One thing I will say. I’ve been reading a number of overseas news sites (The Guardian, The Telegraph, SMH etc) and I can’t believe the number of sour-faced commenters there are saying how the French should have won, Joubert was on the NZRFU payroll, McCaw is a cheat, blah blah…
Of course the ABs have never been on the bad side of crucial penalty decisions, ever, have they? Yes, sarcasm. It would be understandable if most of those sour-faced commenters were French, but they weren’t. Even here on KB there were a couple of infrequent commenters doing their level best to be joy police, because WE CAN’T HAVE ANY JOY in New Zealand can we. It’s against the rules.
Nothing is perfect but there’s plenty to be happy about.
As some of the AB supporters on those news sites said in response to said sourpusses… Read the scoreboard; and have some more lemons and wasps to chew on!!
Don’t be too hard on old Tom, I had a serious ” Oh fuck” moment the instant I saw Crudens knee bend opposite to what its supposed to. I can’t imagine I was the only person who had this. But cometh hour cometh the man hour etc etc thank goodness.
Fantastic – and the parade in Auckland was great too. They might be professional sportsmen but they were real looks of satisfaction and joy.
You did deserve to win last night, but I’d venture to suggest that you’re still in search of a real Big Match Temperament and there’s work to be done before you can join the other winners and claim the trophy away from home soil
tommy scott is indeed a time traveller – and right on the mark!
if he turns his talents to chch, he could well be another ken ring.
(hey, a few of the commentators above are a bit of a worrie tho, seems some people just don’t get it these days, eh……)
I find it highly amusing that those of you who are desperately trying to ignore the most laughably biased refereeing performance in modern rugby history (-read the neutral overseas reports gentlemen, the general consensus is that France were robbed…) are exactly the type of ‘fans’ who have been howling and crying into their beer about Wayne Barnes for the past four years…But I guess the concept of ‘irony is lost on deluded, one-eyed All Black supporters…
Please explain how Joubert was biased.I am genuinely interested, there was no other referee in the tournament who came close to him. I would have been happy to have him if we were playing South Africa, he’s that good.
Your so called neutral overseas reports are nothing of the sort, they are having to write shit to try and explain why their teams were at home mowing the lawns and not playing in the final.
Adze- That’s my point exactly! New Zealanders have been howling and wailing like pathetic children for four years about Wayne Barnes yet Joubert’s performance last night was equally if not more inept. I suggest you closely watch a video of what McCaw got away unpenalised with in that second half (and that’s not even mentioning his ‘accidental’ knee to the head of the French first five and incidentally their goalkicking sharpshooter in the first half…)
Pauleastbay- You amuse me. You have to be the most biased, one-eyed and simple minded All Black fan I’ve seen on these websites (and I’ve seen a few…) I’lll cut you some slack as I’m guessing from the quality of your argument that you are twelve years old and mum and dad let you stay up late to watch the big final….
So if it’s your point, why do you describe it scornfully while endorsing criticism of Joubert? Criticising a poor ref performance is either acceptable or not, isn’t it?
I doubt very much Joubert’s performance was worse than that of Barnes. The French coach himself described Joubert as the best ref in the world. The latter missed some stuff, including some forward passes by French players but I doubt McCaw’s knee was intentional. Even many of your “neutral” commentators share that.
I don’t think Tom Scott has anything (much) to apologise for … when Beaver stepped up to take that punt, there was more than one spectator at Eden park and via TV that had palpitations.
Stephen Donald seems to have an old school approach to this sort of stuff – an genuine “aww shucks” mentality that probably helped him to get past the vitriol after Hong Kong. Of **course** the HK performance was crap, but to be crucified the way he was for it was very kiwi-poppy-rugby-angst.
Anyways, as a truly awesome old Professor once told me “The best revenge, my dear, is to be excellent”.
So an unbiased respected rugby journalist (with nothing to gain from criticising the ref…)from across the World is a “sad sack” simply because he doesn’t salivate over the flakey win of the mighty ‘invincible’ All Blacks eh?? Good grief…it’s going to be a long four years for the rugby world until these ridiculously arrogant prima-donnas (and that includes their laughably one-eyed supporters) come crashing back to earth again!
Oh to go back to ’87 when the All Blacks were humble,dignified champions and not arrogant, obnoxious prats like this….
can’t wait for work tomorrow .. I said that I hoped that Stephen would come on in the final and score the winner in the dying moments .. his winning goal was earlier than I hoped BUT fantastic.
He is a grounded bloke who still hangs out with his school mates and more importantly, is part owner of our local pub. During the Super 15, they gave out free beers when he scored a try
Pharmachick (105) Says: “I don’t think Tom Scott has anything (much) to apologise for … when Beaver stepped up to take that punt, there was more than one spectator at Eden park and via TV that had palpitations.”
How very true. We were fair packing it when Donald was sent on (memories of Hong Kong etc). We all thought ‘oh, shit’ but cometh the hour etc – and Donald did the bizzo.
Thedavincimode- Icecream melted! (That and the most obnoxious, arrogant sports team on the planet were gifted a dubious victory in a World Cup final…)
Pharmachick- I agree, Stephen Donald seems like a nice fellow. I just can’t for the life of me remember anyone from the ’87 champion team at a press conference arrogantly mocking the opposition pre-match…then sneering at the media when pulled into line. They were dignified champions and deserved legends of the sport.
Pauleastbay- I’m a dick and I’m full of shit because I don’t salivate over the All Blacks and I happen to watch a rugby match with BOTH eyes open?? . Top notch argument there mate….
yep I agree that the Ali/Sonny Boy press conference was embarrassing and childish, and rather a low point. I’m sure that Mr. Henry pointed that out too, quite strongly.
But *surely* you don’t want to tar a whole team with the misguided (at best) – slash- arrogant and rude (at worst) behavior of two guys. Notably both of those are barely 30 and have spent a large part of the last 10 years of their lives in a very “special” media and personal bubble. I’m not interested in discussing/debating that “bubble” behavior but it is what it is.
Also, I agree that the 1987 team were more taciturn and gracious than we would expect today … which is not to say that JK or Buck weren’t given to the occasional outburst. But then, in those days an AB could get away with disparaging comments without them being instantly re-broadcast on twitter/blogs/radio/tv etc. But then again, in the era of amateurism it was also possible to have an AB captain that was a Rhodes Scholar, which is very, very cool. Of course, the other problem with 1987 was that the tournament was basically a game between 4-6 nations whilst we “let” other countries play to legitimise the idea of a “world cup”.
FWIW, on the balance; I’d rather have the occasional prat, and the current format.
@Longknives – you are a fucking sad sack. How do you imagine, lets say, France or Italy react when their teams are dumped out of a soccer world cup? They go apeshit. South American teams get players shot. Can you please detail all the instances in the final where the ref showed bias towards NZ?