Delahunty threatens to quit if Greens becomes Ministers with National

October 10th, 2011 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

Adam Bennett at the NZ Herald reports:

Green Party MP has said she will resign if her party entered a coalition deal with the National Party – a call that undermines the credibility of the Green Party’s bid for more mainstream political appeal by leaving open the possibility of such a deal.

Ms Delahunty did not return calls, but Otago University politics lecturer Bryce Edwards confirmed she made the comment when responding to his questions during an interview on Friday.

“I clearly asked her: ‘If there was a Green Party MP that was a minister in a National-led Government, would you resign from parliament?’ She said, ‘Yes I would’.”

This undermines the positioning considerably.

As I have said many times, let there be no doubt – if the Greens hold the balance of power they will always choose a Labour-led Government over a National-led Government. A vote for the Greens is a vote for Phil Goff to be Prime Minister.

But what Delahunty is saying goes beyond that. There could well be a scenario where National is the only viable Government, such as if National has over 61 seats. Both National and the Greens have not ruled out that in such a situation, they could possibly do a deal which sees the Greens taking up a portfolio or two. It could perhaps involve the Greens abstaining on supply and confidence.

However this is now effectively off the table, as Delahunty has said she would resign as an MP if this happens. I suspect her statement has pissed off her colleagues because what she has done is impose her unilateral view on the rest of the party – the exact opposite of things are meant to work in the Greens.

Of course you could argue they could just let her resign, but no party lightly does something which they know will lead to an MP resigning.

The chance of there being Green ministers in a National-led Government was always low, but Delahunty has now made it effectively zero, meaning her colleagues will have to wait until Labour gains office, which may be some elections away. Delahunty has also gone against the majority of Green voters, as a recent poll showed 60% of Green voters said the Greens should accept Ministerial positions in a National-led Government if John Key offered them.

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54 Responses to “Delahunty threatens to quit if Greens becomes Ministers with National”

  1. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    WIN FREAKEN WIN.

    Pass the popcorn.

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  2. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Can we have that in writing please Catherine? Give ol’ Rus the Environment Ministry. Couldn’t be more appropriate.

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  3. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    The Luddite MP is mad, bonkers, loco, crazy demented and deranged all at once.

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  4. annie (539 comments) says:

    One person can’t be permitted to hold her entire party hostage to her beliefs/prejudices.

    Voting against a proposal to go into coalition with National would be one thing, threatening to take her toys and go home is another entirely. The only rational respose from her party would be to invite her to follow through on her threat.

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  5. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    You can enjoy the whole interview from Vote Chat on Youtube.

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  6. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Fan-bloody-tastic.

    Oh Catherine, please don’t let the door smack your arse on the way out…… :D

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  7. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    I’m sure mana can find space fro someone of her calbire Annie.

    Not seats in parliament, but room in the padded cell with the rest of them at least.

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  8. Courage Wolf (557 comments) says:

    Why would I not be surprised if that socialist idiot John Key were to offer the Greens a Ministerial position?

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  9. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    her position shows why MMP must go. To allow a nutter to be a MP in a party is a mistake. The main parties get them but they usually get set free. Maybe this is how the Greens can get rid of her??
    To think my taxes pay her salary

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  10. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Delahunty has also gone against the majority of Green voters, as a recent poll showed 60% of Green voters said the Greens should accept Ministerial positions in a National-led Government if John Key offered them.

    I find it interesting that you think that 40% of Green voters should not have their views represented via the Green Party list. Catherine Delahunty is one person on the Green list; it appears she represents the views of a pretty substantial proportion of Green supporters. They even pushed her up the list at their most recent ranking. Seems entirely proper that she would speak out for her positions given they are so well represented among Green support.

    Also, I note that Tau Henare’s opposition to going with National didn’t stop New Zealand First going into coalition with them, so why would Ms Delahunty’s?

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  11. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Why would I not be surprised if that socialist idiot John Key were to offer the Greens a Ministerial position?

    That could be a smart move, it would force Greens into showing their actual hand rather than them clapping at their own cleverness behind their backs.

    Graeme, if Greens went into coalition with National and Delahunty resigned how would the 40% be represented?

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  12. DJP6-25 (1,386 comments) says:

    So, there is a speed bump on the way to the Greens assuming second party status. Speed bumps can be smoothed out if you want to improve the quality of the road.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  13. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    in fact, this is a chance for Wussell to show some balls and announce that Silent C has been counselled and is on notice

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  14. DavidC (179 comments) says:

    Pete George.
    Agreed.
    Gweens should either take some power and do some real work or piss off out of the game.
    Possible the Watermelon faction would split off from the Greens and both would vanish tho. :-)

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  15. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    It does seem like a very arrogant and petulant stance. She is essentially saying that unless the party does what she says she will throw all her toys out of the cot.

    Very infantile.

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  16. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    The greens ARE the watermellon faction David.

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  17. Courage Wolf (557 comments) says:

    Pete George (11,454) Says:
    October 10th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    That could be a smart move, it would force Greens into showing their actual hand rather than them clapping at their own cleverness behind their backs.

    I don’t know about you but I’m not particularly interested in having another Left-wing government like we’ve had for the past three years with a ‘popular’ and ‘can work across all parties and reach compromises’ Prime Minister.

    I want a PM who has the balls to allow someone like Douglas or Richardson to take control of the Finance portfolio and save the economy, not another three years of dumb fuck English.

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  18. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    I think this strengthens the possibility of a National-Greens government myself. Delahunty’s clearly scared of this prospect so has decided to war it in the media-only it’s going to be a war I think she’ll lose. The Greens didn’t care that Bradford walked over party direction, and I don’t see why they’d care if Bradford 2 walked too.

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  19. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Delahunty speaks some more:

    Green MP disturbed by National polls

    Delahunty suggested the 3 News poll results were the result of “media manipulation”.

    “I don’t think you can ever under-estimate the way in which the media has manipulated people in this country. I don’t think that represents the Green vote. I think that represents people who got asked a particular question,” she said.

    She’s at odds with the media conspiracy.
    >blockquote>
    Co-leader Russel Norman has indicated a fresh MoU is the most likely type of agreement with National after the election, but has not ruled out seeking a ministerial post.

    Delahunty indicated her objections were over an agreement that extended to ministerial posts but not over an MoU.

    And at odds with one of her leaders?

    Isn’t it semantics anyway, why would working with an MoU be acceptable when a ministerial position would not?

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  20. awb (304 comments) says:

    I doubt the Greens would want ministerial roles in a National government though, it hasn’t gone particularly well for Sharples and Turia, and they can get stuff done from outside government. Doesn’t make any sense to have a civil war over it like has happened to ACT or the Maori Party.

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  21. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    I want a PM who has the balls to allow someone like Douglas or Richardson to take control of the Finance portfolio and save the economy, not another three years of dumb fuck English.

    That makes perfect sense! CW, did you have a brain transplant?

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  22. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    I don’t think you can ever under-estimate the way in which the media has manipulated people in this country.

    I’m no great fan of the MSM, but this kind of conspiracy theory nuttery concerning the polls is just plain stupid.

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  23. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    Oh crap, clicked on that link to read the story and saw her picture! I know its bad form to have a go at the way someone looks, but puhleeeease! What is with female environmentalists???

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  24. Courage Wolf (557 comments) says:

    Manolo (4,990) Says:
    October 10th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    “I want a PM who has the balls to allow someone like Douglas or Richardson to take control of the Finance portfolio and save the economy, not another three years of dumb fuck English.”

    That makes perfect sense! CW, did you have a brain transplant?

    How the fuck did that not make any sense? You’re the one who has had a brain transplant.

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  25. RRM (9,915 comments) says:

    Lee01 (1,299) Says:
    October 10th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Oh crap, clicked on that link to read the story and saw her picture! I know its bad form to have a go at the way someone looks, but puhleeeease! What is with female environmentalists???

    Quality post. :-/

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  26. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    Quality post. :-/

    Not really. It was pretty low, but still, there does seem to be something of a pattern with hardcore left wing female environmentalists and the more hardcore left wing feminists.

    It explains a good deal of their political ideology, especially the hatred for Patriarchy.

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  27. UpandComer (536 comments) says:

    Lee01 I took some kids to see a Hansel and Gretel play at Capital E, and I didn’t know the Delahunty had one of the starring roles.

    That’s pretty low brow bad form and I apologise. But it’s true.

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  28. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Lee01

    It isn’t petulant or infantile if she is hard-core in her beliefs, whatever you think of her. In fact, the threat is yet another pointer to what she is really all about which is not, as a priority, being “green”.

    Would her departure really likely to damage the melons?

    Hard to see that her departure would damage the core “green” support. But it might constitute a rallying call to arms for the core pinko element who feel they have voting alternatives elsewhere, such with Mana and the green gargoyle (if they survive), or in the case of Labour defectors who have abandoned the fuckwit Goff, back with Labour until the next chump makes an arse of HIMself.

    But the melons must have considered this. As a long term game, their only path to being the major opposition party is to shed the loonies and hard core pinkos. Can’t imagine that they cleaned house just to be held to ransom by the singing sackcloth.

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  29. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    @ thedavinvcimode

    It isn’t petulant or infantile if she is hard-core in her beliefs

    Perhaps. But it seems to me that being part of a political party means some level of loyalty. Not absolute loyalty, but more than she seems to be showing. She could have dealt with her concerns with other party members behind closed doors rather than announcing that she will quit if they don’t do what she wants, and doing so in a public forum.

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  30. Bogusnews (473 comments) says:

    It’s actually quite good as it confirms that people who say National is “labour Lite” are wrong. Clearly the Greens see fundamental differences between them.

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  31. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Graeme, if Greens went into coalition with National and Delahunty resigned how would the 40% be represented?

    By having someone stand up for the principles that they wanted them to hold.

    How will the 40% be represented if the Greens are in coalition with National? They’d have been betrayed. Why is it that people are so opposed to election candidates stating their principles publicly in advance of an election? I’ve every confidence that Ms Delahunty made her views on the National Party known to Green members before they placed her so highly on the list.

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  32. projectman (224 comments) says:

    “However this is now effectively off the table, as Delahunty has said she would resign as an MP if this happens.”

    Why? If she got in, it would be as a list MP. Surely she could easily be replaced by the next on the list.

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  33. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Saw photo of Delahunty on Stuff, vomited a lot. What is wrong with her upper lip?

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  34. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    storm, meet teacup

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  35. DavidC (179 comments) says:

    If the Greens were in Govt with Nats they would not be allowed to steal all my money thru vast taxe increases so would never be able to pay for their idiot ideas anyways.

    I think my dear ole Mum is a Green, its a bit of a worry!

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  36. Longknives (4,737 comments) says:

    Immigant- I thought that was a picture of Marc Leivremont??

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  37. immigant (950 comments) says:

    http://img.skysports.com/11/10/218×298/Marc-Li-vremont_2660564.jpg

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  38. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    Surely this is all part of some cunning plot to make the Right want a Nats-Green government? I find myself suddenly very enthusiastic for the prospect.

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  39. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Say it immigant – ” That womans got a moustache”.

    And we wont make you apologise

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  40. ben (2,379 comments) says:

    Here’s Catherine

    http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1318208160/559/5761559.jpg

    My god, that is terrifying.

    If Delahunty doesn’t jump I may have to push.

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  41. Steve (4,559 comments) says:

    So Catherine Delahunty doesn’t want to be Minister for Mars anymore?

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  42. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Catherine Delahunty isn’t crazy. She just lives outside what most people would call society.

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  43. reid (16,440 comments) says:

    “We are experiencing a very weird time in this country where I don’t think people love the National Government, but for some reason they love [Prime Minister] John [Key]. So, you know, explain that to me. Explain either of those things to me. I don’t understand that poll at all.”

    This is a very revealing part of Delahunty’s interview. She is basically revealing that the harder left one is, the less one understands what National actually does stand for, as opposed to the fantasy they have made up in their own heads as to what it stands for.

    As we all know, hard lefties have this peculiar hallucination that all or most conservatives think of nothing but how to cheat, lie, steal and preferably commit violence against the poor and the vulnerable and get away scot-free with all of it. You listen to them and this is what they really think, on the inside. You look at their body language, you look at their whole pattern of thinking. Clearly the fact that this is not Russia in 1919 isn’t relevant, to your hard lefty.

    This is why she can’t understand how people could EVER love National. This is why Chauvel can’t understand the reason people hate Liarbore’s guts is NOT because it’s a media conspiracy against them.

    Hard lefties cannot, simply do not, believe that it’s possible to be both a very ethical right-minded and good generous person AND be a conservative at the same time. The idiots clearly think the only possible humane alternative is theirs, and they have a monopoly on it. It’s just a matter of educating people which is quite complicated which is why they aren’t always in power.

    As I said, a revealing comment from the hard left.

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  44. EverlastingFire (286 comments) says:

    Ben – How bout some warning next time. I almost threw up. Seriously, shave the fuckin mustache Delahunty.

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  45. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    reid: absolutly true. I even had a lefty tell me that on twitter. The right have a much more true view of the left than the left do of the right.

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  46. dion (95 comments) says:

    Lets face it Mad Delahunty won’t be much of a loss. Given his reaction, I’d say in his heart of hearts Russell Norman knows this.

    Actually, this reminds me: http://www.youtube.com/user/voteforchangenz#p/a/u/2/7uxs4K439fQ

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  47. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    “Catherine Delahunty isn’t crazy. She just lives outside what most people would call society.”

    Yet she is happy to take a salary (and rip off the tax payer via the housing rort) from “society”

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  48. awb (304 comments) says:

    I suppose the focus on her moustache is typical of this sort of forum, just look at appearances, rather than policies. That must be why John Key is so popular here.

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  49. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    awb

    Thank fuck you’ve arrived, I’ve never actually had a conscience before.

    You as my conscience and Lucia praying for me, I ‘m on a roll .Ta

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  50. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    “October 10th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
    I suppose the focus on her moustache is typical of this sort of forum, just look at appearances, rather than policies.”

    Can you blame us?, the insane female (I have to take Toads word for it) has not advanced one decent policy in three years.

    What else can we talk about?

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  51. reid (16,440 comments) says:

    What else can we talk about?

    Are the Greens ever going to go into coalition anyway?

    The Greens’ statement says support for a National-led government is a “highly unlikely” prospect, and co-leader Metiria Turei said at the time that it would take an extreme shift in National’s economic, environmental and social policies before it happened.

    Nevertheless, it was widely seen as a bid to portray the party as a constructive rather than extremist political entity.

    It’d be great if someone secretly films the party meeting where they discuss the final offer: cabinet posts: yes or no; and put it on U-Tube.

    Imagine:

    Wussell: I damn well honestly think we bloody well should do it otherwise how else can we ever ever make any diffewence at all. The people clearly hate Liarbore’s guts. Their caucus is smaller than ours! I know some people are concerned that yes, I will become a Minister and therefore part of “them” but look, what’s the alternative: nose pressed up against the glass like has always happened to us time after time after time after time. And we know all we want to do is help. See, I’ll be like a secret agent on the inside. Yes I know I’ll be getting over $200k, a big office, free cars and lots of travel, but this helps me to spread the message, you see.

    Meteria: Look I agree. This can’t go on. Sidelined, ineffective, when the whole world is burning for our policies and not just those but mostly the world is burning for ourselves. We – the party – must thrust ourselves upon the public with our policy agenda which is all know is unbeatable bar none triple-A recipe for success once the public really learn the actual details without all that media bias that prevents people from seeing the complete wonder of our own selves and ideas.

    In the audience, a guitarist sitting cross-legged on the floor quietly begins strumming America’s “You need me,” and so it begins…

    What probably won’t be included on the U-Tube version however is all the unfortunate weeping, wailing, vomiting and just plain complete and utter distress which took place during the preceding week as the caucus and the party came to terms with the whole thing and during which fresh batches of WINZ counsellors were trucked in daily on a rotating basis since they themselves could stand only a very brief time amidst the mayhem before succumbing, which didn’t really help things very much, at all.

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  52. reid (16,440 comments) says:

    My question is: on a scale on 1 to ten where ten is, it will happen and 1 is, it could not happen since the Greens aren’t like that, at all:

    How likely is it that something approximating my 9:06 will actually happen, if the Greens and the Nats do get serious, after the election?

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  53. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    i can see why she would threaten to leave. whats she got to lose?

    the private sector will snap her up and she will no doubt earn more money.

    class act.

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  54. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    awb:

    I suppose the focus on her moustache is typical of this sort of forum, just look at appearances, rather than policies. That must be why John Key is so popular here.

    http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=“fat+gerry”+site%3A.greens.org.nz

    Attacking appearance is pretty low brow, it’s true. But don’t fall into the trap of thinking that it’s only done by the other team.

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