Campaign 11 tonight on Sky News
October 30th, 2011 at 5:24 pm by David FarrarA reminder that “Campaign 11″ starts tonight at 8.30 pm on Sky News. It will also replay on Prime TV.
Barry Soper moderates a minor party leader’s debate with:
- ACT Leader Don Brash
- United Future Leader Peter Dunne
- Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia
- Mana Party Leader Hone Harawira
- Green co-leader Russel Norman
The panel asking questions is Chris Trotter, myself and television reporter Ngahuia Wade.
There will be four sections to the debate, focusing on:
- Economy
- Environment
- Maori
- Coalitions
The programme will run for an hour.
October 30th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
So, according to Sky News, you’re about as right wing as Chris Trotter is left wing. Hmm. Interesting. I would have thought that Chris was way further out into the fringes than you were. Then again, maybe it’s just people from the right and left they thought might ask sensible questions, in which case, probably good choices.
Vote:October 30th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
David.
Some parties are campaigning on raising the minimum wage from $13 to $15 an hour.
While this sounds great, none of those that are in favour of raising the minimum wage have talked about the flow on effects.
First there is the pressure on other wages. Those on $15 an hour now also want a raise, and when they get one, so do the ones on the next rate. This will mean a substantial increase of the wage bill for any business.
Secondly there is the inflationary effect. As the wage bill is rising, so will the cost of the products of the company, cancelling out the salary gains made by the employees.
Thirdly, the effect of a wage rise on exporting companies who have to compete with companies overseas.
Could you put this question to those in favour of a minimum wage rise?
Vote:October 30th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Why isn’t Phil Goff on here?
Vote:October 30th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Will this be available online at all?
Vote:October 30th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
possum is playing up his previous time in parliament
DPF just called him an “Ultimate swinger goes both ways”
Vote:October 30th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Just wasted an hour of my life watching the biggest load of rubbish. What a crap format. Here’s a cringeworthy quiz. What did we learn? Don Brash knows Tane Mahuta . Dunne and National are joined at the hip.
Tariana wants a coalition with whoever(sic) isthe government.
Hone is just another Harawira. All stir and shit and no progress for his constituents.
Norman doesn’t know Maori and will cuddle up to Labour.
Barry Soper is eloquent…………
Vote:October 30th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
What did we learn?
What did you expect to learn, Fisiani?
The unfortunate thing was, none of us learned anything we didn’t already know.
The politicians as is usual, answered the question they wish to rather than that which was asked, and the usual prejudices were played out.
I did however think Tariana was extremely tolerant of the fact she was pretty much ignored almost the entire time, and I didn’t know she was tolerant like that. Were it Hone one imagine’s he’d have been climbing in, like he did more than once with Brash, when Gentleman Don tried to explain. Someone should teach Hone some manners regarding his respect for elders of all races, lest we think he has had a lousy upbringing by some viper of a mother or something. So I guess I did learn something and well done Tariana. 10/10
And DPF, for your first sustained TV appearance. A Class. Well done.
Vote:October 30th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
The format didn’t seem as good. I think the problem was having three questioners plus Soper, they dominated and kept getting in for their turn, stifling the chances for inter-leader debate developing.
The balance with those particular parties gives Dunne a wide middle to cover, with Act beyond National, Maori catering for some of a fixed constiuency and the other two to the left of Labour that leaves a huge middle with only United Future. That’s a advantage or disadvantage however you wish to see it, but it does accentuate Dunne’s moderateness.
Vote:October 30th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
…stifling the chances for inter-leader debate developing.
Which is precisely why Pete the Romans almost had it right, except instead of slaves fighting to the death, it should have been politicians. If only Rome had done that, it would still be around today.
Whereas look at it.
Therefore, learn from history, and design a decent combat arena and get Don, Peter, Hone, Tariana, Wussell and all the rest of them, kitted out in full, with tridents, nets, shields and everything. Even lions where necessary.
Then let the election, begin.
I know it’s radical, but would it give us a worse outcome than what we’re already looking at, if we just drop bits of paper into a box?
Vote:October 30th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Ngahuia Wade:
That really pisses me off. Water falls from the sky, dropped from clouds filled with water evaporated from who knows where.
No-one was prepared to say, “No, Maori do not own the water”. Not even you DPF…
Vote:October 30th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
On the maori language quiz, it would have been nice if the sky people knew how to spell ‘pronunciation’ and dpf learnt how to pronounce it….
Vote:October 31st, 2011 at 12:09 am
But rouppe, Maori own the sky and hence also radio spectrum that uses the sky – well that’s what they like to think!
Vote:October 31st, 2011 at 12:26 am
3. Maori. Why? Is that a topic? And if it truely is, why should we give a shit. Here’s a test:
3. Non-Maori. Would that be a topic? No, didn’t think so.
Before the usual suspects turn up to shit me up by calling me a R.A.C.I.S.T (sorry to be a bit philu with that, I’ve been exposed to too many Occupy Whatever placards, all 2 of them in Wellington), just have a wee think first.
Vote:October 31st, 2011 at 6:40 am
In a debate moderated by Barry Soper, there could only be one possible winner. Barry Soper.
Vote:October 31st, 2011 at 7:31 am
A good programme. No mustache, no telly Tubby Holmes or Espinder. Not a format designed AND manipulated by Watkin! Questions that tested knowledge rather than provide an oppoirtunity for BS were welcome. Format more in line with Fox . Is that a surprise for Sky? Good stuff!
Vote:October 31st, 2011 at 8:42 am
the first few minutes were a bit of a hoot when the camera angle made it look like soper had his false teeth sitting in the glass in front of him. after that it was no more than some sort of asinine and cringe-making purile quiz show…
Vote:October 31st, 2011 at 8:57 am
Only Don Brash knew the Maori question, out of the “pakeha” candidates. Russel Norman couldn’t even pronounce the word and Peter Dunne had no idea.
So who’s the racist?
Dunne also hogged the debate, as he is want to do. He’s very important. Just ask him.
Vote:October 31st, 2011 at 9:41 am
A dumbed-down format as we expect from TVNZ these days, which was condescending to the leaders and viewers, and trivialised the issues. Reminded me of the quiz on Air NZ domestic flights, but targeted to a lower IQ. God save public television.
As for the “leaders”, would you employ any of them? Maybe Tariana who, were it not for an unfortunate fit of coughing at the outset, came across as reasonably thoughtful and credible.
Vote:October 31st, 2011 at 9:47 am
nick – dunne only like to work hard every 3 years. this is his time. got to make sure he comes across as “mr sensible” . more importantly, he needs to ensure his income doesnt change, no matter who wins the election.
it does amaze me that we have two parties in this country that are based on race. no one seems to care. how is this acceptable?
Vote:October 31st, 2011 at 10:13 am
I thought the format was good and I will forecast that SOPER and the panel will prove a dam sight better than the bloody walrus will tonight.
Like ROUPPE I was a bit dumbfounded at the universal acceptance that Maori own the water and the explanation by NORMAN that once ownership was settled the resource could be charged out and traded.
Vote:October 31st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
M’baiter disapproves, calles DPF “sappy little progressive liberal”
http://truebluenz.com/2011/10/30/soper-farrar-and-trotter-where-is-the-right-wing/
It would be awesome if Redbaiter were included on the panel. I conservatively estimate a 10% swing towards Labour if he were there.
Vote:November 1st, 2011 at 8:08 am
i really recommend that readers follow that link provided by rrm..
..it is a real hoot…!
..and make sure you check the comments-thread..
..there is a particularly whiney-yet-self-satisfied gem from a ‘zen tiger’…
..the blend of the two is a joy to behold..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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