Mutu says ban white immigrants

September 4th, 2011 at 10:22 am by David Farrar

Marika Hill in the SST reports:

A Maori academic says by whites should be restricted because they pose a threat to race relations due to their “white supremacist” attitudes.

The controversial comments come in response to a Department of Labour report, obtained exclusively by the Sunday Star-Times, which found Maori are more likely to express anti-immigration sentiment than Pakeha or any other ethnic group.

, head of Auckland University’s department of Maori studies, agreed with the findings and called on the government to restrict the number of white migrants arriving from countries such as South Africa, England and the United States as they brought attitudes destructive to Maori.

“They do bring with them, as much as they deny it, an attitude of white supremacy, and that is fostered by the country,” she said.

At this stage I’m wondering whether Mutu qualifies as a brown supremacist? If a white person called on the Government to restrict the number of brown migrants, they would probably be called a white supremacist.

In my world immigration should ignore skin colour. Migrants should be assessed as individuals, and decisions should be based on their level of skills, experience, education, wealth etc etc. Of course you would also filter against people with criminal convictions and those with extreme anti-democratic views.

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128 Responses to “Mutu says ban white immigrants”

  1. wat dabney (3,462 comments) says:

    I can assure Ms Mutu that the aspirant, hard-working Asians who come here quickly aquire contempt for what they see and learn of Maori. Perhaps she should add them to her list?

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  2. freedom101 (439 comments) says:

    We should move now to abolish the Maori seats and all forms of separatist legislation in NZ. One law for all. It’s obvious that every move towards accommodating special treatment on Treaty grounds serves only to move the goal posts to a more extreme position. There is no room in a liberal democracy for racially-based laws and privileges. Countries which go down that track inevitably fail.

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  3. RandySavage (195 comments) says:

    Mutu is a nut plain and simple. The only people dragging this country into the abyss are people who share her retarded views

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  4. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (856 comments) says:

    I take it Ms Mutu has few qualms about accepting the white man’s money, accepting the white man’s tenure, and enjoying a cosy life at the taxpayer’s teat.

    In fact, has Ms Mutu ever done an actual days work in her life that didnt depend on some handout?

    I think we can safely feel sorry for her, she is clearly suffering self esteem issues as a result of long-term dependency on state support.

    I also note that Wat is correct, most Asian immigrants have no time for parasitical bludgers. What exactly IS Maori studies anyway? its clearly not about teaching language skills, and doesn’t seem to be part of the history faculty (they have standards of scholarship) , so it really must be about political activism and stoking grievances.

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  5. Spam (586 comments) says:

    Did they ask the head of Auckland University’s department of European studies for comment?

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  6. ben (2,386 comments) says:

    What a beat up.

    An academic who plainly cannot know what is going on inside the heads of other people who uniformly deny holding that particularly nasty view is given serious treatment by a newspaper as a transparent attempt to create a controversy.

    10 points off for SST. They are now sitting on negative 5 gillion in my book.

    Ms Mutu must be plain stupid to make these comments, but absent the feedbacks of the real world, academics can take extreme views with impunity. She should be ignored.

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  7. adze (1,695 comments) says:

    Lol Spam.

    There’s a careful distinction we should make here; what makes Mutu’s comment racist is not concern about immigration policy per se, but the notion that “white people are racist” (and its frequent bedfellow: only white people can be racist). It’s this sort of meta-racism that appears to be common among hard-left ideologues.

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  8. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    I was glad to see the article was given good balance by including the views of the Race Relations Commissioner and academics Paul Spoonley and Paul Moon.

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  9. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Mutu’s mother was white. By her own definition, the self-loathing Mutu must be a supremacist.
    She must be so distressed at being contaminated by Scottish genes.

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  10. wreck1080 (3,526 comments) says:

    why do you even give it airtime?

    Mutu is just trying to be provocative to invoke reaction and publicity.

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  11. adze (1,695 comments) says:

    Which tertiary institute actually employs Mutu? Perhaps her workplace could be picketed by the UNITE union until she’s sacked, a la Paul Henry? I am certain that the UNITE executive has a high degree of integrity and will enforce the same principle. *poker face*

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  12. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Mutu’s mother was white. By her own definition, the self-loathing Mutu must be a supremacist.

    In that case I’d suggest she kills herself.

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  13. Murth (26 comments) says:

    I would suggest that someone make a complaint about her comments to the Race Relations Commissioner.

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  14. Elaycee (4,081 comments) says:

    A predictable statement from a member of a racist MoFo party who can only survive on the perpetuation of the grievance train.

    I can imagine the outrage if a white academic said that the Maori seats are a crock of shit and they should be axed – along with race based privileges / race based funding etc.

    Oh, that’s different?

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  15. scanner (340 comments) says:

    I’m not sure which is worse, this half-wit half-breed spouting her divisive rubbish, or the gullible easily led media that deem this crap newsworthy enough to fill their pathetic rags with.
    No surprises Hone and the loathsome Sykes woman are amongst her followers, why do these people seem to attract the dickhead element, must be the flies on shit syndrome.

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  16. Lazybum (259 comments) says:

    As if Black immigration has worked in NZ. See Mt Roskill now and parts of South Auckland.
    I have to say whites are superior in the aspect of getting ahead, black ones are just happy to be on benefits as this is better than what they had back home and they get extra to breed.

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  17. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    She is of course entitled to have and air her views.

    However I am certain that the same type of statement coming from a white academic and aimed at any non white race group would result in disciplinary action and possibly sacking.

    If her employers fail to take action then they are the racists.But I am also equally confident that nothing will happen as it’s just more of the same from the hypocritical world of the left, and so called academia.

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  18. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Maybe Mutu has a point. Based on the Israeli precedent of reclaiming The Promised Land on the basis of historical sovereignty, I’m sure all the pro-Zionists on Kblog will be in favour of the creation of a separate Maori state.

    Could be time for us honkies to pack up and go home.

    I prefer a united New Zealand personally. ;)

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  19. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Maori immigrantion should be reversed because they eat people.

    Proceed with the hysteria.

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  20. The Gantt Guy (30 comments) says:

    Kowtow, you’re clearly a racist white motherfucker. What Margaret Mutu said is clearly completely different to what Alastair Thompson said about women and their cycle. Completely different. For one thing, Mutu will absolutely NOT be fired for her brain fart. For another, she actually believes what she said.

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  21. GPT1 (2,043 comments) says:

    Just some goof seeking airtime.

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  22. The Gantt Guy (30 comments) says:

    GPT1 yes she is, the problem is she gets it (airtime). It is incumbent on the sane, rational portions of society to mock this modern-day, KKK mirror-image mercilessly and as publicly as possible, lest those of the mainstream (the sheeple who tend to get their “news” from the dead tree press) believe her views have any basis in reality.

    And yes, what tristanb said. I don’t know how the woman can possibly live with herself. She should just kill herself now.

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  23. tom hunter (4,010 comments) says:

    I wonder if we’ll see a decline in the immigration of whites to Auckland University?

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  24. Barnsley Bill (931 comments) says:

    As David and a few of you know I live and work in the far North. Friday was a busy day for me. Appointments on farms in Taipa, Oruaiti, Pukenui and Houhura punctuated with a couple of hours in kaitaia.

    The day was significant due mainly to the Kaitaia side trip where I witnessed a scrap in the main street, not the scrap so much but the shrieking abuse heaped at all comers by the fat, tracksuit pant wearing wahines. Dirty, fat, useless sacks of shit. All had a brood of filthy kids with them. In fact you would be mistaken for thinking it was a public holiday on Friday up there for the number of feral youth wandering around was large.

    All my farm visits went well and as I sat down for a cuppa with an avocado grower, and a citrus orchadist, and a strawberry grower and an orchid grower they all seperately but similarly had one complaint. Despite all of them offering 20 + bucks an hour they had no local labour. None of them could find a reliable person in the far north to work for them. When they did make the effort and take a chance they had to deal with all the usual problems, drunk, stoned, lazy, absentee dick heads.

    so Margaret Mutu, might I suggest you look closer to home for the real problems in this country and make a special effort over the next wee while to get down on your knobbly knees and kiss the arse of every last fucking migrant that comes here and acceps that a big chunk of their productive labour is going towards supporting the feral underclass that your race so fully represents.

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  25. Elaycee (4,081 comments) says:

    Barnsley Bill says: “so Margaret Mutu, might I suggest you look closer to home for the real problems in this country and make a special effort over the next wee while to get down on your knobbly knees and kiss the arse of every last fucking migrant that comes here and accepts that a big chunk of their productive labour is going towards supporting the feral underclass that your race so fully represents.”

    Well said, Sir.

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  26. Right of way is Way of Right (1,125 comments) says:

    Dear Barnsley Bill,

    A few more of you, and a few less Ms Mutu’s is what this country desperately needs! If you’re ever down Auckland way, the first few beers are on me my friend.

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  27. tom hunter (4,010 comments) says:

    I prefer a united New Zealand personally

    Me too, but since that was partly predicated on inter-marriage of European and Maori (as per the suggestions of Ranagnui Walker and countless members of the older generations), and since this has appeared to fail so badly in the case Ms. Mutu, I’d say the prospect of a united New Zealand is farther away now than ever.

    I’m sure all the pro-Zionists on Kblog will be in favour of the creation of a separate Maori state.
    Could be time for us honkies to pack up and go home.

    You may have heard that analogies can break down very quickly, especially when they try to push through logical contradictions – unless you mean that my family should trot back to the top of the South Island and have Te Ika a Māui declared as the separate Maori state? Which has it’s attractions I’ll admit.

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  28. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    Barnsley Bill
    It is posts like yours and the internet that keep me sane.
    You would never see the truth of your statements in our so called MSM.

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  29. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    But seriously, Mutu is being racist, because she is making the assumption that white immigrants are white supremacists.

    She should be censured and sacked as racism of any kind should not be tolerated, regardless of the context.

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  30. The Gantt Guy (30 comments) says:

    Gee Scott, ya think?

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  31. Other_Andy (2,079 comments) says:

    @Elaycee

    “Oh, that’s different?”

    Yep….
    Fighting racism with racism

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  32. tom hunter (4,010 comments) says:

    She should be censured and sacked as racism of any kind should not be tolerated, regardless of the context.

    That is just so sweet. Truly, something to bring a tear to my eye on Father’s Day.

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  33. Other_Andy (2,079 comments) says:

    Dr. Margaret Mutu, the Joseph Goebbles of the Mana Party.

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  34. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Hey wait isn;t that an evil white mans qualification she wearing Andy?

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  35. Caleb (465 comments) says:

    Barnsley Bill nails it.

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  36. mudrunner (82 comments) says:

    Well said Barnsley Bill.

    I live in Hawkes Bay and this Sunday morning walked my dog past one of the local vineyards and got a cheery good morning from the migrant workers pruning the vines.

    Later, I will into Hastings and weave around past the local layabouts who should be doing that work.

    The work has to be done and I would rather see cheery Maori doing it that migrants.

    But Barnsley Bill said it better.

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  37. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    “I’d say the prospect of a united New Zealand is farther away now than ever.”

    I agree, because the consultative approach favoured by the conciliators in recent years appears to be leading to limited cultural autonomy within the same constitution. Long term, we’ll all be coffee coloured, so racial issues will become irrelevant, unless eugenics becomes fashionable again.

    “You may have heard that analogies can break down very quickly”

    Yes, unless the comparison is similar enough. For instance, substitute the words “the Israelis” or “the Maoris” or “Native Americans” for the word “they” in the following statement made yesterday by Fletch, and see if the meaning still holds true:

    “Why should they be squeezed into a little box in lands that they have always historically owned? Aren’t they allowed anything?”

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  38. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    I’d prune vines for $20 an hour over summer.

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  39. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    We could do very well without Mutu. Let’s hope she emigrates (and takes Lazybum 11.15am with her).

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  40. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    What, some of those white M/F immigrants were racist, perish the thought.
    Hmm, copy Israel, make NZ a land for hori descendents only ? hey must be a good idea just look at all the Red Sea Pedestrian apologists who post here.

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  41. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    goh said “just look at all the Red Sea Pedestrian apologists who post here”

    Why don’t you change your name to “grumpyoldwanker”?

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  42. dirtbag (15 comments) says:

    Barnsly bill for prime minister

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  43. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    mudrunner nope you are wrong, better to have a hori owning the vineyard with hard working god fearing honkies pruning the vines.

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  44. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    What some of those brown/neck mogofs are racist? Lets send them all back to Taiwan eh hori?

    Typical applogist for racism and genocide speaks.

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  45. mudrunner (82 comments) says:

    “grumpyoldhori (1,974) Said:
    September 4th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    mudrunner nope you are wrong, better to have a hori owning the vineyard with hard working god fearing honkies pruning the vines.”

    I don’t have a problem with that at all.

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  46. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Grumpyoldhori – “Red Sea Pedestrian”

    Heh, I like that. Apparently Jesus was a “Sea of Galilee Pedestrian”

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  47. Sublime (41 comments) says:

    She could try and step outside her artificial, cozy academic shelter and learn something real – in another country, far far away.

    New Zealand is better off without people like Margaret Mutu. And with any luck this will go viral and she’ll get the bollocking she deserves and be held accountable for this.

    Piss off, Margaret.

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  48. wat dabney (3,462 comments) says:

    Have you ever seen such a painfully worthless resume:

    http://artsfaculty.auckland.ac.nz/staff/?UPI=mmut003

    In these days of post-modern science and politically funded faculty, Margaret Mutu is what passes for an “academic.” In earlier times she wouldn’t have been promoted beyond dinner lady.
    Truly, there is absolutely nothing on that page of any worth whatsoever. That even a single cent of my tax money is confiscated to fund such childish self-indulgent wank is utterly offensive. Remember this shit when schools complain of lack of funds.

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  49. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    as BBill .. said. I was in Kaitaia, for the 1st time since the 70′s, earlier this year and yes, what I saw was troubling. I said when I returned, may have been here on Kblog, that we are heading for trouble in that town.
    The big worry for me is that Mutu TEACHERS people about Maori issues .. I wonder what bent her lessons have.

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  50. RandySavage (195 comments) says:

    The problem with Mutu is she hates her own heritage and has spent most of her life denying who she really is. Anyway shes a dinosaur and the sooner she breaks up into dust the better off we all will be

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  51. DJP6-25 (1,235 comments) says:

    No doubt in a couple of weeks time she’ll still have her tax payer funded job. I wonder if she’ll decline to accept the proportion of her salary that comes from ‘white supremacists’? Don’t hold your breath.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  52. Barnsley Bill (931 comments) says:

    For what it’s worth, Kaikohe is worse by a factor of 10.

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  53. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Wat said…
    In earlier times she wouldn’t have been promoted beyond dinner lady.

    You’re right on the mark there Wat. I think that University of Auckland (including other NZ Universities) should chop this useless Maori Department (including the Pacific Studies Department, Gender Studies Department, and so forth) as those ones don’t contribute anything useful to society except wasting taxpayers’ $. It is unbelievable that our Universities are complaining that the Govt had cut down research funding for technology & science but if you look at what useless departments that they have (ie, at each university), you see money-wasting & useless courses are being funded, for instance, the Maori Department.

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  54. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    $20 an hour is decent pay since you will be going from dawn to dusk in summer, hard work but i imagine that’s what puts most off.

    Why don’t they advertise in Auckland? plenty of laborers here looking for work.

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  55. wreck1080 (3,526 comments) says:

    Barnsley has a nice turn of phrase.

    I too find it objectionable we must import labour because kiwis (white and brown) are too lazy to do the work.

    Here in Tauranga, a tour operator could not find local maori willing to perform for cruise liner passengers at the port. So, they hired foreigners to pose as maori .

    When the maoris complained, it was pointed out that the local maoris had been offered the work but were too unreliable and did not show when required.

    It is really disgraceful, considering the maori unemployment problem.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/cultures/news/article.cfm?c_id=105&objectid=10621953

    A tour operator is under fire for using fake Maori to attract tourists from cruise ships docking in Tauranga.

    Discovery Heritage Group has been banned from Port of Tauranga land after rival companies complained it hired foreign workers to wear traditional Maori dress.

    Company director Terina Puriri said she employed a range of nationalities, including French and Israelis, because local Maori were not willing to promote their heritage.

    “Some of our Maori are too slack to promote themselves. Some of our Maori are too lazy to get out of bed to do that.

    “They don’t turn up and it’s a known thing for Tauranga Maori to do that.”

    The company, which had contracts with some cruise ships to provide cultural liaison and perform on board, was asked to keep off port land before Christmas. Employees must now wait for potential customers outside the gates.

    “We have a big problem with Tauranga port because they don’t want culture on their port,” Puriri said.

    “We’re trying hard to do something positive in the community.”

    Port of Tauranga commercial manager Graeme Marshall said the group was removed because of a security breach. “The representation of who came through the gate into the port did not match up with their identification.”

    But, even with the correct paperwork, the group may not be allowed back.

    “The other issues … to be taken into account would be the authenticity of what they’re representing,” said Marshall, who feared the port could receive “international condemnation” if non-Maori were representing Maori culture.

    Local kaumatua Iria Whiu, from Ngati Ranginui and Ngai te Rangi, was outraged, saying Puriri’s comments were “highly insulting”.

    Using non-Maori posing as Maori was an insult to Maori nationwide, he said.

    Tourism Bay of Plenty general manager Tim Burgess commended the port’s stance.

    “There’s a cultural issue at the heart of it … presenting international visitors Maori culture when the people aren’t actually Maori is not really the best look.”

    Puriri, who has Maori, German and English ancestry, dismissed the criticism as “splitting hairs”.

    She said her multinational team had learnt Maori customs and some Te Reo, and helped build a Maori village on the outskirts of Tauranga.

    “None of my team are backpackers or full-blood Maori. But the tourists love us purely because we are proud of our culture and we look beautiful.”

    Details of the row emerged a week after the Herald on Sunday revealed Auckland man John Kairau has been charging tourists $5 to have their photo taken with a “Maori in traditional dress” using their own camera.

    Kairau has a moko scrawled on his face with marker pen. He was moved off Princes Wharf after Tourism Auckland asked him to leave.

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  56. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    Catherine Delahunty describes Margaret Mutu as “influential”.

    One of the powerful currents this year was the korero on constitutional change. Some of it happened off site at the Haruru falls but some of it happened in a large open tent where tangata whenua people without invitation to be “leaders” talked about their issues. Some of the most influential thinkers in this country’s constitutional development spoke in the political forums over several days. Moana Jackson, Annette Sykes, Mereana Pitman, Margaret Mutu to name but a few.
    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/08/waitangi-day-2010/#comments

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  57. Barnsley Bill (931 comments) says:

    The reason that we have numerous successful backpackers in Kerikeri is the abundance of well paid casual work. Two near neighbours in my road have billet type accomodation and they fly migrant workers in to get the work done. The labour force type companies fail miserably up here because there are literally no locals willing or capable of contracting to them. One of them crops year round and relies completely on migrant workers, the other is 9 months out of 12 and brings people over and they save up their holidays and then take a three month break.
    Right now every avocado orchard in the far north and probably bay of plenty has work for anybody willing to turn up.. Sober, on time and unlikely to steal or cause trouble and you are in. Many of them are so desperate they offer accomodation.
    Now somebody posed the argument that many people don’t want to do manual farm type work and my reply is if you are a lazy work shy gobshite who wants to change.. Don’t expect to be flying Jumbo Jets your first week in the job. Build a work history demonstrating reliability and a keen atttitude and opportunities will open up.
    Alternatively continue to be a worthless gobshite stinking up our shoppping area and being half men reliant on whitey for your subsistence existence.

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  58. Other_Andy (2,079 comments) says:

    @Barnsley Bill
    Have you got some websites with information about farms\orchards looking for seasonal workers (school holidays)?

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  59. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    “Catherine Delahunty describes Margaret Mutu as “influential”.

    Nearly everyone describes Catherine Delahunty as “mad.”
    I doubt whether even toad would try and defend her. But at least she doesn’t support Winston.

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  60. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Ah, Kaikohe and Kaitaia. If National is serious about building closr relations with the US we should be offering those towns as nuclear testing sites.

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  61. Barnsley Bill (931 comments) says:

    just google.. SEASONAL WORK IN KERIKERI

    Seasonal work is not the best for people on a benefit because of the stop start nature of the work but properly organised it is possible to work the whole year.

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  62. Spiritfree (79 comments) says:

    Barnsley Bill! I lived up at Pukenui, which in comparison with some other places in the Far North I really liked. Please, though, not all Maori are lazy, by any means, I have to say. I lived with another very-hardworking Maori for most of last year. And the Maori couple who run the cafe/bar/restaturant at Pukenui are really lovely people and work very hard, as do the ones who work for them. I understand where you’re coming from, but it’s not fair to make sweeping generalisations about any race, IMO. You’d have fun talking to Scottie there, though, a regular in the bar. He tells it like it is in the funniest of ways.

    The energy in Kaitaia, though, is not good. And energy is what it’s all about – remember that there was the tornado which caused some damage there in 2009. Bad energy attracts that kind of thing. Seriously.

    Kaikohe – it was the nearest big town to where I lived through most of last year. I wouldn’t say ten times worse, but yes, I do know what you mean. Do you ever drive out towards Rawene and Omapere from there? Call in at the Ye Olde Village Store at Taheke and say hello to Suzzanna – she’ll put you right. Such a lovely person.

    Like I said, the energy is what it’s all about. Next time you’re up at Houhora and feel really peed off, just drive the two km out to Houhora Heads and unwind there. It is extraordinarily beautiful, the energy is amazing and you will feel refreshed, I guarantee it. Kick back and breathe a bit.

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  63. A single spark (46 comments) says:

    I don’t think Margaret Mutu said anything particularly racist. At least not in the context of what passes for acceptable discourse on race in this country.

    After all many white New Zealanders feel that there are far too many asians in the country. And many white New Zealanders also have negative feelings towards Pacific migrants (in spite of their high representation in many sports teams).

    So a brown person feeling that there are too many whites in the country should not come across as any more racist.

    We have had Mr Farrar pushing the racist drivel of Dr Clydesdale on this website.

    Mr Peters comments on Asians always attract significant support.

    Margaret Mutu’s comments are in comparison relatively mild. There is also some truth behind the comments. Anyone who has been around English migrants will tell you they are the most anti-Maori, racist group we have here. In my experience much more so than even South African whites, who by and large are eager to demonstrate how non-racist they are.

    But wait until you get them into a real conversation on race. Then their true stripes come out pretty quickly.

    Well done Prof Mutu.

    Whites hardly ever get picked on as a group, especially in the media. Give them a taste of the sh** they dish out to others.

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  64. The Gantt Guy (30 comments) says:

    Yeah, it is interesting talking to white Saffers about race isn’t it, Sparky. How they’ve had to leave their country since it got turned over to the ANC, and became the murder capital of the world. They’ve got nothing to be upset about really, do they?

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  65. A single spark (46 comments) says:

    I take it Ms Mutu has few qualms about accepting the white man’s money, accepting the white man’s tenure, and enjoying a cosy life at the taxpayer’s teat.

    I believe that Prof Mutu is in gainful employment as an academic. She is a highly intelligent woman with a first degree in pure mathematics. How many of the posters here have mastered Laplace transforms and second order ode’s?

    It is not only whites who pay tax.

    So I don’t know what sh*$ you are on about when you say ‘white man’s money’.

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  66. A single spark (46 comments) says:

    They’ve got nothing to be upset about really, do they?

    Not really. They enjoyed the highest standard of living in the world for a very long time – swimming pools, maids, vast tracts of farmland stolen off black people.

    You reap what you sow.

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  67. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    It’s mainly interesting to see what racism people complain about. We’ve had Kiwibloggers bagging Mutu all day, with some justification. But right here apparently you can say:
    “I have to say whites are superior in the aspect of getting ahead, black ones are just happy to be on benefits as this is better than what they had back home and they get extra to breed.”
    Tacit acceptance of that tells one a lot about the outrage at Mutu.

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  68. Other_Andy (2,079 comments) says:

    Cheers Bill.

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  69. Other_Andy (2,079 comments) says:

    @A single spark

    “I don’t think Margaret Mutu said anything particularly racist. At least not in the context of what passes for acceptable discourse on race in this country.”

    Acceptable, realy?

    So I expect you can name a few people in high profile positions (Apart from WP) who have publcly stated that “immigration by coulored people should be restricted”?

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  70. Spiritfree (79 comments) says:

    A single spark – you must be wearing blinkers. That having been said, there are a lot of racist comments on here too.

    Margaret Mutu’s comments are in comparison relatively mild.
    She made them in public – she could hardly be expected to say “White MoFo’s”, could she?

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  71. Other_Andy (2,079 comments) says:

    @A single spark

    “She said the Resistance was against mass white immigration, because white migrants “stole jobs” and “destroyed Maori culture and heritage”.

    You think this is “in comparison a relatively mild comment”?
    “Nothing particularly racist. At least not in the context of what passes for acceptable discourse on race in this country?”

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  72. Bob R (1,253 comments) says:

    One of the strongest predictors of immigrant productivity is IQ*. On that basis you would expect a high number of Asian and European migrants to be admitted. The only downside with diversity per se, is what Harvard’s Robert Putman showed – that is can weaken social cohesion and lead to reduced community involvement. Selecting for skilled migrants can ameliorate these effects as they tend to be more productive and better citizens**.

    * http://mason.gmu.edu/~gjonesb/Immigrant%20IQ

    ** http://www.american.com/archive/2009/august/dealing-with-diversity-the-smart-way

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  73. Spiritfree (79 comments) says:

    And so the racist reactions to a racist leave the discussion in the same way that most discussions are left – fizzling out with claim and counter-claim. This is a very sad commentary on kiwiblog, but it is I believe reflective on NZ society.

    I’m saying goodbye to kiwiblog now, just as I’ve said goodbye to New Zealand. I feel a tad sorry for everyone living there, as there is so much good in the country, but it is being subsumed by the racist resentments. It takes two for these to occur.

    When that ridiculous Treaty is torn up and everyone shakes hands and says either “welcome, brother” or “welcome, sister”, then NZ will be a good place to live in. Sayonara.

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  74. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (856 comments) says:

    ah “single spark” gainful employment. Actually she is a beneficiary race baiter who is abusing the tenure system to propogate her racist bullshit, but of course there is nothing in my statement that is particularly unusual discourse in this day and age.

    I don’t give a shit what her batchelors degree is in, she is peddling racist propaganda, and she has accepted the white man’s dollar to do so. Surely even someone like you spark, who has logged on just to push this issue, can see the ++ahem++ slight irony in taking taxpayer funding from those evil colonialists, in order to have a comfortable life dissing them?

    But perhaps not, cynical racists don’t think like that, and ripping off the system is all part of the gig isnt it?

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  75. A single spark (46 comments) says:

    and she has accepted the white man’s dollar to do so.

    So taxpayers money is the white man’s dollar? Since when?

    If you want to play that sort of game, what about the white farmers squatting on brown man’s land and turning over a good profit in the process?

    What about the source of white man’s wealth?

    Of course – from the exploitation of non-white people from Africa, Asia, the Americas, Australia and New Zealand, whether in the form of stealing their resources, land, labour, and often all three of these for several centuries.

    White man’s wealth? White man should feel grateful that he has a place here. White man’s home is England and Scotland.

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  76. A single spark (46 comments) says:

    slight irony in taking taxpayer funding from those evil colonialists, in order to have a comfortable life dissing them

    She is a respected academic. She is not even dissing white people. She simply is saying a large number of them harbour racist and supremacist attitudes. Just from a cursory reading of some of the comments on this message board, there is some truth to what she says. Many English migrants – one example is the excreble former NZ first MP Peter Brown harbour negative attitudes to coloured migrants.

    Similarly many South African whites are also incredibly racist. But they do at first try and conceal their true colours. But it does not take much effort to draw them out.

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  77. A single spark (46 comments) says:

    We had the editor of this blogsite peddling the racist drivel of a certain Dr Clydesdale just a few days ago. Also a couple of years ago. Dr Clydesdales comments are many times more extreme than anything Prof Mutu has said.

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  78. Kimble (4,092 comments) says:

    Quotes or it didnt happen.

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  79. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    “A single spark (10) Says:”

    “nutbar alert..nutbar alert..”…

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  80. Kimble (4,092 comments) says:

    Was it when he said that there is no link between immigration and innovation?

    Or maybe ASS is a fucking troll?

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  81. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    “I believe that Prof Mutu is in gainful employment as an academic.”

    mutu’s a racist old slag who should be out pickin cotton. I wouldnt cross the road to piss on her if she was on fire.

    [DPF: 30 demerits]

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  82. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    If Kiwiblog is the answer, the question was: where do we find New Zealand’s most despicable people?

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  83. Clint Heine (1,560 comments) says:

    Ignore the troll. It’s probably Mutu herselfor possibly Martyn Bradbury.

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  84. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Maori and New Zealanders are all equal Maori do not reside at the bottom of society They do not inhabit our jails, welfare, child abuse statistics or any other negative indicator.
    YEAH RIGHT

    Have a look at Auckland U’s Maori , Media and history departments. Full of wimmin studies types these people are the loony fringe of the Woman’s and Maori movements. You would not expect sane comments to come from the nut house nor should you expect any better from these sources.

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  85. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    A single spark (10) Says:
    September 4th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    slight irony in taking taxpayer funding from those evil colonialists, in order to have a comfortable life dissing them

    She is a respected academic.
    …………….
    Respected by whom?
    She is an of a closed society which claims a world view based on the spirit world. She isn’t an objective expert she is an advocate.
    Even Mikenmild admits shes a little bit naughty.

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  86. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    Margaret Mutu Must Be Challenged
    Posted on 25 Aug 2004

    Auckland University Professor of Maori Studies Margaret Mutu’s irresponsible threats and outrageous assertions before the Parliamentary Select Committee on the Foreshore and Seabed Bill must be challenged, Committee Member and ACT MP Ken Shirley said today.

    “While I believe that Labour’s foreshore and seabed legislation is misguided and inappropriate, Margaret Mutu asserted that her iwi, Northland’s Ngati Kahu, has full unrestricted ownership of all foreshore and seabed within her tribal boundaries with sole powers to regulate, manage and control all activities,” Mr Shirley said.

    “She claimed that this power of ownership extends to Tahiti, the ancient homeland of Hawaiki.

    “Prof Mutu’s obnoxious submission threatened that any restrictions on this asserted ownership would result in acts of terrorism and civil war, She openly condoned the type of terrorism operating in Palestine to resist any denial of the extensive rights she asserts.

    “Prof Mutu dismissed pakeha law, and pakeha legislation, which forces ordinary decent working people – Maori and pakeha – to pay her generous salary at Auckland University. It appears we are paying her to fill the heads of our young academics with mush,” Mr Shirley said.

    ENDS

    http://www.act.org.nz/news/margaret-mutu-must-be-challenged

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  87. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    mikenmild – “Tacit acceptance of that tells one a lot about the outrage at Mutu.”

    Some tacitly accepted, some ignored and some just didn’t see it. Kblogger commenters don’t react in concert.

    I note that Farrar has docked Starboard 30.

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  88. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    Like Jackson, Mutu is an urban Maori, raised in Auckland, but her spiritual heartland lies in the Far North. Ngati Kahu on her father’s side – her mother’s roots are Scottish – she has a home on Karikari peninsula, accessible only by four-wheel drive. Standing outside her house on the cliff, she can look over the bay and across the sand dunes – the site of old burial grounds – to Houhora Heads.
    http://www.arena.org.nz/sbmutu2.htm

    “Some Maori have no hesitation in saying what they think this is all about. “It’s quite obvious that underlying all this is a deeply entrenched racism,” says Professor Margaret Mutu of the University of Auckland’s Maori studies department, who is also actively involved with the Maori rights movement. “The European attitude is basically: we are superior, we are in charge, and that’s just the way it is. It’s really a huge problem here. And I do consider the patience of the Maori amazing. They could have taken up arms long ago, but they have not done so.”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2007/nov/06/features11.g2

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  89. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    Mutu is a bull (cow?) in a china shop.
    Attempting to pull down with little effort many others have worked decades to build.

    It’s so much easier to break than to build.

    Vile

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  90. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    Yes, Scott, but don’t expect any other comments attacking starboard for his ‘pickin cotton’ remark. Racism is racism, but it tends only to be racism from Maori that upsets people at Kiwiblog.

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  91. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    Fuck you mikenmild

    He was demerited at rightly so. I don’t see many objecting to that penalty. It was distasteful and was punished
    You are so full of shit

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  92. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Mike – one of the things I like about Kiwiblog, is that Starboard can make his comments, and you can condemn them.

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  93. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    I actually found the “Reap what you Sow” comment about White South African farmers who are being murdered in South Africa a little more offensive than Starboard’s snipe at Mutu….

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  94. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    The young Maori going thought the education system are being fed this “we own all the country its ours give it all back or else”crap at school and at home. The first generation since The treaty principles lies are grown up and the next are training to be the terrorists of our future.
    They refuse to admit that their culture is the one thing holding them at the bottom of society and instead blame New Zealand culture for their own failings. if you do not work if you beat your kids if you disrespect society if you commit crime you will never be better of.

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  95. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    A single spark said…
    How many of the posters here have mastered Laplace transforms and second order ode’s?

    Your point is? Knowledge of 2nd order ODE and Laplace transform doesn’t excuse Mutu from being a fucktard academic.

    To the best of my knowledge, there are some electrical/electronic engineers here on Kiwiblog posting comments. They do understand the practical application of the use of Laplace Transform for electronic filter design. I think that commenter Lance is (ie, an electronic engineer). May be they’re not commenting in reply to your post above as they see no relevant to your point. It would have been much more productive for Mutu to pursue her study higher up in Mathematics rather than useless Maori studies. She would have become an awesome productive engineer with her superior mathematical knowledge that you claimed in your post had she followed mathematics.

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  96. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    In Aotearoa/NZ Maori studies departments are politically rather than academically based.

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  97. hj (5,703 comments) says:

    Luc Hansen (3,159) Says:
    September 5th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    If Kiwiblog is the answer, the question was: where do we find New Zealand’s most despicable people?
    …….

    you find them at the ends of the political spectrum: skin heads and lefties who delight in the idea of a country owned by indigenous people and rented to non indigenous “visitors”.

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  98. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    @Falafulu Fisi
    Yes I had noted that. So disjointed was ‘single sparks’ comments that I couldn’t think of a sane answer to such unmitigated drivel.
    Us dumb old boys will have actually just have to carry on actually doing rather than teach.
    Apologies to all sane teachers out there

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  99. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Laplace Transfoms An Ode Of The Second Order: [integral]

    Dress’d to the nines be you,
    He that loves to be flattered.
    Thine overcoat dost Laplace Transform,
    And thine shoes do reveal the telltale crimson stripe
    One has come to know as Prada.

    Your hair, O does it shine! Slick’d into armor.
    Endeavoring to announce your lofty title
    Perchance a broker, salesman or lender be?
    And your gait, noble gait! ‘Tis rapid and confident.
    Assur’d you are of your position in life’s menagerie.

    Alas, there is bird shit on your back.

    Shakespeare

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  100. Mark (1,302 comments) says:

    If these comments were to be made by a white NZ academic on racial quoter for non white immigration one suspects that the race relations conciliator would publicly condemning them. But Mutu constantly gets away with such outrageous commentary without so much as a whisper from Joris de Bres or his office

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  101. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    Mark
    Perhaps you didn’t bother to read the article linked in the blog post. There has been plenty of condemnation from de Bres and others.

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  102. Spiritfree (79 comments) says:

    A Single Spark: White man’s home is England and Scotland.

    What happened to the Waitaha, eh? The Moriori? The latter slaughtered by Maori, while they refused to fight, because they came from the heart. The Waitaha, too, came from the heart. Their way wasn’t that of war. That was the way of Maori. Whose home, by the same logic you employ, is Hawaiiki.

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  103. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    The Waitaha eh, always good for a chuckle.

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  104. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    WE SHOULD RESTRICT IMMIGRATION OF BROWN PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY RAPE AND KILL THEIR OWN BABIES

    ‘Cause if it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander surely?

    Margaret…? ;-)

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  105. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    RRM
    I’m trusting that comment was intended to be satirical, although in poor taste.

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  106. Spiritfree (79 comments) says:

    hj: She is an of a closed society which claims a world view based on the spirit world.

    The following are very important points, which it would be great if all New Zealanders, Maori and non-Maori, could grasp:

    - if Mutu says that her views are based on ‘the spirit world’, then she is delusional. Her views of this nature should be shown up as such. It’s not hard. Up there in the higher dimensions (above the 4th), resentments do not exist. Love is the only emotion. Her claims would be based on 4th dimensional rubbish, and it is souls that are stuck in the 4th dimension which are causing huge problems in our three dimensional world, through manipulation. It is, sadly, quite easy for them to manipulate someone who has a limited view of the spirit world and all things related. I don’t. You’d never guess it from my moniker, would you! :-)

    - it is the intention of higher level energies that all, I mean ALL, beings on earth live in harmony with one another, without fear, without jealousies, without resentments, but in pure acceptance and with love for all.

    The only true way out of the mess that New Zealand is in, and parts of it are in a huge energetic swamp right now, is love. Embracing all. This means Maori renouncing all claims under the Treaty. Ripping it up. It means non-Maori apologising for all past wrongs. It means Maori accepting that they are living side by side with non-Maori and being happy about it.

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  107. Spiritfree (79 comments) says:

    Mikenmild: The Waitaha eh, always good for a chuckle.

    Mikenmild, you really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Check out the wiki page, where you’ll see that they are made to look as nothing by none other than Titewhai Harawira, proof enough for more or less anyone that they were very real.

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  108. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    Spiritfree
    I accept the term Waitaha as applied to mythical ancestors of Ngai Tahu, but reject the new age nonsense about their civilisaton of 2,000 years ago.

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  109. Dazzaman (1,114 comments) says:

    The Waitaha! When are mythbusters gonna get onto that one….

    Mutu has been barking up the wrong tree, white immigration has rarely been a source of disquiet for rank & file Maori, who would look on Mutu as a bit of an academic elitist shit stirrer. The real concern would be Asian immigration who have quickly pushed into the types of jobs that Maori have traditionally filled…..as the cannon fodder labour source they have always been….

    Not many sistah’s sitting at the supermarket checkouts or filling shelves anymore, just a sea of Indian girls…..At least the potato/onion/vege-packing jobs are still there for the brutha’s. Hah!

    My own particular concern is when radical islamism feels confident enough to rear its head publicly……then those with a chip on their shoulders will be easy meat for proselytising by the “religion of peace”.

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  110. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    And the gloves are off for the racist brown neck goose stepping master race today are they not.

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  111. TMC (68 comments) says:

    A little late to the show but the article is a bit confusing. I read the SST article in full too. The Department of Labour says “Maori are more likely to express anti-immigration sentiment than Pakeha or any other ethnic group.” And Mutu agrees BUT responds by asking for race based immigration restrictions because she thinks all those people are racists at heart?

    Is she saying “we’re anti-immigrant and racist, yes, but it’s because those immigrants are racists…”?

    Huh?

    Isn’t that the same as saying “All extremists should be shot”?

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  112. cabbage (454 comments) says:

    Even David Rankin has gone on the offensive and reckons she should be sacked:

    “I think Auckland University are scared of her,” he said, “and so they lack the courage to deal with her, but I think after this episode, they will be having another look at her position and the harm she is bringing to Auckland University.”

    Another poignant observation from David:

    “She obviously thinks of herself as the Robert Mugabe of New Zealand politics.”

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  113. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Regarding the Waitaha:

    Historian Michael King noted: “There was not a skerrick of evidence – linguistic, artifactual, genetic; no datable carbon or pollen remains, nothing – that the story had any basis in fact. Which would make Waitaha the first people on earth to live in a country for several millennia and leave no trace of their occupation.”

    On the other hand, it is unlikely that the first human discoverers of New Zealand would have left any trace of their being.

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  114. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    Actually Scott, the first humans to reach New Zealand have left a pretty clear archaeological record.

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  115. Elaycee (4,081 comments) says:

    “Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room.”

    Winston Churchill.

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  116. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Mike – “Actually Scott, the first humans to reach New Zealand have left a pretty clear archaeological record.”

    How do you know? If you’d said, “the first known humans”, then I’d have to agree with you.

    My guess is that New Zealand would have been rediscovered a number of times before it was successfully colonized. Perhaps it even had a mythological southern presence for the people of Hawaiki, similar to the European notional rumours of the pre-European New World.

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  117. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Ha, Elaycee, that’s pretty good. Am I the monkey, or the organ grinder?

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  118. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    The Scottish and the Maori suffered similar fates when fighting the English all be it 200 years earlier.

    The Maori’s got off lightly compared to the Scots.

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  119. KevinH (1,129 comments) says:

    “Massey University sociologist Paul Spoonley said his research showed while other ethnic groups’ attitudes toward migrants had been approving, Maori perception had become increasingly negative. Anti-immigration sentiment was fed by Maori fears that multicultural policies were diminishing policies concerning Maori, he said. ”

    Professor Margaret Mutu was perhaps less than diplomatic in her view of immigration, where as Paul Spoonley’s above comment is more reflective of the attitude that prevails in the Maori community.
    Professor Mutu however did illustrate a salient point in that more ethnic balance should be observed in deciding which immigrants can come here, in the past, and up and until 1984, New Zealand practised racial discrimination in immigration. There was an unofficial but well practised process of “white only”immigrants from the UK being given preference. Asian immigrants from China and India found it almost impossible to qualify for immigration status to New Zealand.
    Thankfully this has changed, and New Zealand has become slightly more liberal in that respect.

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  120. A single spark (46 comments) says:

    The main point, the overriding point is this.

    Do Margaret Mutu’s comments have some element of truth?

    Having come across lot of English and South African migrants, especially in the workplace I would say yes. I have found it is the English migrants who get most outraged about treaty issues, Maori issues —or maybe it is just a penchant they have to whinge about almost everything.?

    Many of the English migrants bemoan coloured immigration into Britain. Some even say they came here to get away from it (in fact the parents of a school friend of mine said exactly that). Bit like out of the fat and into the frying pan eh?

    The views of the likes of Peter Brown of NZ First are far from unique among white English migrants.

    As for South African migrants, just try and engage a few on political topics. The carefully cultivated non-racist veneer will come off pretty damn quickly.

    The ones who are here the least likely of South African whites to accept majority rule in South Africa. And they wax lyrical about the good ol days when everyone was so happy! (many have this ‘gone with the wind’ mentality —they believe blacks were obviously happy with their subordinate position in society – and if not should have been).

    The fact is this. Margaret Mutu has spoken the truth. Whether or not you agree with her proposed solution is another matter.

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  121. mikenmild (8,888 comments) says:

    You have a point, single spark, but Mutu’s comments deserve condemnation. Just because some immigrants bring racist attitudes is not a reason to racially discriminate against a whole lot more immigrants.

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  122. A single spark (46 comments) says:

    Just because some immigrants bring racist attitudes is not a reason to racially discriminate against a whole lot more immigrants.

    I would agree with you here.

    What about the work of Dr Clydesdale a couple of years ago who said Pacific people were a drag on the economy, were a burden, and then his paper of just last week (promoted here by Mr Farrar), which implies that non-white immigrants are a burden on Auckland’s economy?

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  123. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    Mutu on TV1 .. why the MSM give her a platform to download her rubbish

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  124. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    if white people didn’t come here .. well, she wouldn’t exist.
    gee she is humble
    she invited the British here .. good god.
    I am honoured to be her quest.she looks after her visitors

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  125. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    A single spark then the fire went out.

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  126. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    I watched her interview on Close Up.
    She is clearly several sausages short of a barbeque.

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  127. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Well, well well. Coming to sleepy little New Zealand with its complete lack of exposure to lynchings, bombings, sectarian and ethnic terror really qualifies home-grown armchair academics to spout hateful bile in the name of ‘freedom’ does it not? Is it possible that many immigrant come here, not to escape other races but to escape the kinds of hatred that Ms Mutu thinks is so chic, because they have seen the consequences of it first hand, and hate hatred of all kinds? Perhaps this is what threatens the likes of Ms Mutu, who clearly have lived such completely sheltered privileged and spoiled life that they feel they can preach race-hate like it’s big and clever. It’s not. It’s death, mutilation, bombing innocents all in the twisted rationale of some ‘higher good’.

    Slow hand clap.

    What of my white children, Ms Mutu? They are first generation immigrant – does that make them damaged goods?
    Ms Mutu I implore you in the name of all that is Christian to please explain to my children why you consider it acceptable to label me and mine on the basis of our skin colour. Honestly, I think you are bringing shame on your own loved ones and colleagues with your deluded bigotry.

    I heard you described tonight as ‘The Robert Mugabe of Maoridom’. is this true?

    I quit talking this kind of bullshit by the time I was thirty, because I grew up, but I claim to be an average kind of person. And seriously? You are the best that academia in New Zealand has to offer? I honestly wonder how you sleep at night. In most of the ‘racist’ nations you have glibly labelled, the contemporary standards of discourse are such that the door wouldn’t even hit your arse on your way out, for such glib, divisive and hateful nonsense.

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  128. adze (1,695 comments) says:

    Mikemild – you have a point about how much racist comments are tolerated here; personally I just tend to cringe and scroll down unless there is also a suggestion of hypocrisy. Having said that, you might also wonder why very few left-leaning blogs so far have mentioned Mutu’s comments at all – despite excoriating people like Paul Henry for less. People choose their battles perhaps?

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