

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  15. kiwi in america (2,439 comments) says:

    I agree s.russell
    Locke’s policies are a detestable mish mash of anti war radicalism and warmed over communism (courtesy of his deep red mother) but all reports of him personally are as David describes. The mark of mature debate is to play the ball not the man so by all means attack his foolish and misguided policies but since the man was one of honesty and integrity (within the framework of his near totalitarian beliefs) perhaps we ought to focus on the policies he espoused and refrain from ad hominem attacks on the person.

    I will fight for the freedom for a man to believe and espouse even idiotic policies because that’s what separates democracies from the totalitarian regimes Keith seemed to initially admire.

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  16. RRM (9,915 comments) says:

    I wonder if there’s ever in the history of the universe, been a real conversation between the proponents and opponents of communism? I mean as opposed to screaming rhetoric in each others’ general direction which happens daily…

    Communism has never supplanted capitalist democracy in any modern, civilised western-type nation – and naturally so, why would any people in the first world choose to go that way?

    Communism HAS supplanted a few corrupt, fascist and fascist-lite regimes in nations with hideous serf/ruler type class systems, including some (South America) that did a reasonably half-arsed job of pretending they were democratic.

    But that’s not even slightly the same thing, and it’s usually only comfortable white people with civil rights and a fairly-counted vote that pretend it is…

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  17. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    You want foaming at the mouth rants piss off and talk to locke ya muppet.

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  18. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Only a fool would hate a man for simply being a socialist, just as a fool would hate a man for being a Christian. Both are essentially well intentioned. If he is consistent within his ideology, then he is a moral man.

    Personally, I would have preferred that he had been part of a socialist party, rather than a Green. Same with Kedgley and a number of other Greens past and present.

    Good luck to him.

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  19. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Still creatures like Locke are a pretty good example of why we need to return to FPP.

    Instead of drawing money from the taxpayers he would be shouting through a megaphone, puncturing domes, or training in the Ureweras at his own expense.

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  20. RRM (9,915 comments) says:

    [Edit: and by "communist" I mean, socialist!] ;-)

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  21. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    He does seem a genuinely nice guy although I don’t agree with many of his opinions either (and I always had an immature chuckle at Hurf Durf’s nickname for him :) )

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  22. ross (1,437 comments) says:

    > but reasoned and intentional support for a philosophy that killed around 100 million people last century.

    Wrong, davidp. Philosophies have not killed a single person. Otherwise, capitalism would be at the top of the list of killers.

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  23. georgebolwing (844 comments) says:

    Wearing shoes, socks, a G-string and body paint is not “naked”. I always thought that it spoke much of Keith Locke that he never actually delivered on his bet, which was that he would do something that was illegal and would put him in peril of arrest for at least offensive behavior. So much for being a man of conviction!

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  24. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    Keith Locke was just another one of many who gave succor and support to communism as a system of government that invariably used the word “democracy” in its title.
    Naivity, ignorance, blindness to reality call it what you wish. That Locke could sit in the supreme ruling body of my country with a vote is reason enough to consign MMP to the trash along with him and his total waste of resources consumed.

    The one single, act, upsetting to me above all others, he is reported to have indulged his miserable self in, was the claim of sitting smirking and nodding on a stage while Annette Sykes was celebrating the destruction of the Twin Towers that assassinated many of those who went headlong to their deaths in a vain attempt to “save” other innocents.

    Please do not come back ever.

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  25. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Only a fool would hate a man for simply being a socialist, just as a fool would hate a man for being a Christian. Both are essentially well intentioned.”

    being a socialist is good intentioned? how come they always come off as nasty, jealous and spiteful?

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  26. Bob R (1,370 comments) says:

    I probably disagree with Locke on virtually all political matters, but was pleased to see he supported further investigation into the Scott Watson conviction.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/2978008/Hide-seeks-answers-on-Sounds-murders

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  27. Chuck Bird (4,880 comments) says:

    Well said David. I actually feel the same about Willie Jackson. I met him for the first time at the last ACT AGM where he was invited to speak. I strongly disagree with his views and he knows I would like to see an end to separate Maori seats but i told him to drop by for a beer if he passes though Ngaruawahia. There are certain MPs I would not want to pass the time of day with but not many and not because of their political views but because I do not like the as a person. I met Keith before he went to Parliament because he lived in the same block of flats as a friend of mine. I agree with your assessment.

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  28. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    Keith Locke was my political contra- compass. Whatever he supported was obviously wrong and misguided. Whatever he opposed was obviously sane and sensible. Thank goodness dingbat Catherine Delahunty at number 4 will provide a similar contra-compass

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  29. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    dime – “how come they always come off as nasty, jealous and spiteful?”

    Because it doesn’t work. The only way for socialist society to work is for *all* its citizens to be willing participants, so coercion is not needed, as seen in the philosophy of libertarian socialists such as Noam Chomsky.

    But the recalcitrance of human nature abhors restraint, so voluntary socialism is a pipe dream. May be different in a post-scarcity society, which will possibly arrive in the next 100 years or so.

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  30. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    While someone might be nice to your face, speak in pleasant platitudes, and have a mild personal demeanor … if they hold values diametrically opposed to your own, wish the downfall of Western civilisation, support totalitarian communist regimes, and would wish upon us all the loss of the freedoms we currently enjoy under democracy THEN I’M SORRY, but this person can ONLY be descrIbed as my ENEMY!!!

    What a shame some people aren’t familiar with the term “Judas kiss” …

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  31. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Spot on Kris.

    The price of freedom….etc.

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  32. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Kris K – “ONLY be descrIbed as my ENEMY”

    You’re confusing Keith Locke with Che Guevara. He’s an idealist, not a revolutionary.
    From my point of view, I may want to f*** Sarah Palin, but I’m not going to rape her.

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  33. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    “I may want to f*** Sarah Palin, but I’m not going to rape her.”

    Given the kind of women she is I think you would be staring down the barrel of a gun if you tried.

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  34. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Although not agreeing with much of what Keith Locke went on about, I always did feel a bit sorry for him over the Pol Pot stuff. Apparently he wrote one article about it in 1975, before the Khmer Rouge genocide. Ironically, after their fall from power in 1979, Pol Pot and his mass murderers were well supported by the US and UK.

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  35. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Scott Chris,

    “You’re confusing Keith Locke with Che Guevara.”

    You say po-tae-tow I say pa-tah-tow. Similar shades of the same grey as far as I’m concerned.
    And people who view Locke as ‘harmless’ are part of the problem, and not part of the solution. I think Stalin called them his “useful idiots”.

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  36. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Child molesters are invariably nice people to your face while they go about their insidious business, embezzlers are generally hard working pleasant types as well till you find your cash gone.

    Commies are in the same category as far as I am concerned, a pleasant commie is still a dangerous piece of crap.

    That our flawed MMP system allows them to gain positions of influence in our parliament is a bloody disgrace.

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  37. GPT1 (2,121 comments) says:

    I just grudgingly made a similar observation about Locke. Doubt I agree with him on anything but he has, in his time in Parliament at least, acted with a degree of respect and generally polite determination to promote his politics that is laudable.

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  38. sthn.jeff (101 comments) says:

    The popularity of the green party will continue to grow now Keith has effectively left their ranks

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  39. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Johnboy – “Child molesters are invariably nice people”

    Yes, because they want to rape your kids. What has that got to do with political ideology? I was under the impression that you believed in personal freedom, and yet your attitude to commies seems to belie that.

    Hey Johnboy, I found this U Tube video of you and your hunting mates when you were irresponsible teens:

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  40. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    “That our flawed MMP system allows them to gain positions of influence in our parliament is a bloody disgrace.”

    Dead right, Johnboy.
    MMP has got to go. If underhanded traitors like Locke ever had to stand in their own electorate and, heaven forbid, actually be voted in as per FPP, then they would never see the halls of power. And the same would go for many of the Marxists who make up the much of the current corrupt government.

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  41. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Goodness me.

    It took Locke’s departure to bring Kris K back out from under m’baiter’s skirts.

    How’s it hangin’ Kris? No, no, not your’s. :lol:

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  42. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    “I was under the impression that you believed in personal freedom”

    Actually, Scott, most right-minded people are against those who, like Locke, would subvert our freedoms. We generally hold in almost equal contempt those too blind, or to thick, to see the threat the Keith Lockes of this world present to Western democracy. People like you.

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  43. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    It took Locke’s departure to bring Kris K back out from under m’baiter’s skirts.

    Ah, thedavincimode, the ultimate stalker and piss-taker around KB!

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  44. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Hush your mouth Manolo. Word might get out! :)

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  45. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Just an analogy to demonstrate that all devious bastards use the same technique to gain peoples trust Scott.

    Communism’s aim is to destroy peoples personal freedoms hence must be destroyed itself to preserve them.

    Hey that’s good shooting, wish I was that good with a shottie! :)

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  46. ben (2,379 comments) says:

    s.russell: who here is advocating Locke be silenced? Straw man?

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  47. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Stop picking on Kris you two, he used to pray for me in the old days and I need all the help I can get! :)

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  48. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Kris K

    “most right-minded people”

    Sadly, a gene pool limited to m’baiter and the lodger in his underpants.

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  49. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    He obviously didn’t pray hard enough Johnboy! :)

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  50. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    While I far prefer STV to MMP it has to be said that allowing special interest groups a say in parliament does provide a safety valve for society. The saying about having people inside the tent pissing out as opposed to outside pissing in holds good here.

    People like Keith Locke will hopefully always be minority extremists but FPP leaves them with protesting in the street as their only way to be heard.

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  51. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Kris K – “…hold in almost equal contempt those too blind, or too thick…… People like you.”

    Lol. Sounds like you’d rather force people to be free at the point of a gun. Notice the anomaly?

    You are your own worst enemy. Literally. ;)

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  52. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    I like to think that the power of prayer turned Viagra into Avigra Leonardo and for that I am very thankful. :)

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  53. Chuck Bird (4,880 comments) says:

    “Commies are in the same category as far as I am concerned, a pleasant commie is still a dangerous piece of crap.”

    Someone very nice right-wingers were communist in their youth.

    Maybe Keith will see the error of his ways on his death bed. Maybe you could say a prayer for him Kris.

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  54. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Protesting in the street is fine by me nasska as it means we are not paying the turds serious coin while they try to fuck us up.

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  55. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Hey Johnboy, would you let Davo know that he needs to give the pipes a bit of a flush again … there appears to be a high bacterial build-up that’s restricting flow.

    PS say hello to the missus … and your high altitude blond harem.

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  56. hj (6,991 comments) says:

    Kieth Locke refers to the “green movement”. This could be anything as in “blue movement” but he benefits from being in a party which owes its bouancy to the green image and having prominence as he joined with a large group of like minded people. If he started a party based purely on his own values and philosophy his support would be close to Manas.

    While his nostrils flare at anything relating to the hated US of the arrestees in the Urewera case was:

    “I would feel more comfortable in the company of those arrested in the raids than I would among some of my fellow MP’s in Parliament”.* http://www.youtube.com/v/lyCA_h3pkgk

    and yet he was in a better position than most to know that something dodgy was going on. Kerry Tankard who is on a group chaired by Keith Locke posted on the Green Party forum

    In the interests of supporting those who have been arrested, discussions were held last night at 128 Able Smith St.

    I am re-posting a statement verbatim from Indymedia Collective, as a response to those who are concerned or confused about what is being said in media and local gossip.

    Quote:

    This morning I opened the herald to see what the bullshit the media were spinning about the raids and saw a comment allegedly from a flatmate of one of the activists arrested yesterday in Auckland.

    I thought it would be obvious not to comment to the media but apparently not.

    I guess I just want to remind people not to talk amongst themselves and speculate and especially do not talk to the media. They are not your friends and they will use you to get the inside scoop.

    This was obvious in another article I got forwarded this morning from Bomber’s blog. He was sniffing around last night at Unite and had cornered some less experienced activists and was asking them what was going on…

    As someone quite rightly put it last night….’if not one talks, everyone walks’.

    It is not gossip it is fucken serious and some of our comrades are facing a long time behind bars, it would be good if people could remember that.

    Now is an important time to remember AND PRACTISE those good old rules about security culture and solidarity!

    The media are easy to ignore however the filth is a different story and it is likely that they will want to ‘talk’ to some people. If you are concerned about this and don’t know what your rights are etc… please seek the advise of an experienced activist who you TRUST. Maybe we need to have a workshop around this sometime in the next few days so that everyone is confident.

    Love and solidarity!

    Please respect the very serious position that the arrests have put some of our very dear friends in.

    Chris Trotter and Bomber Bradbury cut with a different cloth denounced the Urewera arrestees.

    there’s also this “PC
    Frog, I agree the slur on your drug law reform plocy is as inaccurate as it is stupid, but you said. “Which terrorist groups are the Greens in favour of? Go on. Name just one.” Very well, let me open the batting. How about this, Frog:
    Remember soon after September 11 Keith Locke spoke at a meeting in Rotorua on a platform with Annette Sykes. This was a meeting to protest the liberation of Afghanistan.
    As Keith sat there smiling and nodding his head in agreement, Sykes told the audience: “I will never forget that morning turning on my TV and seeing those planes fly into those two towers, I jumped for joy, I was so excited to see that at long last capitalism was
    under attack. I was laughing, I was so happy, but then I saw those people
    jumping out of the windows and it suddenly hit me, oh those poor waiters, the poor cleaners, those poor lift operators, who the greedy capitalists had employed to do all the dirty jobs were probably the people jumping out of the windows.”
    Keith neither challenged nor questioned Sykes’ rant, he sat there and smiled and nodded and then led the applause when she finished.
    http://blog.greens.org.nz/index.php/2005/05/31/united-in-terrorism/

    Keith Locke denies it, I’m inclined to believe it.

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  57. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Chuck, that wasn’t my comment by the way.
    But yeah, I am instructed to pray for my enemies … but I don’t have to actually like them ;)

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  58. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Dammit Kris K is still alive.

    I thought perhaps he had identified the enemy from within and blown his brains out.

    Which of course, he is free to do. Please.

    [DPF: 30 demerits - rescinded]

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  59. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    I have to accept that you make a compelling argument…. for the cost of one MP we could get fifteen unwashed unemployed holding placards.

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  60. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    “he sat there and smiled and nodded”

    Why am I also reminded of another traitorous politician currently in our halls of power …

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  61. DJP6-25 (1,386 comments) says:

    I’m sure some of the people in Stalin, and Mao’s politburos were nice guys on a personal basis too. It doesn’t alter the fact that they collectively acted in a way that caused the deaths of millions. So far, useful idiots in Western parliaments have not been able to do so.

    Could this be part of the process whereby the ‘Greens’ supplant Labour as the opposition?

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  62. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    “Sounds like you’d rather force people to be free at the point of a gun. Notice the anomaly?”

    The only anomaly is between your ears, Scott.

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  63. backster (2,171 comments) says:

    If he wants to come back to the gravy trough after a spell in the real world (cushioned by gold plated super) I am sure Hone can find a high list position for him.

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  64. Longknives (4,737 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t piss on Keith Locke if he was on fire…

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  65. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    “[DPF: 30 demerits]”

    Am I not free to express my opinion? What was wrong with what I said? I’d be interested to hear your reasoning.

    [DPF: Advocating people kill themselves is unacceptable]

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  66. RRM (9,915 comments) says:

    You could be onto something there David Prosser.

    Only last week, I heard two Green Party supporters talking about where they were going to dig the mass graves…

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  67. Ryan Sproull (7,109 comments) says:

    This thread: http://youtu.be/K7XLnxKlYEo

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  68. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Ryan, but imagine of we could bottle it … whad’ya reckon, pardner?

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  69. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    “[DPF: Advocating people kill themselves is unacceptable]”

    Ha. Funny you should mention that. I’m sympathetic to Jack Kevorkian’s advocacy of assisted suicide. I take it that is not what you are referring to.

    On the other hand, I’m sure this world would be better off sans the odd fanatic (at their own bidding of course).

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  70. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Not much love in the hood for keith lol. Good riddance from me too

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  71. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Keith is one of the nicest MPs that has been in Parliament.

    I understand Fred West had a very good line in after-dinner jokes as well.

    So that’s alright then.

    As Johnboy observed, paedophiles invariably have the same ingratiating personalities, which is why we can’t help liking the loveable rogues and forgiving them their quaint little ways.

    Oh Keith, you and your craaazy advocacy for butchers and tyrants!

    Keith just wouldn’t be Keith without trying to impose his favoured brand of despotism on the rest of us! What a card. And so sincere and untiring in his quest to abolish freedom. You can’t help respecting that, whatever your political views.

    Keith gave a witty valedictory yesterday, commenting how his SIS file will be very useful to him in writing the history book he is working on.

    Believe me Keith, no one is as surprised as I am that the SIS would take an interest in a politician who worked all his life to reproduce in New Zealand the sort of regime that destroyed hundreds of millions of lives around the world and made expendable slaves of every worker.

    Perhaps you’ll get to the bottom of this perplexing mystery in your research, now that you have all that time available after growing fat on your MPs salary, so vastly in excess of anything a worker ever saw.

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  72. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    I would just like to apologise to any paedophiles who may have been offended by the comparison to Locke.

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  73. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    I would just like to apologise to any paedophiles who may have been offended by the comparison to Locke.

    Apology accepted said Graham Capill.

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  74. reid (16,440 comments) says:

    I have met Keith once briefly and he is a nice genuine person. He is of course mind-bogglingly naive as extreme bleeding heart idealists often are.

    This is why I think, he thinks Communism is a great system. When he says that, he is of course not thinking of what it was like in reality but what it was in his fantasy which appears rather like those farm-worker posters of Russians bringing in the harvest they used back in the twenties. Apparently, he really thinks true Communism is like that.

    Naturally any true Communist doesn’t spend much of their time thinking about the glory days but rather about how evil the alternatives are, and this is why, IMO, he goes on and on and on about really mental things that will never work in a thousand years, unless you rid the world of every single vestige of present human nature and replaced it with some fantasy world where no-one was ever angwy and we all weally weally loved and helped each other…

    So in summary, IMO, Keith is mad, but not bad.

    Am I happy having paid and continuing to pay his salary for the rest of his life? Yes, absolutely. He to me, was the conscience of Parliament for a long, long time. He was the only one there who you knew, always, to be genuine in heart. The only one.

    He was hardly ever right. Most of the time your heart isn’t. But if Parliament is there to reflect a larger body of collective wisdom and humanity, you always need a heart in it, somewhere.

    Thanks Keith, I wish you well. Very nice to meet you many years ago in Mt Eden, one day.

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  75. adam2314 (377 comments) says:

    Even Hulun had her supporters..

    I think this shirtlifter takes first prize for the amount of vitriol expended on his retirement.

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  76. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    reid,

    Ever since the 30’s only the wilfully blind could have claimed that Communism had any merit; the wilfully blind and those who sought power over others and abolished freedom in the name of the very workers they crushed. The savage cruelty of the system was known since before Locke was born. There is nothing “naive” about his repulsive Communist/Nazi philosophy where him and his equally egotistical mates get to dictate to the rest of us (because in their power fantasies these lefties are always the ones giving the orders, they’re never the ones stripped of their rights and treated like slaves.)

    I’m glad you liked him personally. Apparently Heydrich was also a very good father and provider; something which is often overlooked (unfairly, I feel.)

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  77. tom hunter (4,805 comments) says:

    I suppose I have one thing to thank Locke for – he quickly put paid to even my most minor association with communism. In my first year at varsity I’d decided that since part of the whole varsity experience was to be open to new experiences, I would get the Socialist Worker after having one of their activists offer a subscription at my dorm room. I think it was the first or second edition where I read Locke’s now infamous defense of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. It was so blatant it was laughable. All subsequent copies went straight into the bin.

    At that stage I’d never heard of Locke so was not aware of the whole Pol Pot thing in the mid-1970’s.

    But that’s really the point in not liking this man, personal characteristics aside. I can’t always condemn people who became communists in the 1930’s: at that stage capitalism looked like it was collapsing just as Marx had predicted. In the 1940’s there was the whole threat of the leftist variant known as Facism that had to be stopped. In both cases it would also have been tough to get the sort of information one needed to make a fair judgement when you had the likes of the NYT’s Walter Duranty publishing nothing more than the approved talking points of Stalin’s politburo.

    But thereafter there is no damned excuse, parents or no. Pity the whole ’60’s ethos of rebelling against your parents didn’t extend to the Lockes. From the linked article on Cullen’s taunting:

    Mr Locke returned to the House and once again explained that he had never backed Pol Pot, but had once written an article in April 1975 when the “quite corrupt regimes in Saigon and Phnom Penh fell”, hoping it would be good for the country when the new governments came into power. This was before Pol Pot and the genocide.

    Bullshit Sheer unadulterated bullshit.

    Whether it was the 1956 Hungarian revolution, Khrushchev’s speech to the Soviet Communist party, the fallout from the Cuban revolution or the crushing of Czechoslovakian in 1968, Kieth Locke had plenty of evidence in his hands by the mid-1970’s that dictatorships of the prolatariat always spin out of control and descend into blood soaked personality cults – always. The only thing different about Pol Pot from Lenin’s desires to wipe the slate clean in Russia – the original Year Zero – was that it went off the rails faster and further in proportion.

    Locke’s excuse is just not a reasonable defence given that he wrote the article defending the Afghanistan invasion five years after the article expressing hopefulness about Pol Pot.

    To continue to kid yourself that this time it’ll be different, or to continue to kid others that you really think this is to condemn yourself as either a total moron incapable of learning from history or a thoroughly mendacious prick.

    Nice guy? That’s damned hard to reconcile with the personal history.

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  78. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Just finished my dinner, jeeze that was all a bit of a laugh! :) :)

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  79. Whafe (650 comments) says:

    Wow, what a thread, David started out so well spoken of Keith…..

    A very funny thread….

    For me am glad he has gone, what can he claim he has done whilst in parliament? Sweet fuck all really

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  80. adam2314 (377 comments) says:

    In a word.. He is .. EVIL !!..

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  81. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    Those who say they like/respect Keith Locke independently from his politics would probably change their tune if Keith did the formed a communist party that went on to win the general election .

    So, it is OK to like the guy so long as he wields no influence or power. Isn’t this rather hypocritical?

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  82. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Exactly wreck!

    It just shows you what a sad little boys (and girls club) politics has become in Godszone.

    An utter piece of shit like Locke who stands utterly opposed to everything that our hard won freedoms have gained is lauded like a good old boy because he is apparently a nice chap and such is the corruption of our political system that we paid the POS a couple of hundred grand a year to cock his snoot at us!

    Excuse me while I puke!

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  83. reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Ever since the 30′s only the wilfully blind could have claimed that Communism had any merit

    wat this puzzled me for many years until I realised that yes, in fact, some people are so completely mental reality escapes them. Locke is like Bradford in this. They have different mindsets completely but they are the same in this dynamic, which is, they see only what they want to see and ignore the rest.

    Keith does this out of love however whereas Bradford does it out of anger and envy. Someone must have really hurt her sometime somewhere.

    So yes, he is wilfully blind but not in a malicious but rather a benevolent sense.

    Otherwise I would not approve of paying his pension.

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  84. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Give me your email reid so I can send you an AP and you can pay my share of the horrid little farts pension as well! :)

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  85. adam2314 (377 comments) says:

    Nice guy ????… I repeat. EVIL..

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  86. tvb (4,415 comments) says:

    I just loved it when his sister Marie Leadbetter was imprisoned by a totalitarian indonesian government for protesting of all things. The Leadbetters and Locke are parasites on the democratic system that tolerates their protest but they support regimes who will be the first to lock them up. I was disappointed when the Indonesians released Leadbetter, they should have locked her up for 10 years.

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  87. geo_kiwi (43 comments) says:

    I agree with David Farrar. I don’t like Keith’s politics on defence, tasers, most things to do with the United Nations and a host of other issues. However I have had the honour of meeting him at Amnesty International meetings in New Zealand and have found him to be a sincerely likeable guy. We have seen eye to eye – largely – on human rights issues.

    So, while I am disappointed that he thinks too much money gets spent on the defence force, that he thinks tasers are bad, like David I agree with Locke on the Republic issue.

    Take care Keith. I am sure your probably quite colourful SIS file will be a damn entertaining read when you write your book.

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  88. geo_kiwi (43 comments) says:

    Of all the left-leaning types, it is John Minto that annoys me the most.

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  89. Rich Prick (1,699 comments) says:

    Useless commie. He will live a feckless life on some public tit (if Kabul deserved Chris Carter perhaps North Korea deserves this waste of space).

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  90. Mark Unsworth (41 comments) says:

    David I totally agree with your comments and i wrote to Keith earlier today to pass on very similar thoughts to those you noted-something that i rarely do.I disagreed with just about everything Keith stood for but he was not only totally sincere in his beliefs but also always friendly,appraochable and always keen for a chat when you met him.A total gentleman who served his causes well.
    I am proud that we have a political system that allows people with alternative viewpoints to have a voice.
    Its interesting that many of the more boorish comments on this topic seem to favour no-one being allowed to have alternate views than their own-a viewpoint probably favoured in past years in some of the countries Keith supported and these people despised.The irony is rich .

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  91. projectman (224 comments) says:

    If the aim of a politican is to leave Parliament having made some positive difference to NZ, Keith Locke fails in every regard. Now he can make way for some other useless Green party list member to make their own waves without any accountability.

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  92. E. Campbell (91 comments) says:

    I agree, DPF. He will be a loss and he was always able to take a joke and front up on issues. You’ve got to respect that. I particularly appreciated his advocacy of a republic, and am still sore that the Nats did not suppport his Head of State bill, at least to select committee.

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