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thedavincimode

c’mon Big Magpie, collector of the shiny bits, last blogger at the end of the couch.

Answer the question. Are you still hiding behind the boy’s short trousers?

And why are you back. Lonely? 🙂
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October 22, 2011 2:30pm
thedavincimode

Correct noskire.

There is no point in the demented magpie. Absolutely no point.
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October 22, 2011 2:31pm
Johnboy

Thanks for posting my Ode to a Magpie Leonardo.

I’d quite forgotten it. One of my finest little ditty’s. 🙂

Alzheimer’s is really shit!
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October 22, 2011 2:34pm
philu

consider me a manifestation of the ‘occupy-surprise’…

..eh..?

..and aren’t they articulating so many of the things i have argued over the years..eh..?

..yr neo-lib world of exploitation is about to be dismantled..

..i hope you enjoy the ride..

..and we will win..eh..?’

..’cos we are the 99%…

..the numbers will dictate our victories..

..the neo-lib ride’s over..boys and girls…

..as mao predicted..unfettered global capitalism will eventually eat itself..

..which is what we are seeing now..in europe/america..

..haven’t you noticed..?

..been too busy gloating…?

..over yr inevitable election-victory..?

..heh..!

..dream on..!..eh..?

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 22, 2011 2:38pm
Johnboy

Have you still got your gun that you used to pick up your drugs back at the Pharmacy then Magpie?

You sure will need it to deal with all us conservatives! 🙂

[DPF: Okay that is enough of the flame war]
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October 22, 2011 2:44pm
thedavincimode

that 99% maggie …

.. is this it …???

… the revolution … eh?//.. so what’s the plan …??

.. when the 99% are all sitting around …

.. scratching their arses ..

.. smokin’ shit ..

.. and talking shit ..??

.. eh?

..who pays the bludge money ??

.. to the 99% ..ie

.. the bludging lazy little shits like you ..

.. eh ..??

.. meh
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October 22, 2011 2:51pm
Johnboy

Thanks David.

I can’t afford another 20 points! 🙂
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October 22, 2011 2:59pm
Johnboy

I’ve actually been feeding a magpie on my lawn for the last few weeks.

Should get the .22 back from the gunsmith next week! 🙂
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October 22, 2011 3:02pm
nickb

Just had a walk past and sit down outside “Occupy Wall Street) in Aotea Square.

Never in my life have I ever seen a bigger ragtag bunch of losers, smelly hippies and general misfits.

All I can say is that they all must have very understanding employers and lots of annual leave saved up to be able to stay there for weeks/months!

NAAAAAAAAAAT!
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October 22, 2011 3:13pm
Mick Mac

I hope WINZ is down there interviewing all of them and those who receive our contributions for their rent, food, wellbeing, but aren’t out looking for work every day get their benefit stopped.
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October 22, 2011 3:17pm
Johnboy

Trevs cracked it:

http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/10/22/support-labour-pay-a-dinner-with-nothing-to-eat/

Next it will be Labour. Buy a Government with nothing to sell. 🙂

You couldn’t get a campaign strategist worse than Trev if you bribed the tosser!!!! 🙂
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October 22, 2011 3:18pm
Longknives

Nickb- Be careful where you sit mate! Most of these smelly dropkicks are so socially and hygienically inept that they are urinating all over Aotea Square…God help us (Sorry MNIJ) if the so-called 99% can’t even wash themselves or make it to the toilet!!
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October 22, 2011 3:19pm
Mick Mac

Longknives (503) Says:
October 22nd, 2011 at 11:56 am

Tana Umaga and his helper should have both walked for that spear tackle.
shows how corrupt NZ reffing is.
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October 22, 2011 3:27pm
philu

i can understand why so many of you are so confused/angry..

..yr certainties are being shaken to the core…

(readers of the link i provided will also have the awareness of how widespread the support for change is..

..a gallup poll shows over 50% of americans supporting ‘occupy’…

..and over 80% of new yorkers…

..whoar..!..eh..?

..and what you are looking on at with dread/fear..

..i am looking at with expectation/excitement…

..cos like i said..we will win..’cos we are the 99%…

i mean..aren’t yr old neo-lib mantras/slogans sounding tired..even to you..?

..if you sit back and look at the growing inequalities/inequities/underclass/child-poverty/slave-wages…

..(which has now seeped up to the middle-class..)

..did you really never think there wd ever be a reckoning of sorts…?

..that the exploited wd never turn on you..?

..well..that day is here..

..eh..?

..strap yrslves in..

..it’s gonna probably be a bit of a rough ride..eh..?

..and it will start with you getting tossed out of office..

..in just a few short weeks…

..but that won’t be the end..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 22, 2011 3:33pm
expat

Oh do fuck off Phil.
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October 22, 2011 3:36pm
philu

apologies..that was marx who predicted capitalism/unfettered-greed will eat itself..not mao…

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 22, 2011 3:39pm
thedavincimode

You silly magpie.

What on earth would you know about wages.

And I come back to my point: who is going to pay you to sit on your couch scratching your arse and masterbating?
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October 22, 2011 3:42pm
Elaycee

@longknives – I hear they’re are also using a stairwell in the carpark building next door, as a urinal.

The whole place stinks.

Charming.
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October 22, 2011 3:45pm
nickb

..a gallup poll shows over 50% of americans supporting ‘occupy’…

..and over 80% of new yorkers…

Yes phil but the US occupy movement has some libertarian/small government underpinning behind it.

The NZ occupy movement is made up of a fringe bunch of loony leftists, Maori separatists, legalise cannabis supporters and general wastrels. As a movement against corporate greed they have no credibility – having their lifestyles paid for by such corporations.
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October 22, 2011 3:46pm
expat

Oh do fuck off Phil…
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October 22, 2011 3:50pm
philu

i can feel/hear yr pain there..da vinci…

..there is going to be a reversal of the wealth-shifting to the elites that has gone on over the last decades..

..that is all going to be reversed..and more…

..does that help as a guidepost..?

..a reversal/undoing of regressive taxes..

..and a ramping up of progressive taxes..

..you can count on both those..eh..?

…it is all a matter of rearranging priorities…eh..?

..and it must include the dismantling the advantages the 1% ers have constructed/engineered for themselves…

..during these recent decades of dark-days..(for most of the rest of us..)

..does all that help give you some idea..?..there…mode..?

..i mean..surely you must realise that a country where 1% hold 16% of the nations’ wealth..

..is not sustainable..

…that all needs to be seriously re-jigged..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 22, 2011 3:51pm
noskire

Hey philu

That night you were abducted by aliens and they inserted a rectal probe, did they remember to take it out again or is it still buzzing around in there?
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October 22, 2011 3:53pm
reid

i mean..aren’t yr old neo-lib mantras/slogans sounding tired..even to you..?

I thought it was interesting on the Kim Hill interview that she started talking about “neo-liberal” policies and Friedman said he didn’t use that word and didn’t know what it meant but yet, Kim didn’t take that on board and kept asking him about it, as if he had any idea what she meant by it.

Good ole lefties and their lying labels, eh.

What does “neo-liberalism” mean phil? Is it like “pwogwessive” in that you make it up as you go along based on some mystewious cwitewia only the lefties know about? You lefties seem to use it, a lot. How about letting the rest of us in on the secwet? Or would that just blow your whole propaganda campaign on how vewy vewy evil “neo-liberalism” is, right out of the water?

Aren’t lefties disgusting phil. Fancy making up your own label then painting other people with it, no matter whether or not that painting or tainting, was true in fact or not? Aren’t people who do that just complete and utter scum.
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October 22, 2011 3:58pm
thedavincimode

No pain at all my little feathered fuckwit.

But you still haven’t addressed my question, which is when you are all gathered around the campfire sunging “kumbya”, you’re going to eventually realise that all the wildebeest hunters have fucked off somewhere else and the isn’t any grub on the table.

The other point that you’re ignoring is the fact that all your smelly friends don’t like you either; less so when they discover that you are in fact full of piss and wind and you have absolutely no intention of doing anything to support yourself. You’ll only get away with doing posters and fingerpainting for so long before they twig to the fact that you are just a lazy little shit who bludges off others.
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October 22, 2011 3:59pm
philu

whew..!..some serious rightwing intellectual-firepower here today…

..eh..?

.i am quite daunted by the logic/arguing-skills being displayed..

shall we call them da noskie..?…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 22, 2011 4:00pm
Lucia Maria

Scott Chris,

I didn’t get a chance last night, so I just want to say that I’m sorry about your dog. It’s hard when a beloved pet dies.
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October 22, 2011 4:00pm
thedavincimode

noskire

That’s his vibrator. Its the only thing that can bring him around in the morning
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October 22, 2011 4:01pm
expat

@dpf, I know philu causes a bit of traffic here but he is a fucking twat and I’d love to not see him here, ever.
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October 22, 2011 4:04pm
philu

yes reid..i also thought it interesting/telling how even friedman is now running from the rand-ite label so loved/celebrated by yr lot for so long.. ..

..oh..!..how about dong brash…?..just for starters..?

.and as practised/followed/believed by the most recent national and labour govts..

..what are you calling it now…?

..if not neo-lib..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 22, 2011 4:07pm
Courage Wolf

reid (8,721) Says:
I think personally Epsom people like to have a bit of fun with people like the pollsters and Walrus by deliberately saying any old thing when the pollsters ring up, then deliberately do the exact opposite come election day.

It’s quite funny really. One of the best things is, it really distracts all the lefty commentators and politicians, who get all lathered up over nothing at all, allowing we conservatives to busily insert our most devious policies into the fine print, which slips by quite under the radar, as a direct consequence of our Epsom friends.

Jolly good show, isn’t it.

Bullshit. I don’t know a single person who does that. And why would someone who wants ACT to get in deliberately pretend they’re going to vote National at the risk of causing damaging publicity regarding polls.

The truth is a lot of former ACT supporters think John Banks is a piece of shit compared to Hide.
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October 22, 2011 4:12pm
noskire

philu, I think you’d probably find tying a shoelace quite daunting – not to mention the fact that it is probably a product of the evil neo-liberal machine. Even more reason for you to go barefoot – just don’t stub your big toe as it exits your mouth.
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October 22, 2011 4:13pm
philu

“..Fancy making up your own label then painting other people with it, no matter whether or not that painting or tainting, was true in fact or not? Aren’t people who do that just complete and utter scum…”

are you talking about yr riffing on ‘evil feminists’..and ‘gays who want to marry’…?..and ‘ram things down yr throat’..?

..are they potent examples of what you speak..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 22, 2011 4:16pm
reid

Bullshit. I don’t know a single person who does that.

Really? How many people do you know in Epsom, CW?

I know heaps, I used to live there. We used to giggle about it, all the time, at the club and on the golf course.

Perhaps you don’t get out quite as much as I do.
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October 22, 2011 4:22pm
Courage Wolf

reid (8,722) Says:
I know heaps, I used to live there. We used to giggle about it, all the time, at the club and on the golf course.

Well maybe you immature little dickheads should stop doing that so that the rest of the country doesn’t think that a vote for ACT will be a wasted vote.
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October 22, 2011 4:28pm
reid

are you talking about yr riffing on ‘evil feminists’..and ‘gays who want to marry’

No phil, the label is: “poisonous feminists.” Repeat after me: “poisonous feminists,” “poisonous feminists,” “poisonous feminists…” et al.

This is only way to make the label stick phil.

The difference between your stupid, pathetic, ineffective lefty “neo-liberal” label and mine is, mine is true and has lots of FACTS and evidence behind it as enumerated yesterday, whereas yours is just made up and has nothing like that, at all.

So no phil, I wasn’t talking about either “evil feminists” nor “gays who want to marry” for gays can marry – it’s called a civil union, and it’s exactly the same as our marriage, except they just can’t use the same label. And what’s wrong with that?

None of the poisonous feminists or millions of braying useful idiots took on that question yesterday, why don’t you give it a go and see what happens when you do?
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October 22, 2011 4:29pm
nasska

Courage Wolf

…”The truth is a lot of former ACT supporters think John Banks is a piece of shit compared to Hide.”…..

Spot on, & the turn off doesn’t stop at the borders of the Epsom electorate. Banks is a total turn off for voters domiciled from North Cape to Bluff & his toxic personality is going to tank the vital party vote.

In this instance politics mirrors the real world….no one loves a smart arse loser.
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October 22, 2011 4:36pm
reid

Well maybe you immature little dickheads should stop doing that so that the rest of the country doesn’t think that a vote for ACT will be a wasted vote.

CW Epsom Voters don’t give a fuck what the rest of the country thinks. They will vote in Banks if they judge Key needs a backbone. Based on performance to date, this is a given.

What about that, don’t you understand?
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October 22, 2011 4:37pm
philu

“..and it’s exactly the same as our marriage, except they just can’t use the same label…”

‘cos you say so..?…really..?

and who made you label-meister…?

..how about if we call them married..

..and you civil-unionists..?

..would that degree of separation relax you..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 22, 2011 4:42pm
Pauleastbay

Phil, waterbint and MNIJ —- another day on GD when majors problems are solved and initiatives developed.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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October 22, 2011 4:44pm
Courage Wolf

reid (8,724) Says:
CW Epsom Voters don’t give a fuck what the rest of the country thinks. They will vote in Banks if they judge Key needs a backbone. Based on performance to date, this is a given.

What about that, don’t you understand?

And if they want Key to have a backbone, what about “polling showing that Banks won’t win makes people who may potentially vote ACT think that their vote would be wasted” don’t you and your giggly-ass friends understand? Add on top of that the fact that it will likely result in ACT only getting two MPs into Parliament like in 2005 due to that perception as opposed to the five in 2008 when it was guaranteed that Hide would get in.
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October 22, 2011 4:46pm
nasska

…”They will vote in Banks if they judge Key needs a backbone. Based on performance to date, this is a given.”….

Based on polls to date they seem to think that Key’s backbone is A1 & likely to last another three years without some smarmy failed mayor stirring air in parliament.
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October 22, 2011 4:46pm
Courage Wolf

nasska (1,939) Says:

Based on polls to date they seem to think that Key’s backbone is A1 & likely to last another three years without some smarmy failed mayor stirring air in parliament.

Based on polls showing a strong National partyvote and fuck all ACT partyvote and street interviews on Campbell Live and Banks’ own pussy way of campaigning (“give your party vote to National, but give your electorate vote to me so I can kiss National’s ass to appease you”), the conservative old Epsom golf players are obviously happy with Key’s soft-cock approach and only vote for an ACT candidate out of spite because it benefits the continuity of a National-led government.
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October 22, 2011 4:53pm
reid

Based on polls…

nasska, see my 10:24 re those, in Epsom.
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October 22, 2011 4:56pm
Johnboy

We probably need the wise counsel of Lord Birkenhead, and other lawyers that can spell, to get us back on track PEB! 🙂
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October 22, 2011 4:57pm
Viking2

A 10 year high in expulsion rates is concerning the Western Bay of Plenty Regional PPTA chairman.

But of course no mention at all of the lack of youth rates and the corresponding disincentives to young people.

Jason Smythe the social statistics of young people are of concern to our country.

Western Bay of Plenty PPTA chairman Jason Smythe says more needs to be done to help youths.

“In fact, one of the first tasks the prime minister assigned to his chief science advisor, Sir Peter Gluckman, was a report exploring the factors underlying adolescent behaviour and indicating where there may be evidence-based opportunities for changes to policy and practices that might help to mitigate its negative outcomes.

“The resulting report was entitled Improving the Transition: Reducing Social and Psychological Morbidity During Adolescence.”

He says there is a link with the 10 year high in expulsion rates and the Gluckman report.

“The report lists the poor outcomes for young people as teenage pregnancy, abortion, binge drinking, bullying, teenage crime, suicide and mental health problems.

And more@http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/17706-concerns-raised-over-expulsion-rates.html
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October 22, 2011 4:57pm
Viking2

And unfortunately that nut case from Nelson has descended upon our fine shores to poke his unwanted oar into our local problems. The ever in a hurry erstwhile all knowing Minister of things oil, Green and how to tax Nick Smith is out on the briny telling the salvors to pull finger and hurry along. Apparently they ain’t taking enough risks for his liking.
The salvors should transfer him to the ship in the same manner as they come and go.

Like this.
http://screencast.com/t/ipqojThcMTBu
Any luck they might drop the prick.

Rena: Oil salvage too slow, says minister

by Sam Boyer | Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:40

A salvage worker is lowered from a helicopter onto the stricken container ship Rena off the coast of Mount Maunganui.

Environment Minister Nick Smith says the process of pumping oil off Rena is too slow and he believes there will be more dangers ahead.

But salvage operators say that trying to increase the pumping speed is difficult.

Mr Smith, who was aboard the HMNZS Pukaki yesterday, said he was still waiting for positive news of increased pumping speeds.

“I’m still not satisfied with the pumping rates. I’d be wanting to see pumping rates of 10 tonnes an hour. We’re hoping, with the booster rate, it’ll get better,” he said.

http://www.bayofplentytimes.co.nz/news/oil-salvage-too-slow-says-minister/1146944/

Hasn’t he got something better to do in Nelson?
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October 22, 2011 5:07pm
noskire

Viking2, how many more PC-filled reports and statistics do we need before people wake up and realise it’s not the Government’s fault, it’s the parents.
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October 22, 2011 5:07pm
nasska

Courage Wolf

Fair comment. I would also suggest that Epsom’s voters may have an inkling that JK 2011/2014 could be a totally different leader to what he was 2008/11. If he had broken the electorate’s trust by going back on the promises he made during the last campaign he would now be cut bread.

If ACT hadn’t gone with Banks they may have been looking at 5 to 7 MPs. As it is now they will be lucky to get an electorate MP & 1 or 2 hangers on. ACT have little to bargain with so why should National extend charity to them?

Reid

I read your 10.24am earlier….it is food for thought but while it is true that the election is the only poll that counts I don’t share your faith in the humour of Epsom’s voters. I actually hope that you are right because National are going to be desperate for partners in 2014 if ACT implodes. I put the blame squarely at the feet of those who allowed Banks to contest Epsom.
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October 22, 2011 5:15pm
reid

I actually hope that you are right because National are going to be desperate for partners in 2014 if ACT implodes. I put the blame squarely at the feet of those who allowed Banks to contest Epsom.

He was the only logical candidate for Epsom, far more logical than Brash. Brash should have stood for Tamaki, as Whale said at the time.

Brash’s problem is that he can’t understand why the nation isn’t responding to Orewa II and when they started it with the Maorification debacle that just made it political poison from there on in. It might have worked if they’d gone with Ansell’s original concept rather than watering it down. But my preference and advice would have been: don’t try it at all. Its had its day, stick to what you know and talk about nothing but the economy. For at the end of the day, this is what will capture voters in 2011, just like it did for Clinton in 1992.

That’s the mistake ACT made and I’m not sure its electorally recoverable at this stage, since they’ve now lost heaps of cred. However, fact is, voters who think (i.e. all those who don’t vote or don’t currently intend to vote left) know that Key doesn’t have any fucking guts whatsoever.

They know that Mr Popular is actually a gutless, limp wet noodle on the inside. They know that Mr Popular will do anything to ensure his popularity and they doubt the sycophantic National caucus is capable of doing anything but nod, nay gape, in unison, at their Leaders’ astonishingly brilliant performances.

Yes nasska. The Nat’s caucus behave toward Key the same as a bunch of 7th form schoolgirls would behave toward Ritchie McCaw if he were to come to their school ball.

It’s that bad.

And voters know this, I hope, so they know the pathetic Nats need a backbone, even if it’s only ACT who can fill in till a real backbone comes along. At least bloody Epsom voters better know it. Otherwise it’s all over. The world ends, not on 21/12/2012 as everyone else thinks but on 26/11/2011.

Wouldn’t that be a shame.
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October 22, 2011 5:32pm
Scott Chris

Lucia Maria 4.00pm

Thanks Lucia. I’m lucky in that that is the most I’ve had to deal with.
I can’t imagine what it would be like to lose a spouse or a child.
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October 22, 2011 5:34pm
nasska

reid

Problem is that if Banks is the logical candidate for Epsom then it means that ACT’s pool of talent makes your average birdbath seem like the Mariana Trench. No one this side of the nearest P lab would describe him as a social liberal which is who the average ACT punter seeks to represent him/her. He is a socially conservative, fiscally conservative Nat having a bob each way on what will get his snout back into the political trough.

We differ on our opinions of JK but I like many others will be scrutinising his actions very closely. I reckon by this time next year we’ll know who was right.
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October 22, 2011 5:50pm
reid

No one this side of the nearest P lab would describe him as a social liberal which is who the average ACT punter seeks to represent him/her.

I disagree that’s what your average ACT punter around the country pines for.

While the ACT caucus have done various things in that direction, this doesn’t mean this is what its base wants nor what its base thinks is important nor what its base think ACT should in fact represent on the national political stage.

I rather suspect if ACT, a.k.a. Brash started talking about nothing but the economy, this would result in an uptick in the polls.

He can decimate Key and English in an economic debate and this is what, IMO, ACT people pay their subs for. They are disappointed, IMO, that such debate subjects rarely arise and that ACT seemingly does everything it can to avoid talking about the one thing it should be talking about and which it is supremely good at.
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October 22, 2011 6:04pm
bereal

what sort of a bene philu is on these days.
his 16 years sitting on his arse on the DPB must be just about up.
Wonder if hes’ switched to his next natural yet,
the unemployable bene.
Which is it phil ?
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October 22, 2011 6:16pm
nasska

reid

Now you’re talking. Dr Brash has a lot to offer the country & as you correctly state few could match him in a debate centred around economic policy. Why he strays from this line is beyond me. As economics is his forte he should have been ACT’s candidate for Epsom where the average voter could be expected to have more financial acumen than in most electorates.

I still disagree that the archetypal ACT voter seeks a MP carrying a banner for authoritarian, moralistic god bothering which is what Banks represents. Most of them have sufficient education & moral fibre to make up their own minds.
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October 22, 2011 6:19pm
Pauleastbay

The cost of Rena

This afternoon I took the dogs for a run on Hukuwai Beach east of Opotiki.

Sitting on his butt at a rest stop table was a DOC guy reading the Herald , it transpires he was the co-ordinator – on the beach there were two very earnest and I presume sincere civilians in Hi Viz vest walking the beach, complete with back pack , seriously, mind you, they were nearly two kilometers from the nearest pub and Four Square and they may have had to camp out if a sea fog rolled in. They had managed to save us locals from the eye sore of a broken boogie board as a result of their ramblings.

My convoluted point is – if this is being mirrored on every beach between Waihi and Lottin Point the cost is going to be astronomical for absolutely no gain, utter bullshit
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October 22, 2011 6:24pm
Johnboy

Shit PEB. You are starting to sound like the sensible fellow I used to think you were before you threw your lot in with the off the scale egometer person called FESter. 🙂
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October 22, 2011 6:29pm
nasska

Pauleastbay

Seems to me that investing in a few $2 compasses & listening to marine weather forecasts to determine wind direction could help direct resources to where they are needed. Still if every bay of every beach is not checked on the hour every hour the Greens will be screeching to their half wit mates in the MSM about decimated wildlife. Does no one think of the sea lice?

Question: Is there a predominant current flow in the Eastern Bay other than tidal?
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October 22, 2011 6:35pm
philu

“..your average ACT punter..”

shouldn’t you be sending out a search party for that endangered species..?

..(there is a coven/nest of them in that icehouse place…but i can’t think of any others..)

..surely the sample is too small to make any readings with any credibility..?

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 22, 2011 6:38pm
Griff

National is a behemoth of the center right There is room on the right wing for more than one party. ACTS brand is lost with Banks being involved. It maybe that nationals success is to the detriment of the liberal right. We may have to wait until the inevitable fall of the present National regime before such a party again breathes oxygen.
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October 22, 2011 6:43pm
Pauleastbay

Nasska

Its expected the containers that aren’t lassoed will end up at Cape Runaway or Lottin Point, and thats been proved so far.
Evidently there been some oil around at Te Araroa , not much but thats where its ended up.

Many many boats out fishing today, and I’ve heard nothing through the Liars Network i.e Local Fishermen, about any crap in the water
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October 22, 2011 6:46pm
plebe

To the lovers of wealth without honour, key lovers,a thought
Oscar Wilde said….
“A man who knows the price of every thing and the value of nothing
is a money shuffler.
Whos that???let me guess he smiles a lot ;o)
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October 22, 2011 6:54pm
Viking2

Shit PEB fishermen aren’t Liabour voters are they????
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October 22, 2011 6:54pm
Viking2

noskire (502) Says:
October 22nd, 2011 at 5:07 pm

Viking2, how many more PC-filled reports and statistics do we need before people wake up and realise it’s not the Government’s fault, it’s the parents.

You don’t have teenage boys the noskire. No jobs just go waste your life at school using up the tax payers dollars until you are bored enough to be a bloody nuisance.
You lefties never learn.
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October 22, 2011 6:55pm
Pauleastbay

After nine years V2 , habits have been formed that are taking a while to kick
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October 22, 2011 6:55pm
Steve

A container has broken open on a beach south of Tauranga.
It was packed with full stops, and Phool has all of them.
Flame war or not, this shitbag deserves a ban again. Fuck off Phool
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October 22, 2011 6:57pm
nasska

Pauleastbay

Thanks…perhaps you can keep us all up to date with what happens around your area….on present performance I doubt that we should rely on the average TV ‘reporter’ announcing the rising nor the setting of the sun without drawing twenty five gasps of breath & giving the seagull death count.
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October 22, 2011 7:02pm
Pauleastbay

V2 or Lofty or anyone else at the Mount or Tauranga

If all the Mount beaches are open ( how they could be closed is another issue!!!!) why isn’t that inspirational orator Stuart Crosby getting on the radio and informing people that they do not need to cancel their Xmas accomodation, as I have heard anecdotally that this is occurring?

God knows there are enough fawning reporters looking for someone to say something, he should be able to get unlimited airtime

I would presume that this as an obligation he has to his local business’s to get things rolling
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October 22, 2011 7:19pm
Scott Chris

plebe says:- “To the lovers of wealth without honour”

If you were to look at libertarianism objectively, you’d discover that their moral ideals are the same as the those of the left.

They simply have a more effective method of achieving those goals.

The economic liberal’s goal is to make everyone richer by making the cake bigger.

The social liberal’s goal is to allow them the freedom to enjoy it.

How bad can that be? Just walk into the light.
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October 22, 2011 7:46pm
plebe

Steve (1,889) Says:

October 22nd, 2011 at 6:57 pm
A container has broken open on a beach south of Tauranga.
It was packed with full stops, and Phool has all of them.
Flame war or not, this shitbag deserves a ban again. Fuck off Phool
Why tell us??? last time i looked NZ was still free, opps election comming up 🙁
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October 22, 2011 7:57pm
nasska

God would like to thank you for your belief and patronage. In order to better serve your needs, He asks that you take a few moments to answer the following questions. Please keep in mind that your responses will be kept completely confidential, and that you need not disclose your name or address unless you prefer a direct response to comments or suggestions.

1. How did you find out about God?
___ Newspaper
___ Bible
___ Torah
___ Book of Mormon
___ Koran
___ Other Book
___ Television
___ Divine Inspiration
___ Word of mouth
___ Dead Sea scrolls
___ Near Death Experience
___ Near-life experience
___ Radio Rhema
___ Tabloid
___ Burning Shrubbery
___ Other (specify): _____________

2. Which model God did you acquire?
___ Yahweh
___ Jehovah
___ Allah
___ Just plain God
___ Krishna
___ Father, Son & Holy Ghost (Trinity Pak)
___ Zeus and entourage (Olympus Pak)
___ Odin and entourage (Valhalla Pak)
___ Gaia/Mother Earth/Mother Nature
___ None of the above; I was taken in by a false god

3. Did your God come to you undamaged, with all parts in good working order and with no obvious breakage or missing attributes?
__ Yes __ No
If not, please describe the problems you initially encountered here (Please check all that apply):
___ Not eternal
___ Not omniscient
___ Not omnipotent
___ Finite in space/Does not occupy or inhabit the entire universe
___ Permits sex outside of marriage
___ Prohibits sex outside of marriage
___ Makes mistakes (eg. Bishop Tamaki, Graham Capill)
___ When beseeched, doesn’t stay beseeched
___ Requires burnt offerings
___ Requires virgin sacrifices

4. What factors were relevant in your decision to acquire a God? (Please check all that apply.)
___ Indoctrinated by parents
___ Needed a reason to live
___ Indoctrinated by society
___ Needed target for rage
___ Imaginary friend grew up
___ Hate to think for self
___ Wanted to meet girls/boys
___ Fear of death
___ To piss off parents
___ Needed a day away from work
___ Enjoy organ music
___ Needed focus on whom to despise
___ Needed to feel morally superior
___ Graduated from the tooth fairy
___ My shrubbery caught fire and told me to do it

5. Are you currently using any other source of inspiration in addition to God? (Please check all that apply.)
__ Self-help books
__ Tarot, Astrology
__ Star Trek re-runs
__ Fortune cookies
__ Psychic Friends Network
__ Dianetics
__ Playboy and/or Playgirl
__ Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll
__ Biorhythms
__ Television
__ Mantras
__ Human Sacrifice
__ Wandering around in desert
__ Burning shrubbery
__ Other:_____________________

6. Have you ever worshipped a false God before? If so, which false God were you fooled by? Please check all that apply.
___ Odin
___ Cthulhu
___ Lottery
___ Baal
___ Beelzebub
___ The Almighty Dollar
___ The Conservative Right
___ Mick Jagger
___ A burning cabbage
___ mushrooms
___ Other: ________________

7. God employs a limited degree of Divine Intervention to preserve the balanced level of felt presence and blind faith. Which would you prefer..? (circle one)
a. More Divine Intervention
b. Less Divine Intervention
c. Current level of Divine Intervention is just right
d. Don’t know – what’s Divine Intervention?

8. God also attempts to maintain a balanced level of disasters and miracles. Please rate on a scale of 1 to 5 God’s handling of the following disasters.(1 unsatisfactory, 5 excellent):
flood
famine
the Christchurch earthquake
Helen Clark
war
pestilence
plague
NZ Labour Party
my last relationship
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October 22, 2011 8:01pm
Steve

@ plebe
whoooooshhhh, right over the top.
You are new here so you will not know the difference between Phil Goff and Philip Ure, commonly known as ‘Phool’
Then again, you are not new here, just a new pseudo yeah?

Hail Phil Goff, Labour will win. Phark, you are not ‘Spud’ from Red Blert are you?
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October 22, 2011 8:05pm
joana

PG
Not many involved in the occupy CHCH..only a few tents looking rather lonely.
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October 22, 2011 8:06pm
Viking2

PEB> If all the Mount beaches are open ( how they could be closed is another issue!!!!) why isn’t that inspirational orator Stuart Crosby getting on the radio and informing people that they do not need to cancel their Xmas accomodation, as I have heard anecdotally that this is occurring?

Cause he is JAFLY. (FYI. Just another fucking lefty) and lefties don’t do business despite their facade.
Tauranga in the 37 years I have been has never been business friendly. Oh plenty of noise but also plenty of obstruction, costs and so on. Aided I might add by various stupid political turf wars.
i.e. While it was safe Nat territory they did nothing, They did nothing while Peters was here, Peters twisted Helens arm and we got stuff done. Clarkson kicked butt but got frustrated at the inertia and now we are back to safe National with a plonker for an MP.
Don’t expect much more after the eastern link is done. Only doing that because the had so many without jobs and the road was becoming too dangerous that they had no choice.
As for the Katikati road. Well that plan has been on the go since before I came and its still in the next century plan.
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October 22, 2011 8:29pm
Viking2

No Shit Charlie.

Waikato Uni Scientist says Rena oil is not good to eat. FFS
I know there are a few dumb and fucking stupid people out there but do we need to waste taxpayers money on establishing something the world has know for 130 years or so?

Waikato University scientists have been kept busy examining the oil from the Rena.

Professor Alistair Wilkins has been gathering a detailed picture of the oil from the ship’s tanks, surface slicks and the globules on Mt Maunganui beach.

He says the oil contains both petroleum hydrocarbons and poly aromatic hydrocarbons.

Professor Wilkins says the compounds are known to be harmful to humans and wildlife.

He says the information on what is in the oil will be used by authorities trying to determine when it will be safe to eat shellfish and other seafood again.
http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/news-story.cfm?content_id=820590
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October 22, 2011 8:33pm
Viking2

Why compulsory Kiwisaver is not a good thing.
This makes for sober reading if you think compulsion is the way to go.

Markets forcing retirees to work after $75bn paper loss in superannuation

BABY-BOOMER retirees are being forced back to work, with workers having almost nothing to show for contributing $430 billion to Australia’s compulsory superannuation pool since the global financial crisis.

As Australians continue to contribute 9 per cent via employers’ compulsory schemes, topping that up with voluntary contributions, the rolling crisis in equity markets has cancelled out any growth in their nest eggs.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/wealth/markets-forcing-retirees-to-work-after-75bn-paper-loss-in-superannuation/story-e6frgac6-1226173590785
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October 22, 2011 8:40pm
reid

Not many involved in the occupy CHCH..only a few tents looking rather lonely.

Oh dear joanna. So the masses haven’t revolted after all? Not even with the provocation from the earthquakes?

Crikey this anarchism group really is girly blouse material, isn’t it.

Ya woulda thought at least a coupla real Southern lefties would have, by now, chopped down some trees, made a few log cabins, got a real atmosphere going, maybe built a rifle range. But no. None of that.

Who really are these Occupy people? Yes, we already know demonstrably for a fact, they are girly men, very girly indeed, apparently. But apart from that, what other horrific things does anyone know about these ~~haters and wreckers~~ Occupy people?
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October 22, 2011 8:42pm
Lucia Maria

Viking,

With regards to Aussie compulsory super – I’m not expecting there to be anything left of mine by the time I retire. Hubbie and I were looking at our super funds the other day, thinking it would be great if we could get hold of that money and put it against the mortgage – have it do something other than make fund managers rich.
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October 22, 2011 9:03pm
plebe

Go Colin Craig from the conservative party a alternative to the nats
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October 22, 2011 9:09pm
Viking2

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/television/game-show-presenter-tries-to-swallow-his-pride/story-e6frfmyi-1226169407185
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October 22, 2011 9:16pm
Viking2

Lucia Maria (769) Says:
October 22nd, 2011 at 9:03 pm

Viking,

With regards to Aussie compulsory super – I’m not expecting there to be anything left of mine by the time I retire. Hubbie and I were looking at our super funds the other day, thinking it would be great if we could get hold of that money and put it against the mortgage – have it do something other than make fund managers rich.

Yep the most cost effective saving is paying your mortgage or alternatively using the equity to purchase a rental where someone else pays the mortgage. Still the best deal around.
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October 22, 2011 9:18pm
Viking2

Something for tomorrow.

The A Team.
http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=47&p=38024#p38024
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October 22, 2011 9:20pm
Viking2

And for your amusement. Pastors wives are not always so nice.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/television/game-show-presenter-tries-to-swallow-his-pride/story-e6frfmyi-1226169407185
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October 22, 2011 9:21pm
reid

Has it ever occurred to anyone to ask why these “Arab Springs” seemed to begin around the same time Mr “Colour Revolution” was plugged yet again into the WH power structure, when Obama came to power?

(Brzezhinsky)
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October 22, 2011 9:31pm
plebe

http://youtu.be/mJ9GDiYU0-I
You dumbies need to get out more
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October 22, 2011 9:52pm
reid

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2011/10/19/millionaires-control-39-of-global-wealth/?mod=WSJBlog

Just imagine if the world’s wealth were controlled by the smelly hippies from the Occupy Movement. Oh the humanity.
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October 22, 2011 10:03pm
Scott Chris

plebe

Why bother? Do you think people are going to listen to your ideas if all you do is insult them.

You may well be retaliating, but surely this state of affairs is nothing more than playground taunting?

Why not state your case in a rational manner, or critique the ideas you believe are flawed?

Isn’t that what debate is supposed to be?
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October 22, 2011 10:06pm
plebe

Scott Chris (2,339) Says:

October 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 pm
plebe

Why bother? Do you think people are going to listen to your ideas if all you do is insult them.

You may well be retaliating, but surely this state of affairs is nothing more than playground taunting?

Why not state your case in a rational manner, or critique the ideas you believe are flawed?

Isn’t that what debate is supposed to be?
Thanks ,for your educated thoughts Scott, i will take you in comments and respond as needed. :o)
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