An e-mail from Sir Bob

November 14th, 2011 at 2:19 pm by David Farrar

In my Herald column of 28 October I wrote:

Introducing the principle of means testing, is another very welcome step. I think it is wrong that we pay millionaires such as Sir , NZ .

Sir Bob has e-mailed to comment:

Dear David,

Before using a photo of me to make your point you could have enquired whether I actually receive the Government super, which I have been eligible for over the past seven years.

The answer is I don’t. It is essentially a form of welfare which I absolutely don’t need.

That said I have been shocked at people of considerable wealth whom I know and who do take it.

Just possibly I am not just the only New Zealander who doesn’t have a cellphone but also the only eligible Kiwi who doesn’t take the super.

Best wishes,

 

Bob Jones

My thanks to Sir Bob for putting the record straight. In hindsight I am not surprised he doesn’t take it. I wonder how many others do not take it, whom are entitled to?

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30 Responses to “An e-mail from Sir Bob”

  1. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Shock, horror. A “rich prick” who DOESN’T rort the system?

    Labour will just be stunned. How can this be? Mana will be crying out, “Liar!” How could this happen?

    Will they EVER admit that “rich” does not necessarily equal “prick”?

    Bet they don’t …

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  2. Manolo (13,838 comments) says:

    Sir Bob Jones is a true champion and a business legend!

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  3. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    That’s a good point – presumably it’s not compulsory.

    I wonder if Don Brash and Winston Peters accept Super payments.

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  4. Mick Mac (1,091 comments) says:

    It doesn’t matter if they do or don’t take it, as over 65’s they are entitled to it by dint of the lifetime of taxes they have paid.
    When will we stop treating super the same as DPB in our minds?

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  5. adc (595 comments) says:

    I’m entitled to WFF but I don’t take it. And I paid more tax than most people pay in 100 lifetimes.

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  6. kaykaybee (152 comments) says:

    @ Pete George. Now there’s a question, I’d like them both to answer. I’d bet my house they do!

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  7. flipper (4,084 comments) says:

    Yessss…..
    But does Bob live in NZ enough to qualify? …. Wonder if J Todd does …… or the Hubbards do/did

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  8. BeaB (2,125 comments) says:

    It’s nobody’s business who takes it and who doesn’t. It is an entitlement and no-one should be interrogated about it. What kind of nasty Stasi, nosey parker country are we becoming?

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  9. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    good on ya Bob !

    assuming he was getting paid NZ super and stating as much in the press ?

    not so good…

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  10. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Brash has said that he does. He doesn’t think he should be entitled to, but he’d be a mug not to given they’re throwing it at him.

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  11. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    My father died last year at 88 and never asked for it at all. he paid his own rest home bills as well.
    sure everyone is entitled to it but why take it if you have more than enough?
    And of course Winston takes it, he’s been on the take for years why stop now.

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  12. s.russell (1,642 comments) says:

    Good on Sir Bob. If you don’t need it don’t take it. But most of us have to make sacrifices to save. And what we save is money that we don’t spend. Means testing is effectively a tax on saving – on top of the tax paid on the original income and the tax paid on invesmentreturns. It is theft of people’s savings. It is wrong. And it is stupid.

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  13. KH (695 comments) says:

    …….. to Mick Mac and BeaB
    So its legal to take it. But that falls into the fallacy that everything that is legal is good judgement and perfectly OK.
    There are many things that clearly not desirable, indeed perfectly abhorent, but perfectly legal.

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  14. Unsolicitedious (13 comments) says:

    Sir Bob should apply for his NZS, I don’t see why he shouldn’t. It’s a universal system based on years lived in NZ and he has more than paid his fair share of taxes so why not.

    We probably wont need it (assuming it will still be around in 30 years…doubtful!) but will definitely apply as for us it will be a chance to actually get some of our taxes back – wont get it in healthcare as we’ve gone private (public healthcare will always suck – can’t see that ever changing) and we are unlikely to get money back via our child’s education as we will go private for that too, so may as well get NZS.

    No doubt the lefties will say ‘oh but you got tax cuts’ – well these were a tiny proportion of the taxes we have paid and continued to pay. Even after the tax cuts were are still in the top 13% paying most of the tax collected and benefits paid out.

    In my experience those who complain the most about such things often contribute very little by way of tax revenue.

    So when it is our time to collect we will be marching in there and getting something that we are entitled to as a matter of right. As far as I am concerned, those who ‘need’ it get far more than they are entitled for the duration of their entire lives.

    People who make good choices, work hard and live within their means should not always be the ones that miss out. We pay for this country so we should be able to get some of our money back when the opportunity comes up – and do so with a clear conscience.

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  15. KH (695 comments) says:

    I don’t think it should be means tested now. As it simply penalises those who have voluntarily saved. Often with great personal struggle.
    In future years however, I think National Super should be eliminated entirely.
    It will take a compulsory Kiwisaver scheme to do that. Compulsory for everybody including those on benefits.
    As the coverage and returns cut in we can cut out National Super.
    And there should only be an absolutely bottom rung safety net benefit. Available to very very few.
    That’s a 30 year changeover.

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  16. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    Don’t drop super. Lower the amount and make it available for everyone, universally over the age of 18, tax free, around the value of the current dole. Ditch the DPB, Invalids benefit, dole, WFF etc. Flat tax at constant rate + make sure it’s as wide as possible (i.e. capture capital gains). A universal allowance similar to what was done in the Canadian and US experiments in the 70’s.

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  17. Manolo (13,838 comments) says:

    Ditch the DPB, Invalids benefit, dole, WFF etc. Flat tax at constant rate ..

    Are you sure you’re a lefty?

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  18. Daigotsu (459 comments) says:

    Bob Jones was a supporter and mate of Helen Clark, so fuck him. Nice to know my money isn’t going to support THIS socialist in his retirement but a shame about all the other socialists it is supporting.

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  19. MT_Tinman (3,204 comments) says:

    I’m utterly amazed!

    Not that Sir Robert has refused the Super payment but that he e-mailed you, in fact that he e-mailed anyone.

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  20. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    I’m entitled to WFF but I don’t take it. And I paid more tax than most people pay in 100 lifetimes.

    Yikes, how many kids do you have?

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  21. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Just shows there are no standards at the herald. Bob’s.. could have checked..should have been ….should have checked

    Surely any editor worth his salt would have checked the facts in the column prior to printing.

    Probably fortunate that Bob wasn’t feeling particularly litigious on the given day

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  22. BeaB (2,125 comments) says:

    Kh thanks for the lecture which misses the point. I would hate older people to feel they have to justify taking Super. Why should they have to? It is not a benefit.

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  23. KH (695 comments) says:

    ……. BeaB.
    apologies for the lecture. But if you look again the point was not about super. Not mentioned actually. The point was that something being legal does not make it acceptable behaviour. That applies to many things.
    As for super not being a benefit. Rubbish. Of course it’s a ‘benefit’ Its got it’s own name and rules to make it different and is targeted. But that’s what the different benefits all have.
    We pay Government. Government distributes. Somebody collects. It’s a benefit for sure.
    And maybe being 65 is a good criteria. Thats your view and fair enough.
    But it’s a view we are debating. We need to do that.

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  24. BlairM (2,341 comments) says:

    More confirmation that Bob Jones is a god and that we should just cut out the crap and make him Dictator of New Zealand. Can’t be worse than what we have now…

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  25. BlairM (2,341 comments) says:

    Oh, and these dumb fucks who aren’t smart enough to take money the government is stupid enough to dole out? Do you pay taxes? Well if you paid taxes all your life you should get what you pay for. That’s all there is to it. There is no moral high ground in refusing to take what the government says they owe you. If you are going to do that, then I’d like to see you refuse to pay your taxes as well, and then go to prison for doing so. Otherwise you are not being morally consistent. If you think taxes are morally wrong and that you won’t accept tax money, then you should believe paying taxes is morally wrong and refuse to do it. What? You don’t do that?! Then you are really stupid – you are dutifully paying the tax, but taking a moral stance of not claiming it back!!! That is just dumb!!!

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  26. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    MT_Tinman said:

    I’m utterly amazed!

    Not that Sir Robert has refused the Super payment but that he e-mailed you, in fact that he e-mailed anyone.

    ——————–

    That was my first thought too.

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  27. Tauhei Notts (1,724 comments) says:

    Sir Robert Jones headed the New Zealand Party in 1984.
    The part of that party’s policy that attracted me was no expenditure on defence, except for fisheries protection.
    Can anybody tell me how much our country has wasted on defence since 1984?
    Also; Consumption Tax – got it.
    Float the dollar – got it.
    Lower the top tax rate from that ruinous 66% – got it.
    He really was a man ahead of his time.

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  28. Gulag1917 (930 comments) says:

    There will be others that dont take the super Sir Bob might be assuming too much if he believes he is tbe only one.

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  29. SPC (5,643 comments) says:

    Well floating the dollar did enable foreign borrowing to inflate property values in New Zealand …

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  30. Cactus Kate (551 comments) says:

    Surely he had his secretary type the email as he dictated it?
    I am far more surprised that the email was so polite.

    For the grave error you made David many a man or woman has copped a total flogging.

    Sir Robert must be getting soft in his old age.

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