Labour hating the Mad Butcher
September 27th, 2011 at 2:09 pm by David FarrarWhale has screen shots of a Facebook thread from Labour MP Darien Fenton on the Mad Butcher. It reveals a lot.
Darien posts:
So, Mad Butcher, you have a choice, but so do I
So the Mad Butcher dared to say he though John Key was doing a good job (something that only 15% of NZers disagree with), and for that Darien wants him punished with a consumer boycott.
She stresses:
Sucking up to John Key big time. I’m never going near him again.
It must be tough for Darien, only able to shop at places where the owners agree with her political views. Personally, I shop based on location, price, quality and service.
Darien then exclaims:
Yes, he’s been good in the past. I don’t know what happened.
Note how the thinking is that something must have happened to Leitch to turn him evil.
Brad then makes the suggestion:
Perhaps Labour should work to earn back his support then.
Darien then responds with a priceless:
Brad – why?
Need any more be said.
Tags: Darien Fenton, Peter Leitch
September 27th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Oh it gets worse than that DPF, over at the Labour party funded and staffed Standard some piece of shit who goes by the name of Campbell Larsen said that he hoped that Sir Peter “hurried up and died”.
It seems that supporting NZ’s most popular ever PM is a shooting crime among the low life left.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
I’m surprised they didnt turn on him earlier. Bastard overcoming handicaps to become successful is hardly a role model for Labour voters.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
He has sold his stores so a boycott is as much use as Labours policy releases.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
They just do not get it. They really don’t. NZ Labour have become a party of collective stupidity.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
I must say that in some ways it is hilarious, on one hand we have a salt of the earth working class man who has given away vast sums of money and more in the way of his time to help those who are worse off and on the other we have an ex junkie piece of shit who is an unelected parasitic list MP, one who only gets into the house because she is a union hack.
I know which one the people of NZ love (even ardent anti league men such as me) and which one we think closely resembles a cockroach.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Darien does the mad butch.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
“Yes, he’s been good in the past. I don’t know what happened.”
What happened was: Labour dropped in the polls.
Vote:It became increasingly obvious that those in Labour who should for the Party’s sake take over the leader’s position, are really more interested in the position than the Party so will wait until Phil Goff is dead in the water and then make their cowardly move.
Fuck the Party and those who voted for it, just get the position post mortem.
So who, including the Mad Butcher [who may be Mad but not Stupid], would support that Party or think now of voting for it?
Simple
That, Darien Fenton, is what happened. Why do you not know this already?
September 27th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Picking on an icon. What a silly bint.
Still I wouldn’t buy his 60 for $20 sausages either.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Jesus wept – Labour seem hell bent on self destruction – on top of Quacker Mallard’s mad rants, now we have this.
Comedy gold.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
ex-junkie?
its just sad seeing what the labour party have become. im not sure how it gets to the point where there is just a mass clean out.
its scary because eventually they will retake power.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Fill your party with a bunch of hacks incapable of thought and look what you get …
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
I’ve often thought that Kedgeley’s food labelling should extend to advising the political inclinations of the producers …
Leitch has been doing great things for the citizens of the shakey city and as we are all aware has been a serial fund raiser and supporter for numerous charities. The museum that he keeps plugging was conceived and funded by him with some assistance from some volunteers. It will be bequeathed to the nation on his death.
This rant from Fenton says it all really. What an embittered twisted piece of shit she is.
Hopefully, this piece of electioneering by her on behalf of the National party will get the media coverage it deserves. One has to wonder whether Key even needs to bother campaigning. A few more photo shots at the world cup and the NRL final, combined with a few more foot in mouth escapades from the Labour filth and it should be job done.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Warriors are in the grand final, poised for a historic win. Is it possible to find a worse time to insult their iconic longterm supporter?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
What is wrong with Labour? They seem to recruit the most petty, bitter, spiteful people imaginable. Having someone as crass and nasty as Trevor Mallard setting an example can’t help, but these more recent ones like Clare Curran & Fenton seem equally rabid.
Ms Fenton, you have a choice, but so do I. I won’t be supporting pathetic, tribal and childish antics from politicians like yourself.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
No, but the Mad Butcher 80% pure beef sausages are bloody nice.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Awful stuff from Darien. If she’d left it at the first comment it could have been a tolerable frustrated outburst. But she keeps going.
Social Media? They’re doing it wrong.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
As thedavincimode put it: “Fenton is an embittered twisted piece of shit., and incontrovertible proof that Labour’s list is populated by no-hopers and losers in life (e.g., Mallard, Dyson, Moroney, Horomia, et al), whose only aspiration was to become a lowly teacher or unionist.
These mediocrities will never create or generate any wealth, so they hate success with a passion. Fenton and their socialist ilk deserve hell this coming election.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Darien Fenton is organizing a food boycott against the mad butcher. I would just love to put that person against the mad butcher and see who wins. I bet butch has done more for the community than Fenton.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
What does he charge for them Brian?
It’s hard to find a good sausage these days (or so my wife says).
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Brian Smaller
Its that 20% you have to worry about.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
I’d say a big part of the Labour problem is essentially inbreeding – so many of their MPs and supporters have followed the same paths of student politics, unions, working in MPs offices etc that they have lost all perspective of the real world.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Maybe I’m being too “glass half empty” about this, but I can’t say that Peter Leitch impresses me. Basically he has swapped allegiances because his customers have. It’s all about business, although that makes Fenton’s bitchiness even more ridiculous.
I have to admit that I did tend to steer clear of the Bad Moocher stores when he was so vocal for Labour though, but if I was an MP I wouldn’t have been stupid enough to say so.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
You beat me to it big bruv; I have just blogged about that particular exchange from The Standard last Monday, with a link so that readers can see the context and determine for themselves just how vile this particular comment was.
As for Sir Peter; I’ve done some research today, and have found that he, via the Mad Butcher Suburban Newspapers Community Trust raised almost $1.5 million for charity in the last nine years or so. Now he has the temerity to publcily endorse John Key, and the whole weight of the Left is unleashed upon him. I’m absolutely livid about that; it is an incredibly sad way to treat a man who has spent a large part of his life trying to enrich the lives of others.
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/09/almost-15-million.html
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Just had a thought – maybe it’s the aggressive maasculine sexuality of his current advertising which is the final straw for Labour.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Seems that John Key has recently discovered a love of rugby league and will be attending the NRL final with Sir Butch.
Apparently we are going to win a coal mine if the Warriors win, which is lucky because one of ours is broken.
Meanwhile in real news; the last quarter saw growth of only 0.1%….
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
You just can’t beat the mad butchers meat !
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Doubt it. He isnt in business. He isnt such a political animal.
Much more likely he has switched allegiance for the same reasons his customers have.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
“Meanwhile in real news the last quarter saw growth of only 0.1%”
Not bad in a global recession. It could have been far worst. Thanks Jon Key and Bill English!
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
BlairM, you are embarrassing yourself. Again.
I’ll leave it to others to point out all the mistakes in your argument.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Growth of 0.1%? Why not estimate it to five decimal places?
Best they can really say is that growth was likely to be somewhere between -0.5 and +0.5%
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
“Meanwhile in real news the last quarter saw growth of only 0.1%” Not bad in a global recession. It could have been far worst. Thanks Jon Key and Bill English!
Yes fingers crossed we hit the 4% Treasury is forecasting for 2013 or we end up like Greece.
Anyway back to bashing Labour MP’s for the dumb shit they say on the internet…..
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Big Bruv and Inventory2 – I saw that post from the low life on The Standard Blog site that goes by the name of Campbell Larsen wishing that the Mad Butcher would “Hurry up and die”
That makes my blood boil and is part of the reason that this coal miners son from the West Coast has servered his roots from the party that I was born and raised to vote for and respect. That respect was earned in those days. Its totally gone now.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
One thing is for sure Wayne91 you are not alone thats for sure.
BlairM you show once again why people think you are a tosser, your argument re the Mad Butcher has more holes in it than a girls high school!
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
The planet also supports Tories. I look forward to this 57 year old adolescent sticking to her principles.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
heh folks we need to get this out there. Following on from Mallard and Curran Fenton is pure gold for the RIGHT. When a pollie any pollie starts dissing someone like Butch then they deserve to be dog tucker.
Played up and played out to the wavering Labour voters this has a change to turn them. The time from now til 26 Nov is going to be a long slow death by a thousand cuts for the Socialists.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
@ Wayne91; that was indeed a despicable comment, but what was even worse was the refusal of the moderator at The Standard to condemn it, or take any action. It simply underlies the perception that the Left has one rule for its own, and one for everyone else.
As far as Sir Butch goes; all power to him. He is indeed a great New Zealander, and the $1.5m he has raised for charity is not donations from his business; it has been raised by his willingness to put himself about and host events, to the detriment of his own health. His legacy to New Zealand will be far greater than any of those who vilify him.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Honestly, is Labour trying to throw this election? This is just handing three terms to National. Just how badly hammered in polls does Labour have to get before it gets real and changes the formula. How low until a bit of humility emerges? Boy there needs to be a cleanout post-election.
Met Steve Chadwick the other week. She was super nice and can stay.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
So basically Darien has given a slap in the face to the very target audience which Labour should be holding a hand out to.
I doubt the Mad Butcher would want Darien’s custom anyway, just as the ASB did not want Rob Muldoon’s custom when it closed an old savings account Robs mother had opened for him as a kid.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Sorry, but who is Darien Fenton? And why is she important?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Man, these guys just seem to be a bunch of haters.
It sounds like labour want to be like the catholic church , excommunicating anyone who may stray from their views.
Perhaps, labour will reintroduce the crime of heresy ?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
I hope Richie McCaw doesn’t came out in support of John Key!
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Johnnyboy – about a buck each I guess. Their boerwurst is pretty good too (90% beef).
Darien Fenton is a nobody politician who without having been a union stooge and Labour MP would never have made more than minimum wage in some dead end job. Another useless eater.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
I simply cannot understand why Fenton thinks that Labour should have Sir Peter’s support as of right. The petulant arrogance of that one word – why -, says more to me about where she sees herself and Labour in the grand scheme of things. The sense of entitlement is almost tangible.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
ben Steve Chadwick is an airhead and completely useless list MP. Hopefully she will be gone come November.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Posted at The Standard:
This post’s content was defended by the Standard.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
I do not understand the surprise at this outburst. History post 1999 tells us that this is the Labour way when you cross them.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
“Steve Chadwick is an airhead and completely useless list MP.”
Worse, shes a feminist and wants to make abortion on demand fully legal and radically expand it. Apparently there are just not enough dead babies for her.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Mr Campbell Larsen (the extra): http://www.kamtalent.com/profile.aspx?id=20944
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
I’m not sure what’s scarier:
1. Labour MPs are going paranoid crazy;
2. They’re being permitted to so do in public, on the Internet, recorded for all time.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Whale Oil is overstating the “hate” content of that discussion thread, and so is DPF. And this has been a party political broadcast on behalf of the National Party.
But yes, much of Labour are still idiots, and they are still heading for a shafting at the polls…
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
@ RRM; Darien Fenton needs to pick her targets better. Sir Peter Leitch is a demi-god in Labour heartland. Quite what she thinks she’s going to achieve by demonising him escapes me.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
# dime (3,451) Says:
September 27th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
its scary because eventually they will retake power.
I’m with Dime on this one.
Vote:Silly bitch doesn’t she know online is forever?
September 27th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
“Whale Oil is overstating the “hate” content of that discussion thread, and so is DPF. ”
They wished someone dead. There is no way WO or DPF could possibly overstate that.
How about you being a reliable apologist for Labour’s evil.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
@ Lee; in RRM’s defence, I think he might have been referring to the FB exchange, not the reported comments from The Standard. RRM is a principled leftie; one who’s not afraid to be critical of Labour.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
On a related note, I wish all “celebrities”, and I use the word loosely, would keep who they’ve voted for (or intend to vote for) to themselves. I’m sure Peter Leitch wouldn’t like me and others telling him that I think the PM is a wanker.
My opinion is not his concern, just like his is of no concern to me. Imagine if Richie McCaw, his hands firmly around the William Webb Ellis trophy, while giving his post-match speech to the stadium of 4 million, suddenly turns to the camera, and says:
“By the way, I’m voting Labour”.
Every right-wing nutbar in the country would put their boots through their tv screens, and rightly so.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Lee, no-one in the Facebook thread Whale Oil quoted is wishing anyone dead.
You, Sir, are an idiot.
In other words, what I said…?
I just think Kiwiblog is the poorer for these blatant National Party cheerleading posts.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
“@ Lee; in RRM’s defence, I think he might have been referring to the FB exchange, not the reported comments from The Standard. ”
Ah, my apologies RRM. Should have taken more notice of what I was reading. Sorry.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
“Whale Oil is overstating the “hate” content of that discussion thread, and so is DPF. And this has been a party political broadcast on behalf of the National Party.”
“I wish the mad butcher would hurry up and die.
Fuck Close Up for giving this National party cheerleader a free slot in primetime. ”
Kinda hard to reconcile nthese two statements. It doesn’t matter that they were made on facebook or a blog. It doesn’t matter if the “hurry up and die” comment was made by a poster and not the host. Fenton’s comment shows that underneath she is a nasty, spiteful person with a sense of entitlement and an expectation that she can “punish” people who do not share her political views. This is scary stuff. She is a person who wants power. She has been corrupted and hasn’t got any power yet. What would she be like in government? The fact that the Standard preserved the “hurry up and die” comment is no less than an endorsement of the sentiment.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
anyway .. I thought Sir Mad had, for all intents and purposes, sold off the MadB chain so boycotting it would hurt the franchise holders??
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
LOL what Nookin?
Fenton is to be condemned because some nutter made a sh!t comment on The Standard?
(You realise that Facebook and The Standard are separate websites, right? It’s not all just “the internet”…)
I agree no-one is going to vote for her..
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
“I just think Kiwiblog is the poorer for these blatant National Party cheerleading posts.”
Why? DPF is a National supporter. Its his blog. Why should he be non-partisan?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Imagine if a National polly called for a boycott of a company that supported labour. Oh wait….
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
(repeated from another thread, but relevant here too)
More on Labour’s strange political thinking:
Yesterday, a story in The Southland Times had a large picture of Labour candidate Lesley Soper joining a protest march of about 40 people against lignite mining in Southland.
Now, surveys show Southlanders overwhelmingly back such mining. I imagine that traditional Labour supporters such as miners certainly would.
I really have to wonder what the political thinking was here. A desperate attempt to save a few voters peeling off to the Greens? Knee-jerk anti-[fill in the blank] protesting?
Whatever the purpose, I think this is not going to help Labour….
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
What are we waiting for redeye?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
The name of a company that supports Labour?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Don’t hold your breath, even Trotter has turned.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
BlairM you show once again why people think you are a tosser, your argument re the Mad Butcher has more holes in it than a girls high school!
What lovely casual sexism you have! I was being polite about the man. If you want my honest opinion, I think he’s pretty shallow for changing his views and hasn’t given any compelling reasons for it. So I am forced to make guesses that assume he has a brain between his ears. I would respect him more if he stayed a Labour supporter.
I note that the people calling me names and saying nobody likes me (what are you, ten year old girls?) have mentioned holes in my argument and gaps in my logic, but conveniently do not say what those are. My response to that is: Not really, my comments are simply opinions just like everyone else’s on here. Sorry you don’t like them, but tough shit. If you think they are crap, it is customary to address the substance of them rather than the man who made them. And I don’t say anything on here to be loved.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Yeah. All is lost now that it had to be explained. I’ll work on my timing.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
To be fair, I’m with Blair. To be fair, Peter Leitch, to be fair, can be admired for his business acumen, but not for his integrity, to be fair.
To be fair, he’s that peculiarly Australasian animal, the working class conservative, where its all about tradition and loyalty to yer mates, and be modest, and don’t swear in front of the women, to be fair.
And since he’s been knighted, he’s become vain as well. To be fair. I don’t buy it.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
“I’m never going near him again…it’s about consumer choice.”
The whole piece is really a peaen to Capitalism. From the same people who insist on a state monopoly in education and health, depriving us of any choice whatsover.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
To be fair, I think that Scott Chris is talking shit. Sir Peter Leitch has, by his profile, his personality, his eccentricity and his sheer bloody-mindedness raised something like $1.5m for a whole range of charities. He has continued to accept invitations when he is a sick man, because he hates saying no to people. He has donated hundred of hours of his time, memorabilia that he has collected and his own money to make other people’s lives better
Integrity? To be fair, I’d take his over Scott Chris’ any day.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
RRM
Vote:You were talking about this thread. It refers to the Standard and the hurry up and die comment and Fenton. Two topics. Two different media. Same underlying vindictiveness. Fenton isn’t responsible for the Standards acceptance of the comment. She just shares the same mentality.
September 27th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Oh, that is just a horrible thing for Fenton to say.
My grandparents have lived in Papakura since my Mother was in High School and I remember as a kid hearing “the Mad Butcher” on the talkback radio and Nana heading out to his stores to buy meat hen we visited. The man is a cultural icon and this just shows how far Labour have fallen.
Anotehr example: our house (including the Step parent) always voted labour when I was a kid, FFS the biological father was a ***Boilermaker*** and I know that now pretty much all of us vote National – we used to call them the “Farmers and Auckland Party”.
Its just so toxic… only rabid dogs bite the hand that feeds, and the rest end up with “hot lead” therapy- the political equivalent for Labour will be 3rd party status.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
The curious thing is, if you go across to Red Alert and actually read the words there, you can see Darien Fenton arguing AGAINST compulsory unionism and copping quite a lot of flack from some of the true believers.
Lefties on your left sometimes aren’t quite as far left as the caricatures you are fed lead you to believe…
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Inventory2
Heh, to be fair, I think IV2 has an affinity with the Ol’ Butch, cause just like him, he’s a cheerleader social conservative, to be fair.
Never trust a cheerleader. They’ve forgotten how to think for themselves.
You aren’t John Banks are you?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
@ Scott Chris – to be fair, I reckon that Sir Peter Leitch is a great New Zealander. He’s gone from being a dyslexic butcher boy to a wealthy man, and a great philanthropist. His knighthood was richly deserved IMHO.
No; I’m not John Banks. But the fact that Labour now demonises the kind of person that the party used to represent symbolises just how much Labour has lost the plot since the likes of Helen Clark, Margaret Wilson and Judith Tizard stole the party from its working-class roots.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
“To be fair, I’m with Blair. To be fair, Peter Leitch, to be fair, can be admired for his business acumen, but not for his integrity, to be fair.
To be fair, he’s that peculiarly Australasian animal, the working class conservative, where its all about tradition and loyalty to yer mates, and be modest, and don’t swear in front of the women, to be fair.
And since he’s been knighted, he’s become vain as well. To be fair. I don’t buy it.”
Never mind the quality, feel the width …
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
@thedavincimode 6:51
Vote:selectiev quoting eh what? There’s several peope ont his thread that have not qualified their praise for Peter Leitch, their admiration of him nor their reasons for doing so.
September 27th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Pharmachick
What on earth are you talking about?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
I2 I agree re Leitch. I like anyone who makes a lot out of what they are born with, for good. I liked his ‘getting started in a small business’ show he did a few years ago. Shame but not surprising they didn’t run it for more than one season. But that’s very good positive stuff.
Illuminating to read the whole thread which is in DPF’s link. Those lefties are certainly blinded with something, personally my diagnosis is hubris. The lefties on that thread and many others who weren’t, all to a man and woman, appear completely utterly blinded with the hubristic sense that since all they want to do is help the poor and downtwodden, evewyone MUST like us cause we’re weally, weally special and thuper.
Read it. You’ll see. They just can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t like Liarbore, they just don’t get it.
Hubris.
Fools.
Whale’s right, they do have to go through the five stages of political death while they come to terms with what Hulun did and understand why most people don’t actually think, “she was the gweatest PM NZ’s ever had.”
I hope it takes them a really long time cause I’m really enjoying seeing the hubristic idiots fall apart at the seams. It’s fun.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Oh wow, that was a terrible post @ 6:53 pm (spelling, what spelling … proof reading, what proof reading). Apologies, I am also cooking dinner and I didn’t edit in time. Bugger.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Pharmachick
Wot’s for dinner?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Labour are a complete and utter rabble, with some of the least intelligent representatives one could imagine, going off half-cocked with shallow emotional diatribes against things that are different without ever bothering to analyse the actual issue at hand.
Trouble is, the other parties aren’t much better, though they do have the benefit (mostly) of leadership that manages to keep the pure idiocy of many of the politicians dampened down under layers of political spin.
This year, I vote for no-one. I can’t see it changing any time soon. NZ politics is an inbred cesspool of tinpot fake celebrities looking to get their face in the news.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Chicken and Mushroom pasta, home made garlic bread.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
How old is Fenton? Twelve?
Beyond belief.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Yumm.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
ROFL at “I choose not to buy from those who support Tories”.
What next, smackhead leading a kristallnacht against butcher shops?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Peter
Yes, twelve, as in twelve times around the block.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Only the kosher ones nickb.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Scott Chris.
So, you are not ‘buying’ the decades Sir Peter (if ever there was a deserved Knighthood his was it) spent raising funds for those less fortunate, you re not ‘buying’ the huge sums of his own money he donated to worthy causes and you are not ‘buying’ the fact that he is a thoroughly decent person.
If that is indeed the case there can only be three possible explanations.
1. You are a Labour cheerleader and will not allow anybody to speak in support of John Key without attacking their character.
2. You are a rabid socialist who has no concept of what it means to donate something of your own to others (be it time or money) so you automatically assume that anybody who does is doing it for ulterior motives.
3. You are a fucking moron.
So which one is it Scott?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Why don’t we arrange a VRWC boycott of business and companies who support Labour.
Vote:.
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…..oh, hang on a minute.
September 27th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Pharmachick (94) Says:
September 27th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Chicken and Mushroom pasta, home made garlic bread.
I cannot make bread.
Breadmaker or secret recipe?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
BB, I’d go for “3″.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
MT_Tinman:
Sittin down to Tea now – bye guys n gals
Vote:Hand-made recipe – Bread makers don’t turn out a very good product here … something to do with both the yeast and the size of the sugar granules – took me almost 2 years to give up on the bread maker, get “un-lazy” and THEN find a makeable (is that a wrd) recipe. Actually, there’s very little better than getting home from a frustrating day and pounding the you-know-what out of some dough that’ been proofing for ~14 hrs.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
why should it be only one BB?
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Vote:oops just seen tinman
September 27th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
reid (8,444) Says:
September 27th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
pragmatic key should have thrown her in clink not helped get her the no 3 at the UN.
Vote:I hope to God he isn’t intending to help her into banki moon’s job to keep her away.
can you imagine the smug spittle from the gender benders in liarLabour then.
doesn’t bear thinking about.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
The Labour party is dead.Peter Leitch is the epitomy of what mallard,king,Parker and co are not. His generosity and good humour are a legend. GO ,the mighty warriors and the blessings of a thousand angels to you,butch.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
AFAIK Butch was talking about Key being the best man for NZ, he said nothing about supporting National. For all we know he may be unable to tear himself away from voting Labour but can see clearly what a useless, contradictory, vicious, duplicitous and self serving tosser that we would have if Labour were to become Government.
And now I’ll start on Phil Goff shall I ….?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Labour have since 2005 failed to undertake any self examination of why they have been losing support. Fenton of course makes the situation worse. Labour will remain in opposition as long as hateful and purile lightweights fill their ranks. nine more years trevor!
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
> AFAIK Butch was talking about Key being the best man for NZ
Except I don’t give a toss who he thinks is the best man for NZ, any more than I care who Richie McCaw thinks is the best man or woman for NZ.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
This is childish and unbelievable. You labour muppets. No one owes you anything. Isn’t it insightful seeing how Labour viciously attack anyone who makes any kind of reasonable statement about National. They offer no kind of loyalty or gratefulness or grace towards anybody. Even their greatest benefactors, like Owen Glenn and Peter Leitch. The more you read what they actually think and how they actually act and purport themselves the more you realise it’s not just their ideas that are bad.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
big bruv
I’m a league fan, and I used to like Peter Leitch. I listened to radio sport a lot and heard him a lot. He just wore a little thin, that’s all.
It’s up to him if he wants to give to charity. If you *really* give freely, then why would you expect anything in return?
You like him. I don’t particularly. Can’t say I really dislike him either.
Can’t see how that makes me a socialist or a labour supporter or a moron. Don’t know about you though.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
@ Scott Chris – Sir Peter Leitch isn’t asking for anything. He’s probably deeply embarrassed by this whole furore. But he doesn’t deserve the childish behaviour that has been displayed towards him.
Meanwhile, over at The Inquiring Mind, Adam Smith raises an interesting point:
http://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/interesting-takes-on-democracy/
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
They offer no kind of loyalty or gratefulness or grace towards anybody. Even their greatest benefactors, like Owen Glenn and Peter Leitch. The more you read what they actually think and how they actually act and purport themselves the more you realise it’s not just their ideas that are bad.
Well said UaC.
Those bastards.
Seriously, they really are scum, aren’t they. Maybe they’re not even scum. Maybe they’re swamp mud. The really smelly, sticky kind. Awful people. Who’d wanna be one of them?
Let’s hope they’re all very ashamed of themselves indeed. But I fear not, UaC, I fear not.
Instead, I fear they think other people think by doing this they are standing up for the poor people. Unfortunately as we all know other people don’t think anything of the sort.
It’s sort of tragi-comic isn’t it. What fun.
Roll on next move on the political chessboard.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
MT_Tinman – “BB, I’d go for “3″.”
Mick Mac – “why should it be only one BB?”
Perhaps that is as high as he can count. Or perhaps he thinks that’s as high as you fellas can count. Who knows?
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
All of this because he dared to have an opinion. Shows what Labour really think of the voting public – and the democratic process.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Inventory 2 – “Sir Peter Leitch isn’t asking for anything. He’s probably deeply embarrassed by this whole furore.”
You see him in a completely different light from how I see him. The Peter Leitch that I know is completely different from the one you know.
On the other hand, I like and admire Eric Watson and Mark Hotchin, whereas most Kiwis see them as assholes. Just the way we see things. I also like and admire John Key (in spite of his conservative streak) and John Hart and Roger Douglas and Trevor Mallard and Pita Sharples and Bob Jones and Don Brash and Bill Clinton and Ron Paul etc.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
reid
Oh come on! You’re kidding right? They’re just people who think they’ve been shunned, and are acting accordingly. They have their barrow to push just as you do. Same species remember?
For fucks sake show a little wisdom and understanding. Pond scum?
Bah!
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
When I say anybody, I should say people who disagree with themselves (labour). That comment above went too far. Of course they aren’t vicious to everyone, and I imagine there is some grace in that party somewhere. But they are vicious and dismissive/contemptuous to everyday people who disagree with them in any way for whatever reason, even if they were avid supporters. It must be disenchanting for a lot of people. It’s hard to believe people would only make friends with people who think and act completely as themselves. Some of my friends are very left wing and solidly working class and they often make me think and pause and change/amend my views, but they aren’t the sum of their politics.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
No Scott, they’re smelly, sticky swamp mud. That’s much, much worse. Sorry, but it just is.
It’s just science and logic Scott. No other possible conclusion, you see.
Sorry.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Scott Chris
Where did I suggest that it should be compulsory to like Sir Peter?
I cannot stand the game of league, it is a game played, supported and run by morons for morons.
However, that does not detract from the great work Sir Peter has done, I repeat (seeing as you are a bit slow) that I do not demand that you like Sir Peter, all I ask is that you respect the great work he has done, work that has seen him honoured by the Queen.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Big Bruv – “(league) supported and run by morons for morons.”
Warrior’s official number 1 supporter? Peter Leitch.
I suppose to a genius like you, everyone’s a moron.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
I think you did just paint yourself into a corner there, Bruv.
I do wish people with a high public profile for non-political stuff, would keep their gobs shut unless they’re actually entering politics. That goes for successful businessmen and philanthropists as much as for second-rate actresses.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Scott
Goodness me, you really are getting desperate now.
Tell me Scott, have you always had an attention seeking personality?
I never claimed that Sir Peter is a brain surgeon, I never claimed he was anything other than a decent chap who has one major fault in as much as he is a fan of League.
Now, stop being a silly little boy and admit that Sir Peter is worthy of all our respect for the great work he has done.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
He is a bloody pestiferous twat. Yes he has done heaps for some good causes but shit is he annoying. He has always reminded me of some pissed idiot at the pub dribbling on your shoulder as he shouts inane bullshit in you ear.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
“They’re just people who think they’ve been shunned, and are acting accordingly. They have their barrow to push just as you do. Same species remember?”
1. The last Labour Government became increasingly unpopular for its ad hom attacks.
2. It was booted out in part because its behaviour was seen to be unacceptable.
3. It learned nothing and continues its ad hom attacks – for no reason other than someone from whom it expects blind and unquestioning loyalty has a different view of things.
4. They want to be a government for all of NZ yet the hatred for some sectors of the community is such that Fenton, for example, will not do business with them — not just because of the Butcher but because they are tory supporters.
Not the same species at all. This is not the reaction of someone stunned by an unexpected shunning. This is deeply ingrained bigotry. They have had years to learn but will not tolerate any notion that they have to earn respect, then votes. They seem to think it is theirs as of right. NZ is calling bullshit.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
James
I see no problem with high profile Kiwis endorsing a party or candidate, it is part of our democratic freedom to speak your mind.
For instance you can be assured that I will never spend a cent to watch anything that ‘stars’ third rate actresses like Lawless and Malcom given their support for the Greens, it is not personal, it is politics.
The same could be said for Sir Ed, now in his later years he did become somewhat of a silly old duffer and an open supporter of the previous corrupt PM, however even that would not lead me to suggest that he was anything other than a great man.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
“”I do wish people with a high public profile for non-political stuff, would keep their gobs shut unless they’re actually entering politics.”
Seems to be part of our political heritage. Remember Citizens for Rowling? They were right then just as the Butcher is right now.
Vote:September 27th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Scott Chris
See Griff’s comment at 10.31, it demonstrates that you can be appreciative of the mans work and still be irritated by him, I have no issue with that at all.
Nobody has suggested that it is compulsory to love the Mad Butcher.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 1:10 am
A party on 27% that thinks it has votes to burn. Christ what a bunch of winners.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 2:50 am
big bruv got it right when he described Sir Peter as “a thoroughly decent person”. He was thoroughly decent when he supported labour, and he’s thoroughly decent now. Shame on you Darien. As Reid said. Pond scum.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Big Bruv – “demonstrates that you can be appreciative of the mans work and still be irritated by him”
As you’ve finally decided to address the issue rather than just hurl abuse, I’ll give you an honest answer.
I believe Peter Leitch is a good business man. His style of personality marketing and his mimicry of various American promotion tools has made him a very successful. For that, I believe he deserves credit.
What I do not like is the fact that he has to constantly remind people of the fact that he’s been flying Christchurch quake victims to see league games, or that he is donating this much to this or that charity.
In effect it is in his business interests to use his charity work as PR. It pays for itself, otherwise he’d be broke. Allan Hubbard used the same strategy of generosity, and he too had a very loyal posse of supporters.
He may well be a naturally generous person, but I prefer people who let their generosity speak for itself, rather than the other way around.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 7:13 am
What oldlogger said; a change of political opinions has not changed Sir Peter Leitch the man.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 7:54 am
“What I do not like is the fact that he has to constantly remind people of the fact that he’s been flying Christchurch quake victims to see league games, or that he is donating this much to this or that charity. ”
1. He isn’t constantly reminding people in the way you infer. He has been interviewed twice recently; on radio, then TV, and asked about it. Beyond that, any publicity surrounding his fund-raising has been in the context of the particular cause he has been promoting. He is no more reminding people of what he does than Fred Hollows was promoting himself when he was trying to raise funds for eye care in the boonies, or Hillary in flogging his Nepal charity.
2. The fact that he is quite shameless in leveraging his brand to advantage others doesn’t cause me any trouble. Good on him. You take the view that he is doing this work to enhance the brand. Do you possess some information that substantiates your view in preference to mine or is it just small-mindedness? Do you think he is immoral?
3. He no longer has a business and has not had one for some time – at least a couple of years is my recollection, but it may not be that long. His exit from the business appears to have coincided with the establisment of the museum (from which he makes no money) that will be bequeathed to the nation on his death. Just an ego trip perhaps?
“It pays for itself, otherwise he’d be broke.”
4. Bare-faced assumptions Scott? Tsk tsk. Or are you his accountant?
“Allan Hubbard used the same strategy of generosity, and he too had a very loyal posse of supporters”
4. Is there a point to that remark?
“but I prefer people who let their generosity speak for itself, rather than the other way around.”
5. Can you suggest how he might promote causes as effectively as he has done by hiding under the carpet. Or would you prefer that he just donated money and not his time and energy? ie just head straight for that re-distribution of wealth.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 8:24 am
thedavincimode – “He isn’t constantly reminding people in the way you infer”
As a listener to Radio Sport for the past 15 years, I have heard Peter Leitch *speak live* around 4 times a week on average. (not prerecorded promos)
Having heard him opine off the cuff over 2500 times, I can confidently say I have more to go on than a couple of sound bites.
It is a reflection of your egocentric mindset that you can only estimate my knowledge of him based on your own experience of his media exposure.
“your view in preference to mine or is it just small-mindedness”
Marketing 101. It’s obvious to anyone with a brain. If you’ve read what I’ve said on this thread, you’d see that I don’t have a problem with that.
“He no longer has a business”
Firstly, he is still contracted to promote the brand, which, I assume, employs the same successful marketing formula that has worked so well thus far.
Secondly, if you know anything about human psychology, you’d know that his company is his baby, no matter who owns it, and he will remain loyal to that idea as well.
“Bare-faced assumptions”
Self evident. Don’t know what your point is here.
“suggest how he might promote causes as effectively as he has done by hiding under the carpet”
You can promote a cause. Fine. I REPEAT, just let the donation part of it speak for itself. Altruism seeks no reward.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Recently my 11 yr old son had to do a project on a famous NZ’er. Over half the class chose the MaD Butcher. The choice was his, but I helped him with a few searches. Sir Peter is a great NZ’er. What I read made me proud to share the same nationality. Sure, some of what he did had PR benefits, but his generosity of spirit shone through. Remember the marooned Russian sailors- there was Sir Peter down at the waterfront cooking up sausages for the,.
Vote:I have tried to point out on Red Alert that Labour’s rabid ‘bite anything and everyone’ policy is just nuts. This latest from Darien Fenton is cretinous in the extreme. They still can’t see why their support is flagging, and until they do they are lost! Instead of berating and threatening Sir Peter they should have expressed regret, and acknowledged the position and gone on to say they were working hard to help all NZ’ers. Who advises them?
Whilst I am having my whinge, Labour’s attitude to those who pay most tax is appalling. They marginalize them with terms like ‘rich pricks’ etc, when they should express appreciation and try to enlist their support. Why alienate people. It is just nuts. They need a proper communication strategy to address every sector of the community, not just their diehard supporters.
September 28th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Ad hom and weasel words Scott? Goodness me.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Total utter green faced garbage from Fenton.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Scott Chris
“Big Bruv – “demonstrates that you can be appreciative of the mans work and still be irritated by him”
As you’ve finally decided to address the issue rather than just hurl abuse, I’ll give you an honest answer.”
FFS!…how old are you Scott?, that would have to be the most immature reply I have read on here since D4J was given the boot……….Grow up man.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Scott Chris,
“To be fair, he’s that peculiarly Australasian animal, the working class conservative, where its all about tradition and loyalty to yer mates, and be modest, and don’t swear in front of the women, to be fair.”
That would be a good thing then woudn’t it?
BB,
“FFS!…how old are you Scott?, that would have to be the most immature reply I have read on here”
Try reading your own posts. Thats a pretty amusing accusation from someone who is quite happy to hurl immature abuse around when it suits you.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Well, yes, but why should their opinion carry any more weight than yours or mine? If Sir Butch want’s to stick his head over the parapet, he shouldn’t be surprised if he gets shot at too.
DPF states “Personally, I shop based on location, price, quality and service.” Well so do I, as far as it goes, but there’s a difference between witholding custom because of someone’s views and avoiding contributing financially to someone who is campaigning for something I’m opposed to.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Big Bruv – “FFS!…how old are you Scott?, that would have to be the most immature reply I have read on here since D4J was given the boot……….Grow up man.”
You’ve lost me. Which aspect of my reply was immature and not honest? (and please don’t just say “well if you can’t see it I feel sorry for you” etc.)
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 9:32 am
thedavincimode – “Ad hom and weasel words Scott? Goodness me.”
Just look at the freakin’ rationale. It is honest and reasonable. You opened with “small minded” and ended with “weasel words”. I am simply matching the temperature of your rhetoric.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Lee – “That would be a good thing then woudn’t it?”
For you, yes, it is good. You are a social conservative and free to be so.
I am socially liberal, so I’d rather people were more spontaneous, and less ritualistic.
As we have both made our positions clear, I prefer to seek common ground in case we need to gang up on somebody
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 9:41 am
So, you agree, it was ad hom and weasel words. You must be feeling terrible.
BTW, I omitted hypocrisy.
It seems like you had a bad experience with the Butch. No meat in your sausage?
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 9:43 am
why on earth is she called Darien? That’s a boy’s name.
No wonder she’s twisted.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 9:45 am
“As we have both made our positions clear, I prefer to seek common ground in case we need to gang up on somebody”
Always good to have a fallback strategy!
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 9:56 am
davincicode – “So, you agree, it was ad hom and weasel words.”
Nope. I admit only to a retaliatory ad hom. The argument itself, if you’d care to critique that, was sound. I’m happy to focus on the argument if you are, and I’ll even agree to drop the supercilious sub-text.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Gosh. So, retaliatory ad hom, that’s kind of like … not ad hom? Like “mis-speak” isn’t a lie?
And was it the sausages, or something else?
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 10:15 am
thedavincimode – “Gosh. So, retaliatory ad hom, that’s kind of like … not ad hom? Like “mis-speak” isn’t a lie?”
Just qualifying the ad hom and my justification for using it. I’d rather focus on the issue.
I have my impression of Peter Leitch. I have attempted to define that.
You have your impression of Peter Leitch. You have attempted to define that.
We disagree. I’m happy with that.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Still a bit curious about your hypocrisy though Scott.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 10:25 am
FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!!
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 10:38 am
davincimode – okay, I’ll post my reply on GD
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Here you go Darien!
http://socialistsausage.blogspot.com/
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Business people have been expressing public support for political parties and leaders since the beginning of the modern political era. Labour has gone out of its way to trumpet prominent business people who have publicly supported it – eg Owen Glenn (before he too fell from grace by pinging Winston Peters for his lies). There is almost non-existent foaming at the mouth from the political right when this happens. Those on the right shrug their shoulders and say “its a democracy – he/she can vote for who they like”.
But the left have this perverse enforced tribal loyalty requirement and when someone stays from their reservation they react with swift brutality. Helen Clark, knowing the importance to Labour’s urban working class (especially white) base wooed Lietch assiduously and was always seen (even if only fleetingly) at rugby league games and not just the Warriors. Leitch came from South Auckland and personified the kind of rags to riches but still have a social conscience that used to be a virtue in the Labour Party until the sisterhood’s purges of the 1990s and to the present day.
Labour would see Leitch, warts and all, as THEIR working class, tough talking, league supporting and likely Labour voting man. I bet Lietch voted Labour for most of his adult life but now sees Key as the more viable leader and had the temerity to say it. Fenton merely reflects modern Labour group think and would see this endorsement as tantamount to treachery as they would surmise that they had the lock on the South Auckland working class vote that Lietch so clearly came from. Labour’s strategists aren’t so stupid to not see the huge damage this endorsement does to a huge and vital core constituency to Labour. The very demographic that allowed Clark to squeak home in 2005 has just been give permission to vote National from one of their heroes. Demonising the turncoat is Labour’s instinctive tribal reaction and they lack sufficient connectedness to the real world to know that this knee jerk response is like pouring petrol on the electoral fire.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
KIA,
Very well said.
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
He’s welcome to do so……as long as the first part is true!
Vote:September 28th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
i note the success the leftards have had on this thread in turning this story from, what a piece of work
is Darien Fenton to a discussion of the merits or otherwise of Sir Peter Leitch.
Some correspondents here seem to play into their hands to an extent that is lamentable.
Gormless in fact.
However…..
After question time today even a nasty, vindictive, nonce like Fenton and her apologists here must be getting an inkling
that she has fucked up by revealing her/labours true colours.
It’s agravating to see how easy it is for a lightweight intellect like Scot Chris for example to deflect
Vote:the argument and lead some by the nose.
The point is Darien Fenton is a typical Labour list scum, and a fine example of that type.