Whale 2 – Labour 0
October 19th, 2011 at 2:00 pm by David FarrarWhale has two more hits against Labour today.
First he reveals that they have used a photo of the Clyde Dam in their anti-mixed ownership model pamphlet. The Clyde Dam is not owned by a Government SOE, but by Contact Energy!! It’s like saying we won’t see Air NZ and having a photo of a Qantas jet.
Also is this the same Clyde Dam Labour fought so hard against?
Whale’s second post is a Facebook comment from Labour Party candidate and former President Andrew Little. Little makes a vicious personal attack on former North Shore Mayor and Police Commander George Wood.
Wood facebooked:
I certainly agree with my colleague Chris Fletcher. These people should have been removed from the Aotea Square on Sunday. Their actions are illegal and the more that they are allowed to remain in situ the more difficult it will be to remove them.
This is not an unreasonable view, that if people are staging an illegal occupation, they should be removed. Some call it the rule of law. Anyway reasonable people can agree to disagree on the pros and cons of such a move.
Cactus Kate suggested:
Water cannons George. Hose them down hourly.
And then Andrew Little opened up with:
Water cannons? Pah!Weakness! How about ice guns to freeze them out. No, no, wait a minute. Flame throwers. That’ll burn their little arses. Forget that. Just strafe them with rifle fire, the way George always dreamed of dealing with unruly crowds when he was a cop. Just who do they think they are challenging George’s smug, self-satisfied, complacent little world? Eh? The cheek of it. Tell them to get a real job. Like George. BTW, what is George’s job?
I’ve got no problems with hitting back at Cactus’s suggestions, but the venom against George Wood is quite remarkable, and dare I say it rather nasty. He basically says George Wood wanted to mow down protesters with guns when he was a cop and goes on to say Wood lives in a smug, self-satisfied, complacent little world.
So this is Labour’s great hope for the future?
I have to say I am surprised. I hold Andrew in considerable regard. He has done many good things as EPMU National Secretary. His attack on George Wood is beneath him, and he should apologise.
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October 19th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
You do seem to get these little bouts of delusional thinking now and then David
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Little has let his guard slip .. mind you, it does give him greed within todays Labour Party
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
It sounds like he has had a Little training from the Klarkenfuerer…
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Well, two decades ago.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Andrew Little. WTF.
They must have their on water supply. God knows what’s going in it.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
What the hell is happening to Labour? Their ranks are slowly filling with bile-filled self-righteous left-wing morons. They used to be a great party. And I still respect the likes of Goff. But is this all they can muster?
I think their current spell in the doldrums will come to an end. But I’m starting to reconsider, given how poor their new talent is.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Coming to a press release near you soon:
“I used Facebook in an internet cafe, and forgot to sign out”
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
For a supposedly clever educated guy Andrew Little is really quite stupid.
Facebook is about as private as a megaphone. These comments show what a nasty, bitter and twisted individual he is…behind his “future Labour leader” facade.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
“Andrew Little’s ……..attack on George Wood is beneath him, and he should apologise.”
But watch out for the pterodactyls flying down Queen Street first….
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
I’d like to point out that the primary driver for the left these days is hate, hate plus greed plus envy. It’s a nasty combination and it cannot help but leak out into the public arena from time to time.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Exactly Rick.
“A dingo stole my login.”
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
The Clyde dam thing, dumb, as is their whole campaign. I listened to focus on politics on radio left wing today (podcast) and funny how they were linking this to balance of trade – as if borrowing money offshore to fund the deficit doesn’t impact balance of trade.
The Little thing? Don’t really see the problem. Not even a good rant from Little and feels like DPF is trying a little too hard to work up some righteous outrage.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
New Plymouth won’t be taking the Fluoride out of their water supply until the election… so expect Whale to get a few more points…
Vote:Andrew is too much his name sake to apologise.
October 19th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
maybe we have taken what he wrote out of context .. TUI
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
In the long game, it’s still…
Whale – frustrated criminal and broke ass national party lapdog ZERO
Labour party – future gov’t with the well to do Little playing a prominent role WON
hate, greed and envy ?…yup sounds like Whale has got it in spades
Nasty, simpleminded, ogrish, shrekheaded fool that he is.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Pot, Kettle, Black with a Vengeance.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
From Sharon Stewart: I don’t think this is a good idea. Let one group – everyone will want to sleep over. Just for the Record.
Vote:Re the protestors in Aotea Square. posted on her Facebook. Perhaps Little will rant alittle about her as well – like to see the day!
October 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
“Labour party – future gov’t with the well to do Little playing a prominent role WON”
There are so many things wrong with this sentence.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Well the other day I was thinking Chauvel was quite a good recruit for Labour then was dismayed by his antics revealed on this site (plus his dishonest efforts to deflect criticism by saying people were having a go at him because of his wealth or s8xual orientation).
I thought Little was quite a solid, intelligent candidate, but he appears to hold the same irrational nastiness of Fenton and Mallard.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I had a quick trip over to Whaleoil’s site and was quickly reminded as to why I don’t go there.
What’s Whaleoil’s issue with the way female politician’s look? Comparisons with orks and witches, WTF?
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
George Wood is also a current Auckland City Councillor – one of twenty Labour might want to have a constructive relationship with after the election. Or not. Andrew Little might want to have a wee think about things that play when you’re a union boss or on the organizational side of a political party that you’ve got to dial back on in Parliament.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Surely the most telling point of Little’s nasty little rant is his complete and utter lack of personal judgement. Little is a guy who’s made no secret of his desire to be leader of the Labour Party, and yet he’ll openly broadcast this sort of malevolent drivel as if it would somehow impress.
Far more so than National/ACT supporters, Labour voters tend to seek governments that will render them benefits personally, rather than to the benefit of the nation; and it seems to me that almost all of Labour’s problems stem from its long-practiced agglomeration of spineless, selfish, manipulative types that exude Little’s demonstrated malice.
Frankly, David, I don’t know how you, or anyone, could hold such a determinably sour twerp in any sort of regard. Labour can only deepen its problems with his involvement.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Well what do you know Andrew Little is a wanker.
I’m shocked.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Little by name little by stature little by mentality
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Why am I not surprised?
david you are niave if you think the Labour cabal are nice guys.
Vote:They all know better than you and you shouldn’t have an opinion because you are not worthy of your vote as you don’t vote for them.
Notr are you beholden to them for monies.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Whale sure does spend a helluva lot of time perving at Labour candidates on Facebook. What’s with that?
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
He rightly views them as the enemy of democracy for when they are in power they trash it and our freedoms for the future.
Pity he doesn’t nail national as much as they are as dangerous.
TAS
Vote:you need to wake up.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
I’ve known George Wood since the late 1970′s and he is as decent a bloke as you could ever want to meet. Andrew Little’s snarky personal attack is totally unjustified, and is bad form.
And there’s one added dimension; at least George Wood has an electoral mandate to be commenting on issues going on in Auckland. Andrew Little has no mandate whatsoever; his fate is still to be decided by the wise, sage voters of the New Plymouth electorate, and this will not do his prospects any good. Of course, whether or not New Plymouth elects or rejects Andrew Little, he will be part of the 50th Parliament anyway; that’s the aspect of MMP that I dislike most.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Yes, I2, Little will be in Parliament because, sadly, there are about half a million Kiwis out there who think exactly as he does and will vote Labour. That is democracy.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
DPF: I have to say I am surprised. I hold Andrew in considerable regard. He has done many good things as EPMU National Secretary. His attack on George Wood is beneath him, and he should apologise.
I’m guessing this is simply how they talk when there’s no one around.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
People do funny things when they are SO FAR BEHIND IN THE POLLS eh Andrew.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Pot, Kettle, Black with a Vengeance.
a sly cone, a cup of tea and a good rant…chur
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Positan. Very well said.
Vote:A wise observation.
Little has now come out as a twerp, a perfect description.
And a sour one to boot.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Give any MP of the Liarbore persuasion enough rope and eventually they will hang themselves. Being humble and holding ones tongue isn’t in the job description but they haven’t figured this out yet. As I2 points out it’s such a shame out stupid political system forces these dropkicks upon a populace that couldn’t give a fat rats toss about the arseholes.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
It looks like the post was around midnight which might explain a bit. Still no excuse for getting carried away and then abusive.
This response was middle of the afternoon though – Richard Northey: As the police said they were too busy with Rugby World Cup issues to do it why didn’t George Wood do it.
What’s going on up there?
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Free speech ,protest and socialism?
The preferred option is tanks.
Prague,Budapest ,Tien An Men Square.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
@ Pete; it’s a smarmy dig by Northey to George Wood’s former life as a respected and high-ranking police officer. Given some of the stories I’ve heard about Northey, especially the one surrounding the opening of Sam Lotu-I’iga’s electorate office, I’m not surprised that Northey feels threatened by the long arm of the law.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
I’m no defender of little but I read his reply as being sarcastic to the suggestion of using water cannons. It’s a bit like someone suggesting the protesters are shot and Andrew says (sarcastically) “and dont forget to torture them first”. I think people are misunderstanding his response
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Except, Zen, Little went on to say a whole lot more — all ad hom, all petty and nasty, all typical of what we have come to expect from Labour over the last 12 years.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Nookin
“come to expect from Labour over the last 12 years”
That’s a very interesting point actually. I don’t recall that they were this vindictive and unpleasant prior to Klerk’s first government.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
..the perils of using a mobile…
I meant to add that he was possibly “pretending” to be Cactus Kate, and making out that *she* wanted to say those things about George, and that *she* was the one holding back from saying what she really thinks…
But I agree on reflection – even if that was the intent, it totally backfired, and has made him look just a little bit small.
Besides, I don’t think anyone could accuse Cactus from holding back, so he went too far on that score too.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
This labour lot are just yobs plain and simple.
Go back to 1984, Michael Bassett one of the least yob like individuals ever to enter Parliament. Compare him with Mallard who assaulted another MP in the Parliament -unbloody believeably still – that was just so beyond the pale that union dicks like Little actually come across as just shit bag school boys, immature with no manners class or anything to bring to the table
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Labour are running the most extreme agenda possible. I suppose this is a tactical ploy so they can say well the left had their way in 2011, now for 2013 we have to get real if we want a shot at Government. Plus they want to moderate the Green vote by being hard left. But they will still need a Tony Blair to get them into Government and that is not on the horizon yet. Stuart Nash maybe.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Whale can’t say much about other people making personal attacks.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Whale’s not seeking public office Joana; I’m sure that even someone as obtuse as you could make that distinction.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
tvb – indeed. Their current strategy of bringing in unionists like this nasty little man haven’t worked very well for them so far.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
‘Whale’s not seeking public office Joana’
Since when did the Auckland City Council Albany Ward not count as public office?
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
So given Labour can’t tell the difference between a publicly owned power station and a privately owned one, what’s supposed to happen again?
Or, instead of just status quo bias, does Labour actually have a coherent, albeit misguided policy in which they are looking to buy back power assets?
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
YesWeDuh!……Is Whale seeking office NOW?……now run along…..tool.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
re Swan: “does Labour actually have a coherent, albeit misguided policy … ”
Today’s Labour Party possesses nothing akin to policy, let alone even anything even determinable as “misguided.” The sole motivating force of today’s parliamentary Labour crowd is the self-interest, parliamentary salaries and perks being leagues beyond what they could otherwise acquire from their former pursuits so happily abandoned.
Like most of their non-thinking supporters, today’s Labour MPs neither seek to uphold or even represent the “honest” values they once purported to endorse – although they constantly pretend they do. Unfortunately for them, the inescapable truth they’re all so determined to ignore is regularly displayed in the substance of so many of their actions. They’ll criticise other MPs for things they themselves have performed, they’ll twist angles, distort the truth and blatantly lie outright every time they believe that any sort of advantage can be sustained. So often, however, such tactics only backfire on them – like when Mallard, Goff, King and others’ denied calling Key “scumbag” in the House – even attempting to claim the calls were made by National MPs – until video footage wrought them further credibility loss when they were forced to recant.
Such attempted practice is called “perception management,” the thrust being to paint images desired in the public’s mind, irrespective of accuracy or truth. For perception management to be workable, there have to be ascertainable elements of “attributable credibility” so that manufactured images have some stickability or adhesive potential. Labour has lacked credibility for a very long time now, which is probably the elemental reason for its woeful poll-standing. Every stunt that Labour MPs have pulled/attempted which has backfired on them, has worsened and further damaged its negligible prospects. Labour MPs haven’t any sort of a long term plan, and what they put up as “policy” reflects nothing more than specious bribes that might enable them to gain office.
That’s why they’ve left such a mess on the last four occasions they’ve been cast from office – and Labour administrations are pretty well the sole reason why we lag so far behind Australia in comparable standards.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Little’s words went beyond any perception of taking the piss, his invectiveness is displayed when he then goes on about GW’s “smug, self-satisfied, complacent little world”.
How disappointing (Little).
How disappointing also, that (as Ed points out) Labour really are a much of hateful, greedy and envious (largely non) personalities. Is there anyone in Labour, or aspiring to be Labour MP’s that can rise above all this? Looks like Little failed.
(Perhaps Maryan and the Rainbows could push their mild mannered Parker option … er maybe not)
Labour are so out of control in their crash dive to the election that this yet another example of their MP’s/aspiring MP’s showing poor judgement. Wouldn’t have happened back in Helun’s day eh!
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
I wonder if Cunliffe fits the perception management model? In tonight’s Manawatu Standard (article not online), Cunner’s sez:
Oooo-kaaay, looks like the lights are out in Cunliffe’s head too! Is there anyone in Labour with a functioning brain, can tell the truth and not exploit tragedies with misleading statements? Surely Cunliffe even is capable of reading official and media reports on why oil couldn’t be pumped off the Rena in the first four days? Sheesh, if he can’t get it right by being in Opposition without the pressure of being a Govt minister handling this crisis, I wonder how he would fair if he ever got into Govt and was under real pressure!
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Actually, I think the lights are out in your head, since you are blindly believing the spin from Rena… if you bother to research it you will find Joyce dithered, and dithered, and dithered some more. Is Hooton too left wing for you or not real media?
David, Labour actually approved the first plan for Clyde with a low dam, Muldoon changed it to a high dam.
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Gosh Ross, evidence please for your assertions!
And looking forward to hearing what an “expert” like yourself would have done to have fixed the problem, as opposed to the “dithering Joyce”!
As Richard Long pointed out in yesterday’s DomPost, perhaps the critics should have rowed out and inserted a hose to suck out the oil! Would have shut them up too, I recall him saying!
Vote:October 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.
So how long will it take for the Labour monkeys to post something reasonable, considered or even with a hint of measured thought on any form of social media?
Vote:October 20th, 2011 at 2:04 am
Sounds to me that once Goff is booted out in November it will signal the beginning of the new Labour Party – a party completely consumed by hate, attack blogs and censorship. Goff, with all his faults, is still a man you’d be quite happy to watch the rugby with, have a beer with mates or chat about normal stuff. The lot coming in as well as those polluting the opposition benches at the moment are so far removed from the real world.
Vote:October 20th, 2011 at 6:57 am
Clint
Goff is a tool, amongst other things. He’s the guy who turns up when you’re having a beer with a group of mates and makes you wish he would just go and talk to the potted palm in the corner. He is the Philu of the Labour party; nobody wants to talk to him and there is a very good reason for that.
Vote:October 20th, 2011 at 8:05 am
“He is the Philu of the Labour party; nobody wants to talk to him and there is a very good reason for that.”
Priceless.
Vote: